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I just bought the ELAC Miracord 50 and a few albums to get started on the Vinyl hobby.  So far I have been trying to choose albums that play through without any bogus annoying songs.  So far I have Jimmy Buffet's Songs you know by Heart, The Best of the Eagles 2 disc, my buddy bought me Daft Punk Random Access Memories.

 

So, a few years ago I decided to decorate part of my office with cool record covers.  I had the covers and records framed and hung on the wall over my tv.  Last night I pulled out the discs and rehung the frame.  I have nice sleeves for the discs, but I don't know how to store them without the cardboard album covers.  I looked but I can only find more sleeves.  Any recommendation for how to store these loose discs?

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Let’s bring this back since we are in quarantineland.

Busted out the UD One Step version of Texas Flood tonight.

Y’all got anything cool recently?

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From the thrift store. Kinda cool. Signed on the back by Leon and some other band members.


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On 3/20/2020 at 8:48 PM, Anton Chigurh said:

Let’s bring this back since we are in quarantineland.

Busted out the UD One Step version of Texas Flood tonight.

Y’all got anything cool recently?

Stuck working from home, so listening/transferring a bunch of LPs over to digital, helps pass the time.  I'll update as I go along.

Today, a bunch of my parents' country LPs, that Johnny Paycheck is really damn good. (The Roadhog Moran LP is mine, picked it up at Goodwill for fifty cents a few years ago...)

 

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Good thread to read.  Getting back into this after a few years of neglecting the vinyl I had.  New Rega Planar 1 came in today (fit my budget better than others).  Can't wait to hook it up later and start enjoying things.  Spent some time cleaning records with the spin-disc on Saturday, while adding to Discogs at the same time (using the VinylBox app). 

This thread has taught me about Mofi, but maybe with my beginner level bookshelf setup I can get away with CheapFi....

Anyway, thanks to all who made this one fun (and educational) to read.

 

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I'm obviously not an audiophile, but sure was nice to hear things on vinyl again.  "Paul's Boutique" is just a different experience altogether.  I definitely missed it.

 

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I picked up The Outlaws and Red Headed Stranger recently but haven't played them yet.  Maybe today is a good day for that.

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Good thread to read.  Getting back into this after a few years of neglecting the vinyl I had.  New Rega Planar 1 came in today (fit my budget better than others).  Can't wait to hook it up later and start enjoying things.  Spent some time cleaning records with the spin-disc on Saturday, while adding to Discogs at the same time (using the VinylBox app). 
This thread has taught me about Mofi, but maybe with my beginner level bookshelf setup I can get away with CheapFi....
Anyway, thanks to all who made this one fun (and educational) to read.
 

Found one of the original Planer 3 at an estate sale last year. 75 bucks. Still a nice unit.


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Good thread to read.  Getting back into this after a few years of neglecting the vinyl I had.  New Rega Planar 1 came in today (fit my budget better than others).  Can't wait to hook it up later and start enjoying things.  Spent some time cleaning records with the spin-disc on Saturday, while adding to Discogs at the same time (using the VinylBox app). 

This thread has taught me about Mofi, but maybe with my beginner level bookshelf setup I can get away with CheapFi....

Anyway, thanks to all who made this one fun (and educational) to read.

 

Found one of the original Planer 3 at an estate sale last year. 75 bucks. Still a nice unit.

 

 

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Sorry for a stupid question, but is there a good site for reading about different pressings?  Discogs just seems to list them all en masse, which for me is a bit confusing to read.  Wikpedia sometimes has things on them, but just wondering what some of you use to know that something is a good pressing or not.

 

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15 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Sorry for a stupid question, but is there a good site for reading about different pressings?  Discogs just seems to list them all en masse, which for me is a bit confusing to read.  Wikpedia sometimes has things on them, but just wondering what some of you use to know that something is a good pressing or not.

 

Steve Hoffman . net is a good site for that kind of info.  But that's a rabbit hole I try not to go down.  I'll check for reissues that are expensive, especially 'remasters', but I'm content to buy cheap old records and not worry about the minutiae of various pressings for all but a few records.

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Yep, Steve Hoffman.

 

Google “best pressing of XX record Steve Hoffman” and you will get some good results.

 

You can ask here too; I am pretty knowledgeable as well as a lot of the other posters.

 

Rules of thumb:

 

Get as close to the first pressing as possible if you want an original.

 

Always try and get something mastered from the original analog tapes using analog equipment. This is considered a AAA recording.

 

Most MoFi/MFSL (Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab) releases are great, especially the later ones from the 2000s and up where pretty much all of them are.

 

For jazz, the Blue Note 80 series and Tone Poet series are well liked. Music Matters makes incredible quality stuff (I have two SRX releases on the way from them). Most 70s reissue Blue Note is good (lots made from original 50s/60s stampers). OJC reissues from the 70s and 80s give solid quality most of the time. Nothing beats an original RVG mastering for me, but those are expensive to find in good shape.

 

Analogue Productions makes very solid stuff, too. Music on Vinyl (MOV) is usually good.

 

Avoid Wax Time, DOL, DOXY, and Jazz Time. These are poorly made and mastered euro releases that are essentially bootlegs, since their copyright laws are much more lax.

 

If you see that something was pressed at Pallas (Germany), RTI, or QRP, it should be solid.

 

The Vinyl Me, Please Record club does cool stuff and their releases are usually top quality (their main reissue lines are usually AAA if possible and they typically use the good record plants mentioned above).

 

With older original records we can get into a wormhole on records plants and pressing/mastering qualities, but in my experience, the stuff made at the Presswell, Monarch, Terre Haute (was owned by Columbia), AllDisc, and Santa Maria plants was usually solid. Others were hit or miss. I am forgetting a lot of them and that is only my own anecdotal evidence, though.

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i take the complete opposite approach. buy what you want, you won't be able to tell the difference in 99% of the pressings you find...or you could fool yourself into thinking you do and waste a lot of time. 

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Any recs on a receiver or preamp/amp combo in the $200 range? 

Current setup is Pro-Ject Debut III, Jamo speakers and Sherwood receiver. Sherwood is fine, but i want more tone control.

Can't wait to get back to crate digging again, someday. 

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On 6/25/2020 at 9:36 AM, stc said:

i take the complete opposite approach. buy what you want, you won't be able to tell the difference in 99% of the pressings you find...or you could fool yourself into thinking you do and waste a lot of time. 

I lean towards this. The only ones I research are the whole remastered, 180 gram pressings since some (not all) of that is bullshit and not worth the cost compared to a cheap, used original pressing. 

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So, I asked my question about pressings *after* I had purchased a few.  Bought a "six eye" of Dave Brubek's "Time Out" and definitely over paid.  Too much snap, crackle, and pop for me.  My Dad's original (?--not sure, but he probably just bought it at a Marine Corps base in Japan during Vietnam) copy of "Time Further Out" sounds better.  Wondering if I should have just got the newer 180g pressing they had for 25 bucks.  Oh well.  

Fun times, I pulled out Dad's "America" album and my son, who has to my knowledge never heard them before was humming "Horse with No Name" for the rest of the day.

ZZ Top's "Tres Hombres" 180g pressing sounded good to my ears, but not particularly full of "depth," if that makes sense.

"Beggars Banquet" 180g  (?) sounded great.  Like, fantastic.  

Anyway, that's my blog for today. Oh, I also signed up for VinylMePlease and went with the 'classics' track starting with an Errol Garner album.  

I'm looking to get some Zep for the son, and some Taylor Swift to keep the daughter engaged.  So opinions on if these are good/bad solely in terms of the quality (no debates on Ms Swift, please) would be helpful to me:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IXHBMLS/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

https://smile.amazon.com/Led-Zeppelin-Remastered-Original-Vinyl/dp/B00IXHC0QY/ref=pd_sbs_15_2/142-2026225-4666013?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00IXHC0QY&pd_rd_r=4a0fb25a-151f-4f9d-81f7-6eac8b4b8527&pd_rd_w=T1two&pd_rd_wg=QG8r4&pf_rd_p=d28ef93e-22cf-4527-b60a-90c984b5663d&pf_rd_r=1AW8W683ZTXTJF7XG9JP&psc=1&refRID=1AW8W683ZTXTJF7XG9JP

 

https://smile.amazon.com/Lover-VINYL-Taylor-Swift/dp/B07YMFX3DZ/ref=tmm_vnl_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

 

Thanks in advance.

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The John Davis Zep remasters are supposed to be decent.

Not sure on the T Swift, but one guy mentioned some non-fill issues with his copies (when the vinyl doesn’t fully flow and fill the groove of the stamper completely when pressed), so it seems hit or miss there.

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2 hours ago, Anton Chigurh said:

The John Davis Zep remasters are supposed to be decent.

Not sure on the T Swift, but one guy mentioned some non-fill issues with his copies (when the vinyl doesn’t fully flow and fill the groove of the stamper completely when pressed), so it seems hit or miss there.

As far as Taylor goes, my daughter has had no issues with the Target version of Lover. 1989 plays well. Reputation picture disc is iffy.

That's way too much T Swift info for a grown man to know. 

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On 6/28/2020 at 2:56 PM, destroya said:

I lean towards this. The only ones I research are the whole remastered, 180 gram pressings since some (not all) of that is bullshit and not worth the cost compared to a cheap, used original pressing. 

I agree. I have a $10, 60 year old copy of Marty Robbins Gunfighter Ballards and the sound is so deep and rich. 

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46 minutes ago, RiverwalkMiner said:

I agree. I have a $10, 60 year old copy of Marty Robbins Gunfighter Ballards and the sound is so deep and rich. 

Holy crap, I have the same record!  Another hand me down from the folks.

And yeah, Taylor Swift is one of the few pop stars my young one likes that well, I mean sometimes I hum along as well.  

One more ask of the Anton/the group, if I can (sorry if I'm bumping for no good reason):  Beatles vinyl recommendations or at least what to avoid?  I have an old beat up copy of "Hard Day's night" and unfortunately it sounds awful.

 

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On 6/25/2020 at 9:36 AM, stc said:

i take the complete opposite approach. buy what you want, you won't be able to tell the difference in 99% of the pressings you find...or you could fool yourself into thinking you do and waste a lot of time. 

I mean, it really depends on your equipment.

If you have a $50 turntable and a $100 receiver then, yeah.... more than likely you won't be able to tell much difference.  That's not to say there is a direct 1:1 correlation on price to quality, but just pointing out that the more quality components you have the more likely a high-quality pressing will be noticeable, even to non-audiophiles.

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audiophiles love to find ways to justify spending money. nothing is ever good enough be it the pressing, cartridge, cables...whatever. there's absolutely no shame in picking up a $8 used copy of led zeppelin III and being perfectly happy with it. could you find a supposedly superior pressing out there and spend $50 on it? Sure. Have you gotten 42 more dollars of enjoyment out of it? Probably not, but that's for you to decide. There are audiophiles, collectors, and people who just enjoy the music for what it is. when I got into vinyl many years ago I thought I had to be all 3, over time I've learned that it really doesn't matter.  

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audiophiles love to find ways to justify spending money. nothing is ever good enough be it the pressing, cartridge, cables...whatever. there's absolutely no shame in picking up a $8 used copy of led zeppelin III and being perfectly happy with it. could you find a supposedly superior pressing out there and spend $50 on it? Sure. Have you gotten 42 more dollars of enjoyment out of it? Probably not, but that's for you to decide. There are audiophiles, collectors, and people who just enjoy the music for what it is. when I got into vinyl many years ago I thought I had to be all 3, over time I've learned that it really doesn't matter.  

I agree with all of that. It just depends how nerdy and deep you want to go with it, like any other hobby.

My issue (and Jeff’s it sounds like) was with the implication that differences in gear and pressing quality don’t actually sound any different, which is super false. It just depends what you’re after. There are definitely diminishing returns the higher you go, and I am not even all that high on the scale.

I’ve got plenty of beat up stuff that I listen to. I only really chase the high end or rare stuff for certain items or artists.

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On 7/1/2020 at 11:47 AM, Anton Chigurh said:


I agree with all of that. It just depends how nerdy and deep you want to go with it, like any other hobby.

My issue (and Jeff’s it sounds like) was with the implication that differences in gear and pressing quality don’t actually sound any different, which is super false. It just depends what you’re after. There are definitely diminishing returns the higher you go, and I am not even all that high on the scale.

I’ve got plenty of beat up stuff that I listen to. I only really chase the high end or rare stuff for certain items or artists.

Yeah agreed with this.

I have what I would consider "decent" gear, but certainly not high-end, audiophile stuff.  I have a nice Yamaha receiver, a Pro-Ject Debut III (with upgraded cartridge to Ortofon red) and decent Infinity tower speakers.... and I feel like I can tell the difference in high-quality pressings using the original analog source material vs., say cheap-o pressings using the digital master from CDs or whatever, but certainly probably not subtle differences between first pressing and fifth pressing or whatever. 

As it were, my focus is just getting stuff on vinyl that I want to hear and not being super fussy about whether or not it's the "best" pressing. I do tend to check Steve Hoffman to make sure certain catalog titles that are re-released from the 90s-early 00s aren't just cheap presses of the digital CD master, because that seems to be the era of music where that is pretty widespread.

I think my biggest splurge on vinyl so far was to buy a factory sealed Anodyne by Uncle Tupelo for $100 or so. But that was just because I wanted to listen to that record on vinyl. :) 

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Got my first VMP in this week.  Been listening to it every night so far.  You guys may have introduced me to an expensive rabbit hole.  Now have a few on order from VMP, Acoustic Sounds, ebay, e.t.c.

Sure like the way they package these things.

 

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