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I saw an X6M the other day.  Great sounding engine, I assume it was a V8.  But such a weird monstrosity of a vehicle.

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I saw an X6M the other day.  Great sounding engine, I assume it was a V8.  But such a weird monstrosity of a vehicle.
Friend of mine has one. It has a monster of a motor. TT V8. Gets shit mileage, though. He gets around 10-12 mpg.

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3 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:
3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
I saw an X6M the other day.  Great sounding engine, I assume it was a V8.  But such a weird monstrosity of a vehicle.

Friend of mine has one. It has a monster of a motor. TT V8. Gets shit mileage, though. He gets around 10-12 mpg.

When you are up next to it, you notice how high it is and how huge the wheels are.  I assume it's a fairly similar chassis to an X5, but it seems a whole lot bigger/more imposing.

I saw a 750 in that concrete gray, which I like but is an unusual choice for a luxobarge and it looked downright svelte and petite in comparison.

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44 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I saw an X6M the other day.  Great sounding engine, I assume it was a V8.  But such a weird monstrosity of a vehicle.

Same here. I almost laughed out loud at it, but the one I saw was parked so it didn't have the noise in its favor. But the ass end looks like part of Professor Frink's car. Or Johnny Cash's Cadillac. Serious "25 directly copied design cues" mid-00s Hyundai energy...

It strikes me as an answer to a question that nobody asked, even moreso than the other roidbugs in its class. 

And I agree about puddle lights. If you can't figure that shit out with a light (e.g., is that a puddle or dry ground?), then you probably shouldn't be driving. 

Edited by Prepuce of Doom

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When you are up next to it, you notice how high it is and how huge the wheels are.  I assume it's a fairly similar chassis to an X5, but it seems a whole lot bigger/more imposing.
I saw a 750 in that concrete gray, which I like but is an unusual choice for a luxobarge and it looked downright svelte and petite in comparison.
Yeah, i think it has 21s? Maybe 22s.

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10 minutes ago, Okie State said:

The AMG GLE Coupes are just as bad and I see them all the damn time.

I only see the little ones and they aren't that horrible.  The GLA?  It almost makes sense.  Almost.

I love that "the answer to a question no one was asking."

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I saw an X6M the other day.  Great sounding engine, I assume it was a V8.  But such a weird monstrosity of a vehicle.

4.4 liter twin turbo V8, same as my car.

 

Recently I had the little tip knocked off the rear windshield wiper fluid nozzle. Shit shoots straight back now, i may leave it like that to nail people who walk behind me lol.

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Drove by 4 new Broncos today in Winter Park.  They must be doing high altitude testing.  Looks great in person but no pic since I was driving.

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19 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I only see the little ones and they aren't that horrible.  The GLA?  It almost makes sense.  Almost.

I love that "the answer to a question no one was asking."

GLC coupe is the only of those that doesn't look like some roided up gym bro.  GLA coupe doesn't (or didn't, might have  been updated) have similar styling and is more hatchbacky. 

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10 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Looks like a great road surface for a corvette

I drove an '87 C4 in the snow once. It was hairy as fuck.

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My pops bought his '73 prior to his 4th Class year at USAFA...C3+mountains+snow = no thank you, please.

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I drove an '87 C4 in the snow once. It was hairy as fuck.
Kid i went to HS with had a dad who was really into cars and kids could drive any of them he wanted. On this particular day, it was the ZR1. Snow storm closed school at lunch. I don't know how he made it home. I was behind him leaving and he barely made it out of the parking lot.

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 this thing is fucking insane.  simultaneously the last and probably the most superlative analog car ever?

 

also Gordon drives a fucking Alpine A110 as every day car, and aspects of it he used as a Benchmark for this one.  That's as good praise as you can ever have

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I don't think it's as aesthetically pleasing as e.g. a Carrera GT.  But after that interview I don't see how you can't just fall in worship with that car. 

 

There's another video where he rails against 20, 21, 22" wheels.

 

The T50 has 19" in front and 20" in rear.

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Phrases I heard him say:

“There’s no rubbish on this car. Everything on this car does something.”

“22 inch wheels are nonsense.”

“There’s no touchscreens anywhere. I absolutely hate them.”

“Nothing I hate more than these melted fruit (turn signals); just because people can they have indicators that are alive and move and have all sorts of droopy shapes which in 5 years time will look awful. These just need to be functional and pretty, and they were never going to be anything but round.”

There’s also no belt driven accessories. Cool as hell.

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The motor is outrageous. The oil scavenging, the directly connected  starter/generator, the stroke, the revs. It’s fantastical. 
 

did not think I’d watch an hour of two dry brits standing next to a parked car and talking about it, but I was enthralled. 
 

also of note he said he drives his alpine in automatic because with paddles what’s the point. 

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11 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

also of note he said he drives his alpine in automatic because with paddles what’s the point. 

I agree with him here.  I find myself almost never using the paddles unless I'm driving in the mountains.  There's no reason to.

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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The motor is outrageous. The oil scavenging, the directly connected  starter/generator, the stroke, the revs. It’s fantastical. 

I got a chubby when he said the crank was 85mm.  This thing will rev to the moon.

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I got a chubby when he said the crank was 85mm.  This thing will rev to the moon.

That helps with low CoG of course, but the stroke is even shorter at only 63mm! The cylinder bank of the block is shorter than the cylinder head is. It’s so little.

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8 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

I agree with him here.  I find myself almost never using the paddles unless I'm driving in the mountains.  There's no reason to.

I actually exclusively use the paddles. From simply being  in the right gear on an on ramp to engine breaking at lights, it seems pretty much superior all the way around to me.

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Was surprised that Cosworth is still around.

Imagine how cool it is for an employee there, when a dude walks in and ask you to design a production, road-going V12....

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4 hours ago, G650 said:

I actually exclusively use the paddles. From simply being  in the right gear on an on ramp to engine breaking at lights, it seems pretty much superior all the way around to me.

I'm guessing both of you have DCTs?  I guess it's a function of your tranny software and how good it is for your purposes.

I have had manual mode and/or paddles for a while now and never used them much, finding the "sport mode" to be adequate.  However, with the steep-geared 8-spd slushbox, I find a manual downshift to be quite handy.  My tranny is programmed for mileage and with the four-banger unboosted, it comes pretty close to lugging up a hill, which is weird with an AT.

Is engine braking a good idea with a DCT?  From what I understand, the clutch plate surfaces are as small as can be gotten away with (compared to a conventional manual), which would seem to exacerbate the heat dissipation problem.

While I think the fluid coupled AT is one of the most remarkable inventions, evar, I am super-intrigued by DCTs.

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I actually exclusively use the paddles. From simply being  in the right gear on an on ramp to engine breaking at lights, it seems pretty much superior all the way around to me.
Maybe, but why? You've got enough power to pass anyone as it is.

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I'm guessing both of you have DCTs?  I guess it's a function of your tranny software and how good it is for your purposes.
I have had manual mode and/or paddles for a while now and never used them much, finding the "sport mode" to be adequate.  However, with the steep-geared 8-spd slushbox, I find a manual downshift to be quite handy.  My tranny is programmed for mileage and with the four-banger unboosted, it comes pretty close to lugging up a hill, which is weird with an AT.
Is engine braking a good idea with a DCT?  From what I understand, the clutch plate surfaces are as small as can be gotten away with (compared to a conventional manual), which would seem to exacerbate the heat dissipation problem.
While I think the fluid coupled AT is one of the most remarkable inventions, evar, I am super-intrigued by DCTs.
Yes, i have a DCT. Not sure about the X5M.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm guessing both of you have DCTs?  I guess it's a function of your tranny software and how good it is for your purposes.

I have had manual mode and/or paddles for a while now and never used them much, finding the "sport mode" to be adequate.  However, with the steep-geared 8-spd slushbox, I find a manual downshift to be quite handy.  My tranny is programmed for mileage and with the four-banger unboosted, it comes pretty close to lugging up a hill, which is weird with an AT.

Is engine braking a good idea with a DCT?  From what I understand, the clutch plate surfaces are as small as can be gotten away with (compared to a conventional manual), which would seem to exacerbate the heat dissipation problem.

While I think the fluid coupled AT is one of the most remarkable inventions, evar, I am super-intrigued by DCTs.

 

I have a "faux" DCT. The last two M5s have the DCT I believe.

 

In a car it's definitely not as big of a deal, but with this 5,000 lb monster it's almost obligatory. In fact, to drive it fast, it is obligatory. It's the only way you will get into corners efficiently. But in terms of day to day driving, just simple things like when you come up on someone in front of you going slightly slower, click down a gear and you will settle right in without touching the brakes. Over time all these little actions add up. It can make a 10,000 mile + difference in when you need to change your brake pads, without any exaggeration.

 

2 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:
5 hours ago, G650 said:
I actually exclusively use the paddles. From simply being  in the right gear on an on ramp to engine breaking at lights, it seems pretty much superior all the way around to me.

Maybe, but why? You've got enough power to pass anyone as it is.

 

Lugging the engine is awful for it for one.

 

 

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Lugging the engine is awful for it for one.
 
 
My engine doesn't ever lug. Transmission does a very good job of keeping me in the right gear, like an auto does. Quick downshifts when i need them.

Then again, you drive around exclusively in sport plus, right? I'm rarely in dynamic unless I'm going up or down Berthoud pass. Don't care for the herky jerky experience. I'm in comfort 99 percent of the time.

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5 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Then again, you drive around exclusively in sport plus, right?

100% of the time

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1 minute ago, Anton Chigurh said:


Mmmm, LSPI.

The extreme example indeed.

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6 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

I have a "faux" DCT. The last two M5s have the DCT I believe.

 

In a car it's definitely not as big of a deal, but with this 5,000 lb monster it's almost obligatory. In fact, to drive it fast, it is obligatory. It's the only way you will get into corners efficiently. But in terms of day to day driving, just simple things like when you come up on someone in front of you going slightly slower, click down a gear and you will settle right in without touching the brakes. Over time all these little actions add up. It can make a 10,000 mile + difference in when you need to change your brake pads, without any exaggeration.

 

 

Lugging the engine is awful for it for one.

 

 

Yeah, similar situation here.  The tranny keeps my RPMs under 2000, which means unboosted and out of the power/torque curve, in steady-state driving at about any speed (until you get past 80 or so).  I imagine yours is pretty similar because of CAFE concerns.

So if I am going to get power, something has to give.  Either a downshift or the boost kick in, preferably both.  The tranny is either slow or purposely slow to downshift and I suppose there's a bit of turbo lag, but I have no basis for comparison.

And yeah, if you have a TC, engine braking shouldn't be a problem.  With a true DCT, I'd be a little concerned as I don't think those clutches are designed to slip much, they're relatively tiny, and I'm sure ungodly expensive to replace.

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11 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:


Mmmm, LSPI.

Si, senor.  This is what I fear.  The LTG engine has had some piston problems that appear to be detonation-related (or may be ring gap related)  I have never experienced an AT that comes as close to lugging as this lil beasty.  Makes me kind of wish I had the 6spd.

Gotta say, though, mashing that little sewing machine engine with nearly 300 ft-lbs is an experience.  Even the 2.5L four in my TSX made more sturm und drang with less go than this.

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Question for you BMW guys. My wife has her eye on a 2017 430i Convertible. I've never owned or even been around BMWs much in my life, so all I know is what I've seen on the YouTube channels I follow, which is "BMWs will ruin your finances/life". But I think all of those are older V8/V10 models, this 430i has a four banger. It's coming off a lease and has fewer than 50k miles on it. Am I setting myself up for disaster? 

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4 minutes ago, Sandman said:

Question for you BMW guys. My wife has her eye on a 2017 430i Convertible. I've never owned or even been around BMWs much in my life, so all I know is what I've seen on the YouTube channels I follow, which is "BMWs will ruin your finances/life". But I think all of those are older V8/V10 models, this 430i has a four banger. It's coming off a lease and has fewer than 50k miles on it. Am I setting myself up for disaster? 

I mean, all I can give is anecdotal evidence, and frankly, even though my last two daily drivers have been BMW, I would not only not consider myself a BMW guy but I actively think BMW guys are douchebags. So there's that.

 

That said, the only thing I've bought for my current ride over 150k miles is gas, oil, filters, tires, brakes and spark plugs, in descending order.

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27 minutes ago, Sandman said:

Question for you BMW guys. My wife has her eye on a 2017 430i Convertible. I've never owned or even been around BMWs much in my life, so all I know is what I've seen on the YouTube channels I follow, which is "BMWs will ruin your finances/life". But I think all of those are older V8/V10 models, this 430i has a four banger. It's coming off a lease and has fewer than 50k miles on it. Am I setting myself up for disaster? 

As someone who has recently been in the market for a new/used car, it's probably wise to go CPO or with remaining warranty.  The idea being that you get some time to figure out if it's going to be a lemon on someone else's dime.

All cars are getting expensive as hell to repair, particularly for drivetrain things.  Krautwagens may be on the upper end of that scale.  And, if you can talk her out of a convertible, do so.  Just a bunch of other shit to go wrong.

I'm not sure a four-banger exempts you from problems.  They are pushing the little rascals really hard for power with fuel economy and they're pretty much all turbocharged these days with that attendant complexity and repair hassle.

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On 8/6/2020 at 7:26 AM, Okie State said:

I'll never get tired of spotting these in the wild. License plate SLZZPR.acf81f303a93d835ba9caf2c68d150f9.jpg

I don't think I have ever seen one in the wild.  Plenty of CTS-Vs and a few CTS wagons and SRX when it was a wagon.

You rollin in a Caddy there?

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I don't think I have ever seen one in the wild.  Plenty of CTS-Vs and a few CTS wagons and SRX when it was a wagon.

You rollin in a Caddy there?

I've seen quite a few over the years around Houston. Used to be a black one at my office. I think I may have even seen a red one once, or maybe I'm just imagining that.

 

Overall I still like the E63 wagons better, but both are great.

 

That was taken from my SS daily driver.

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32 minutes ago, Okie State said:

I've seen quite a few over the years around Houston. Used to be a black one at my office. I think I may have even seen a red one once, or maybe I'm just imagining that.

 

Overall I still like the E63 wagons better, but both are great.

 

That was taken from my SS daily driver.

Ah, nice! You are a Q-ship fan in reality then. The door handles and mirror seemed GM, if not Caddy.

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