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4 hours ago, immamac said:

yeah, but I don't have to do any of that shit and I have 100% control and it costs 800/mo and I own all the hardware outright already.


And your shit works, too. Beats the approach of some who think the fancier it is, the better, and then it doesn’t work for shit. 

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8 hours ago, immamac said:

the storage bill alone for Surly would be over 1500/mo and doesn't give the same redundancy and snapshotting capabilities that we currently have. Our total bill is less than that on purely infrastructure related charges. 

Don't even get me started on the egress bandwidth that we would get raped on because we are a rich media site.

So you're not running the storage through a $100 8 year-old FreeNAS box in a closet, with a collection of 10 year-old hard drives you had in a box in the attic?

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3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

So you're not running the storage through a $100 8 year-old FreeNAS box in a closet, with a collection of 10 year-old hard drives you had in a box in the attic?

substitute attic for garage and you're spot on

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15 hours ago, immamac said:

yeah, but I don't have to do any of that shit and I have 100% control and it costs 800/mo and I own all the hardware outright already.

Yeah, that's the piece that makes it cost-effective. That, and you don't have to deal with daily releases of new code from in-house developers, HIPAA regulations, etc.

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4 hours ago, Rimbo said:

Yeah, that's the piece that makes it cost-effective. That, and you don't have to deal with daily releases of new code from in-house developers, HIPAA regulations, etc.

We would pass HIPAA or PCI compliance I'm pretty confident. I take the data pretty seriously. You are right about the app dev cycle being much slower for the forum app though. In my day job I address that problem as it relates to databases on a daily basis for some of the largest companies and deployments in the world and I still wouldn't recommend cloud for anything other than elasticity or a raw IaaS provider in 3 year all up front convertible terms.

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What? You don’t want to deal with unannounced AWS changes that fucks your script? How old fashioned 

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On 8/7/2020 at 4:57 AM, immamac said:

We would pass HIPAA or PCI compliance I'm pretty confident. I take the data pretty seriously. You are right about the app dev cycle being much slower for the forum app though. In my day job I address that problem as it relates to databases on a daily basis for some of the largest companies and deployments in the world and I still wouldn't recommend cloud for anything other than elasticity or a raw IaaS provider in 3 year all up front convertible terms.

See, I started with AWS at the beginning, so to me I just see it as another kind of hosting that has a little more flexibility. Stuff like OpsWorks and Elastic Beanstalk can make it easy, and cost far less than similar products (compare the features of EB to, say, Heroku... THEN compare the costs). It's easy for me to see how each service is built on top of those basic atoms: EC2, EBS, and S3.

More to the point, my goal is not too have anyone administering it. I want the infrastructure to run itself without my involvement, so I can spend the time and money doing other things. I've spent most of my career working for small companies that can't afford to hire someone to babysit the database, and at this point, AWS is the only reasonable solution.

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See, I started with AWS at the beginning, so to me I just see it as another kind of hosting that has a little more flexibility. Stuff like OpsWorks and Elastic Beanstalk can make it easy, and cost far less than similar products (compare the features of EB to, say, Heroku... THEN compare the costs). It's easy for me to see how each service is built on top of those basic atoms: EC2, EBS, and S3.
More to the point, my goal is not too have anyone administering it. I want the infrastructure to run itself without my involvement, so I can spend the time and money doing other things. I've spent most of my career working for small companies that can't afford to hire someone to babysit the database, and at this point, AWS is the only reasonable solution.
Cloud is a godsend for startups, but when they turn into a business that actually needs scale it is a trap and way less cost effective or agile than owning your own technological journey with any number of manufacturers and technology vendors.

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25 minutes ago, immamac said:
1 hour ago, Rimbo said:
See, I started with AWS at the beginning, so to me I just see it as another kind of hosting that has a little more flexibility. Stuff like OpsWorks and Elastic Beanstalk can make it easy, and cost far less than similar products (compare the features of EB to, say, Heroku... THEN compare the costs). It's easy for me to see how each service is built on top of those basic atoms: EC2, EBS, and S3.
More to the point, my goal is not too have anyone administering it. I want the infrastructure to run itself without my involvement, so I can spend the time and money doing other things. I've spent most of my career working for small companies that can't afford to hire someone to babysit the database, and at this point, AWS is the only reasonable solution.

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Cloud is a godsend for startups, but when they turn into a business that actually needs scale it is a trap and way less cost effective or agile than owning your own technological journey with any number of manufacturers and technology vendors.

That hasn't been my experience. At least, not with working with AWS directly. It's absolutely the case with Heroku, EngineYard, etc (which are, ironically, built on top of AWS). AWS totally gets cheaper the more you use it, as long as you avoid the glamorous services that charge a lot, vs automating the basics. I can manage and monitor hundreds of servers, by myself, with time to spare for other things. 

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That hasn't been my experience. At least, not with working with AWS directly. It's absolutely the case with Heroku, EngineYard, etc (which are, ironically, built on top of AWS). AWS totally gets cheaper the more you use it, as long as you avoid the glamorous services that charge a lot, vs automating the basics. I can manage and monitor hundreds of servers, by myself, with time to spare for other things. 
10 into 10000 is great. 1000000 into 10000 is a different problem entirely.

If you only have 10 worth of compute workload AWS is great cuz they budget their machines for 10000 if you have a workload that needs lots of hardware the cloud is bad because their hardware is optimized for density not compute.

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1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

That hasn't been my experience. At least, not with working with AWS directly. It's absolutely the case with Heroku, EngineYard, etc (which are, ironically, built on top of AWS). AWS totally gets cheaper the more you use it, as long as you avoid the glamorous services that charge a lot, vs automating the basics. I can manage and monitor hundreds of servers, by myself, with time to spare for other things. 

You're running the Ultima Online servers, aren't you?

j/k, although they are run off of AWS, and man it was a helluva growing pain when they switched over from their own hardware to AWS.

Then again, those servers started on Solaris on a bunch of old Sun servers, and have been through multiple platform changes since the 90s.

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I’d take AWS over fucking microsofts azure shitshow they got going on. 
 

I’m in imma’s camp though. If you need the computational power, the cloud isn’t ideal. I’m living that frustration now, and it sucks. 

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On 8/8/2020 at 5:12 PM, blacklab said:

Raise your hand if you spent $100,000 at AWS this month.

 

The only time we got close was on accident. Doing a backfill of our user base into Cognito with Advanced Security on. That alone cost us $50k because the right hand didn't know what the left was doing. Normally? Not near that much.

The trick to AWS is realizing that everything is designed around parallel workloads; i.e., 2 xlarge instances are designed to be faster than 1 2xlarge instance. And so on and so forth, throughout the system.

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On 6/28/2020 at 6:13 PM, blacklab said:

as with most topics atomheart is correct. Shaggy in it's current state of traffic can easily be hosted on a shared account for < $20 a month. 

 

So it’s worth about tree fiddy 

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9 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

So it’s worth about tree fiddy 


Exactly what that cocksucker was after. Hope he don’t spend it all in one place. 

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Just did a driveby to see what traffic has hit the site. Holy crap that’s bizarre. One guy posting across dozens of threads all by himself, occasionally lashing out at surly. Very creepy.

And a strange side note, a post in May by Rex Kramer/Dr Beeper.

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6 hours ago, Dbeasy said:


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Because he knows his dumb thoughts and casual racism will go unchecked.

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