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Summer toor is still a ways off.  I saw Trey solo in Athens, GA about a month ago and it was allsome.  Hopefully get to see a few shows this summer. 

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Did anyone go to the show on Tuesday?  Thought it was awesome.  I'll gladly pay $5 for a pic of Trey doing the "hook 'em" sign.  (I was too slow with my phone for some reason.)

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Long live Kasvot Växt!

 

;)🙂

 

 

 

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They really grew as musicians over the last 20-30 years.

Which one of them became a Meters fan in the last 10-15+ years? Every time I hear one of their Meters' style funk songs I keep expecting Aaron Neville to start singing Hey Pocky Way.

 

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When I saw them at a jazz fest in 96, they played right before the Meters.  I remember them talking up the Meters prior to the show and encouraging their fans to stay.  Both shows were great.  The Allman’s played the next day.  I think I threw up on a table in Pat O’Brien’s that night.  Good times!  
Spring 97 is when they really started getting into those funk jams.  Love that era.

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They really grew as musicians over the last 20-30 years.

When Trey got sober it really turned the personality of the band around. IMO the 3.0 stuff is generally more melodic happy jams versus some of the old spastic dark stuff that turns many people off. I love the 96/97 porno-funk, but think these days they are playing for the pure joy and some of the new dad rock’ish songs bring positive energy to the live shows that’s a different vibe from the old stuff.

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On May 8, 2020 at 8:00 PM, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

They really grew as musicians over the last 20-30 years.

Which one of them became a Meters fan in the last 10-15+ years? Every time I hear one of their Meters' style funk songs I keep expecting Aaron Neville to start singing Hey Pocky Way.

They peaked in the 90's. The New Orleans sound has never been one of their influences. Trey was big into electric Miles Davis when they got funky in '97. He talked about it during the set he DJ'd on The Bunny prior to The Great Went. 

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16 hours ago, Axle Hongsnort said:

“Peaked” implies ongoing declines...where’s your head at with what they bring to the table these days?

Peaked in the 90's means they were at their best in the 90's. Seems self-explanatory to me.

Speaking of ongoing decline, why did Trey dumb down the Tweezer riff? Why is Chalkdust now played slow enough that I can understand the lyrics? Trey doesn't have the chops he used to have and his jamming often struggles or meanders or is disjointed. And too often he's shirking his lead guitar duties altogether. And the newer songs mostly suck. But honestly I think the decline in songwriting started back during 1.0, I just didn't realize it at the time. 

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2 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Peaked in the 90's means they were at their best in the 90's. Seems self-explanatory to me.

Speaking of ongoing decline, why did Trey dumb down the Tweezer riff? Why is Chalkdust now played slow enough that I can understand the lyrics? Trey doesn't have the chops he used to have and his jamming often struggles or meanders or is disjointed. And too often he's shirking his lead guitar duties altogether. And the newer songs mostly suck. But honestly I think the decline in songwriting started back during 1.0, I just didn't realize it at the time. 

Wow. I mean, everyone has a right to their opinion, but wow.  Can't say I agree with you here.

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4 minutes ago, Texas St. Armadillos said:

Wow. I mean, everyone has a right to their opinion, but wow.  Can't say I agree with you here.

That's fine. I don't think it's any more controversial to say Phish peaked in the 90's than it is to say the Dead peaked in the 70's. 

I didn't see my first Dead show until '87. I knew old Deadheads who saw them in the 70's who weren't interested in seeing them in the late 80's. I didn't understand it at the time. I get it now. But I'd also argue that the Dead went through a period from Spring '89 through Summer '90 that was better comparatively than anything I've heard from Phish 2.0 or 3.0. 

Seriously, wtf is up with the Tweezer riff? Go back and listen to the "Tweezerfest" show at the Bomb Factory in Dallas on 5/7/94 then try to justify the way they play the song now.

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Aug 93 - Dec 95 was the peak. The cow funk in 97 became so repetitive and lame.  I like my Phish on fire.

 

these days, eh i guess im glad they can still find the love and light. 

 

need to go back to Japan or Europe and do a small club tour again. 

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Seriously, wtf is up with the Tweezer riff? Go back and listen to the "Tweezerfest" show at the Bomb Factory in Dallas on 5/7/94 then try to justify the way they play the song now.


Challenge accepted. Was at the tweezerfest show, but it’s been ages since I’ve critically listened. The free webcast tonight has a 17 minute tweezer from 2018.

Don’t get me wrong, in the 90’s they were becoming what they are, full of youth and energy, and looking to make a mark. Today they are on the back 9 of their career and playing for fun. Apple and an orange. I believe what they are doing today is still a fucking blast to watch / listen, just curious if others thought they’d gone to shit.

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The precision of the playing on composed songs peaked from 93 to 95.  The group jamming from 97-2000 is so good it justifies the slight decrease in precision.  For me their peak is 1995-2000.  

Up until the last few months, I had not gotten into 3.0 too much.  I just wasn’t into many of the new songs or albums.  For some reason, Ghosts of the Forest and Sigma Oasis both really resonate with me.  The song writing feels more mature and I really like the feel of both from front to back.  I like each of them more than anything they’ve put out in 20 years and have been listening to both a lot (I know Ghosts is a Trey Album, but Phish has been playing a bunch of the songs).  Trey’s quarantine songs and videos  have been really good too.
 

I have been going back and listening to Some highly rated 3.0 shows and they are great, especially now that I “get” more of the more recent songs.  It sounds like they are having fun and playing for the joy of it.  They seem more locked in on newer material and if you aren’t into that, then I can see why you’d be down on 3.0, as I was.  Golden Age is such a great cover I’ve just discovered and the 10/28/16 version is fantastic.
 

And I also agree, when they play some older composed songs, it is nowhere near as tight as it should be and it does bother me (heard a Golgi on Phish Radio from fall tour that made me sad).

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Had never heard them (heard of them yes) but stumbled upon them as a "similar to" on my Spotify to one of the Dave Matthews Band live concerts I had just heard.  Click on 'LivePhish 04/03/98: Uniondale, New York" and first song is Mike's Song and holy shit the just straight jamming was great.  I get a very Grateful Dead vibe from them (probably not the first to say that I know).  I dig it.  kthnxbai

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