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2 hours ago, horn_of_the_morning said:

I don't necessarily disagree with what you have written. Just want to add that hatred of Hindus and Jews is not some special version of Islam that they get they get access to in more religiously free societies.

They very textbooks in Pakistan are filled with explicit bigotry towards all non-believers but especially the Hanood (polytheist Hindus) and Yahood (Jews). This is well studied and documented. The very motto of Pakistan Army (which is the all powerful organization in Pakistan, as I am sure you are aware) calls for "Jihad in service of Allah", and no they are not talking about spiritual struggle.

So it would be more accurate to say that that,in free and open societies like Australia, UK and US, these nutjobs get an opportunity to act on their brainwashing because they have easy access to people they have been brainwashed to hate since as you correctly note, they have all but eliminated all other minorities in their own country.

This is a good post and I think I need to refine my take a bit. While the official, state-sponsored version of Islam in many Arab, Gulf, and South Asian states provides a scaffolding of intolerance and hatred for other faiths and minorities, it stops short at providing the motives and encouragement to actually become a militant or terrorist. 

Pakistan is a bit of a special example in that it is more willing to play with the hot stove of terrorism that most Gulf states have abandoned and views militant networks in Afghanistan and India as strategic assets even as it fights its own Pakistani Taliban. It is worth noting that the harshest forms of official Pakistani prejudice are aimed at unsatisfactory Muslims: the “apostate” Ahmadi and to a lesser extent the suspiciously tolerant Ismaili. 

But in all cases, state-sanctioned Islam, even of the extreme conservative bent, pulls up short of encouraging the type of nihilistic militancy of ISIS or AQ, for good reason: these groups have extreme hostility to the governments that don’t walk the walk and are pragmatic when dealing with the kaffir great powers. And proponents of ISIS-style militant Islam are not long for the world in places where an official Islam exists.

Which leads to an odd situation where the most fertile recruiting and proselytizing zones for nihilistic militant Islam are in places where state power has completely collapsed OR inside of open, tolerant, secular Western democracies. They are uniquely unsuited for combatting it, and the paradox of tolerance absolutely comes into play. People would be jailed in Saudi or the UAE for delivering the types of Friday sermons heard weekly in Molenbeek. The most effective ISIS recruiter was an Australian convert who the Aussies struggled to jail until he finally followed through on his calls for jihad and tried to stage an uprising in the Philippines. And, Western authorities lack the nuance and community ties to differentiate between bog-standard conservative Islam (which presents its own issues to a pluralistic society) and the far more acutely dangerous explodey militant version.

The great majority of Muslims, even devout or conservative Muslims in the West will do what most people of all faiths do, which is find ways to accommodate deeply held religious sensibilities with their new surroundings and norms. A much smaller number will be unable to do so, and will in fact be further inflamed because in this ideological worldview it is a humiliation for Muslims to be forced to seek material prosperity among non-believers.

It is very difficult for Western nations to tackle this issue, not in the least because unhelpful rhetoric about civilizational clashes with all Muslims in the West and calls for absurd crackdowns clashes with equally unhelpful allegations of Islamophobia and racism when a more targeted and sensible approach is being sorted out. 

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7 minutes ago, markstanco said:

So a domain called csis and adl. Mainstream. Also, pbs, lol. 

Yeah I knew pbs would trigger you.  But facts is facts as inconvenient as they may be for you and Dear Leader.

In case you hadn't noticed, ADL is Jews, and y'all are supposed to like Jews for now, especially the anti-Palestinian ones like ADL.

Center For Strategic and International Studies?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies Inform yourself.

Also note that the Trump Administration took down government data to the same effect.

And really, all you had to do was pay fucking attention for the last 10-20 years and you'd know that right-wing nutbags are leading the pack.

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15 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah I knew pbs would trigger you.  But facts is facts as inconvenient as they may be for you and Dear Leader.

In case you hadn't noticed, ADL is Jews, and y'all are supposed to like Jews for now, especially the anti-Palestinian ones like ADL.

Center For Strategic and International Studies?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies Inform yourself.

Also note that the Trump Administration took down government data to the same effect.

And really, all you had to do was pay fucking attention for the last 10-20 years and you'd know that right-wing nutbags are leading the pack.

Why would you know pbs triggers me? Spend 6 hours searching me saying anything about pbs. ???? Also if you keep saying right wing people are doing this it won’t speak it into  existence. 

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3 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Why would you know pbs triggers me? Spend 6 hours searching me saying anything about pbs. ???? 

 

26 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Also, pbs, lol. 

 

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4 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Why would you know pbs triggers me? Spend 6 hours searching me saying anything about pbs. ???? Also if you keep saying right wing people are doing this it won’t speak it into  existence. 

Because your team is obvious.

Your use of idiot terms like "Mainstream."  This isn't media.  This is data analysis.

More, from the Libertarian Cato Institute.

https://www.alexnowrasteh.com/p/politically-motivated-violence-is

Eighty-three percent of those murdered since 1975 were committed by the 9/11 terrorists (Figure 1). The Oklahoma City Bombing accounts for about another 5 percent. Those murdered since 2020 account for just 2 percent. Terrorists inspired by Islamist ideology are responsible for 87 percent of those murdered in attacks on US soil since 1975 (Table 1). Right-wingers are the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for 391 murders and 11 percent of the total. The definition here of right-wing terrorists includes those motivated by white supremacy, anti-abortion beliefs, involuntary celibacy (incels), and other right-wing ideologies.

Left-wing terrorists murdered 65 people, or about 2 percent of the total. Left-wing terrorists include those motivated by black nationalism, anti-police sentiment, communism, socialism, animal rights, environmentalism, anti-white ideologies, and other left-wing ideologies. Those murders that are politically motivated by unknown or other ideologies are a vanishingly small percentage, which is unsurprising because terrorists typically want attention for their causes.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Because your team is obvious.

Your use of idiot terms like "Mainstream."  This isn't media.  This is data analysis.

More, from the Libertarian Cato Institute.

https://www.alexnowrasteh.com/p/politically-motivated-violence-is

Eighty-three percent of those murdered since 1975 were committed by the 9/11 terrorists (Figure 1). The Oklahoma City Bombing accounts for about another 5 percent. Those murdered since 2020 account for just 2 percent. Terrorists inspired by Islamist ideology are responsible for 87 percent of those murdered in attacks on US soil since 1975 (Table 1). Right-wingers are the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for 391 murders and 11 percent of the total. The definition here of right-wing terrorists includes those motivated by white supremacy, anti-abortion beliefs, involuntary celibacy (incels), and other right-wing ideologies.

Left-wing terrorists murdered 65 people, or about 2 percent of the total. Left-wing terrorists include those motivated by black nationalism, anti-police sentiment, communism, socialism, animal rights, environmentalism, anti-white ideologies, and other left-wing ideologies. Those murders that are politically motivated by unknown or other ideologies are a vanishingly small percentage, which is unsurprising because terrorists typically want attention for their causes.

Not my team. I don’t kill people nor do I condone it. 

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2 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Not my team. I don’t kill people nor do I condone it. 

I didn't say you condone it.

But on the bullshit notion that Antifa and left-wing terrorism are our number one national terrorism problem, the American counterterrorism apparatus is being directed toward Trump's political enemies.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-bondi-memo-s-quiet-rewriting-of-domestic-terrorism-rules

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Posted
11 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Not my team. I don’t kill people nor do I condone it. 

Be honest, how many times a month do you accidentally put your underwear on inside out?

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Posted
1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Be honest, how many times a month do you accidentally put your underwear on inside out?

I actually did that with a Tshirt a few months back. Felt weird. 

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On 12/14/2025 at 6:59 PM, ROFL BOX said:


Bolt action shotgun?  Correct, not as common.  For Duck & Dove or Pheasant type wings hooting you want multiple "faster action / sweep & shoot" capability with a "sporting" plug (removeable) that restricts the # of rounds (shells) it will hold, making capacity from 5 down to 3.

Most bolt action shotguns are for slug shooting such as bear, deer, etc.
& From my first listen, I thought it was a shotgun.  Granted, phone recording.
 
Brave as fuck (& dangerous) for the person in or behind that black car to document the shooter for so long.
 

It's Australia. For a country with a rather large rural landmass, they have some of the the strictest gun control laws. Without looking, I'd imagine those are some of their only options outside of break action single or double guns. 

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Posted
6 hours ago, hookem2010 said:

PBS is fake news now? Which news sources are trustworthy? OAN?

The 700 Club

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