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Tech needs to take a little sliver out of that pile of cash they are throwing around and (1) pay his widow what they owe Leach, and (2) publicly disavow the way they treated him. It would make Tech as an institution easier not to despise. Obviously nowhere near the gravity, but they seem to act similarly to how Pedo and Baylor are treating their scandals. Just don't talk about it and wait for people to get over it.

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20 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Tech needs to take a little sliver out of that pile of cash they are throwing around and (1) pay his widow what they owe Leach, and (2) publicly disavow the way they treated him. It would make Tech as an institution easier not to despise. Obviously nowhere near the gravity, but they seem to act similarly to how Pedo and Baylor are treating their scandals. Just don't talk about it and wait for people to get over it.

This is just bullshit. He was fired for cause, and the cause given was perfectly valid, even if the James' are pricks. The way he treated Adam James would be and was considered unacceptable by any measure. Should Texas have to pay Chris Beard just because he never ended up getting convicted in a court of law? Come on.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is just bullshit. He was fired for cause, and the cause given was perfectly valid, even if the James' are pricks. The way he treated Adam James would be and was considered unacceptable by any measure. Should Texas have to pay Chris Beard just because he never ended up getting convicted in a court of law? Come on.

No. Tech knew they would lose a lawsuit and invoked sovereign immunity to avoid facing one. Do more homework on the nitty gritty details.

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10 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

No. Tech knew they would lose a lawsuit and invoked sovereign immunity to avoid facing one. Do more homework on the nitty gritty details.

2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Yep. They did not defend on the merits.  They played the SI trump card.

Texas would 100% have done the same thing if Beard had gone through with his suit.

Going to need to see a citation on exactly how Tech would have lost that lawsuit. The players and most of the coaches were backing up James, not Leach, and likely would have testified against him had it come to that.

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37 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Texas would 100% have done the same thing if Beard had gone through with his suit.

 

We are so fortunate, on this board, to have Red Raiders like Fontana and Iceman to explain to us how our program works or would act in different situations 

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21 minutes ago, statsman said:

We are so fortunate, on this board, to have Red Raiders like Fontana and Iceman to explain to us how our program works or would act in different situations 

I mean it would be the smart thing for Texas to do. No shot the AD would want to pay what Beard had left on his contract after he was terminated for cause. That's just how these things work. You can act like a little bitch about it if you want, I guess, but that doesn't change anything!

Literally any state employer would do the same thing, doesn't matter if it's Tech, Texas, or any other public institution.

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2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I mean it would be the smart thing for Texas to do. No shot the AD would want to pay what Beard had left on his contract after he was terminated for cause. That's just how these things work. You can act like a little bitch about it if you want, I guess, but that doesn't change anything!

Literally any state employer would do the same thing, doesn't matter if it's Tech, Texas, or any other public institution.

Have you ever wondered why TT hires such shitty coaches? Have you ever thought that maybe it’s because coaches have agents, who know which employers are good and which aren’t? That Tech claiming SI may have hurt it, in future hiring?

If a court told Texas it had to pay Beard, Texas would have paid, and not claimed SI. For two reasons: Texas has the money, and CDC is smart enough to know he will be hiring other basketball coaches in the future, and he wants Texas to be the preferred destination. 

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Charlotte Bingham was the Vice Chancellor who investigated Craig James' allegations. These snippets are culled from her deposition in which one can see that the substance of Adam James accusations, namely that he was confined in an electrical closet as his video suggested, was materially false.

(Deposition of Charlotte Bingham at p. 80.) Indeed the trainer who took Adam James to the media room specifically told Adam James he did not want him in the electrical closet. (Deposition of Charlotte Bingham at p. 80-81.) Yet Adam went in there on his own.

“Adam James told me that he went into the electrical closet and that he stood in the electrical closet for approximately five minutes.” (Deposition of Charlotte Bingham at p. 83.) Therefore, she reported back to Texas Tech officials that “Adam was not confined in the electrical closet.” (Deposition of Charlotte Bingham at p. 195-196.) The President’s Chief of Staff, Grace Hernandez, also investigated these allegations and said Adam “never had to stand in electrical closet.” (Deposition of Charlotte Bingham at p. 150.) Ms. Bingham never recommended dismissal of Coach Leach. (Deposition of Charlotte Bingham at p. 46.)

Even granting arguendo that Tech had a technicality on which they could have fired Leach, the world hates the administration that did it. When you stand up for them, you help answer the question of why people still look down on Tech and many of its apologists.

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@statsmanI've more often wondered how Texas gets so many shitty coaches...  The Tech side makes sense.  The UT results don't, historically.

 

@Magus OssisI don't hear the Tech fans who do post on here defending the Leach debacle. Evidently Fontana does.
I never have.  Not once.
Adam James also later recanted his accusations, but yeah, too little too late.

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is just bullshit. He was fired for cause, and the cause given was perfectly valid, even if the James' are pricks. The way he treated Adam James would be and was considered unacceptable by any measure. Should Texas have to pay Chris Beard just because he never ended up getting convicted in a court of law? Come on.

 

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Texas would 100% have done the same thing if Beard had gone through with his suit.

Going to need to see a citation on exactly how Tech would have lost that lawsuit. The players and most of the coaches were backing up James, not Leach, and likely would have testified against him had it come to that.

 

19 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I mean it would be the smart thing for Texas to do. No shot the AD would want to pay what Beard had left on his contract after he was terminated for cause. That's just how these things work. You can act like a little bitch about it if you want, I guess, but that doesn't change anything!

Literally any state employer would do the same thing, doesn't matter if it's Tech, Texas, or any other public institution.

 

3 minutes ago, Iceman said:

@statsmanI've wondered more about how Texas gets so many shitty coaches...

 

@Magus OssisI don't hear the Tech fans who do post on here defending the Leach debacle.  I never have.  Not once.

I quoted to make finding it easier for you

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I prefer not to read it.

I have very defined, long-standing opinions on the Leach deal, that were engrained well before December 2009.  All that situation did is confirm small minded idiocy by Tech leaders and GOBs.  USC, Texas, any bigtime programs would have laughed Adam James out of the athletic office.

WRT Beard, well, I've been transparent on that situation, as well.

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11 minutes ago, Iceman said:

@statsmanI've wondered more about how Texas gets so many shitty coaches...

 

@Magus OssisI don't hear the Tech fans who do post on here defending the Leach debacle.  I never have.  Not once.

Bible: 2-0 vs TT

Cherry: 3-0

Price: 0-1

Royal: 14-4

Akers: 8-2

McWilliams: 3-2

Mackovic: 3-3

Brown: 13-3

Strong: 2-1

Herman: 3-1

Sarkisian: 2-1

I won’t disagree that Price was a shitty coach. 
 
I know. Maths are hard. 

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What's funny is in the Cowboys Netflix piece, they touch on Jimmy Johnson ripping a player for having asthma during training camp.  "The asthma field's over there!!!"

Leach had them  put Adam James in a room the players actually sought out during breaks from practice, and he never was locked in there.

 

Tech wanted an excuse.  They used a very weak one.  They destroyed Tech football in the process.  It still has not recovered.

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2 minutes ago, statsman said:

Bible: 2-0 vs TT

Cherry: 3-0

Price: 0-1

Royal: 14-4

Akers: 8-2

McWilliams: 3-2

Mackovic: 3-3

Brown: 13-3

Strong: 2-1

Herman: 3-1

Sarkisian: 2-1

I won’t disagree that Price was a shitty coach. 
 
I know. Maths are hard. 

Oh you're comparing them to Tech?  Well hell, i hope they beat less talented teams on the regular.  Gotdam water is wet.  LMAO.

Y'all pay for far better results that that...

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I'm not offering a morality judgement on the situation here, I'm simply saying that no state institution is paying anyone that they fire for cause except in the most extreme of circumstances. That's just how shit works in this state. I don't agree with the concept of sovereign immunity, but it's what we have. 


I also don't necessarily disagree with that the Tech higher ups handled the firing of Leach very poorly. I think if it happened today, none of it would have happened the way it did. The university President at the time despised Leach, was looking for any reason to fire him, and pressured the AD and Kent Hance to go through with it, using the testimony of the James kid.

I did think at the time it was very telling, or at least interesting, that Adam James remained on the team and was seemingly supported by the current players, but not necessarily all of the other coaches.

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3 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Tortillafans.com doesn't need to exist because everyone loves tortillas.

You know who didn't like tortillas? Hitler. That's who.

I believe he called the tortillas matzah. 

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8 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Aggy has hypothetical wins. Fantana has hypothetical SI claims on our behalf. Too bad we have never fired a coach, or he could have tested his theories.

Beard has to be the only coach Texas has ever fired for cause, isn't he? I guess Herman might have gotten there had he been able to stick around for longer.

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1 hour ago, Iceman said:

@statsmanI've more often wondered how Texas gets so many shitty coaches... 

More concerned with what happens at big, bad UT than you own school?

Yeah, that tracks. This is the kind of thinking that leads to things like random Iowa State/Kansas State fans in Dublin doing the Horns down for the TV cameras. 

Rent free, motherfuckers. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

More concerned with what happens at big, bad UT than you own school?

Yeah, that tracks. This is the kind of thinking that leads to things like random Iowa State/Kansas State fans in Dublin doing the Horns down for the TV cameras. 

Rent free, motherfuckers. 

 

 

I wonder why aggy is fucked up.
I wonder why people watch soccer.

Doesn't mean they "live rent free in my head."  But yeah, the Tech coaching trends track.  We'll get a decent coach about once a generation and run their ass off.  It's abnormal to wonder why Texas hasn't won more in the modern era?  It hardly dominates my interests, but yeah, it crosses the mind from time to time.  The ROI is garbage.

 

I'm gonna help you out with something, and any of the other little gatekeeper troll bois, There ain't shit you can say that would ever remotely approach my frustration with the self imposed damage Texas Tech University has done to the football program.  Let's work from there, shall we?

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1 hour ago, statsman said:

I’ve got a feeling we’re in for more photos of Donny Anderson

I mean y'all are obviously tired of arguing over whether Arch Manning's jock will be pink or purple this week...

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55 minutes ago, Hookem10 said:

-I thought tortilla throwing started because gardere said the best thing about Lubbock is the tortillas. Am I wrong ? 

As the legend goes, a TV announcer said before a Tech-Aggie game in 1992 that Lubbock had "nothing but Texas Tech football and a tortilla factory." I was in the Tech band for the '91-'92 seasons and didn't go to any games in fall '93, the semester I graduated, so the timing lines up, I suppose. Anyway, I never witnessed a tortilla being tossed at a game.

The fact that the statement would've prompted students to respond makes sense, because when I was on campus, AnM was despised much more than Texas fans probably realize, and to have to suffer such a slight in comparison to College Station at the time would've truly been insulting.

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God Dammit, Bolverk.  You made me think about the one thing about Tech that I was always a little jealous of as a Texas fan, and that was the band.  Y'all say what you want, IMO their band is the best in Texas.  

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5 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm not offering a morality judgement on the situation here, I'm simply saying that no state institution is paying anyone that they fire for cause except in the most extreme of circumstances. That's just how shit works in this state. I don't agree with the concept of sovereign immunity, but it's what we have. 


I also don't necessarily disagree with that the Tech higher ups handled the firing of Leach very poorly. I think if it happened today, none of it would have happened the way it did. The university President at the time despised Leach, was looking for any reason to fire him, and pressured the AD and Kent Hance to go through with it, using the testimony of the James kid.

I did think at the time it was very telling, or at least interesting, that Adam James remained on the team and was seemingly supported by the current players, but not necessarily all of the other coaches.

Tech fans have to wonder if its campaign not to be left behind would be a firmer ground had Leach been supported rather than harassed by a bunch of insecure men who appeared to be jealous of him.

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