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    Texas Jeff

    I thought it might be helpful to have a separate topic related to the vaccine.  If this is too much duplication, mods please delete this thread.  I thought it would be good to talk about who can get the vaccine, where they can get it, what side effects people are seeing, and in general what is going on with distribution.

    The CDC has published vaccine distribution guidelines, and if you care, they are worth reading.  They are dividing the timeline into:

    • Phase 1 - Potentially limited supply of COVID-19 vaccine doses available
    • Phase 2 - Large number of vaccine doses available
    • Phase 3 - Sufficient supply of vaccine doses for entire population

    Who you are will determine if you are eligible for a vaccine in the various phases.

    Phase 1 is divided into a Phase 1a and a Phase 1b:

    • Phase 1a - Mostly healthcare workers
    • Phase 1b - Other essential workers, people with higher risks, people over 65

    If you are eligible to get the vaccine and they have in in stock and you want to get it, it is important to go get it.  Both of the first two vaccines can spoil, so if a dose is sitting there and you aren't there to get it, they might have to throw it away.

    Both vaccines require two shots.  It is important to go get that second shot.

    Who fits in phase 1b and who has to wait until phase 2 might be a sticking point.  The "people in higher risks" category includes a lot of folks, maybe more than you would think might be in that category.  Hopefully we can quickly get to phase 2 so that we don't spend too long arguing about who is or is not in Phase 1b.

    Anyway, I'm interested in everyone's experience with the vaccine and especially getting the word out for those that can go get it, so that every dose ends up in an arm rather than in the trash.

     

     


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    On 9/29/2023 at 11:09 AM, The Bell Tolls for Thee said:

    Food for thought in this testimony from a PhD in South Carolina.

    For some background, he thinks we did the best we could at the time with the time constraints we had. Also is a strong proponent of the mRNA platform.

    He sampled and then sequenced old vials of Pfizer vaccine. Lots of contamination with DNA. Effects TBD.

     

     

    Phillip Buckhaults - College of Pharmacy | University of South Carolina (sc.edu)

    Let us know when S Carolina funds the study.

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    13 hours ago, HenryJames said:

    Still not dead, but it’s only been 24 hours.

    "Well, everybody dies eventually, and moving forward, it will be from the COVID vaccine."

    - Surly medical experts 

     

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    On 9/29/2023 at 11:09 AM, The Bell Tolls for Thee said:

    Food for thought in this testimony from a PhD in South Carolina.

    For some background, he thinks we did the best we could at the time with the time constraints we had. Also is a strong proponent of the mRNA platform.

    He sampled and then sequenced old vials of Pfizer vaccine. Lots of contamination with DNA. Effects TBD.

     

     

    Phillip Buckhaults - College of Pharmacy | University of South Carolina (sc.edu)

    Who knew?

    had the right to remain silent... but I didn'thave the ability." Ron White

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    On 9/29/2023 at 4:47 PM, Anastasis said:

    TX cares results came in for my HS aged daughter over the last week. Her last vaccine was 07/2021. Her S ab level is through the roof, she has N converted as expected. There is no reasonable basis for giving her another shot at this point. The CDC recommends doing the dance all the way down to 6m olds. Risk segmentation for some of the olds that keep excel files of grocery store price changes here are not relevant to other population segments. 

    TX cares is still going?  I don't think they've contacted me in over a year.

    Anyway, I got the new booster last Thursday and felt kind of achy and rundown the next day, just like with all the others.  By Sat morning I was fine.  Stupid immune system, shouldn't it be catching on by now?

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    1 minute ago, WBT said:

    TX cares is still going?  I don't think they've contacted me in over a year.

    Yeah, they are trying to collect more data from youth and adolescents. 

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    5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    Yeah, they are trying to collect more data from youth and adolescents. 

    I've gotten the kid emails as well.  My kids aren't interested, but hope they get good data.

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    17 minutes ago, dcbc said:

    I've gotten the kid emails as well.  My kids aren't interested, but hope they get good data.

    Yep. My oldest wanted to get a draw but getting the youngest to do a needle isn’t a winning prop. 

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    On 9/28/2023 at 6:12 PM, Deej said:

    "I pity the fool who don't get his booster."

    Hope he has a trainload of pity available to use.

    The gun boards I frequent are saturated with fools…at least about the Covid.

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    36 minutes ago, Henry Gray said:

     

     

     

    So? acceptance rate <1%. You didn't adhere to medical requirements, fuck you. The military isn't about choice. 

    Your goddamned vaccine rights mean dog shit. Serve or don't, but you don't get to choose "I want the non shooting group." come on. SmallPox shit is bad. Get fucking vaccinated. Don't be a moron. There are no microchips in your shot. We can barely track luggage. Idiots. Refuse to get a vaccine, fine, you're a dick, that's the freedom the US affords you. You don't get the right to fuck everyone else. Particularly the military. 

    Gawd Zillenials break my brain. 

     

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    20 minutes ago, DaysOff said:


    No shit. My airline lines new hires up week one for a yellow fever vax. Don't like it; go fly for spirit.

    I would definitely want to be up to date on all my shots if I was stepping foot on a Spirit aircraft.

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    2 hours ago, South Austin said:

    No shit. This is what I was saying during the entire pandemic. Our state has mandated vaccines for public school students for decades, yet this one vaccine invokes such a “but, muh freedum!” reaction.

    I wish they mandated them, but it's effortless for the morons to opt out of it.  They must sign an affidavit that they didn't vaccinate their kids for "Reasons of Conscience."   That's it.  That's all they have to do. 

    Texas ranks among the highest in the nation for unvaccinated kids (and while I doubt a proper study could be done to prove it, I suspect we also rank among the highest for dumbasses per capita).  This is why we have outbreaks of things like measles.   If you think your public school kids are in an environment full of vaccinated children, think again.  Only certain private schools truly mandate and enforce vaccinations.  

     

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    11 hours ago, Sbbruin said:

    I just got my 6th shot.  But it’s been 9 months since the last and need to make sure I’m covered.

    I bet you can get wifi on the boat no matter where you go! 

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    1 hour ago, Schulz2.0 said:

    Lol, when I was in I had to get all kinds of vaccines including anthrax and smallpox. We also had to get a flu shot every year. Sorry your feelings got hurt.

    How can anyone in command trust these people to follow orders?  It isn't as simple as not getting a shot, its about being in a situation which depends on everyone following orders.  And spare me the immoral order part, they weren't ordering you to kill a kid, they were ordering you to get a vaccine.  

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    1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

    How can anyone in command trust these people to follow orders?  It isn't as simple as not getting a shot, its about being in a situation which depends on everyone following orders.  And spare me the immoral order part, they weren't ordering you to kill a kid, they were ordering you to get a vaccine.  

    The flip side is true.

    now they were, "just kidding" about the order.  

     

    Complete fuckery

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    3 hours ago, Don Johnson said:

    Needed.  Still required for a reason.

    Is the military allowed to determine what orders to give soldiers?  Yes

    Are soldiers allowed to determine which orders they should or should not follow? No

    hence, eat a dick 
     

     

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    19 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

    Is the military allowed to determine what orders to give soldiers?  Yes

    Are soldiers allowed to determine which orders they should or should not follow? No

    hence, eat a dick 

    Eat a dick, but we dropped the requirement and we'd love to have you back and restore your rank.  

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    Yeah, plenty of service members didn’t get it.  Both of my sons did.

    Some a y’all don’t know 2 shits about the military, but you embrace the ‘just follow gotdam orders’ because it fits your politics.

    Go fuck yourself.

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    1 hour ago, Don Johnson said:

    Eat a dick, but we dropped the requirement and we'd love to have you back and restore your rank.  

    Are you really arguing soldiers should determine what orders they are allowed to follow? Or are you just anti-vaccine?

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    Just now, Neonmoon said:

    Are you really arguing soldiers should determine what orders they are allowed to follow? Or are you just anti-vaccine?

    I'm not anti vaccine.  I took the vaccine by choice.  I think the military mandate was a poor decision and should not have been an order in the first place.  But for the most part, it has been rectified.

    Surely there have been military orders that you have disagreed with?  

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    5 hours ago, Don Johnson said:

    Needed.  Still required for a reason.

    The military determined that Covid vax was needed at that time. If I was guessing, it’s so that a fair number of soldiers didn’t contract it and be offline for a while, and overwhelming their care capabilities. 
     

    how the Spanish flu went through the soldiers. 
     

    that’s their call to make and once they make it, it’s the rule. 

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    19 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

    I'm not anti vaccine.  I took the vaccine by choice.  I think the military mandate was a poor decision and should not have been an order in the first place.  But for the most part, it has been rectified.

    Surely there have been military orders that you have disagreed with?  

    Why do you think it was a poor decision? Explain why the Covid vaccine was not needed but a smallpox vaccine is needed? I will just assume you did your own research doctor. 

    No. I don’t disagree with military orders because I’m not in the military, but if I was in the military, I wouldn’t disagree with the military mandating I take one vaccine as opposed to another vaccine because I’m not a doctor, a virologist, or a anti-vaccine fucking weirdo. 

     

     

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    29 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

    I'm not anti vaccine.  I took the vaccine by choice.  I think the military mandate was a poor decision and should not have been an order in the first place.  But for the most part, it has been rectified.

    Surely there have been military orders that you have disagreed with?  

     

    28 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

    The military determined that Covid vax was needed at that time. If I was guessing, it’s so that a fair number of soldiers didn’t contract it and be offline for a while, and overwhelming their care capabilities. 
     

    how the Spanish flu went through the soldiers. 
     

    that’s their call to make and once they make it, it’s the rule. 

    This.

    A novel virus was moving through humanity.  It was killing people at a much higher rate than other non-novel illnesses do.  Dead soldiers negatively affects readiness.  That call was the military's to make, and they made it.  Don't like it?  GTFO.

    Further....the military has regularly required a fucking stack of vaccines, medical preventative measures, etc.  Those were not requests, they were fucking required.  But COVID....well, that's different.  WHY is it different?  Because 5G and Bill Gates and Plandemic and the Vaccine is Designed to Alter Our DNA and Make us Lizard People and all manner of utterly stupid shit.  But IDGAF, and neither should the military.

    The mission of the military is to have troops healthy and ready to fight.  If the military believes that drinking your Ovaltine every day is required to do that, then private, you are ordered to drink your motherfucking Ovaltine.  Jesus, we have managed to create a perfect cocktail of morons and pussies, and call them Americans.

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    How many soldiers are in the target demographics/ at-risk of Covid? My sons damned sure weren't.

     

    Let's ignore that answer.  Just certain science matters...when it's convenient.

     

    Yea! Team!!!

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    20 minutes ago, slorch said:

    How many soldiers are in the target demographics/ at-risk of Covid? My sons damned sure weren't.

     

    Let's ignore that answer.  Just certain science matters...when it's convenient.

     

    Yea! Team!!!

    From dying, probably not a lot.  From getting pretty damn ill and then being worthless as a solider while they are pretty damn ill and potentially draining medical resources while they are pretty damn ill....plenty enough.  

    Some people still don't get that vaccines have multiple intended effects.  Sure one is to hopefully save lives of at-risk individuals, another one is so that every ER isn't filled to the teets with sick people, who probably aren't all gonna die but are going to overwhelm said care system.  

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    12 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

    From dying, probably not a lot.  From getting pretty damn ill and then being worthless as a solider while they are pretty damn ill and potentially draining medical resources while they are pretty damn ill....plenty enough.  

    Some people still don't get that vaccines have multiple intended effects.  Sure one is to hopefully save lives of at-risk individuals, another one is so that every ER isn't filled to the teets with sick people, who probably aren't all gonna die but are going to overwhelm said care system.  

    It was a political move, not a medical one.

    Everyone knew it.

    Yea team!!!

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    50 minutes ago, slorch said:

    How many soldiers are in the target demographics/ at-risk of Covid? My sons damned sure weren't.

     

    Let's ignore that answer.  Just certain science matters...when it's convenient.

     

    Yea! Team!!!

    There were plenty of fat fucks in the Navy when I was in. The joke was that it was died near a requirement to be E-7 or above.

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    18 minutes ago, slorch said:

    It was a political move, not a medical one.

    Everyone knew it.

    Yea team!!!

    By this logic, what is the rationale for requiring everyone to get an annual flu shot? Military readiness, bud.

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    19 minutes ago, slorch said:

    It was a political move, not a medical one.

    Everyone knew it.

    Yea team!!!

    Same politicians and military brass, more or less, changed the policy. Was that also politically motivated?

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    I’m a veteran who served long before COVID. I got lots of vaccines during my time and didn’t give them much of a thought. That said, there’s a lot of ignorant pontificating about readiness, military culture, and following orders going on here.

    1. For every lawful order, there are tons of exceptions in practice. It’s just the reality of an organization so massive.  These exceptions are formalized to varying degrees.

    2. For every lawful order, big or small, there’s a huddle of junior enlisted complaining about it and scheming to get out of it.

    3. If you find yourself arguing that those in the military “signed up to follow orders” or some variation, you aren’t operating in reality.

    4. I don’t care if people were forced out or not; having served during the peak of an unpopular war, I saw how the military makes business decisions based on retention, etc. As long as they make and keep their numbers, they’ll get along just fine. Pushing people out or bringing them back is just a business decision.
     

    5. Get your shots, but maybe put a check on your GI Joe fantasies.

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