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The only true Hail Mary I remember for the Horns was at DKR right before the half of one of those shitty non conference games. Pretty sure it was Gilbert who threw it to maybe Kirkendoll or Malcolm Williams? The play someone posted of Stafford to Tony Jones had the impact of a Hail Mary, even though it was obviously a much shorter throw..

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I was under the impression that the term 'Hail Mary' came into existence when Doug Flutie hit the winning TD pass for the Biston College Fightin' Jesuits against Miami back in the early '80s. No?

 

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9 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

I was under the impression that the term 'Hail Mary' came into existence when Doug Flutie hit the winning TD pass for the Biston College Fightin' Jesuits against Miami back in the early '80s. No?

 

The first time I remember seeing or hearing "Hail Mary" referenced was Roger Staubach to Drew Pearson vs Minnesota back in 1975.

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19 hours ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

The first UT game that I attended in person was the 1970 game against UCLA in Austin, when the upper deck was still under construction.  UCLA became the first team to really figure out a defense for Texas' wishbone attack.  The Horns had the ball on the UCLA 45-yard line with 20 seconds left, trailing 17-13.  Eddie Phillips hit Cotton Speyrer with a touchdown pass over the middle to win the game with 12 seconds left.  That's the closest that I've seen in person. 

Around 2:30 on this video clip.

 

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34 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Around 2:30 on this video clip.

 

Wait- did UCLA really have the ball on the Texas 15 for one more play? Why didn’t they try to kick a FG to tie? Even back then, that had to be better odds than trying to score a TD from the 15 (and I get that the game would have ended in a tie). Did they not have a TO left?

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1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Around 2:30 on this video clip.

 

That defense Tommy Prothro and his coaches came up was called the mirror defense.

Basically every offensive back had a defender assigned to him man to man.

You basically just tackled your man whether he had the ball or not. It worked and Norte Dame ran a similar scheme when they beat us in the Cotton Bowl later that season.

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2 hours ago, statsman said:

Wait- did UCLA really have the ball on the Texas 15 for one more play? Why didn’t they try to kick a FG to tie? Even back then, that had to be better odds than trying to score a TD from the 15 (and I get that the game would have ended in a tie). Did they not have a TO left?

We had the ball on the 15 after picking off a hail Mary and just went into victory formation.  Though that kneel down looked awkward, were you required to make it look like you tripped back then?

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9 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

We had the ball on the 15 after picking off a hail Mary and just went into victory formation.  Though that kneel down looked awkward, were you required to make it look like you tripped back then?

Thx- on my phone I couldn’t tell that it was picked 

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I have a question.

Last season I saw some mention about how since we couldn’t block inside zone running plays very good, we mostly ran outside zone…and how this specifically caused issues with play action resulting in rushers getting to the qb more often, etc.

What is it about OZ compared to IZ that makes PA more difficult to execute and difficult to protect?

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6 minutes ago, scottsins said:

I have a question.

Last season I saw some mention about how since we couldn’t block inside zone running plays very good, we mostly ran outside zone…and how this specifically caused issues with play action resulting in rushers getting to the qb more often, etc.

What is it about OZ compared to IZ that makes PA more difficult to execute and difficult to protect?

Good question.

Looks to me like the blocking schemes are almost identical. Maybe both Wisner and Blue were better at running outside, so teams didn't respect inside zone as much? Could be as simple as that.

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Good question.
Looks to me like the blocking schemes are almost identical. Maybe both Wisner and Blue were better at running outside, so teams didn't respect inside zone as much? Could be as simple as that.

Yeah. My question wasn’t as much about why we couldn’t block inside successfully as much as how it affects pass protection. Is it that the RB after the fake handoff is out of position to help pick up rushers?

* My question may just be actually dumb and not even a real “thing” to address.
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1 hour ago, scottsins said:


Yeah. My question wasn’t as much about why we couldn’t block inside successfully as much as how it affects pass protection. Is it that the RB after the fake handoff is out of position to help pick up rushers?

* My question may just be actually dumb and not even a real “thing” to address.

Not dumb at all.

Pretty much every play ever designed should be a TD if executed properly.

However there is thing called a defense that is designed to muck shit up and they do.

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20 hours ago, scottsins said:


Yeah. My question wasn’t as much about why we couldn’t block inside successfully as much as how it affects pass protection. Is it that the RB after the fake handoff is out of position to help pick up rushers?

* My question may just be actually dumb and not even a real “thing” to address.

In overly simple terms. Inside zone, the lineman is responsible for gap playside. The gap right next to them. Outside zone the lineman are going to try and block one gap over play side. When 5 guys are arc releasing and crossing face more gaps form in blocking and easier run through for linebackers. 

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22 hours ago, scottsins said:

I have a question.

Last season I saw some mention about how since we couldn’t block inside zone running plays very good, we mostly ran outside zone…and how this specifically caused issues with play action resulting in rushers getting to the qb more often, etc.

What is it about OZ compared to IZ that makes PA more difficult to execute and difficult to protect?

Possibly another contributing factor was a blocking rule change 2 seasons ago in 2023. Yes inside the box was the same but outside pressure had to be blocked differently:
 

In recent years the NCAA altered blocking rules, particularly the rules regarding blocks below the waist. In a change made last year, blocking below the waist was permitted only inside the tackle box. Once a player leaves the tackle box, blocking below the waist — often referred to as “cut blocking” — was no longer allowed.

This rule change has seen teams like Army and other service academies decide to shift away from their under-center triple option game. Jeff Monken, the head coach at Army, made such a decision this spring.

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On 11/26/2020 at 10:27 PM, ztejas said:

You could watch that stupid fucking tosu example that no one cares about or you could skip to 1:00 in this video:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/7/17/17579422/vince-young-2005-texas-oklahoma-billy-pittman

...the Sooners yelled, “Sprint-out! Sprint-out! Sprint-out! And then Texas receiver Billy Pittman started too soon, drawing a 5-yard penalty

But as the Longhorns huddled again, Vince Young was resolute.

”I told the guys, If they call out our play, we’re gonna laugh when we score,’ Young said.

Sixty-four yards later? Pittman was in the end zone.

”We all laughed," Young said.

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On 5/2/2025 at 2:47 PM, Ghost of NMAS said:

The first UT game that I attended in person was the 1970 game against UCLA in Austin, when the upper deck was still under construction.  UCLA became the first team to really figure out a defense for Texas' wishbone attack.  The Horns had the ball on the UCLA 45-yard line with 20 seconds left, trailing 17-13.  Eddie Phillips hit Cotton Speyrer with a touchdown pass over the middle to win the game with 12 seconds left.  That's the closest that I've seen in person. 

I too have memories of a game against UCLA when their defense had us figured out.  Butthere's not a 64-point Hail Mary play, so we didn't attempt one.

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