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I think we're gonna find that Arch gets the ball out more quickly than Ewers did and that will give the Receivers and RBs extra time to make their moves and break free. This should be Sark's bread and butter. We'll see some quick throws turn into long gainers. Needless to say Manning will have a better feel for the pocket and will get us a few extra first downs with his legs. Seems like Ewers had a tendency to lower his head. Arch needs to get out of bounds after five or fifteen yards and stay healthy. If he can connect on the long balls look out. Combine good pocket movement with a couple of speedy receivers and all hell will break loose.

Would like to see a couple of sixty point offensive blowouts. Add one or two fifty point efforts. It'll be pretty sweet.

Back in the day the Horns used to beat the piss out of almost everybody. Remember Navy with Staubach. #1 vs. #2? Texas 28-6 or something like that.

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12 minutes ago, deech said:

 

I like the kid also, but the hype is out of control.  Glad someone said it.  It's getting stupider and stupider.

I like the Film Guy more and more.  Thats a great take about the hype Arch gets. 

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But before we can start awarding ourselves Victoria Crosses and Congressional Medals of Honors and National Championships and so on and so forth and such like, I think I better point out that (1). We are now preseason number 1 and have a target on our back, (2). We have no hope whatsoever of getting a break from the feckless sports media and that (3). This neck of the woods will soon be crawling with bad tempered aggy, hillbillies from the north and inbred sister fuckers from Arkansas and (4). I don't think that our genius Sgt. Miller there has even got a box of matches left in his suitcase. 

And so therefore, I think we can take it, that gentlemen, we are going to have a very long walk home this season.

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2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Making their stories.  Same with voting Texas number 1 and then writing about how we shouldn’t be number 1 and are a dog in game 1 (without really mentioning it’s @ number 2/3 defending champ).  
 

And if they didn't play tOSU, we'd hear constantly how Arch hasn't played against many stout defenses.  They're playing, we'll get a treat to see who is legit, and the loser burns through their schedule in the hopes of a rematch down the road. It'll happen early, but both teams will see areas to work on for their season.  And while one team will have an edge, the other will have a chip. 

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3 hours ago, deech said:

 

I like the kid also, but the hype is out of control.  Glad someone said it.  It's getting stupider and stupider.

I get it and like this piece and TFG.  I personally embrace the hate. Bring it. It's good to be king.

That said, these guys weren't around for or have forgotten the level of hype around USC, Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart.

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1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

I get it and like this piece and TFG.  I personally embrace the hate. Bring it. It's good to be king.

That said, these guys weren't around for or have forgotten the level of hype around USC, Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart.

That hype was built off of the previous two seasons.  They weren’t hyped for 2003 but at the end of the season it was good business to discuss them and a shared championship.  Then they had hype and won it all in 04, so the hype for 05 was off the charts. 
 

I guess Texas has a similar path except for the semifinal losses the past two years.  But what we do have is the next manning. 

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The idea that a younger QB sitting behind a veteran QB means the younger QB cannot be better than the vet is stupid.  VY was better than Mock and Simms.  Pretty much immediately.  Tebow sat behind Chris Leak.  Dak set behind someone who the NFL did not even invite to camp.

 

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33 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

The idea that a younger QB sitting behind a veteran QB means the younger QB cannot be better than the vet is stupid.  VY was better than Mock and Simms.  Pretty much immediately.  Tebow sat behind Chris Leak.  Dak set behind someone who the NFL did not even invite to camp.

 

Different position, but Barry Sanders was backup to Thurman Thomas for 2 years ('86 & '87), and I think he did okay when he finally became the full-time starter in '88.

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4 minutes ago, txfight said:

Different position, but Barry Sanders was backup to Thurman Thomas for 2 years ('86 & '87), and I think he did okay when he finally became the full-time starter in '88.

At least Thurman Thomas was a damn good back as well.

The thing about #1 Texas vs #2 tOSU is that if Texas wins, the reaction will be "duh, they should" but if tOSU wins the reaction will be "we told you Texas was way overhyped" (even after a road loss by something like 28-27).  These people exist to create controversy and thus clicks.

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2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

That hype was built off of the previous two seasons.  They weren’t hyped for 2003 but at the end of the season it was good business to discuss them and a shared championship.  Then they had hype and won it all in 04, so the hype for 05 was off the charts. 
 

I guess Texas has a similar path except for the semifinal losses the past two years.  But what we do have is the next manning. 

Texas beat a team with 2 Heisman winners: https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/trojans/football/2025/08/14/2005-usc-football-played-best-games-21st-century/85621940007/.

After surviving the scare in South Bend, USC rolled through the rest of the regular season, advancing to face Texas in the national championship game. There, the Trojans dropped a 41-38 heartbreaker to the Longhorns in what is widely considered to be the greatest college football game of all-time. Naturally, it came in at No. 1 in the rankings. Here is what Ubben had to say about the showdown:

"USC had two Heisman winners in its backfield and was riding a 34-game winning streak, eyeing a three-peat as a touchdown favorite. The back-and-forth battle ended with Vince Young skating inside the pylon on fourth-and-5 to put the Longhorns up with 19 seconds left. Young finished with 267 yards passing and 200 yards rushing and a trio of touchdowns.

"USC coach Pete Carroll called it the greatest individual performance he’d ever seen. It was also the highest-rated BCS game ever and was Keith Jackson’s final game in the ABC booth. It is the standard by which all other games in this century are judged."

Almost two decades later, USC fans still recall fond memories of the Bush Push, and are still heartbroken by the Rose Bowl loss to Texas. The lasting impact of those games highlights their significance within the fan base, and why they are rightfully considered to be two of the best college football games of this century, if not of all-time.

 

 Pretty, pretty good year.  

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"When I meet new people, they get all excited and ask me about him like he's some sort of superhero," Heid said. "But to me, he's just the same guy who still doesn't know how to work a microwave." “I think Maxpreps posted something like, Arch Manning younger brother rising O-line recruit,” Heid said. “I was not an O-line recruit. I was 5-10, 220 pounds as a center. No one was recruiting me. The less you listen to all the media, I think the better you are.”

Maybe that’s why Arch Manning got off Instagram recently and is known for leaving his phone in his room. For as serious as Arch is about football, he wants to have a normal life, too. After all, they grew up as normal kids. Arch had the famous poster of Michael Jordan’s arms-open wingspan on his wall; Heid had the famous Farrah Fawcett bikini poster.

 

Heid sounds like he’s actually funny. And not just “sports guy” funny. 

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12 hours ago, txfight said:

Different position, but Barry Sanders was backup to Thurman Thomas for 2 years ('86 & '87), and I think he did okay when he finally became the full-time starter in '88.

I am reposting this stat from another thread, but if you want evidence of a "back-ups" being better than starters Texas has a better example. In 1995 Shon Mitchell had the same number of carries as Ricky Williams and Priest Holmes, combined.

Which I would argue is a near equivalent level of 2 RBs to Barry and Thurman. Not in terms of ultimate NFL production given the issues Ricky's sadly dealt with, but in terms of stacked college RB talent, absolutely.

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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

I am reposting this stat from another thread, but if you want evidence of a "back-ups" being better than starters Texas has a better example. In 1995 Shon Mitchell had the same number of carries as Ricky Williams and Priest Holmes, combined.

Which I would argue is a near equivalent level of 2 RBs to Barry and Thurman. Not in terms of ultimate NFL production given the issues Ricky's sadly dealt with, but in terms of stacked college RB talent, absolutely.

Let’s hold on here a bit. Shon Mitchell was a very solid RB.  In 1995, Priest was out and had a reduced role in 1996 due to blowing out his knee prior to that 95 season.  Mitchell had a better statistical season in 95 than Priest ever did at Texas.

In 95 Shon and Ricky were the starters.  Ricky as a freshman FB.  From what I recall we ran a fair amount of split back and maybe some single back with Ricky.  Priest was out so we had our best two RBs on the field.  If memory serves correctly, there really isn’t a difference between FB and TB in that look.

Now in 96, Priest likely wasn’t back to form and both Mitchell and Williams were coming off good years and deserving of reps.  If I remember correctly, Mitchell was dinged up some so that impacted his game.  It was a bit of thunder and lightning, if you will.  Mitchell was the only lightning of the bunch.

 

* Just saw a note that Mitchell was on a state champion 4x100 relay team.

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9 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Let’s hold on here a bit. Shon Mitchell was a very solid RB.  In 1995, Priest was out and had a reduced role in 1996 due to blowing out his knee prior to that 95 season.  Mitchell had a better statistical season in 95 than Priest ever did at Texas.

In 95 Shon and Ricky were the starters.  Ricky as a freshman FB.  From what I recall we ran a fair amount of split back and maybe some single back with Ricky.  Priest was out so we had our best two RBs on the field.  If memory serves correctly, there really isn’t a difference between FB and TB in that look.

Now in 96, Priest likely wasn’t back to form and both Mitchell and Williams were coming off good years and deserving of reps.  If I remember correctly, Mitchell was dinged up some so that impacted his game.  It was a bit of thunder and lightning, if you will.  Mitchell was the only lightning of the bunch.

Ricky was blocking a lot more than running the ball as a full back. I'm not pooping on Shon Mitchell, he was averging 6.2 ypc, and, in fact, I was dating someone who was related to him for a minute. 

I had forgotten about Priest's injury. 

The point was less a condemnation of Shon and more to the point that the backup player can be way better despite being "second string" or getting less play for a variety of reasons. Your addition only reinforced that reality. Additionally, I still think Preist/Ricky rivals Sanders/Thurman as the 2 best college RBs on a team at the same time in college football. In fairness, Reggie Bush and Lendale White round out the top 3. 

Oh... while looking at stats I also caught this highlighted performance. Memories! 

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On 8/14/2025 at 2:28 AM, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Back  in the day the Horns used to beat the piss out of almost everybody. Remember Navy with Staubach. #1 vs. #2? Texas 28-6 or something like that.

Yes,yes I do…..

 

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Wasn't Earl Campbell the backup for Rosie Leaks for a couple of games? Leaks was effing amazing until he got injured. Earl was a step up. That guy put on a show all thru college and for several years into the pros. One of the greatest running backs in history.

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Most great QBs sat behind another QB. It’s more common for that to be the case than to come in and start right away. 
 

Elway sat behind Turk Schonert

Peyton sat behind Jerry Colquitt and then Todd Helton.

Cam Newton sat behind Tebow before getting kicked off the team.

The list could go on and on

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6 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Ricky was blocking a lot more than running the ball as a full back. I'm not pooping on Shon Mitchell, he was averging 6.2 ypc, and, in fact, I was dating someone who was related to him for a minute. 

I had forgotten about Priest's injury. 

The point was less a condemnation of Shon and more to the point that the backup player can be way better despite being "second string" or getting less play for a variety of reasons. Your addition only reinforced that reality. Additionally, I still think Preist/Ricky rivals Sanders/Thurman as the 2 best college RBs on a team at the same time in college football. In fairness, Reggie Bush and Lendale White round out the top 3. 

I understand where you’re coming from, but it is a condemnation of Mitchell.  I do not disagree with the premise that a backup could be better.  This not a good example of the second string being way better.

Ricky as a freshman was not the same as Ricky as a junior or senior.  I am one that believes an frosh can be productive but generally lacks in the intangibles relative to a more experienced player.  And even on a per tote basis Michell’s 1995 was better than Ricky’s senior year.  Based on Priests numbers and return from injury, it’s difficult to argue he was better than Shon at that time.

Priest was awesome versus UNC then memorable versus Nebraska but otherwise somewhat pedestrian.  I don’t necessarily blame that on him as he proved with the Chiefs that he could get it done.  And in a big way.  Priest is a great example of timing, needing an opportunity and then situationally being in the right fit.  You could say NFL teams missed on him twice.  I’m not arguing for it, but someone could argue that Priest was a better RB than Lewis yet backed him up.

Ricky and Priest were pretty special at times with Ricky being more special at Texas and Priest more so in the pros.  Shon if he were to come through now, he might be viewed differently in a positive way since his skills/frame are better suited to the open field game.  As for talent, Priest/Ricky are up there.  I might just add that’s a pretty talented and balanced threesome.

 

Now as for Manning last year, I won’t buy others argument that he wasn’t ready or that he was less likely to get the job done.  We don’t know that he wasn’t better suited than Ewers last year.  We certainly saw glimpses that he could have been.

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2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

I am reposting this stat from another thread, but if you want evidence of a "back-ups" being better than starters Texas has a better example. In 1995 Shon Mitchell had the same number of carries as Ricky Williams and Priest Holmes, combined.

Which I would argue is a near equivalent level of 2 RBs to Barry and Thurman. Not in terms of ultimate NFL production given the issues Ricky's sadly dealt with, but in terms of stacked college RB talent, absolutely.

I fact checked you in the other thread.  Ricky and Shon had the same exact number of touches.  Shon had 10 more carries and Ricky had 10 more receptions.  Priest was out for the year. 

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29 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I understand where you’re coming from, but it is a condemnation of Mitchell.  I do not disagree with the premise that a backup could be better.  This not a good example of the second string being way better.

Ricky as a freshman was not the same as Ricky as a junior or senior.  I am one that believes an frosh can be productive but generally lacks in the intangibles relative to a more experienced player.  And even on a per tote basis Michell’s 1995 was better than Ricky’s senior year.  Based on Priests numbers and return from injury, it’s difficult to argue he was better than Shon at that time.

Priest was awesome versus UNC then memorable versus Nebraska but otherwise somewhat pedestrian.  I don’t necessarily blame that on him as he proved with the Chiefs that he could get it done.  And in a big way.  Priest is a great example of timing, needing an opportunity and then situationally being in the right fit.  You could say NFL teams missed on him twice.  I’m not arguing for it, but someone could argue that Priest was a better RB than Lewis yet backed him up.

Ricky and Priest were pretty special at times with Ricky being more special at Texas and Priest more so in the pros.  Shon if he were to come through now, he might be viewed differently in a positive way since his skills/frame are better suited to the open field game.  As for talent, Priest/Ricky are up there.  I might just add that’s a pretty talented and balanced threesome.

 

Now as for Manning last year, I won’t buy others argument that he wasn’t ready or that he was less likely to get the job done.  We don’t know that he wasn’t better suited than Ewers last year.  We certainly saw glimpses that he could have been.

If you can find video of the Hawaii game early in season I think you'd disagree with your take on Ricky's ability as a freshman. He was the highest rated RB in the nation before he got here iirc and he was killing it. 

Just know you are now arguing on behalf on the vision of John Mackovic. while I argue agaist. Let that sink in. 

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10 minutes ago, Gordon Shumway said:

I fact checked you in the other thread.  Ricky and Shon had the same exact number of touches.  Shon had 10 more carries and Ricky had 10 more receptions.  Priest was out for the year. 

Right, you're correct. I used carries when I should have used touches. Semantics. The fact remains, in 1995 Shon Mitchell had equal touches to both Ricky Williams and Priest Holmes, combined. Both of who were superior running backs to Shon Mitchell. 

But Shon was running back and Ricky being used as a FB.

The point of the entire discussion was backups being better than starters.

Its was just a simple comparison point when Thurman and Sanders were brought up.

This place will argue about any fucking thing.

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41 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

If you can find video of the Hawaii game early in season I think you'd disagree with your take on Ricky's ability as a freshman. He was the highest rated RB in the nation before he got here iirc and he was killing it. 

Just know you are now arguing on behalf on the vision of John Mackovic. while I argue agaist. Let that sink in. 

Ricky's physical ability was apparent, his decision making had not yet arrived.  See fumbles in the game you referenced.  I haven't seen that game in 25 years and i still remember wtf was he thinking. 

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