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Women Semis summary:

4x1 qualified 6th fastest time

Garrett qualified in the 100H, 7th fastest time

FINAL - Foster got 7th in the long jump

Garrett qualified in the 400H, 2nd fastest time; Collins did not qualify (17th)

Davis qualified in the 200, 5th fastest time; Okuku did not qualify (21st)

FINAL - Ndubuisi 3rd in shot; Herpin 11th

 

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Cutting it ridiculously thin. Hopefully our women can do enough to get us the Cup. 

I'm no T/F expert, but I can't imagine Flo was brought in to produce such lackluster results.

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T/F can be all over the place.  A&M men, 4th at SEC, National Champs.  Auburn, 8th SEC, almost National Champs if they have a better 100m.  OU, 10th SEC, 6th Nationally.  That being said, like any sport teams vary year to year.  Florida is a good example.  They have the best staff right now and were 3x NC coming into this week, 12th SEC, 8th Nationally, never a player for the NC this year (but top 10 in a really down year).

Flo’s teams seem to be a little more inconsistent (results vary more) than most of the top programs.  He runs it like a business and it is a tough “produce, internally rank every week” system.  He has had better results on the women’s side than the men’s.

I have mentioned before on these forums that Lil’ Nigel plays D1 football and runs track (just finished redshirting his freshman year).  His training group has had a handful of athletes recruited by UT over the past 5 years.  All of them did not like their visits or get a good feeling from Coach Flo (and this is during competing for and winning national championships).  I don’t know what that means other than that is what happened.  Now, Pat Henry at A&M is track coaching royalty, but he is certainly no walk in the park either, and I can confirm that first hand.  But, he has a lot of skins on the wall, including yet another NC last night.  Dude recruits.

Flo, is not everyone’s cup of tea (no one is, including Henry) and he seems to find enough of his athletes to compete, but his program seems to be just on the outside of the “Top Programs.”

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11 hours ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Texas men finished in 34th place. The post-season meeting with coach Flo and CDC won't be roses and rainbows, especially if that's what cost us the directors cup. 

I’m going to hold your hand when I say this—no one cares about, or is getting fired because of, the Director’s Cup or us losing it. 

 

10 hours ago, AeroHorn said:

Time for an appointment at, say, Snook cemetery?

 

First off, Pat Henry is track royalty who hates, hates, hates, hates, hates Texas. He and Bev never got along and had a few spats back in the day when Henry was at LSU. What’s upsetting is the only reason he’s at A&M is because A&M promised him they’d build him whatever he wanted and LSU told him “no” because he was winning NCs at LSU without that stuff (and because LSU wanted that money for football because that’s all they care about). Henry started to slip a little as A&M hadn’t won in a while, and now they are back.

Flo was highly regarding coming out of Kentucky. The hire was a home run at the time. The post above is a good post about what it takes to be successful under him, and it sounds like it’s backfiring. 

As long as Henry is at A&M, they will have leverage over Texas because Henry can flash a ton of rings and Olympic success at recruits. Plus, he’s like the coach K of track coaches right now. I don’t think Flo is getting fired, but the results have been pretty lackluster since the highs of his first year or 2. 

Also, Texas’ problem is facilities as well. We don’t have an indoor facility (like other universities, especially our most main and major rivals) and our current outdoor track facility is outdated compared to other track complexes across the country.

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And I had my chance to hurt Henry about 12 years ago when I ran into him at that Wendy’s off 35 and 340 in Waco.

I should have punched him just for his vanity license plate.

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21 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I’m going to hold your hand when I say this—no one cares about, or is getting fired because of, the Director’s Cup or us losing it. 

 

 

First off, Pat Henry is track royalty who hates, hates, hates, hates, hates Texas. He and Bev never got along and had a few spats back in the day when Henry was at LSU. What’s upsetting is the only reason he’s at A&M is because A&M promised him they’d build him whatever he wanted and LSU told him “no” because he was winning NCs at LSU without that stuff (and because LSU wanted that money for football because that’s all they care about). Henry started to slip a little as A&M hadn’t won in a while, and now they are back.

Flo was highly regarding coming out of Kentucky. The hire was a home run at the time. The post above is a good post about what it takes to be successful under him, and it sounds like it’s backfiring. 

As long as Henry is at A&M, they will have leverage over Texas because Henry can flash a ton of rings and Olympic success at recruits. Plus, he’s like the coach K of track coaches right now. I don’t think Flo is getting fired, but the results have been pretty lackluster since the highs of his first year or 2. 

Also, Texas’ problem is facilities as well. We don’t have an indoor facility (like other universities, especially our most main and major rivals) and our current outdoor track facility is outdated compared to other track complexes across the country.


 

Honestly, the women’s track and field team has outperformed the men’s in recent years. Matter of fact I don’t ever remember the men’s team being that good or competing for NCAA Titles & What frustrates me most about our T&F program is the lack of top-tier sprinters and overall recruiting. Track and field is arguably more reliant on recruiting than even football, yet we haven’t consistently brought in the best talent.

 

When you look at the performances at Texas high school state meets, there’s no reason our men’s and women’s teams shouldn’t be national contenders every year—placing no lower than top 10.

 

I do agree that our facilities need a serious upgrade. Maybe that’s why CDC hasn’t made a change yet—he might be holding off until he can equip the program with better recruiting tools. But with everything else going on across Texas athletics, I’m not sure how high that is on his priority list. I guess we’ll see.

 

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To be fair, Texas men and women were runners up in ‘22, with the women winning in ‘23.  Again, to me it’s the feeling of being just outside the top tier in consistency that is troubling.

Regarding facilities, if you are ever able, you need to go to Hayward Field at Oregon.  It is the best facility for any sport in college athletics.  It is truly fantastic.  I have been to A&M’s new facility and have a split view on it. it is really nice, but it’s like they could only finish half because of funding (see: Jimbo).  It’s not what it could be, but still really nice.

Scattershooting here, if I am Texas, I look really big picture and see about a multi-use facility at the current location that doubles as a premier track facility and hosting HS football games in the fall (like The Star up in Frisco, but mainly for track).  3/4 covered or something to handle the heat for track and potential rain for spectators.  Huge financial undertaking, but now is the time when the money is flowing.

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I cared about winning the Cup because, why wouldn't I want Texas to win it? I want us undefeated in everything forever. But alas, despite 2 national championships and a sound thrashing of the SEC across the board this year, we jacked around and blew it...evidently because we can't recruit/coach enough great T&F athletes in a state loaded with them. I think Texas State's 2 high jumpers outscored our men's team. That ain't gonna cut it. 

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On 6/14/2025 at 9:09 AM, Pancho said:

Also, Texas’ problem is facilities as well. We don’t have an indoor facility (like other universities, especially our most main and major rivals) and our current outdoor track facility is outdated compared to other track complexes across the country.

Just looked it up and can't believe Myers opened in 1999. We old, bros.

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21 hours ago, jeevsie said:

Just looked it up and can't believe Myers opened in 1999. We old, bros.

 

Yup, it’s really outdated. I thought there was a long term plan with the track and soccer field? Someone might be able to find it. 

 

So based on the job postings there were some firings on the staff with one of them looking like it occurred before the NCAAs? Either that or we’re hiring more (but it looks like firings)

 

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On 6/14/2025 at 11:06 AM, Nigel Tufnel said:

To be fair, Texas men and women were runners up in ‘22, with the women winning in ‘23.  Again, to me it’s the feeling of being just outside the top tier in consistency that is troubling.

 

The big issue with Flo is hes as invested in training pro athletes in Austin for the Olympics as he is Texas. But thats also attracting some big time recruits to come here on the womens side. Elise Cooper is coming here to train with Alfred and Flo for the Olympics. Same with a couple others in this recruiting class. I do wonder if Texas needs 2 separate track coaches for both the women and men. Flos focus is on the womens side and training all these pro womens athletes for the Olympics. 

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2 hours ago, avidhornslurker said:

The big issue with Flo is hes as invested in training pro athletes in Austin for the Olympics as he is Texas. But thats also attracting some big time recruits to come here on the womens side. Elise Cooper is coming here to train with Alfred and Flo for the Olympics. Same with a couple others in this recruiting class. I do wonder if Texas needs 2 separate track coaches for both the women and men. Flos focus is on the womens side and training all these pro womens athletes for the Olympics. 

That could be a smart choice imo.  Wouldn’t be opposed to that at all

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2 hours ago, avidhornslurker said:

The big issue with Flo is hes as invested in training pro athletes in Austin for the Olympics as he is Texas. But thats also attracting some big time recruits to come here on the womens side. Elise Cooper is coming here to train with Alfred and Flo for the Olympics. Same with a couple others in this recruiting class. I do wonder if Texas needs 2 separate track coaches for both the women and men. Flos focus is on the womens side and training all these pro womens athletes for the Olympics. 

While I agree that is part of it, Flo is not unique in training pros.  Coach Holloway and his staff at Florida (probably the best in the country the past several years) train a bunch of professionals and have several Olympic medals to show for it.  Quincey Watts at USC and several other coaches around the country train as well.  

At least as of a couple of years ago, what was a bit different for Flo was that he did not separate training the pros with his UT athletes.  On one hand you can say that is good for the college athletes to train above them, but you can also point to it taking away from the college athlete coaching because the coach’s time is taken up with pros as well.  Most coaches train their professionals in separate sessions (pros in the morning and college athletes in the afternoon).

No coach is everyone’s cup of tea and Flo runs things very much like a business, not a lot of sunshine.  They rank athletes every week and it can be a very stressful environment.  It would be more comfortable if it looked like what Florida has put together (even without as many National Championships).  But it does work, and although Flo has not been as consistent as Florida, Arky, A&M, LSU, USC, and now UGA, he is certainly closer on the women’s side.

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3 hours ago, avidhornslurker said:

The big issue with Flo is hes as invested in training pro athletes in Austin for the Olympics as he is Texas. But thats also attracting some big time recruits to come here on the womens side. Elise Cooper is coming here to train with Alfred and Flo for the Olympics. Same with a couple others in this recruiting class. I do wonder if Texas needs 2 separate track coaches for both the women and men. Flos focus is on the womens side and training all these pro womens athletes for the Olympics. 

IMO they just need to increase T&F staff size overall especially on the support staff.

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1 hour ago, Nigel Tufnel said:

While I agree that is part of it, Flo is not unique in training pros.  Coach Holloway and his staff at Florida (probably the best in the country the past several years) train a bunch of professionals and have several Olympic medals to show for it.  Quincey Watts at USC and several other coaches around the country train as well.  

At least as of a couple of years ago, what was a bit different for Flo was that he did not separate training the pros with his UT athletes.  On one hand you can say that is good for the college athletes to train above them, but you can also point to it taking away from the college athlete coaching because the coach’s time is taken up with pros as well.  Most coaches train their professionals in separate sessions (pros in the morning and college athletes in the afternoon).

No coach is everyone’s cup of tea and Flo runs things very much like a business, not a lot of sunshine.  They rank athletes every week and it can be a very stressful environment.  It would be more comfortable if it looked like what Florida has put together (even without as many National Championships).  But it does work, and although Flo has not been as consistent as Florida, Arky, A&M, LSU, USC, and now UGA, he is certainly closer on the women’s side.

Texas is going to be good and most likely national championship good for the foreseeable future on the womens side. 1 all-worldly sprinter gives you a chance and they now have that with Cooper. 

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I know he has signed a lot of Europeans to come in on the men’s side. Some of them have elite times. He also just signed a kid from Jamaica that ran a 13.11 in the 110 hurdles which I think was their U18 record. Think he also runs a 10.34 100, which would probably help the 4x100.

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