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Poll: Americans More Supportive of Arms Supplies to Ukraine, Including Tomahawk Missiles

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Poll: Americans More Supportive of Arms Supplies to Ukraine, Including Tomahawk Missiles

Despite the official position of the US government to reduce aid, more and more Americans are in favor of supplying weapons to Ukraine.

This is reported by the New York Post.

According to a new poll by the Ronald Reagan Foundation & Institute, cited by the publication, 64% of respondents were in favor of providing lethal assistance to Ukraine, which is 9 percentage points more than last year and the highest since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion.

Support among Republicans increased to 59%, and among Democrats – to 75%.

The majority of Americans also support expanded military assistance to Ukraine. In particular, 65% approve of the transfer of long-range cruise missiles, such as the Tomahawk. 68% support the sale of U.S. weapons to European allies for further transfer to Ukraine.

The launch of a Tomahawk missile. Source: US NavyThe launch of a Tomahawk missile. Source: US Navy

In addition, 69% support the provision of NATO-style security guarantees to Ukraine, and 74% support the creation of a demilitarized zone under the control of European forces with US air support.

As for the goals of the war, 45% of Americans believe that Ukraine should fully restore its territorial integrity.

The authors of the study note that these results indicate a strengthening bipartisan consensus in the United States in support of Ukraine, as well as overwhelming public support for the strategy of military assistance, European solidarity, and deterrence of Russian aggression.

The survey involved more than 2,500 Americans who answered questions by phone and online between October 23 and November 3. The statistical error of the survey is ±1.96 percentage points.

HIMARS MLRS during an exercise. Photo credits: US ArmyHIMARS MLRS during an exercise. Photo credits: US Army

In late November, the White House warned Ukraine about the possible termination of arms and intelligence supplies if the Ukrainian leadership did not agree to the 28-point peace plan proposed by the United States.

This document was prepared by US Special Envoy Steve Witkoff with the participation of Russian Presidential Envoy Kirill Dmitriev.

The plan, among other things, provides for the transfer of Crimea and parts of Donbas to Russian control, a reduction in the size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, refusal to join NATO, and a ban on the deployment of foreign troops in the country.

The President of Ukraine expressed his readiness to discuss the document, while emphasizing “the fundamental principles that are important for the people of Ukraine.”

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Archer83Able is such a nice retro handle Able Archer 83 - Wikipedia

 

Footage showing the process of a FAB-500 aerial bomb being turned into a guided munition by the Russians. The bomb is pulled from storage on a forklift. Then, Russian servicemen attach the elements of the UMPK guidance kit to it and install it under the wing of a Sukhoi Su-34 bomber. After that, the Su-34 takes off for a combat task.

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5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

This is the kind of stuff that happens in war these days - innovation at a rapid pace.

 

Despite things like Lucas electrical and Armstrong-Whitworth threads, the Brits are really good engineers.

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Ivan goes SPLAT

https://united24media.com/latest-news/su-34su-24-crew-reportedly-killed-after-ground-ejection-system-failure-14085

An incident occurred at a Russian bomber aviation regiment when the ejection system activated onboard an aircraft parked inside its shelter, according to reports from a pro-Russian military blogger affiliated with the Russian Air Forces Fighterbomber on December 8.

The malfunction reportedly triggered an ejection while the jet was on the ground and static, resulting in the deaths of both the pilot and navigator, who sustained injuries described as “incompatible with life.”

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32 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

So exactly what leverage does Trump think the United States has to compel Ukraine to accept its (or any) peace deal?  If Ukraine is able to keep up the fight without American aid, why wouldn't it do so?

That's doubly true as Ukrainian sovereignty becomes every more important to Europe as it rapidly realizes that it can't trust the United States to protect it.

Basically, all Trump has done is render the United States irrelevant.

Pull targeting intel sharing.

Put restrictions on our allies' use of our weapon.

Flip the off switches in the F16's, ATAACM's, etc we have given them.

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9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

This is the kind of stuff that happens in war these days - innovation at a rapid pace.

 

 Effective and low cost is just what the doctor ordered.  

Let NATO take a bunch of seized Oligarch money and give it to Britain to make 100 of those.  

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5 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I really wish our American weapons manufacturers were deep into this.  Standing on the sidelines because...you know.

Well, they were before tfg changed his mind and cut off the money spigot.  

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15 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Weird they're posting old shit.

The one I posted was so damn tiny I couldn’t read it until it posted.

Corrected

But to your point, it may be the order implementing that which was already available as an option once Putin ran out of meat?

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Somebody about to walk out of a window.

"We have growth everywhere, all of December — growth across all sectors. But not positive growth, negative growth." - Samara governor Fedorishchev carefully and thoroughly described the situation on the Russian market. He says it’s due to certain "economic phenomena." Oh? And what kind of phenomena would those be?

 

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8 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

Weird they're posting old shit.

8 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

The one I posted was so damn tiny I couldn’t read it until it posted.

Corrected

But to your point, it may be the order implementing that which was already available as an option once Putin ran out of meat?

We don’t hear anymore about emptying out prisons, and countries in Africa and Asia are working to stop them tricking people to come to Russia, and we don’t see PMCs heavily represented. We do hear that people picked up for crimes in the large cities are conscripted.  They are trying to avoid formal conscription in the large cities, but the outer villages maybe tapped out.

We do see a lot of Russian soldiers who are just broken down people, and they don’t have proper gear.

Here’s a title more clarity on it (maybe)

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7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

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So they are stripping the national guard and civil defense and emergency workers all over Russia to become meat in the front lines.

Which means once Russia has no electricity or heat in their homes this winter due to Ukrainian drone and missile strikes, there will be nobody around to assist their freezing citizens.

Brilliant!

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22 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

So they are stripping the national guard and civil defense and emergency workers all over Russia to become meat in the front lines.

Which means once Russia has no electricity or heat in their homes this winter due to Ukrainian drone and missile strikes, there will be nobody around to assist their freezing citizens.

Brilliant!

Actually I read it to conscript civilians into the national guard, civil defense, emergency, etc.  I'm wondering if a bunch of these will be sent to oil & gas refineries and other critical infrastructure with machine guns on pickup trucks to shoot down drones and missiles.

I may have read that wrong, but it makes more sense to take the reserves and mobilize them to fill out the national guard, civil defense, etc. because obviously they are going to need them as things continue to go downhill, and they will be happy that they are staying in Russia and not being sent to Ukraine so they might be more willing to put down their fellow citizens.

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16 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Actually I read it to conscript civilians into the national guard, civil defense, emergency, etc.  I'm wondering if a bunch of these will be sent to oil & gas refineries and other critical infrastructure with machine guns on pickup trucks to shoot down drones and missiles.

I may have read that wrong, but it makes more sense to take the reserves and mobilize them to fill out the national guard, civil defense, etc. because obviously they are going to need them as things continue to go downhill, and they will be happy that they are staying in Russia and not being sent to Ukraine so they might be more willing to put down their fellow citizens.

Probably a better take.  I guess it’s just my cynicism that tells me that if they are conscripting people to “undergo military training”, they are on their way to the front.

it just seems unlikely to me that anyone who they purport to send for military training is gonna wind up in Siberia to help out with local emergencies.  I could be wrong.  The verbiage does track your interpretation.   But I also think there might be less opposition to conscription if people think there is a chance that they won’t wind up in the front lines.   But since everything they say is usually a lie designed to get troops into the meat grinder, I’m suspicious that they’re telling the truth on this one.

Here’s the other thing I may be wrong on: I thought that Putin had previously gutted all of those agencies and sent most of those people to the front already.   If they did realize they still need some help at home, then maybe they are replacing bodies already taken to the front with new conscripts.   

As is apparent, I have zero expertise in this.    But I would not want to be a Russian who is about to have successfully completed military training right now.

 

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Donbas Cowboy, Dumbass Cowboy…same-same.   

i’d love to see this mentioned in a press conference.   Who knows what will switch the pipeline to “on” again.

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From Google:

 

Poland previously operated around 28-30 MiG-29s, many acquired from Germany, but has been steadily transferring them to Ukraine since 2023 to help with its defense, with the remaining jets being phased out and replaced by F-35s and FA-50s, so they likely own a very small number now, possibly a dozen or fewer in service. The total number has dwindled as they were given away or retired, leaving them with a small, aging fleet that's nearing the end of its operational life, notes RFE/RL, The War Zone, and The Guardian. Initial Fleet: Poland had roughly 28-30 MiG-29s, including some from East Germany acquired cheaply.

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6 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Here’s the other thing I may be wrong on: I thought that Putin had previously gutted all of those agencies and sent most of those people to the front already.   If they did realize they still need some help at home, then maybe they are replacing bodies already taken to the front with new conscripts.   

Actually, I think you are right, and this is probably what it is.  He did gut a lot of those agencies and send them to the front fairly early on - there were police officers, firefighters, national guard units, etc. that were a part of what would probably be some kind of surge, and they were complaining about it. I recall the OSINT people pinpointing the actual units (like a highway enforcement unit, etc.) and talking about how crazy it was that these people were in Ukraine (I don't think they were necessarily front-line fighters).  We were seeing patches, etc.  It has to have been a year or two ago though, because this year, it seems that all we see are just large numbers of soldiers that are ill-equipped and worn down.

When Prigozhin made his little move on Moscow, there weren't a lot of national guard units available to block him, because they had been gutted, which is why we saw your typical city cops digging holes and positioning machine guns.

If you are in the reserves and they call you up for one of these units, you would definitely take that versus going to Ukraine, and Putin needs them because:

4 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

They also want to have tight control over the groups of people most likely to revolt, and to be able to use them to instead supress any revolt when their economy inevitably collapses. 

They probably didn't need a lot of those jobs at home prior to this year (don't need as much law enforcement if you send criminals to the front) and the "national guard" units are about protecting the government and infrastructure, not protecting Russia the nation, and so they didn't need to backfill them. Things are now reaching a critical mass where the Ukrainians are probably close to the kinds of strikes that can leave parts of the country without power and fuel for longer periods of time - Russia only has so many replacement parts for those refineries and power plants and can only patch together so many systems.

And if air defenses continue to be worn down as Ukrainian production ramps up, they are going to need dudes in pickups with machine guns.

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3 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

They're no good for Poland, but good enough for Ukraine?

Ukraine has a lot more spare parts and a more of them in service. They've been getting parts and aircraft from the other former Soviet bloc/Warsaw Pact nations.

It's like us with F-16s - they are still fine for a lot of things, but we have F-35s in production.  Like @Bevo said they didn't have a lot to begin with, might as well give them away where they can help.

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3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Actually, I think you are right, and this is probably what it is.  He did gut a lot of those agencies and send them to the front fairly early on - there were police officers, firefighters, national guard units, etc. that were a part of what would probably be some kind of surge, and they were complaining about it. I recall the OSINT people pinpointing the actual units (like a highway enforcement unit, etc.) and talking about how crazy it was that these people were in Ukraine (I don't think they were necessarily front-line fighters).  We were seeing patches, etc.  It has to have been a year or two ago though, because this year, it seems that all we see are just large numbers of soldiers that are ill-equipped and worn down.

When Prigozhin made his little move on Moscow, there weren't a lot of national guard units available to block him, because they had been gutted, which is why we saw your typical city cops digging holes and positioning machine guns.

If you are in the reserves and they call you up for one of these units, you would definitely take that versus going to Ukraine

And, I guess, two seemingly disparate things could both be true.  Putin gets to fill positions that he previously gutted, and once they are in those positions, he can always send them to Ukraine again if he thinks he needs them.  Given the economy tanking and all the layoffs, I’d imagine there are many desperate men looking for work who are willing to sign up for those jobs.   Russia doesn’t seem to care much about honoring contract terms once they’re signed, but it very much needs people to sign more contracts.

Two birds, so to speak. 

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4 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

And, I guess, two seemingly disparate things could both be true.  Putin gets to fill positions that he previously gutted, and once they are in those positions, he can always send them to Ukraine again if he thinks he needs them.  Given the economy tanking and all the layoffs, I’d imagine there are many desperate men looking for work who are willing to sign up for those jobs.   Russia doesn’t seem to care much about honoring contract terms once they’re signed, but it very much needs people to sign more contracts.

Two birds, so to speak. 

Yeah, could go either way, but at some point we will see shit starting to go down in Russia. Ukraine continues to hit their infrastructure, and they continue to be lacking in air defenses.  They are going to need dudes with machine guns guarding a lot more places and/or ready to put down the people.

And they are ready to go to Ukraine.  He's already broken plenty of promises.  He still seems to be trying to hold back from drafting tens of thousands out of Moscow and St. Petersburg directly.

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80s Me if I knew Ukrainians would be using F-16s to kill Russians: confused GIF

 

Germany continues to build up, buying European-made weapons. I'd be willing to bet a lot more weapons purchases by NATO going forward will be European or Korean and not American.

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@PTINS we haven't forgotten you. Ukraine seems to be able to take facilities offline for longer periods of time, or facilities are burning for longer periods, and/or Russia is running out of parts.

Russia's Syzran oil refinery halted by December 5 drone attack, sources say | Reuters

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The Ukrainian SBU reports that the Temryuk LNG port in Russia, Krasnodar region, suffered substantial damage. The fire, which was caused by a drone strike on December 5, raged for around 3 days and destroyed 20 out of 30 fuel tanks. In addition, the drones destroyed railway tanks, an intermediate filling tank and a rainwater overflow station

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