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12 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

I guess I’m looking at losses at major RB recruits, losses at OL\DL. Leitao hasn’t shown anything to date (hope he does). 

I’m just saying Texas isn’t at what I would call “back” level yet. Also I think the Texas staff has a lot of “minus” recruiters to make up for. Also losing to WVU,OSU lots of 4th qtr collapses isn’t “back”

moving in right direction I just think people are potentially over-stating where Texas is today. 

Not sure what you've been reading. I haven't see too many people pounding their chests about where we are and that we're going to win the NC in 2019.

I'd say we are a solid top 15 team right now, with an opportunity to become a solid top 10 or even top 5 team this year. Our recruiting has been good but still with room to improve moving forward. Our toughness has greatly increased since the boys whimpered off the field in Lawrence in 2016.

Where we are reminds me of maybe 2002 under Mack. We've moved ourselves into the neighborhood again, now it's time to take the next step. I wouldn't go so far as to say "We're back!," but it's nice to have a QB who is a leader of men and who has confidence in himself and his teammates. That's the culture that Herman has been trying to build, and it seems like a pretty strong foundation to me.

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1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:

Not sure what you've been reading. I haven't see too many people pounding their chests about where we are and that we're going to win the NC in 2019.

I'd say we are a solid top 15 team right now, with an opportunity to become a solid top 10 or even top 5 team this year. Our recruiting has been good but still with room to improve moving forward. Our toughness has greatly increased since the boys whimpered off the field in Lawrence in 2016.

Where we are reminds me of maybe 2002 under Mack. We've moved ourselves into the neighborhood again, now it's time to take the next step. I wouldn't go so far as to say "We're back!," but it's nice to have a QB who is a leader of men and who has confidence in himself and his teammates. That's the culture that Herman has been trying to build, and it seems like a pretty strong foundation to me.

We are in violent agreement that there’s a solid foundation and that team is moving in right direction. Get to 10+ wins 2 yrs in a row, best LSU and OU this upcoming season and win NY6 bowl I think team can say they’re back. 

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I think it boils down to semantics.  If being "back" means relevant nationally, Texas is probably there now.  If it means consistently elite, this year was borderline so a couple more NY6 bowl wins or a CFP invite would be needed before you can state that confidently.

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Bama up to 7 Early Entries to 2019 NFL Draft:

DL    Quinnen Williams

OL.    Jonah Williams

RB.     Josh Jacobs

TE.      Irv Smith Jr

DB.      Savion Smith

S.         Deionte Thompson

LB.       Mack Wilson

 

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Tim Prister, senior editor of Irish Illustrated, reported yesterday Chip Long will not be going to Alabama.

 

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Sure seems like Saban is a SOB to work for....

Hope it finally catches up to him and.....

BAMA & SEC BOTH SUCK

 

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10 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Sure seems like Saban is a SOB to work for....

Hope it finally catches up to him and.....

BAMA & SEC BOTH SUCK

Saban sucks as a human being.  He's one hell of a coach.  But he's having to expend a lot of energy replacing his whole staff every year now.

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18 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

Saban sucks as a human being.  He's one hell of a coach.  But he's having to expend a lot of energy replacing his whole staff every year now.

This quote is correct in both sentences 1 & 2...

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https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/1/17/18187685/dan-enos-nick-saban-alabama

 

“Where the F#$% is Dan?!?”

"Several of the staffers knew the answer to their boss’ question. Word had already spread that 50-year-old Enos was headed to Miami to become offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach under Manny Diaz. No one in the room wanted to be the one to break that news to Saban, even though Miami was primed to announce it in a couple hours."

"One staffer scrambled to check if Enos was in his office. It was empty, save for a pencil on the desk. Maybe he’d already moved into Locksley’s old office, but that one was empty, too."

“He moved out like the Colts,” said one person with knowledge of the matter, equating Enos’ departure to the middle-of-the-night exit by the old Baltimore NFL franchise to Indianapolis.

"For his part, Saban will have to return to the coaching market and start swiping right. A good match is hard to find, but here’s to him finding the right fit for his personality."

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the Bama empire is crumbling.  Will they get 15 people drafted? Hard to replace THAT level of talent no matter how well you recruit.  If Tua gets hurt, no Hurts, then what? Could they lose 2 or 3 games and miss the playoffs?

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4 minutes ago, NowThis said:

the Bama empire is crumbling.  Will they get 15 people drafted? Hard to replace THAT level of talent no matter how well you recruit.  If Tua gets hurt, no Hurts, then what? Could they lose 2 or 3 games and miss the playoffs?

All hail, King Dabo!

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11 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

I've always respected what Nick has been able to accomplish; but this couldn't have happened to a "nicer" guy.

If Enos ghosted after the bowl that isn't nearly as bad as Nick leaving MSU before the bowl game in his 1 good year in East Lansing.

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2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

"For his part, Saban will have to return to the coaching market and start swiping right. A good match is hard to find, but here’s to him finding the right fit for his personality."

The biggest obstacle for Saban to find "the right fit for his personality." is the 14th Amendment.

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Funny thing about this.... it's surprising Saban wasn't sitting in his control room monitoring video of Enos while he was cleaning out his desk.

You know Nick, and all his attention to detail and "The Process".  

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We stepped back onto the stage of national importance this year. We won the Sugar Bowl in generally dominating fashion and finished ranked in the top 10. We had 4 losses. When Saban has two years in a row of not being the national champion and racks up 3 total losses in those two years, his empire might be crumbling. Talented and motivated coaches who desire a chance to show their stuff on the big stage will always be out there, and he has the money to hire a new batch every year. When he no longer has the drive to push himself and another staff for perfection, his empire will crumble. I have not seen too much evidence that we are nearing that point.

 

edit: FWIW I double checked, and the last time Saban had such a stretch was in 2013-2014, during which span he lost 1 regular season game, one CCG, and 2 bowls.

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2 hours ago, NowThis said:

the Bama empire is crumbling.  Will they get 15 people drafted? Hard to replace THAT level of talent no matter how well you recruit.  If Tua gets hurt, no Hurts, then what? Could they lose 2 or 3 games and miss the playoffs?

Impossible. 

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10 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

We stepped back onto the stage of national importance this year. We won the Sugar Bowl in generally dominating fashion and finished ranked in the top 10. We had 4 losses. When Saban has two years in a row of not being the national champion and racks up 3 total losses in those two years, his empire might be crumbling. Talented and motivated coaches who desire a chance to show their stuff on the big stage will always be out there, and he has the money to hire a new batch every year. When he no longer has the drive to push himself and another staff for perfection, his empire will crumble. I have not seen too much evidence that we are nearing that point.

 

edit: FWIW I double checked, and the last time Saban had such a stretch was in 2013-2014, during which span he lost 1 regular season game, one CCG, and 2 bowls.

Those were dark times for Bama fans.

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10 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

We stepped back onto the stage of national importance this year. We won the Sugar Bowl in generally dominating fashion and finished ranked in the top 10. We had 4 losses. When Saban has two years in a row of not being the national champion and racks up 3 total losses in those two years, his empire might be crumbling. Talented and motivated coaches who desire a chance to show their stuff on the big stage will always be out there, and he has the money to hire a new batch every year. When he no longer has the drive to push himself and another staff for perfection, his empire will crumble. I have not seen too much evidence that we are nearing that point.

 

edit: FWIW I double checked, and the last time Saban had such a stretch was in 2013-2014, during which span he lost 1 regular season game, one CCG, and 2 bowls.

Adapt or Die.....

Yeah I remember when typewriters, cassette tapes, and yellow pages were useful.  Saban better adjust some of his tactics on how he is managing his assistants and players.... or the crumbling of Saban's Bama Empire will occur.

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1 hour ago, Magus Ossis said:

We stepped back onto the stage of national importance this year. We won the Sugar Bowl in generally dominating fashion and finished ranked in the top 10. We had 4 losses. When Saban has two years in a row of not being the national champion and racks up 3 total losses in those two years, his empire might be crumbling. Talented and motivated coaches who desire a chance to show their stuff on the big stage will always be out there, and he has the money to hire a new batch every year. When he no longer has the drive to push himself and another staff for perfection, his empire will crumble. I have not seen too much evidence that we are nearing that point.

 

edit: FWIW I double checked, and the last time Saban had such a stretch was in 2013-2014, during which span he lost 1 regular season game, one CCG, and 2 bowls.

These are not the droids you're looking for ..

One can choose to look at the mounting evidence and make an unbiased call, or they can say, Everything's fine nothing to see here.

The option is theirs. I've noticed however none of the "everything is fine" group is interested in taking me up on my wager. Very odd.

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13 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

These are not the droids you're looking for ..

One can choose to look at the mounting evidence and make an unbiased call, or they can say, Everything's fine nothing to see here.

The option is theirs. I've noticed however none of the "everything is fine" group is interested in taking me up on my wager. Very odd.

Well, I am obviously a Longhorn, not a Bammer. And there is certainly evidence that coaches don't like working for Saban. And there is at least one data point in 2018 Clemson that coaching continuity is associated with winning the FBS CFP championship (and more than once, looking back 2 years). A scientist will tell you, however, that trendlines are generally more important and informative than outlying data points.

6 2 0 3 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1. There is one data set for you. That is Saban's losses by year since taking over at Bama. If you graph it, depending on what type of equation you use as your fit, you are likely to get something like a damped oscillation reaching equilibrium at 1 loss or a decay toward one loss. It is not an upward trend at all.

0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0. There is another set. That is Saban's number of national championships per year. It looks a lot like emissions from a source that has an irregular frequency of circa 1/3 or 1/2. The last datum happens to be a zero, but other than that, it is not particularly trending toward zero. In fact, if the bowl game outcomes in 2014 and 2015 were flipped, it would be a perfect alternation of winning every other championship, starting with the game against us.

Saban has been a hard, and for many unenjoyable, man for whom to work going way back, at least to when Major was on his staff, because it was a deal on the Shag at the time. It could certainly bite him, as ceteris paribus, staff stability and congeniality foster success. But history seems to say that it is not the Bama fans who are exercising wishful thinking at the expense of reaching the most likely solution here, but rather those who hope/think Saban is sinking or sunk. I can't predict the future, but I would certainly not bet against Bama's being in the playoffs and a threat to win them any time soon.

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I'll believe Bama is in trouble when they aren't ranked #1 or #2 in the preseason.
I don't think 2019 is the year that I'm going to see that.

Maybe if Saban isn't the coach anymore - health concern, boating accident, he wakes up and realizes what a miserable fuck he is....

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1 minute ago, ButtFumble said:

I figured a hemorrhoid donut made a better neck brace for Nick

In the context of Nick Saban, I believe it would be referred to as a "dick brace."

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On ‎1‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 9:25 PM, LTtxfan said:

 

Why the hell would an NFL team want a coach whose specialty is illegal recruiting???

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A blowout national championship loss to Clemson may not have been the biggest shock Nick Saban got last week.

Four days later in Tuscaloosa, Alabama was about to have its regular morning football staff meeting when Saban noticed someone was missing.

“Hey, where’s Dan?” Saban asked staffers, according to people with knowledge of the meeting, in reference to Dan Enos, the Tide’s quarterbacks coach who had just been promoted to become Alabama’s new offensive coordinator.

The offensive coordinator vacancy had been created by Mike Locksley leaving to become the head coach at Maryland. Much of the staff was on the road recruiting, but Saban and Enos were supposed to interview offensive line coaching candidates to replace Brent Key, who had taken a job at his alma mater Georgia Tech after three years with the Crimson Tide.

“Where’s Dan?”

Enos had done a terrific job as the Alabama quarterbacks coach in his first season in the program. A few days earlier, Locksley had raved about the work Enos had done training the Tide QBs to be more efficient in their decision-making. That work had carried over from the practice field into games, especially evidenced by Jalen Hurts’ finding the second receiver on several occasions when he came off the bench to rally Alabama past Georgia in the SEC title game.

Enos’ stock had soared in Saban’s eyes, from all accounts inside the Tide program. Saban was counting on Enos as Alabama would again have to navigate a staggering amount of staff turnover, even by Saban standards. After the 2017 season the Tide brought on six new assistant coaches. Locksley and Key were gone back to their home bases immediately after the 2018 season, as expected. Josh Gattis, the up-and-coming wideouts coach and co-offensive coordinator, had left the day before the staff meeting to take the offensive coordinator job at Michigan.

That same day, Enos’ name had surfaced as a candidate for offensive coordinator openings at Georgia and Miami. But at Alabama, Enos was getting handed the keys to the most explosive collection of skill-position talent the Tide have ever had: phenom quarterback and Heisman Trophy runner-up Tua Tagovailoa, two five-star running backs and a quartet of blazing fast wideouts that led the country in big plays by a wide margin. However, there was no sign of Enos when the staff meeting was about to start.

“Where the F#$% is Dan?!?”

Several of the staffers knew the answer to their boss’ question. Word had already spread that 50-year-old Enos was headed to Miami to become offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach under Manny Diaz. No one in the room wanted to be the one to break that news to Saban, even though Miami was primed to announce it in a couple hours.

One staffer scrambled to check if Enos was in his office. It was empty, save for a pencil on the desk. Maybe he’d already moved into Locksley’s old office, but that one was empty, too.

“He moved out like the Colts,” said one person with knowledge of the matter, equating Enos’ departure to the middle-of-the-night exit by the old Baltimore NFL franchise to Indianapolis.


Less than a week after the Enos’ bombshell, there’s been more turnover on the Tide staff. On Wednesday, as The Athletic first reported, defensive coordinator Tosh Lupoi accepted a job to become the Cleveland Browns’ defensive line coach. Lupoi was the best recruiter on the Alabama staff, with the primary responsibility for landing 2018 roster members Tagovailoa, Jonah Williams, Raekwon Davis, Najee Harris, Alex Leatherwood, Terrell Lewis, Trevon Diggs, Dylan Moses and Jaylen Waddle. That group may include a half-dozen future NFL Draft first-round picks, perhaps more.

But when Alabama lost to Clemson last week in a fashion unlike any other Saban-coached Crimson Tide team, the defense under first-year coordinator Lupoi took plenty of the blame. Alabama’s defense gave up 37 of Clemson’s 44 points, two more than Clemson scored on ’Bama in the 2017 title game and three fewer than Clemson got in the 2016 title game. No one seemed to remember that Alabama began the season with only three returning starters on defense, that it had lost its top six DBs to the NFL, its top pass rusher Lewis to injury and its top cover man Diggs at midseason. It was a group that had to face four of the top seven offenses in the FBS — two more than Alabama faced in the previous three years combined.

But Alabama lost the College Football Playoff championship game by 28 points, a result that left folks wondering if this is the start of a downturn in what has been the most impressive run in the history of the sport given all of the modern-day complexities of sustaining a dominant run.

In the wake of Enos’ departure, Saban reached out to a familiar face, recruiting Steve Sarkisian back to Alabama with the expectation that the 44-year-old Californian take over as offensive coordinator, according to people familiar with the situation. Sarkisian spent the 2016 season on the Alabama staff as an analyst and had a one-game stint as the Tide’s play caller in the national title game against Clemson after Lane Kiffin moved on to his FAU job.

After that game, Sarkisian served two seasons as the Atlanta Falcons’ offensive coordinator but was fired in December even though Atlanta ranked No. 6 in the NFL in total offense. Sarkisian’s familiarity with Saban’s system seemed to make him a good fit for a team that might have a completely new offensive staff depending on whether running backs coach Joe Pannunzio returns.

Another plus for Sarkisian is his relationship with Tagovailoa. As the head coach at USC, Sarkisian was the first to offer a scholarship to the strong-armed Hawaiian. Sarkisian also has been interviewing prospective assistant coaches this week. Among the candidates considered to be in the mix for the Tide’s offensive line vacancy is former Rutgers head coach Kyle Flood, who worked as the Falcons’ offensive line coach under Sarkisian.

One of the O-line coaches on Saban’s wish list, people familiar with the matter say, was Jeff Stoutland, Alabama’s line coach in 2011 and 2012. Stoutland, now on the Philadelphia Eagles’ staff, loves Saban but not the schedule that comes with returning to Alabama and becoming a college coach again, according to a person with knowledge of the situation. The reality is there is more of a grind coaching at the college level than in the NFL, which does not tie its coaches to recruiting 52 weeks of the year.

Turnover at powerhouse programs isn’t anything new. Often hot assistants get plucked off title-winning staffs to get the chance to run their own programs.

In the great run at USC under Pete Carroll, several of his protégés left for head coaching jobs — defensive coordinator Nick Holt took over the Idaho program; recruiting coordinator Ed Orgeron took over at Ole Miss; offensive coordinator Kiffin got the Oakland Raiders’ head coaching job; Sarkisian got the Washington job.

After winning two national titles at Florida, Urban Meyer lost offensive coordinator Dan Mullen to Mississippi State and defensive coordinator Charlie Strong to Louisville.

What’s unique to Alabama is the significantly higher rate of staff turnover in conjunction with the significantly greater rate of championships and success. Saban has won five national titles with the Tide, and he’s had four different offensive coordinators for those titles — Jim McElwain (two), Doug Nussmeier, Kiffin and Brian Daboll. Saban also has seen 10 assistants from his Alabama staff get FBS head coaching jobs: Kiffin, Locksley, Billy Napier, Major Applewhite, Geoff Collins, Mel Tucker, Kirby Smart, Jeremy Pruitt, McElwain and Mario Cristobal.

Maintaining staff chemistry can be vexing. Florida State’s dynasty under Bobby Bowden toppled when he lost some key assistants — most notably Mark Richt and Chuck Amato — to their own head coaching jobs, and after a 14-year stretch of top-five poll finishes, the Seminoles never finished better than No. 10 in Bowden’s final nine seasons as coach.


In reality, there are three kinds of staff departures in Sabanland.

The first is getting a bigger job. Of those 10 future head coaches, Kiffin, Smart, Pruitt, McElwain and Locksley all left to run their own shop. Gattis would fit in this category as well, because he gets the chance to call plays for Michigan.

The second type seems to be unique to Alabama, where some assistants leave for seemingly lateral or lesser jobs. Several of those are coaches who get nudged out or are encouraged to find other jobs. And Saban is well-connected and respected enough to help facilitate interview opportunities. In addition, having Alabama on a résumé and being exposed to Saban’s “Process” makes assistants a lot more marketable. A few of those 10 former assistants who later landed head coaches jobs fit in this spot. Some Tide fans are convinced Lupoi is among those in this category, too.

“I think he likes the change because I think he thinks it keeps people from getting complacent,” one former Alabama assistant coach said of Saban.

The third type seems to be a much less common situation: An assistant decides life — and his career — is better served elsewhere, which apparently was the case for Enos.

One ex-Saban staffer says that before he moved to Tuscaloosa to take a job with the Tide, he knew it would be a short-term stay. “You know your shelf life there is probably not gonna be long,” he said, adding that Saban probably knows it, too. “Nick’s a phenomenal recruiter, and he’s a phenomenal recruiter of coaches.”

It’s no secret that Saban can be a challenging boss. The term “ass chewings” has become part of the college football lexicon in the past few years. How difficult or taxing it actually is depends on who you ask.

 

The meticulous way Saban runs the Alabama program has become well known in football circles. It’s the grind of all grinds. After the Tide lost to Clemson on Jan. 7, the team spent the entire next day traveling back cross-country from California and didn’t arrive home until late Jan. 8. The staff had to be in for a 9 a.m. meeting the following day. One coach with knowledge of the schedule reasoned that in Saban’s mind that was giving everyone a little break because he didn’t schedule it for 90 minutes earlier.

One ex-Alabama assistant said Saban’s reputation is almost so notorious that he found working for him was not anywhere as rough as he heard it was going to be. But he added that the 67-year-old head coach “lacks a real personal relationship with the people he works with. It just feels like a business relationship.” Another former Tide assistant said he thinks coaches have a much better relationship with Saban after they’ve worked at Alabama than when they are there.

Videos of Saban ripping assistants during games have gone viral, but some former Tide staffers say it’s more the day-to-day existence that wears on them.

“You can deal with getting ripped on the sidelines because that’s emotion during the game,” says one former Alabama coach. “That’s way easier to deal with. That’s a couple of times a year. It’s just the non-stop for no reason stuff. When you’re there, then you realize how bullshit it is because it’s like scheduled. Like he’s going to bitch about the same shit on Sept. 6, or on the third day of camp, that he does every single year. It’s like it’s in his notes. So you realize that it’s not really just something that came up.”

In spite of that, or because of it, Saban has produced 11 consecutive top-10 Associated Press poll finishes, including seven years ranked in the top two. In the eyes of many around the sport, that level of achievement in the face of the coaching turnover is one of the most impressive aspects of the Alabama program.

“It’s one thing to have the unheard of success he’s having with the number of championships, but to be able to do it with new coaches each year is unbelievable, because I know for us at Clemson, the stability that we have is part of our success and I think it would be very difficult with a lot of turnover,” Clemson co-offensive coordinator Jeff Scott said. “Probably one of the biggest accomplishments in my opinion that Coach Saban has had is keeping that high level of success even with coaches leaving for other opportunities.”

That fact also wows one of Saban’s former assistants. “He turns over six assistants and still plays in the national title game. He thrives and does his best in what everybody else would perceive as chaos. His ability to function within that is phenomenal. I think the world of the guy,” the assistant said.

Another former Saban assistant said a lot of that falls under the process and structure that Saban has created in his own inner circle in Tuscaloosa.

“It doesn’t rely as much on assistant coaches because it is so structured,” the coach said. “He’s got two huge factors in (strength coach Scott) Cochran and (director of sports medicine) Jeff Allen that are the good cops. The players aren’t as miserable as the coaches because of those guys. They only deal with Saban a little bit. When you’re a coach, you deal with him all day. When you’re a player, you deal with Cochran and Jeff way more than you deal with Saban. And the other big thing is you’ve got better players than everybody you play. It’s not even close now. He’s out-recruited everybody.”

For as much as there’s been a sky-is-falling perception from some corners, it should be pointed out that two people familiar with the workings of the Alabama coaching staff had predicted before the Orange Bowl win against Oklahoma that there would be another huge wave of staff turnover coming this offseason, a wave that also includes two other on-field assistants who are expected to move on this offseason. The only real surprise was Enos, and perhaps Key, who in addition to working at his alma mater also is now coaching with one of his best friends, Collins.

Almost every person contacted for this story agreed that anyone who thinks the Tide are vulnerable in the wake of this turnover, from bringing in six new assistants last offseason to what could be as many as seven new assistants this offseason, coupled with the fact Saban is coming off his most lopsided defeat at Alabama, is going to be very disappointed.

“Some people are going to start to count Coach out, like they always do, that there’s too much turnover and this is the first time he’s ever gotten blown out at Alabama, and every time they say that, that the dynasty is over, he proves them wrong,” Kiffin said.

“And he’ll probably prove them all wrong again. His systems are so in place that they can deal with assistant coach turnover better than anywhere in America. He’s in his 10th, 11th year of the program and has his structure so nailed down that it can handle change and adversity better than anywhere else.”

 

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2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

theathletic:

Great Stuff..... Thx Beau Vine

Still love Saban quote: “Where the F#$% is Dan?!?”

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4 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

I'll believe Bama is in trouble when they aren't ranked #1 or #2 in the preseason.
I don't think 2019 is the year that I'm going to see that.

Maybe if Saban isn't the coach anymore - health concern, boating accident, he wakes up and realizes what a miserable fuck he is....

Those that believe Saban will be fine with turnover of 6 Asst Coaches for 2018 Season, and turnover of 4 or 5 Asst Coaches for 2019 Season may be proven right due to all the current talent still remaining on Bama's roster.

But make no mistake, some things are different for Saban going forward after that butt whipping that Clemson laid on the Crimson Tide.  This is an opportunity for other programs to make up ground on Bama....

I also expect that the transfer portal will have more Bama players names added on there in 2019 and 2020.....

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On 1/14/2019 at 2:05 PM, sushihorn said:

 

Look at the 2018 class.  Herman was able to RS both QBs, all the OL and (I think) 2 DL.  The true frosh DL that played in the Sugar made some solid contributions.  Ossai was a monster.  Coburn was more than solid.  Ojomo got some quality snaps to spell the big guys inside.  Outside the lines, freshmen made big marks at RB and DB.  2017 class produced a number of good players despite the unusually low ranking and small class size (17).  That gave us Sam, Cosmi, Kerstetter, Ta'Quon Graham, Gary Johnson and Josh Thompson as well as Brewer and Leitao - one of which will likely start at TE next year.  Pretty good hit rate (40%) from class that wasn't ranked high.  Talent identification, recruiting and development are not really on my list of concerns.

The staff embarrassed a solid UGa staff that had more talent to work with.  The same could be said for OU also.  It would be difficult for me to call that a weak staff.

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4 hours ago, Magus Ossis said:

Well, I am obviously a Longhorn, not a Bammer. And there is certainly evidence that coaches don't like working for Saban. And there is at least one data point in 2018 Clemson that coaching continuity is associated with winning the FBS CFP championship (and more than once, looking back 2 years). A scientist will tell you, however, that trendlines are generally more important and informative than outlying data points.

6 2 0 3 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1. There is one data set for you. That is Saban's losses by year since taking over at Bama. If you graph it, depending on what type of equation you use as your fit, you are likely to get something like a damped oscillation reaching equilibrium at 1 loss or a decay toward one loss. It is not an upward trend at all.

0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0. There is another set. That is Saban's number of national championships per year. It looks a lot like emissions from a source that has an irregular frequency of circa 1/3 or 1/2. The last datum happens to be a zero, but other than that, it is not particularly trending toward zero. In fact, if the bowl game outcomes in 2014 and 2015 were flipped, it would be a perfect alternation of winning every other championship, starting with the game against us.

Saban has been a hard, and for many unenjoyable, man for whom to work going way back, at least to when Major was on his staff, because it was a deal on the Shag at the time. It could certainly bite him, as ceteris paribus, staff stability and congeniality foster success. But history seems to say that it is not the Bama fans who are exercising wishful thinking at the expense of reaching the most likely solution here, but rather those who hope/think Saban is sinking or sunk. I can't predict the future, but I would certainly not bet against Bama's being in the playoffs and a threat to win them any time soon.

I don't need a wall of spam.

Bama won't play in the MNC game next year. That's the bet I propose. Keep wagging your keyboard or provide your wager. One will likely get you a wager you seem confident about the other gets you put on ignore.

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On 1/14/2019 at 2:51 PM, BrazilHorn said:

We are in violent agreement that there’s a solid foundation and that team is moving in right direction. Get to 10+ wins 2 yrs in a row, best LSU and OU this upcoming season and win NY6 bowl I think team can say they’re back. 

Pretty solid expectations, and very possible...

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1 hour ago, South Austin said:

I’ve read this entire thread and have reached the firm conclusion that Alabama will go 0-13 next season.

That's funny, I also read this entire thread, and I have reached the firm conclusion that there's a sale at Penney's.

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56 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

That's funny, I also read this entire thread, and I have reached the firm conclusion that there's a sale at Penney's.

What is Penney's and what's on sale?

How do the women who work there look?

When is it open?

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I’ve read this entire thread and have reached the firm conclusion that Alabama will go 0-13 next season.
Typical knee jerk reaction. They aren't used to Bama losing so when they do, it's doom and gloom!! Dynasty over!!

Go look at the times people claimed OU was in decline. And then they go to the playoffs 3 times in 4 years.

Bama is a machine now. They will just reload and keep it moving.

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Actually he did. It was very well documented in Jan Reid’s interview with Royal published 12/01/82 in TexasMonthly. It is in his own words, and he is very specific as to why he choose to call it quits at that time, even with a returning, and then healthy Earl. And where he was when he finally decided to to call it quits (Lubbock, in his hotel room). 
Nope, forced out by Shivers. The rest is a cover story. Quitting with Earl in the backfield makes no sense.

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Saban stealing another SEC Asst Coach.  Bama gets stronger and Florida gets weaker.....

Saban playing Chess..... SEC playing Checkers.

https://www.gatorcountry.com/florida-gators-football/sal-sunseri-leaving-florida-to-join-alabama-staff/

Florida Gators defensive line coach Sal Sunseri will be joining Nick Saban’s staff at Alabama, Gator Country has learned.  This will not be Sunseri’s first time coaching with Nick Saban. The veteran defensive coach was an assistant head coach/linebackers coach from 2009-2011. Sunseri has more than 35 years experience at both the NFL and collegiate levels coaching. He spent just one season coaching defensive line at Florida. Sunseri spent the previous three seasons with the Oakland Raiders.

There was added incentive for Sunseri to join Alabama’s staff. His son, former Alabama safety, Vinnie joined the Alabama staff as a graduate assistant this week. Vinnie was a fifth round pick by the New Orleans Saints in 2014. He last played in the NFL in 2016.  Sunseri was widely liked inside the football building. He brought a wealth of knowledge and experience. Dan Mullen will need to find a replacement for Sunseri, who coached defensive line with less than three weeks until National Signing Day.

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7 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Typical knee jerk reaction. They aren't used to Bama losing so when they do, it's doom and gloom!! Dynasty over!!

Go look at the times people claimed OU was in decline. And then they go to the playoffs 3 times in 4 years.

Bama is a machine now. They will just reload and keep it moving.

You are a shit talking pussy that won't back his shit talking. Man up you fucking bitch ass punk.

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Looks like Saban hiring coach from Atlanta Falcons for OL Asst Coach spot....  This Coach has a history of breaking rules while he was a college coach.....

https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20190118/reports-kyle-flood-new-alabama-offensive-line-coach

Flood is best known for his time at Rutgers, where he was head coach from 2012-15. He was an assistant there from 2005-11. More recently, he was assistant offensive line coach for the Atlanta Falcons in 2017.

In 2017, Flood helped Atlanta produce an offense that allowed only 24 sacks, tied for the third-lowest amount in the NFL.

He was fired from Rutgers at the end of the 2015 season, during which the Scarlet Knights went 4-8. He received a one-year show-cause order from the NCAA that expired in September 2018 after an investigation determined Flood “failed to monitor his operations staff” and their oversight of a group of mostly female student recruiting hosts.

He was suspended three games by the university during the 2015 season after an internal investigation found that Flood had intervened with a professor on behalf of a football player to maintain the player’s eligibility.

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DC... Charles Kelly.   Age 51.  30yrs FB Coaching

DL.... Sal Sunseri   Age 59.    35yrs FB Coaching

OL..... Kyle Flood.   Age 48.    28yrs FB Coaching

OC...Steve Sarkisian  Age 44   20yrs FB Coaching

Hirings for 2019 are a group of experienced Football Asst Coaches.  Probably can expect to see gameplanning  improve for Saban's 2019 Bama squad.....

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5 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

DC... Charles Kelly.   Age 51.  30yrs FB Coaching

DL.... Sal Sunseri   Age 59.    35yrs FB Coaching

OL..... Kyle Flood.   Age 48.    28yrs FB Coaching

OC...Steve Sarkisian  Age 44   20yrs FB Coaching

Hirings for 2019 are a group of more experienced Football Asst Coaches.  Probably can expect to see gameplanning  improve for Saban's 2019 Bama squad.....

And those guys know what coaching there will mean. The coordinators are there to use a year of grinding under Saban to launch new HC opportunities, and the assistants expect to fill the roster by whatever means necessary.

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1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Looks like Saban hiring coach from Atlanta Falcons for OL Asst Coach spot....  This Coach has a history of breaking rules while he was a college coach.....

https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20190118/reports-kyle-flood-new-alabama-offensive-line-coach

Flood is best known for his time at Rutgers, where he was head coach from 2012-15. He was an assistant there from 2005-11. More recently, he was assistant offensive line coach for the Atlanta Falcons in 2017.

In 2017, Flood helped Atlanta produce an offense that allowed only 24 sacks, tied for the third-lowest amount in the NFL.

He was fired from Rutgers at the end of the 2015 season, during which the Scarlet Knights went 4-8. He received a one-year show-cause order from the NCAA that expired in September 2018 after an investigation determined Flood “failed to monitor his operations staff” and their oversight of a group of mostly female student recruiting hosts.

He was suspended three games by the university during the 2015 season after an internal investigation found that Flood had intervened with a professor on behalf of a football player to maintain the player’s eligibility.

SEC SEC SEC coaches are going with the Costanza "was that wrong because no one told me that was wrong"

not to mention that SEC SEC SEC professors know the system and SEC SEC SEC universities handle the recruiting host on the academic side so it does not fall back on athletics

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