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35 minutes ago, Hitch said:

There is no winner in a Facebook argument. 

There is no winner having Facebook. Enjoy arguing with bots and boomers 

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On 7/22/2025 at 12:36 PM, Captainant said:

So now that we're at the point of ICE entering schools and their coaches standing up against the feds saying they'll die before they let their kids be taken, I hope you're paying attention.

Where did they enter a school? I have missed that.

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My firm ordered a bunch of these and keep them available at the front desk for our Hispanic clients and friends of Hispanic clients.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Foosters said:

Second link broken?

“PICO RIVERA, Calif. -- A southern California school district released video that allegedly shows United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents urinating at a school campus in Pico Rivera.”

Can you read? It says ‘at’ in the first paragraph of the article. No one made it inside the school. They still have not entered a school. Jesus Christ….grip those semantics a little harder to justify your stupidity.

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4 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

“PICO RIVERA, Calif. -- A southern California school district released video that allegedly shows United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents urinating at a school campus in Pico Rivera.”

Can you read? It says ‘at’ in the first paragraph of the article. No one made it inside the school. They still have not entered a school. Jesus Christ….grip those semantics a little harder to justify your stupidity.

The incident happened the morning of June 17. The school district says that 10 marked and unmarked cars with federal agents pulled into Salazar High School. Campus cameras captured some of those agents urinating on school grounds, school district leaders said.

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Dagger:

"The nazis haven't actually gone INTO a synagogue to snatch up jews and then ship them off to concentration camps.  Jesus Christ….grip those semantics a little harder to justify your stupidity."

This fucking timeline, man.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

The incident happened the morning of June 17. The school district says that 10 marked and unmarked cars with federal agents pulled into Salazar High School. Campus cameras captured some of those agents urinating on school grounds, school district leaders said.

Still haven’t entered a school…try again.

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Dagger:

"The nazis haven't actually gone INTO a synagogue to snatch up jews and then ship them off to concentration camps.  Jesus Christ….grip those semantics a little harder to justify your stupidity."

This fucking timeline, man.

Uh, timeline? Wtf are you talking about?

You just made up a statement that you wanted me to say? I never said anything about Jews or Nazis yet you wanted so badly to say those words to help your delicate detrimental thoughts.
 

I know you won’t do this, but try having a constructive argument based upon facts and critical thinking. Don’t do it for yourself. Just try and do it for everyone else that has to read your stupid bullshit that makes zero fucking sense.

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Posted
Just now, DaggerHorns said:

Uh, timeline? Wtf are you talking about?

You just made up a statement that you wanted me to say? I never said anything about Jews or Nazis yet you wanted so badly to say those words to help your delicate detrimental thoughts.
 

I now you won’t do this, but try having a constructive argument based upon facts and critical thinking. Don’t do it for yourself. Just try and do it for everyone else that has to read your stupid bullshit that makes zero fucking sense.

Sure.  See, I made an analogy.

You are stanning for ICE because they haven't gone all the way in to schools, as if that is some great positive fact (they have attempted to do so more than once, that we know of).  It wouldn't exactly be a great fact for us if the Nazis did all their shit, but simply hadn't entered a synagogue....yet.

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sure.  See, I made an analogy.

You are stanning for ICE because they haven't gone all the way in to schools, as if that is some great positive fact (they have attempted to do so more than once, that we know of).  It wouldn't exactly be a great fact for us if the Nazis did all their shit, but simply hadn't entered a synagogue....yet.

“Stanning”

You're literally just making shit up. I never said anything about supporting anyone. It’s cool though that you just started talking about Nazis for whatever comparison you needed to get through your day.

Keep that “yet” word close. Maybe it can help you somewhere else.

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Just now, Foosters said:

Silly me, I thought going onto a school's campus would count, but turns out, it doesn't!

See, the ICE agents went INTO the building (which they did at a LAUSD school), but they didn't actually ARREST anyone there (because the school officials kicked them out)!  So, Dagger is winning here!  ICE....DEFENDED!

Posted
2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Silly me, I thought going onto a school's campus would count, but turns out, it doesn't!

“1) ICE still has not entered a school and deported minors”

That was my previous statement as the argument of discussion. It’s accurate. Silly me, I thought you could read!

Posted
3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

See, the ICE agents went INTO the building (which they did at a LAUSD school), but they didn't actually ARREST anyone there (because the school officials kicked them out)!  So, Dagger is winning here!  ICE....DEFENDED!

Immigration enforcement officers from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security attempted to enter two Los Angeles Unified School District elementary schools — where they were denied entry by school administrators — in search of students on April 7.”

 

I read “denied entry” in the article but I guess you read differently.

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Posted
22 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

Still haven’t entered a school…try again.

My bad. On my screen it's leaving out the "and deported children" part. Might want to check with the mods to see what the issue is.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

My bad. On my screen it's leaving out the "and deported children" part. Might want to check with the mods to see what the issue is.

It didn’t say “children.” 
 

The mods would just tell you that maybe you need to enter a school and take reading and writing.

Posted
11 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

It didn’t say “children.” 
 

The mods would just tell you that maybe you need to enter a school and take reading and writing.

 

As someone who hasn’t been part of this conversation, may I ask the purpose of this crusade you’re on?

ICE agents attempted to gain entry into an elementary school, according to various news reports. Had the principal not denied them access, they would have. You stated you’re glad they couldn’t go in, but your making nine posts on this page about this pedantic quibble is a bit odd.

If we’re going to get really technical about it, I’d bet they at least opened the front door and made it to the front office. My daughter’s no longer in school, and I did teach high school for a year in the early 1990s. But from my experience, when walking into a school, there’s rarely a person actually guarding the door throughout the day, much less the principal.

Now, granted, things may have changed in the past several years with all the fucking school shootings, and this is Los Angeles, so I could very well be wrong, but this is a really weird argument over such a minor detail when the overall argument is that ICE agents shouldn’t be going to schools to round up children, which you apparently agree with.

Again, I’ll ask, what point are you trying to make here? Do you demand verbal precision in every conversation that you have? If so, may I point out the number of grammatical errors in your previous posts?

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Posted
16 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

As someone who hasn’t been part of this conversation, may I ask the purpose of this crusade you’re on?

Do you demand verbal precision in every conversation that you have?

If so, may I point out the number of grammatical errors in your previous posts?

Facts (again for I think the 4th or 5th time, no one has entered a school and deported minors).

No.

Yes, do whatever you would like here.

 

You say “apparently agree with” which makes you wrong. Again, I’ve stated I was happy they were denied entry. Why speculate about something that I’ve stated completely contrary? If I supported ICE, wouldn’t I say something else there, wtf???
 

Why are people wanting so badly for ICE to have entered schools and deported minors? It’s not true but people here are wanting so badly for it to be the case. They haven’t done that and it needs to remain the same, yet here you are accusing me of supporting ICE when I’ve said nothing of the sort. I’ve also been given Jew and Nazi commentary when I didn’t bring anything of that sort up. 

Posted
10 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

Facts (again for I think the 4th or 5th time, no one has entered a school and deported minors).

No.

Yes, do whatever you would like here.

 

You say “apparently agree with” which makes you wrong. Again, I’ve stated I was happy they were denied entry. Why speculate about something that I’ve stated completely contrary? If I supported ICE, wouldn’t I say something else there, wtf???
 

Why are people wanting so badly for ICE to have entered schools and deported minors? It’s not true but people here are wanting so badly for it to be the case. They haven’t done that and it needs to remain the same, yet here you are accusing me of supporting ICE when I’ve said nothing of the sort. I’ve also been given Jew and Nazi commentary when I didn’t bring anything of that sort up. 

 

Jesus. Read this portion of my sentence again very carefully:

"the overall argument is that ICE agents shouldn’t be going to schools to round up children, which you apparently agree with."

I'm a little tired today, so maybe I could've been clearer, but I'm stating that you agree with the idea that children shouldn't be rounded up at schools.

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

Jesus. Read this portion of my sentence again very carefully:

"the overall argument is that ICE agents shouldn’t be going to schools to round up children, which you apparently agree with."

I'm a little tired today, so maybe I could've been clearer, but I'm stating that you agree with the idea that children shouldn't be rounded up at schools.

Agreed, I did misread that. I’ll go kick myself in the nuts now.

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Posted
19 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

Agreed, I did misread that. I’ll go kick myself in the nuts now.

Objection, facts not in evidence. There is no way this person has any nuts. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Objection, facts not in evidence. There is no way this person has any nuts. 

I don’t care what everyone here says about you. I really appreciate your intelligent contributions to threads like this.

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This is some fucked up shit.

Basically, it looks like they're trying to make protesting ICE illegal, in plain violation of the First Amendment in many cases, by intentionally conflating opposition to their activities with serious crimes. This is the kind of stuff that dictators do.

And give me a break about "doxing" agents. Pretty soon, some local jurisdiction will make the same argument about regular beat cops, saying their identities should also be shielded from the public for their safety. Imagine the next time you get stopped for a broken taillight or something, and the cop who comes up to your car door is wearing a fucking mask, like in The Watchmen?

Spoiler

😷Readers Ask: Can ICE Really Wear Masks? - by Ehsan Zaffar

 

Is this what people want, living in a police state where bullshit laws are enforced based on assumptions and not facts or evidence?

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https://archive.is/sQii5

Speaking on Fox News last week, a top official from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said the agency was expanding its dragnet for arrests. 

“I think we all know that criminals tend to hang out with criminals,” ICE Deputy Director Madison Sheahan said. “And so when we start to build a case, we’re going to be going after everyone that’s around them. Because these criminals tend to hang out with like-minded people who also happen to be criminals.”

The pledge to broaden arrests came as an immigration sweep that sowed fear across the Los Angeles area has been met by a growing protest movement to stop the raids and arrests.

In addition to arresting hundreds of immigrants across Southern California, the government is targeting a mounting number of people who are responding to the raids or helping protests. Some of those targeted have provided supplies to protesters or tried to identify ICE agents conducting raids in masks and plain clothes.

The remarks from Sheahan, the ICE official, came three days after a federal judge ordered the Trump administration to stop indiscriminate ICE raids in LA. In the order, Judge Maame Ewusi-Mensah Frimpong condemned the administration’s use of a person’s characteristics — like their appearance, accent, or occupation — as a basis for arrest.

“Roving patrols” operating without reasonable suspicion and denying access to lawyers violated the Fourth and the Fifth Amendments, the judge wrote. “What the federal government would have this Court believe — in the face of a mountain of evidence presented in this case — is that none of this is actually happening.”

Now, those accused of helping the anti-ICE movement are facing prosecution or investigation. Earlier this month, a federal grand jury indicted a man after he handed out face shields to people protesting ICE in Los Angeles two days after President Donald Trump deployed the National Guard.

Alejandro Orellana, 29, pleaded not guilty to a charge of conspiracy to aid and abet civil disorders. According to a grand jury indictment, the face shields were “advertised as designed to protect from chemical splashes and flying debris.”

“Alejandro Orellana’s arrest for distributing supplies is an outrageous violation of civil rights and should be a wakeup call to people everywhere,” said California attorney Thomas Harvey.

“This appears to be a targeted, political attack on resistance to a military incursion on our communities,” Harvey said. “Distributing supplies to protesters is not a crime. It’s a critical role to help keep people safe — especially in the face of some of the most violent police repression I’ve seen since the Ferguson uprising.”

In Orellana’s case, an agent from the FBI made a claim similar to the one the ICE deputy would later make to Fox News — that it was assigning criminality to people based on assumptions, not on evidence.

The agent claimed in an affidavit that wearing such gear like the face shields, designed to protect against law enforcement using pepper spray or tear gas, “is not common amongst non-violent, peaceful protesters.” Instead, he argued, the face shield was “the kind of item used by violent agitators to enable them to resist law enforcement and to engage in violence and/or vandalism during a civil disorder.”

Identifying Masked ICE Agents
As part of expanding its definitions of criminal activity to include forms of protest responding to ICE, the government ramped up its efforts to investigate people suspected of providing identifying information about ICE agents.

On July 11, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem released a statement condemning “anarchists and rioters” in Portland who posted flyers with identifying information about ICE agents and said the department would prosecute “those who dox ICE agents to the fullest extent of the law.”

Last month, Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., introduced a bill that would make identifying ICE officers a federal crime.

In another case in May, ICE agents raided the home of a family in Irvine, California, on a criminal search warrant. They were investigating the source of flyers that had been posted around LA earlier this year with identifying information about ICE officers. The government suspected the family’s son was responsible.

Rep. Dave Min, D-Calif., issued a statement after the May raid saying he was “deeply concerned” with news of the raid and had asked federal law enforcement for more information. Min’s office did not respond to questions about whether they had yet received any such information.

Several of the efforts to further criminalize protest flyers or mutual aid have also been used against pro-Palestine student protesters, Cop City activists in Georgia, and people providing water to migrants.

Police charged protesters opposing the construction of the so-called Cop City police training facility with felonies for posting flyers in 2023, The Intercept reported. The activists had posted flyers in a neighborhood where a police officer lived, naming him and alleging that he was connected to the killing earlier that year of Manuel “Tortuguita” Terán. Police shot Tortuguita 57 times, killing the activist during a multiagency raid on the Atlanta Forest protest encampment.

In 2023, prosecutors brought charges under Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations law against 61 activists for their participation in organizing bail funds for Cop City protesters. Prosecutors dropped charges against three of the activists last year, and others are still awaiting trial.

In a slew of other high-profile cases, elected officials have been arrested for aiding migrants being pursued for arrest by ICE agents. Earlier this year, the FBI arrested a judge accused of helping a man use an alternate exit from a courtroom when ICE agents were waiting outside the main door.

In Arizona in 2018, prosecutors famously slapped humanitarian volunteers offering food, shelter, and water to migrants in the desert with federal criminal charges. Border Patrol targeted their faith-based group as a criminal organization. In 2005, activists with the same group faced criminal charges for transporting migrants to receive medical care; the charges were later dismissed.

“It should be terrifying to every person that the U.S., which has long held political prisoners, is ramping up its oppressive tactics,” said Harvey, the California attorney. “And now, with the new funding, ICE will have more money than any policing force in U.S. history to build a gulag system filled with localized versions of ‘Alligator Alcatrazes’ to cage immigrants and political dissidents.”

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Posted
1 hour ago, DaggerHorns said:

Why are people wanting so badly for ICE to have entered schools and deported minors?

You're latching onto this like a dog with a bone and refusing to address what's happening. Seemingly in bad faith. 

A father had his window smashed out and dragged out of his car while driving his daughter to school - I guess that doesn't count either then? Is your problem that rhetoric is too aggressive or something?

Because if THAT is your problem, then boy howdy, wow.

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16 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You're latching onto this like a dog with a bone and refusing to address what's happening. Seemingly in bad faith. 

A father had his window smashed out and dragged out of his car while driving his daughter to school - I guess that doesn't count either then? Is your problem that rhetoric is too aggressive or something?

Because if THAT is your problem, then boy howdy, wow.

Not in school

Not a minor arrested/deported

boy howdy, wow!

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Posted
43 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

 

Not in school

Not a minor arrested/deported

boy howdy, wow!

TBH you seem to be the only person actively cheering on people getting arrested/deported specifically at a school. ICE has come for minors at little league practice, and deported minors and separated them from their parents in the process. That's just as bad, IMO. Your posts seem to think its not a big deal because it doesn't meet your arbitrary criteria.

You are again reverting back to ignoring the facts of reality in favor of beating a point that nobody but you is emphasizing. 

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43 minutes ago, Captainant said:

TBH you seem to be the only person actively cheering on people getting arrested/deported specifically at a school.

You are again reverting back to ignoring the facts of reality in favor of beating a point that nobody but you is emphasizing. 

Show me where I was actively cheering.

 

Thats just it. I’ve stated a fact and you have yet to show me otherwise. You are spending time trying to beat my point. No one has proven it to be wrong. I’m worried about it less than you are or you wouldn’t be here. You brought it up and you’re wrong. How does it feel?

You have brought up little league games and a father, which I never introduced into the conversation. You’re arguing with yourself.

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