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32 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Okay listen dumb ass

why would i listen to you when a)you’re an asshole, and b)you’ve proven to be the least objective poster in this entire thread which is really saying something)?

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29 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Okay listen dumb ass. Sometimes you need to leave the conversation to people that understand football.

If you are in 12 personnel. You know double tight ends on the field, and most of the time running some type of play action where one of them stays in to block, you are going to be looking at 3 receivers out in routes vs your opponent dropping 7. Now I know this is hard for you to grasp but 3 receivers vs 7 dropping is more difficult than 5 receivers vs 7 dropping. Why? Because your opponent has the ability to double team all three, vs with 5 3 of them are single covered. PLUS 5 wide makes the defense have to declare their coverage.

That is not an excuse. That is simple football 101. The NFL used to have completion percentages in the 50's back before they realized 3 and 4 receivers was a good idea. Now, there are examples of this in multiple games this year where Sark would open it up for a quarter or two and inexplicably start calling heavy runs sets and grind the offense to a halt. Go look at the second Georgia game. Watch the first quarter and change where Ewers was 11-15 for 169. We were playing fast and pretty open.

Now, since you don't seem to see logic in what I am telling you, explain why Colt's completion percentage jumped from the 60's to the 70's his first two years to his last two years. Then explain why his NFL career percentage was back down to 62%. What did we do differently? I will wait patiently for your answer.

tldr 

Colt was good until he went to the browns they suck ass

He would’ve been fine in a legit pro style offense

Quinn is going to need to speed up his reads and get some pocket presence or he’s probably never going to play in the NFL. It’s doable though I’m hoping he gets to sit a couple years at least and learn an offense before he gets thrown out there.

 

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11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

wrong quote

 

 

36 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Okay listen dumb ass. Sometimes you need to leave the conversation to people that understand football.

If you are in 12 personnel. You know double tight ends on the field, and most of the time running some type of play action where one of them stays in to block, you are going to be looking at 3 receivers out in routes vs your opponent dropping 7. Now I know this is hard for you to grasp but 3 receivers vs 7 dropping is more difficult than 5 receivers vs 7 dropping. Why? Because your opponent has the ability to double team all three, vs with 5 3 of them are single covered. PLUS 5 wide makes the defense have to declare their coverage.

That is not an excuse. That is simple football 101. The NFL used to have completion percentages in the 50's back before they realized 3 and 4 receivers was a good idea. Now, there are examples of this in multiple games this year where Sark would open it up for a quarter or two and inexplicably start calling heavy runs sets and grind the offense to a halt. Go look at the second Georgia game. Watch the first quarter and change where Ewers was 11-15 for 169. We were playing fast and pretty open.

Now, since you don't seem to see logic in what I am telling you, explain why Colt's completion percentage jumped from the 60's to the 70's his first two years to his last two years. Then explain why his NFL career percentage was back down to 62%. What did we do differently? I will wait patiently for your answer.

Ok listen, you actually understand football, so that makes you very very smart.

But you're also trying to change Derka's point of view. And that's... not as smart.

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38 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

 

Ok listen, you actually understand football, so that makes you very very smart.

But you're also trying to change Derka's point of view. And that's... not as smart.

yeah, the guy who thinks that quinn ewers is tom brady “knows football”. at this point i’m shocked that he hasn’t been hired by any of the resident $9.95 UT slurper pay sites. as evidenced by this thread, people can’t get enough of thatguy’s “let me break down this film and explain to you why it’s kelvin banks’s fault that quinn ewers overthrew his wr by 10 yards here while also visibly wincing due to a pass rush that was three seconds away from being a threat.” yeah he’s sooooooo reputable. 🙄 

i don’t give a shit if it turns out that thatguy is bill belichick, he’s so undeniably wrong (and stubborn) about quinn ewers that he has zero credibility in this thread. he literally can’t admit that quinn ewers could possibly be responsible for any of Texas’s shortcomings over the last three years. it’s a running joke at this point.

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next season, when first-year-starter arch manning is playing at a level that quinn ewers could never aspire to, i’m going to be very very interested to see thatguy’s takes on him. my gut says that thatguy is so emotionally invested in QE that he’ll spend the entire fall explaining to us why arch isn’t any better than quinn was as he throws for 300 and runs for 80 with 4 total td’s, displaying physical and mental skills that quinn ewers’ agent could only dream of. i really can’t wait to see the latest edition of thatguy’s highly celebrated UT football fan fiction. 

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6 hours ago, Derka said:

yeah, the guy who thinks that quinn ewers is tom brady “knows football”.

Could you please stop this bullshit and argue with the guy in good faith?

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7 hours ago, Derka said:

why would i listen to you when a)you’re an asshole, and b)you’ve proven to be the least objective poster in this entire thread which is really saying something)?

I will not let you dodge the question. You challenged what I said about completion percentages and accuracy. I will not let you dodge the question. In Colt's first two years he was a mid 60's completion percentage passer. His last two years his completion percentage jumped to the 70's. What changed to make that happened and then changed back when he got to the pros? Answer the question.

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7 hours ago, Zeus said:

tldr 

Colt was good until he went to the browns they suck ass

He would’ve been fine in a legit pro style offense

Quinn is going to need to speed up his reads and get some pocket presence or he’s probably never going to play in the NFL. It’s doable though I’m hoping he gets to sit a couple years at least and learn an offense before he gets thrown out there.

 

As I said previously. There was nothing magic about it. The more receivers on the field the easier it is to throw the football. Colt was a regular passer his first two years until we decided to start playing primarily 4 wide receivers. That's when his completion percentage went through the roof. Once he got into the pros and went back to passing out of pro sets his passer rating went back down. It was as simple as that.

About Quinn's reads its the opposite. He goes through his progressions TOO fast. He needs to slow down and not come off reads so early. Probably because he was worried about the pass rush.

 

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7 hours ago, Derka said:

yeah, the guy who thinks that quinn ewers is tom brady “knows football”. at this point i’m shocked that he hasn’t been hired by any of the resident $9.95 UT slurper pay sites. as evidenced by this thread, people can’t get enough of thatguy’s “let me break down this film and explain to you why it’s kelvin banks’s fault that quinn ewers overthrew his wr by 10 yards here while also visibly wincing due to a pass rush that was three seconds away from being a threat.” yeah he’s sooooooo reputable. 🙄 

i don’t give a shit if it turns out that thatguy is bill belichick, he’s so undeniably wrong (and stubborn) about quinn ewers that he has zero credibility in this thread. he literally can’t admit that quinn ewers could possibly be responsible for any of Texas’s shortcomings over the last three years. it’s a running joke at this point.

Lol. Unhinged.

 

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

As I said previously. There was nothing magic about it. The more receivers on the field the easier it is to throw the football. Colt was a regular passer his first two years until we decided to start playing primarily 4 wide receivers. That's when his completion percentage went through the roof. Once he got into the pros and went back to passing out of pro sets his passer rating went back down. It was as simple as that.

About Quinn's reads its the opposite. He goes through his progressions TOO fast. He needs to slow down and not come off reads so early. Probably because he was worried about the pass rush.

 

Seems like you would say that Quinn is a good fit for this offense but not a great fit.  Arch may be a better fit though.  Is that a fair statement?

Great posts.

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Here is the midpoint on completion percentage at each depth:

Deep                 36.4%   Only 7 guys above 50%

Intermediate     54.6%

Short                  74.4%

Behind the LOS  90.3%.  106 of 126 are above 85%.

 

So again, using completion percentage on a standalone basis when other data is fairly readily available is not a good indicator.  If you stay short and behind the LOS, if you do that in an equal ratio, the average guy is around 83-84%.  That same consideration for intermediate/deep is around 45%.
 

The fact is, and strongly supported by the numbers, that if you push the ball down the field, the completion percentage goes down.  
 

At this time, I am looking up the numbers as I type.  Well will go Dart, Ewers, Shough.

Ewers on deep/intermediate is at 34% of drop backs.  At short/behind the LOS, he’s at 60%.  On the first grouping he’s at 47% completion percentage.  83% at the shorter depths.  Overall completion percentage at 65.8%.

Dart.  44.4%/49.8%.  56.5% completion percentage deep/int and 88.4% short/los.  Overall completion percentage is 69.2%.

Shough.  31.9%/58.5% on target breakdown.  52.8% and 77.2%.  Overall completion percentage is 62.1%.

 

This tells you some things about Dart relative to the other two.  Ewers looks better than Shough.  Shough is behind the LOS 13% of the time, 10% of those are screens.  Ewers is at 28% with a 17.5% screen ratio.  So when parsed a bit more Ewers gains about 2% completion points compared to Shough because he goes even shorter more often.

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6 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

This tells you some things about Dart relative to the other two.  Ewers looks better than Shough. 

Interesting analysis, thanks.  One would think it doesn't tell the whole story, especially since Shough went in round 2 as opposed to round 7.  Ewers' tendency to get injured and his lack of pocket presence are likely the biggest differentiators, no?

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There’s a ton of variables in this.  I’m not certain there’s a good measure for determining a baseline of accuracy.  There’s certainly a good team/bad team element.  Heavy screen game versus limited screen game.  Pass protection matters.  The receivers ability to get in and out of their route creating separation.  I’d guess going 5 wide creates a shorter average depth of target because that’s now your run game.  Heavy play action matters.  It’s helpful to be successful in that game running the ball but not imperative because the D worked to shut it down likely in favor of allowing passing opportunities.  Some QBs will be better spread, some better pro set.  Some dudes will be in the wrong system.

 

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13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Interesting analysis, thanks.  One would think it doesn't tell the whole story, especially since Shough went in round 2 as opposed to round 7.  Ewers' tendency to get injured and his lack of pocket presence are likely the biggest differentiators, no?

I’d probably always say there’s more to it.  Shough is big and straight line fast so he gets the “I hope he’s like Josh Allen.”  As much as I critique Ewers, and/or criticize, I think both guys have possibilities.  Now, in my opinion, it shifts to how can a guy process from pre-snap to post snap.  Within that, it may not even be about that first read but do I know where that coverages dictates I go with second and third options.  That’s repetitions.  That’s film study.  That’s knowing your playbook inside and out.

That is why I’ve said I think Sark has prepared Ewers better than some but then it’s his work ethic to learn that mental side so the physical component becomes less rushed, if that makes sense.

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45 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Interesting analysis, thanks.  One would think it doesn't tell the whole story, especially since Shough went in round 2 as opposed to round 7.  Ewers' tendency to get injured and his lack of pocket presence are likely the biggest differentiators, no?

Shough is 6'5 220 lbs well built frame, ran a 4.63 40,  has a much stronger arm than Ewers, both have had injury issues, but I think the biggest issue is whomever advised Quinn to not workout at combine outside of throwing absolutely failed him for this draft. He wasn't good enough to only throw and it showed in the draft. If he runs a 4.6-4.7 at the combine it only stood to help him. 

 

From Nivek's favorite analytics guy:

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The willingness to unload the football deep down the field jumps off the charts when watching Tyler Shough. Not only does he have an elastic arm with plenty of zip, but he was on-target on over 58 percent of his looks of 25 yards or more down the field(This is above average historically).

Shough does not opt to throw the ball outside of the numbers often, both a personal choice and design of the offense to keep his eyes working over the middle. On a limited size throwing outside the numbers at the intermediate level, however, Shough connected at an exceptional 73 percent.

Shough is below average throwing over the middle of the field though, on-target at just a 67 percent clip. This is the third-lowest in the class.

His ball placement and accuracy profile is the weirdest in the class though. Shough has the lowest raw accuracy percentage in the class at just 75 percent, but given his ability to connect at the most explosive levels of the field, his Weighted On-Target Percentage receives a significant boost.

Overall, Shough’s ability to consistently connect deep down the field and along the boundary, allowing his receivers to create explosive plays for the Louisville offense, brings his final Weighted On-Target Percentage to 66.89 percent.

vs Quinn from same guy

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It’s tough to watch Ewers try to drive a football toward the boundaries. He was on-target on just 46% of these looks, the lowest number I’ve ever charted to that level of the field. He’s also on-target on a sub-50% clip throwing the ball deep down the field as well. He was on-target on just 45% there as well. While he was a bit more accurate over the middle at 65%, this number is still a massive 5% below average historically.

 

 

So basically Shough is bigger, faster, throws intermediate slightly better than Quinn, drives the ball downfield far better than Quinn, and etc as to the discrepancy in draft positions given similar injury history. 

 

Interesting that he refers to Shough at 67% below average and Quinn comes in at 65% at intermediate.

 

If this guy can see this in his charting there is no reason to think that NFL scouts, analytics guys, etc don't also see the same things when analyzing film and charting potential QBs.

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13 hours ago, MrBig said:

So when Quinn throws 10-19 yards…

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14 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s 57th percentile in the last 5 years of college football. So pretty much the definition of average.

Last year in the NFL the top 50% of starting QBs ranged anywhere from 60% OTR up to 80% for 10-19 yards but most were bunched between 65%ish-74%ish. There were outliers like Jalen Hurts who had OTR in that range as high as 89% and Jacoby Brisset who was down near 50%. Arguably, it's a more important metric that under 10 or 20+. Burrow, Mahomes, and Geno Smith played in offenses that emphasized the short game--more than 500 attempts each under 10 yards, and you had passing attempts under 10 ranging anywhere from well over 500 attempts to just over 250. In contrast, the highest OTR QB 20+ was Justin Hebert at nearly 75%...but on 30ish attempts, not 500. But pretty much every starting QB had roughly 70-100 attempts between 10-20 yards.

I don't know how FBS shook out last year overall. 57th percentile may be middling, or it may be a standard deviation or more away from mean. In my opinion, that doesn't make Ewers an overall accurate QB. It doesn't mean he's inaccurate either.

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Here's how Miami's QB situation will go:

Tua will get concussed;

MILF hunter will come in and suck;

Ewers will come in and play well - giving the Dolphins fans hope - then get injured because he always does;

Miami trades (on an overpay) for Kirk Cousins.

 

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2 hours ago, Had Enough said:

Here is the midpoint on completion percentage at each depth:

Deep                 36.4%   Only 7 guys above 50%

Intermediate     54.6%

Short                  74.4%

Behind the LOS  90.3%.  106 of 126 are above 85%.

So again, using completion percentage on a standalone basis when other data is fairly readily available is not a good indicator.  If you stay short and behind the LOS, if you do that in an equal ratio, the average guy is around 83-84%.  That same consideration for intermediate/deep is around 45%.
The fact is, and strongly supported by the numbers, that if you push the ball down the field, the completion percentage goes down.  
At this time, I am looking up the numbers as I type.  Well will go Dart, Ewers, Shough.

Ewers on deep/intermediate is at 34% of drop backs.  At short/behind the LOS, he’s at 60%.  On the first grouping he’s at 47% completion percentage.  83% at the shorter depths.  Overall completion percentage at 65.8%.

Dart.  44.4%/49.8%.  56.5% completion percentage deep/int and 88.4% short/los.  Overall completion percentage is 69.2%.

Shough.  31.9%/58.5% on target breakdown.  52.8% and 77.2%.  Overall completion percentage is 62.1%.

This tells you some things about Dart relative to the other two.  Ewers looks better than Shough.  Shough is behind the LOS 13% of the time, 10% of those are screens.  Ewers is at 28% with a 17.5% screen ratio.  So when parsed a bit more Ewers gains about 2% completion points compared to Shough because he goes even shorter more often.

This is good analysis, very helpful. But as others have pointed out, it doesn't tell the whole story. My first thoughts are (1) who is Shough throwing to vs. who is Ewers throwing to? I assume that Texas had a significant advantage in the receiver department over Louisville. (2) Who is blocking for these guys and what does their run game look like? It's easier to complete passes when the threat of a run game is holding the defense back, or when the o-line can give the QB more time. Not sure who has the edge here overall, but I'm fairly confident that Texas has the better o-line. (3) What defenses are they going up against? Not to indulge the SEC circlejerk, but I'm pretty sure SEC defenses are going to make a QB look worse than he does against ACC defenses. 

I just don't think there's a meaningful system for parsing through these data points. Statistics require context, and context relies on overall picture. You can explain away bad numbers and argue why those numbers are the real story depending on whatever your bias happens to be. It's still a useful endeavor, but I just don't think there are definitive answers to be gleaned from stats and narrative alone. 

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Interesting analysis, thanks.  One would think it doesn't tell the whole story, especially since Shough went in round 2 as opposed to round 7.  Ewers' tendency to get injured and his lack of pocket presence are likely the biggest differentiators, no?

For my money, this is the biggest reason why Ewers dropped to the 7th round. He's not a day one QB. Arguably not even a day two QB, although I think reasonable minds can differ. This is where the data- and narrative-driven arguments come into play. Is he a third round guy, or do you wait to see if he's still available tomorrow? But even if teams are using stats and context to argue about whether Ewers is a third round guy or a fifth round guy, none of them are going to be comfortable with his injury history. He has a slight build and does not weather injuries well. To be clear, I think the kid is nails. I think it's beyond question that he is tough. He is willing to play hurt. But that doesn't mean much when playing hurt dramatically limits him and lowers the quality of his play. What good is your backup QB if he is constantly at risk of being injured? I'd rather take a guy who more limited in terms of ability but is built like a tank for my back up, because at least I know I'll have someone to put on the field. 

Finally - here's a couple of Quinn gifs that I think are pertinent to this issue, both from the Michigan game. I'm not the best football mind on this board, which is already a low bar, so please understand that this is just my amateur interpretation:

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This was our first "third and long" as we tried to get in gear. It's a pure drop back where Ewers has a clean pocket. He throws off his front foot (good), but is hopping around with those goddamn happy feet (bad). The WR (Bond) is right where he needs to be in between defenders. The throw is, frankly, not great. He throws the ball late, leads Bond by too much, and does not anticipate the safety coming over in coverage. It's fine by college standards, but this gets picked off 9/10 in the NFL. This is back from when Bond still gave a shit and he makes a great play athletically - this reception is more about Bond than it is about Ewers. 

Statistically, this gets logged as a intermediate / deep completion. Yay Quinn. But context shows that this was not a great throw, especially considering how clean the pocket was and how good our WR are. If I'm an NFL scout, this play makes me way more interested in the right side of our OL and our WR than it does our QB. Next - 

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This is the TD we scored on a fast drive just before half. It's almost the polar opposite of the gif I posted above. Ewers is rolling out, several defenders coming free off the line and in pursuit. The play is fast and tight by design, with Golden being the only real target and only in the front corner of the end zone. There are defenders moving into coverage as Ewers throw the ball, just in time and in just the right spot, all while on the move. Ewers puts it where no one except Golden can catch the ball. And he does all of this while running. Golden runs a solid route, but it is nothing special. He hits his marks and catches the ball, but the play is made by Ewers. 

This will only get logged as a 5-yard completion, but the play itself is impressive. If I'm an NFL scout, I see this is where Ewers shines. Off platform throws, close to the line, that require perfect touch rather than power. That's a rare skill and the kind of play that draws comparisons to Mahomes (note, I'm not saying that Ewers is as good as Mahomes, just that this is a Mahomes-ian play). 

But Ewers can't make these kinds of plays if he's injured. On the move, throwing across his body, when timing and accuracy really matter? No, not with an injured oblique. He can't get enough zip on the ball with just his arms. So he can't do the things he does best when he's injured, and you're left with the rest of Ewers' game. And the rest of Ewers' game is limited. Not garbage and certainly not a liability, but limited. 

If I'm an NFL scout, the things I like best about Ewers are the things he can't do for most of the season, because he keeps getting hurt. So I won't take a risk on him when there are other options on the table. 

Disclaimer: I post on here for the enjoyable discussion and to learn. If you think I've missed something or disagree with my interpretation of the film, and welcome the feedback. I'm not interested in joining the ongoing flamewar, however, and will probably not respond to bad faith assholes. 

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I thought we were in agreement that completion percentage wasn’t the same thing as accuracy? Ewers had good ball placement on those routes. Downfield he was horrible after Bama two seasons ago.

I could argue that he was precise with his down field passes. His accuracy was off, but he missed his receiver often the same way.

/thanks to Magnus for catching my mistake.
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Just now, Nivek said:


I could argue that he was highly accurate with his down field passes. His precision was off, but he missed his receiver often the same way.

That may be, but I think you may have flipped the usual senses of accuracy and precision.

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I will not let you dodge the question. You challenged what I said about completion percentages and accuracy. I will not let you dodge the question. In Colt's first two years he was a mid 60's completion percentage passer. His last two years his completion percentage jumped to the 70's. What changed to make that happened and then changed back when he got to the pros? Answer the question.

His strategy is to ignore what you asked for 3-4 pages/days then ask what you are talking about.

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13 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

(3) What defenses are they going up against? Not to indulge the SEC circlejerk, but I'm pretty sure SEC defenses are going to make a QB look worse than he does against ACC defenses. 

Someone else probably has defense-only stats, but I will note that Sagarin has the Texas strength of schedule as #7, and Louisville's as #48.  Does that reflect the quality of defense each QB faced?  Probably not, but I have no idea in which direction the error is, much less the magnitude.

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10 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I could argue that he was highly accurate with his down field passes.

and i could argue that im skinny and mentally stable, but that wouldn’t be true either, would it?

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4 hours ago, Thatguy said:

I will not let you dodge the question. You challenged what I said about completion percentages and accuracy.

dude you are confusing me with someone else.

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5 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Could you please stop this bullshit and argue with the guy in good faith?

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first off, not sure how anything i’ve said here hasn’t been in good faith, but second, holy irony batman! accusing someone of not arguing in good faith with a guy who literally will not accept any criticisms of our wildly flawed qb is a hilarious ask. i mean he’s currently over here badgering me about some argument that he’s having with some other person on this thread. that’s what you call “good faith”? lol ok.

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That may be, but I think you may have flipped the usual senses of accuracy and precision.

I typed that backwards. Thank you for catching that.
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13 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I could argue that he was highly accurate with his down field passes. His precision was off, but he missed his receiver often the same way.

You make a good point. As physical concepts I mostly think of accuracy and precision as interchangeable and receiver-relative, like placing the ball over the outside shoulder rather than the inside shoulder, for example. Ewers threw to the same spot regardless of where the receiver was. From a field-relative standpoint, he's accurate. From a receiver-relative standpoint, he's accurate on certain routes and not others. A lot of these guys who trained with the same small groups of private coaches have outstanding field-relative accuracy. 

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2 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

From a field-relative standpoint, he's accurate. From a receiver-relative standpoint, he's accurate on certain routes and not others.

what does this mean?

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48 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Last year in the NFL the top 50% of starting QBs ranged anywhere from 60% OTR up to 80% for 10-19 yards but most were bunched between 65%ish-74%ish. There were outliers like Jalen Hurts who had OTR in that range as high as 89% and Jacoby Brisset who was down near 50%. Arguably, it's a more important metric that under 10 or 20+. Burrow, Mahomes, and Geno Smith played in offenses that emphasized the short game--more than 500 attempts each under 10 yards, and you had passing attempts under 10 ranging anywhere from well over 500 attempts to just over 250. In contrast, the highest OTR QB 20+ was Justin Hebert at nearly 75%...but on 30ish attempts, not 500. But pretty much every starting QB had roughly 70-100 attempts between 10-20 yards.

I don't know how FBS shook out last year overall. 57th percentile may be middling, or it may be a standard deviation or more away from mean. In my opinion, that doesn't make Ewers an overall accurate QB. It doesn't mean he's inaccurate either.

So if someone isn’t accurate, what’s the word for that?

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4 minutes ago, Derka said:

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first off, not sure how anything i’ve said here hasn’t been in good faith, but second, holy irony batman! accusing someone of not arguing in good faith with a guy who literally will not accept any criticisms of our wildly flawed qb is a hilarious ask. i mean he’s currently over here badgering me about some argument that he’s having with some other person on this thread. that’s what you call “good faith”? lol ok.

I was specifically referring to you implying that he thinks of Ewers as Tom Brady.  Let's not get too far over our skis in assessing an inability to deal with criticism of one's position.

Again, produce the "receipts" that you claim to have.  You continue to fail to do so, likely because you just make shit up to bolster your "arguments".

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26 minutes ago, Nivek said:

See request for receipts.

yeah well if either of you could post the receipts of me “challenging thatguy on his views vis a vis accuracy vs precision” or whatever it is that’s led to this question that i’m supposedly dodging that would really help me out, because right now it appears that both of you are confusing me with someone else whom thatguy is trying to convince that QE etherially floats above us.

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Again, produce the "receipts" that you claim to have. 

seriously, what are y’all talking about? what receipts? what claims? i have absolutely zero clue what you’re talking about. i believe i have a receipt from the olive garden somewhere around here. is that what you’re looking for?

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19 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

You make a good point. As physical concepts I mostly think of accuracy and precision as interchangeable and receiver-relative, like placing the ball over the outside shoulder rather than the inside shoulder, for example. Ewers threw to the same spot regardless of where the receiver was. From a field-relative standpoint, he's accurate. From a receiver-relative standpoint, he's accurate on certain routes and not others. A lot of these guys who trained with the same small groups of private coaches have outstanding field-relative accuracy. 

Except he wasn't accurate even throwing to spots down field. One thing that is unanimous in this thread is that Quinn Ewers fucking sucks at throwing deep balls and he's not accurate whether he's throwing deep to a spot or a receiver. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Except he wasn't accurate even throwing to spots down field.

There's a gif a few posts up from the Michigan game that disproves that. He throws downfield to a place where only the receiver can get and actually has to lean forward for it. In all fairness there are plenty of examples of throws like this and throws where he's off-target. Maybe you mean he "mostly" wasn't accurate downfield? I can agree with that for 2024, especially later in the season.

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1 minute ago, AnotherLawyer said:

There's a gif a few posts up from the Michigan game that disproves that. He throws downfield to a place where only the receiver can get and actually has to lean forward for it. In all fairness there are plenty of examples of throws like this and throws where he's off-target. Maybe you mean he "mostly" wasn't accurate downfield? I can agree with that for 2024, especially later in the season.

Are you by autistic by chance?

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1 minute ago, AnotherLawyer said:

There's a gif a few posts up from the Michigan game that disproves that.

first off one gif doesn’t prove anything. secondly, using clips from the michigan game as representation of QE’s overall body of work? talk about not arguing in good faith.

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I'm not sure if this applies to football, but in shooting "accuracy" refers to how close your shots are to your target. If you're aiming for the bullseye, how close are you getting to the bullseye? In contrast, "precision" refers to how consistently are you putting shots in the same place, i.e., how tight are your groupings? Here is a helpful chart:

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Please stop hooting at each other like a pack of retards squabbling about the meaning of already well-defined terms.

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2 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I'm not sure if this applies to football, but in shooting "accuracy" refers to how close your shots are to your target.

 

2 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Please stop hooting at each other like a pack of retards squabbling about the meaning of already well-defined terms.

“not sure if this applies here…”

”…well defined terms.”

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16 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Except he wasn't accurate even throwing to spots down field. One thing that is unanimous in this thread is that Quinn Ewers fucking sucks at throwing deep balls and he's not accurate whether he's throwing deep to a spot or a receiver. 

Cannot hit a post to save his life, but if we are talking about a go route down the sideline he was nails.  Corner routes seem to be 50/50 propositions.

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9 minutes ago, Derka said:

first off one gif doesn’t prove anything. secondly, using clips from the michigan game as representation of QE’s overall body of work? talk about not arguing in good faith.

Again, that's not what I said. He made a definitive, simplistic black-and-white "never" statement. There's a gif that shows "never" is false. "He's inaccurate." "Here's a gif where he's accurate."

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3 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Cannot hit a post to save his life, but if we are talking about a go route down the sideline he was nails.  Corner routes seem to be 50/50 propositions.

I don't think you can say he was nails on any deep portion of the field, he may have hit a handful over his three years but that doesn't mean he was nails.

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on our one and only scoring drive of the 2H vs asu we converted a 3rd and 10 on a go route to matthew golden. the ball did not lead the speedy golden, in fact it was a bit under thrown (a product of lofting every single pass you make) and towards the sideline. an accurate pass which led golden would have been a TD. instead golden had to adjust to the pass and jump towards the boundary to catch it. 

 

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