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23 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I am doing nothing of the sort.  He may not get any better, but if you think he's anything but a starter with 1/2 season of experience, then I don't know what to tell you.

I mean, he actually played better against UF than he did against SJSU and UTEP, so right there that might tell you there is something clicking.  Maybe it isn't.  I don't know, and neither do you.  Beyond that, what's your fucking solution?

Maybe stop reading recruiting reports.


My expectations for Arch coming into 2025 were mostly based on what we saw last year combined with everything we heard covering him this offseason. Part of this frustration is knowing we have been gaslight all offseason because I find it very hard to believe that Arch is nails in every practice but somehow cannot make normal throws in a game setting. 

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21 minutes ago, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

i mean if the current qb takes 20 seconds to pass the ball 6 yard from the receiver while the backup seems to be able to do it near instantly,

What good does this type of argument serve?  Caldwell took 4 sec to initiate his throw (0:36 -> 0:32).  On the very next play, Arch had to scramble left and still threw the ball within 5 sec of the snap (0:26 -> 0:21).  OL was losing its block as Caldwell threw (4 sec).  OL was losing its block 3 sec into the play for Arch, so he scrambled left but couldn't complete for the TD (and notably was almost intercepted, no doubt).

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1 hour ago, DFW Horn said:

Both Stroh and Hutson keep getting worse, which I didn't think was possible.

Stroh leans too much and gets out over his feet after first contact. Hutson doesn't anchor in pass pro. I'm glad we finally replaced Stroh, but is a true freshman really our best option? PFF grade says Brooks sucked, too.

F all that. Let Brooks learn and get better. I dint care what his grade was, he was better than Stroh in that he wasn't getting ragdolled. He might have been swimming and processing slowly due to being a FR-HS, but he wasn't getting treated like a bitch. Let him learn. 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

He is being asked to carry the offense. This is a bad OL, which you have said 10000x times. There isn’t a skill player on the team the scares a DC. Sadly, I think Arch and the offense would be better under Herman. Herman would realize at some point, usually a drive after it mattered, his offense isn’t working and he would spread it out and let Sam play hero ball. Sark is running 12 personnel making it harder on the offense 

I said it during the have yesterday, it's time to let Arch be Arch or Sam or VY. Run some HS shit or Hero ball or whatever... 

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What good does this type of argument serve?  Caldwell took 4 sec to initiate his throw (0:36 -> 0:32).  On the very next play, Arch had to scramble left and still threw the ball within 5 sec of the snap (0:26 -> 0:21).  OL was losing its block as Caldwell threw (4 sec).  OL was losing its block 3 sec into the play for Arch, so he scrambled left but couldn't complete for the TD (and notably was almost intercepted, no doubt).

Yeah, two things could be true at once. Arch could help himself out by throwing sooner with more anticipation, but no shit he won’t get the ball out quick when he’s moved off his spot immediately after the ball is snapped. 

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57 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Progressions are usually read high to low, deep to short. Right now, IDK if I'd trust Arch to make it to a 3rd read, especially with the O-Line's issues.

Cut it to 2 reads on half the field. The OL is not giving time for High, Low, Late Cross, Check. 

He needs to have a primary pre-snap read, then a pitch and catch short throw or check down to RB. 

Make it quick and simple. 

No more throwing across the body to a large cosser. That is going to get six'd in the coming weeks, so just stop. 

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1 minute ago, Slacks said:

Cut it to 2 reads on half the field. The OL is not giving time for High, Low, Late Cross, Check. 

He needs to have a primary pre-snap read, then a pitch and catch short throw or check down to RB. 

Make it quick and simple. 

No more throwing across the body to a large cosser. That is going to get six'd in the coming weeks, so just stop. 

Lagway hit a few nice, short crosses when UF ran mesh concepts. Maybe Arch just doesn't see these throws over the middle bc he's always got somebody in his face.

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What good does this type of argument serve? 

Getting rid of the ball quickly is kind of a requirement of the position. Before yesterday, there were only 6 P4 QBs holding the ball longer than Arch. He’s indecisive and nothing is in rhythm. 

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Cut it to 2 reads on half the field. The OL is not giving time for High, Low, Late Cross, Check. 
He needs to have a primary pre-snap read, then a pitch and catch short throw or check down to RB. 
Make it quick and simple. 
No more throwing across the body to a large cosser. That is going to get six'd in the coming weeks, so just stop. 

This has seemed obvious for weeks, yet we lead P4 in air yards per attempt?!

Give him the QE offense and let’s see what he does.
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4 minutes ago, B00M said:

Getting rid of the ball quickly is kind of a requirement of the position. Before yesterday, there were only 6 P4 QBs holding the ball longer than Arch. He’s indecisive and nothing is in rhythm. 

I'm not saying he doesn't hold the ball too long, but bullshit emotional takes like "20 sec" are content-free non-adders.  

I'm curious -- what is the hold time for (say) the #60 QB on that metric?  If there are 40 guys clustered within a few tenths of a sec of 3.1 sec then are we really talking about a big difference?

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15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not saying he doesn't hold the ball too long, but bullshit emotional takes like "20 sec" are content-free non-adders.  

I'm curious -- what is the hold time for (say) the #60 QB on that metric?  If there are 40 guys clustered within a few tenths of a sec of 3.1 sec then are we really talking about a big difference?

Yes it’s a huge fucking difference. That’s the point. Split seconds fucking matter when getting the ball out on time. It’s a massive gap in getting the ball out in say 2.7 seconds vs 3.5

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yes it’s a huge fucking difference. That’s the point. Split seconds fucking matter when getting the ball out on time. It’s a massive gap in getting the ball out in say 2.7 seconds vs 3.5

Not surprised that you didn't understand the question.  You keep being your stupid self.

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

And I’m telling you a few tenths of the second is the difference between a batted ball or a sack. 

Look up the difference between ordinal and cardinal rankings and then get back to me.

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36 minutes ago, Slacks said:

F all that. Let Brooks learn and get better. I dint care what his grade was, he was better than Stroh in that he wasn't getting ragdolled. He might have been swimming and processing slowly due to being a FR-HS, but he wasn't getting treated like a bitch. Let him learn. 

I am not sure if Brooks is the answer. It’s tough to throw him in there as a true freshman and at a different position.. That said, why is experiment going on vs Florida? Stroh has been a topic all season. The time to figure it out was vs the 3 tomato cans. That is the real issue 

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29 minutes ago, B00M said:

Getting rid of the ball quickly is kind of a requirement of the position. Before yesterday, there were only 6 P4 QBs holding the ball longer than Arch. He’s indecisive and nothing is in rhythm. 

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Have you seen the average depth of Target? Did you see the game plan? You would have thought by mid 2Q, Sark would have went to a quick passing game. He did not. I would expect him to be higher in this game. That whole avoiding rushers tends to make the ball come out slower 

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7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

And I’m telling you a few tenths of the second is the difference between a batted ball or a sack. 

Funny. Arch has been pressured all year. Nobody cared, because he was good at avoiding sacks. Florida is a half step faster and the OL was worse. Pretending Arch is sack magnet is not something I thought I would see. 

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Funny. Arch has been pressured all year. Nobody cared, because he was good at avoiding sacks. Florida is a half step faster and the OL was worse. Pretending Arch is sack magnet is not something I thought I would see. 

Did I call him a sack magnet? No. 

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I only skimmed the last few pages, but how many times this season thru only five games have we heard announcers say "Manning had _____ wide open in the middle of the field and didn't see him". I don't know the number but it's a lot, and it feels like more than every other Texas QB in recent history combined. I don't know if it's vision or confidence, but whatever it is it's bad.

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I mean, it's gotta be difficult to process the mesh and over-the-middle options quickly with so much A gap pressure Arch is facing. But, here we roll him out with a perfectly schemed throw to the flat, and he's still holding on way too long.

What is he scared of? Why hold it so long. He can’t be scared of throwing interceptions, he loves throwing it into triple coverage.
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Caldwell's single pass was on target. He had the pocket presence to know he could hold it that long. 

That's a remarkably thin bit of evidence in favor of Caldwell, but his one play was a stark contrast to the plays preceding and following it.

We're largely fucked whatever we do, but I have a sick sense that Arch's futility is impacting the rest of the team. Football is not a game for the fragile.

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3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Caldwell's single pass was on target. He had the pocket presence to know he could hold it that long. 

That's a remarkably thin bit of evidence in favor of Caldwell, but his one play was a stark contrast to the plays preceding and following it.

We're largely fucked whatever we do, but I have a sick sense that Arch's futility is impacting the rest of the team. Football is not a game for the fragile.

@David Dennison said it best yesterday, Sark ain’t benching his name brand hand picked QB. 

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Agree that Arch is too slow processing right now and often not seeing the open guys. The good news is that often comes with inexperience so it could very well improve. The physical tools are there, I liked his toughness and pocket mobility, now the processing needs to catch up. We'll see.
With that said, Arch is not at fault for most of those pressures. The LG and C were getting whipped nonstop and middle pressure is the toughest to deal with. Nick Brooks literally got a 0.0 pass blocking grade from PFF. The RBs averaged 1 ypc. The OL was as bad as it looked.
Early Quinn would have folded. Final year Quinn would have taken 10 sacks but also got the ball out faster on some plays.

There were plenty of times arch could’ve dumped it out the RB like Quinn did a million times. I would always get so frustrated at Quinn, like someone else has to be open for more yards. Yet here we are.

I agree, it was a whole team effort yesterday of the bad. The o line, arch, receivers, etc..I really was pulling for arch, he was taking a beating and never had a chance but then the final drive I lost all hope. Why are you taking sacks, throw it out of bounds. Literally do anything but take the sack.
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1 minute ago, TexasExe14 said:


There were plenty of times arch could’ve dumped it out the RB like Quinn did a million times. I would always get so frustrated at Quinn, like someone else has to be open for more yards. Yet here we are.

I agree, it was a whole team effort yesterday of the bad. The o line, arch, receivers, etc..I really was pulling for arch, he was taking a beating and never had a chance but then the final drive I lost all hope. Why are you taking sacks, throw it out of bounds. Literally do anything but take the sack.

Can’t say Arch had poor effort. Kid played his ass off. Effort was not an issue there. He could have folded, but one of the few that was throwing punches late

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I think back to that late play with an empty backfield and UF showed possible blitz, left and right.  Left guy got there at the speed of light.  I'm not sure what the right change of play would have been, but that was pretty sad.

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Should be noted this game plan from Sark was up there with the @ Ok State game plan where Sark had Quinn throwing deep in high winds to the tune of something like 19-44 

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2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

They had 35 pressures dude. Jesus Christ you’re just blatantly wrong.

Arch needs to do much better and get the ball out quicker, but to pretend that wasn’t one of the worst Oline performances in the history of this program is bullshit. The sacks were not self sacks on the quarterback, even If he held to long. 35 pressures is an insane number.

You know you are my boy Hobbes but come on. You are one of the smarter guys on the board. We went from being last in air yards to first. So common sense would say the guy throwing the short routes isn't going to see as much pressure and the guy holding the ball. However, since all the back and forth between all of us is he said/he said, lets take a look at the video. 

2nd and 6 here. As a QB it is your responsibility to see the blitz and adjust accordingly. Florida brings 5 so you have to understand that the ball has to come out. Your TE releases and has a good step on the LB. If you put in on him he has a good chance of picking up the first or at least getting you to a 3rd and 1 or 2. However, you hold the ball for 3 one thousand. Then when you take off you draw the defender closest to the LB. If you dump it off he runs for 20+. 

 

 

 

2nd and 10 here. Florida dials up a simulated pressure where they drop out the Boundary DE and bring the field side OLB. That should cue Arch that the RB in the flat is an attractive target. If he lets it go the back gets 5 yards, or more if he can make the DB miss. Instead Arch holds it and takes an unecessary hit delivering it to the TE crosser, who gets folded as soon as he catches it. 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You know you are my boy Hobbes but come on. You are one of the smarter guys on the board. We went from being last in air yards to first. So common sense would say the guy throwing the short routes isn't going to see as much pressure and the guy holding the ball. However, since all the back and forth between all of us is he said/he said, lets take a look at the video. 

2nd and 6 here. As a QB it is your responsibility to see the blitz and adjust accordingly. Florida brings 5 so you have to understand that the ball has to come out. Your TE releases and has a good step on the LB. If you put in on him he has a good chance of picking up the first or at least getting you to a 3rd and 1 or 2. However, you hold the ball for 3 one thousand. Then when you take off you draw the defender closest to the LB. If you dump it off he runs for 20+. 

 

 

 

2nd and 10 here. Florida dials up a simulated pressure where they drop out the Boundary DE and bring the field side OLB. That should cue Arch that the RB in the flat is an attractive target. If he lets it go the back gets 5 yards, or more if he can make the DB miss. Instead Arch holds it and takes an unecessary hit delivering it to the TE crosser, who gets folded as soon as he catches it. 

 

 

 

 

 

Florida brings 5. The Guard is driven straight back into Arch’s lap. He is reading to the right. He takes off and gets the first down. He could have flipped around and tried to get the ball out there. I am not sure the DE isn’t going to be there if he does. Either way, if this is the biggest complaint on Arch. Things are going well.


Second one is a designed screen to Endries. DJ Campbell doesn’t see the defender, if he touches him that play had room. I doubt there is a read there. Manning quick pump outside looked part of the design. Draw the defense out and hit the TE on the screen in the middle 

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3 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

They had 35 pressures dude. Jesus Christ you’re just blatantly wrong.

Arch needs to do much better and get the ball out quicker, but to pretend that wasn’t one of the worst Oline performances in the history of this program is bullshit. The sacks were not self sacks on the quarterback, even If he held to long. 35 pressures is an insane number.

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2nd and 9. Florida brings 5 but Sark gives you Dmo as an outlet in the flat with the closest man 10 yards from him. Again, as a QB it is your responsibility to recognize blitz and understand you do not have time to hold this ball. If you put the ball on 0 he is 1v1 in the open field. You gotta like your chances there. 

 

 

 

1st and 10. Florida brings 5 and the rb slips out into the flat. You dump it to him here and he is running for 30 yards. 

 

3rd and 9 here. We get whipped up front but Sark has a man beater called at the top of the screen. Inside receiver runs a rub route disguised as a fade. Outside receiver sits down at the sticks and is wide open. You throw this on time and the pass rush never gets to you. 

 

2nd and 10. We ran this same throwback screen with Wisner last year vs Florida and I believe we either scored or came close. We had an alley set up but the inaccuracy of this ball threw the timing off. 

 

 

2nd and 10. Florida runs a Fire Zone Blitz here, bringing 5 and dropping into zone behind it. Up top you have a curl where he sits right down and gives you a nice window to throw into. Lagway, of all people, made this same throw against us earlier in the game. 

 

 

 

This is what I am saying he is holding the ball too long. When a team is bringing extra people you cannot be staring 30 yards downfield. You have to know to get the ball out and where to go. Arch doesn't. 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

continued.............

 

2nd and 9. Florida brings 5 but Sark gives you Dmo as an outlet in the flat with the closest man 10 yards from him. Again, as a QB it is your responsibility to recognize blitz and understand you do not have time to hold this ball. If you put the ball on 0 he is 1v1 in the open field. You gotta like your chances there. 

 

 

 

1st and 10. Florida brings 5 and the rb slips out into the flat. You dump it to him here and he is running for 30 yards. 

 

3rd and 9 here. We get whipped up front but Sark has a man beater called at the top of the screen. Inside receiver runs a rub route disguised as a fade. Outside receiver sits down at the sticks and is wide open. You throw this on time and the pass rush never gets to you. 

 

2nd and 10. We ran this same throwback screen with Wisner last year vs Florida and I believe we either scored or came close. We had an alley set up but the inaccuracy of this ball threw the timing off. 

 

 

2nd and 10. Florida runs a Fire Zone Blitz here, bringing 5 and dropping into zone behind it. Up top you have a curl where he sits right down and gives you a nice window to throw into. Lagway, of all people, made this same throw against us earlier in the game. 

 

 

 

This is what I am saying he is holding the ball too long. When a team is bringing extra people you cannot be staring 30 yards downfield. You have to know to get the ball out and where to go. Arch doesn't. 

 

 

 

 

I watched the first one and that was enough for me. 74 flat out missed his guy. Arch is facing a free rusher immediately and you are bitching about Arch. Best part is he throws to his outlet in the flat. That fucking stupid. 

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Florida brings 5. The Guard is driven straight back into Arch’s lap. He is reading to the right. He takes off and gets the first down. He could have flipped around and tried to get the ball out there. I am not sure the DE isn’t going to be there if he does. Either way, if this is the biggest complaint on Arch. Things are going well.


Second one is a designed screen to Endries. DJ Campbell doesn’t see the defender, if he touches him that play had room. I doubt there is a read there. Manning quick pump outside looked part of the design. Draw the defense out and hit the TE on the screen in the middle 

Correct on the screen. However, on the first one he has to recognize blitz and look to get the ball out. There was plenty of time. 3 one thousand. 

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I watched the first one and that was enough for me. 74 flat out missed his guy. Arch is facing a free rusher immediately and you are bitching about Arch. Best part is he throws to his outlet in the flat. That fucking stupid. 

Again, count one thousands. If you can get to three there was plenty of time. All last season we had this same shit going on from the exact same position but it was the QB's fault. Has to recognize you guys said. Now all the sudden the QB has no time? Come on Codaxx. Not only does he not get it out the first time, but he steps past the pass rush and still doesn't see it. 

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9 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Correct on the screen. However, on the first one he has to recognize blitz and look to get the ball out. There was plenty of time. 3 one thousand. 

No. Florida brings 5. Arch shouldn’t expect them to get immediate pressure. 6 come and you have a point. You can’t just play QB expecting every 5 man blitz to get immediate pressure. You are trying way too hard 

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Just now, Thatguy said:

Again, count one thousands. If you can get to three there was plenty of time. All last season we had this same shit going on from the exact same position but it was the QB's fault. Has to recognize you guys said. Now all the sudden the QB has no time? Come on Codaxx. Not only does he not get it out the first time, but he steps past the pass rush and still doesn't see it. 

There wasn’t time. It’s a free rusher from the DL. Actually a great job not taking a sack. Wisner is interesting, because I am not sure he is an outlet there. Appears he is in trying to block, just whiff (happened way too many times), and then makes move to be a receiver. 

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1 hour ago, Dark Horse said:

 

Really critical of Sark not providing more short outlet throws for Arch with no protection...  terrible OL plan for run blocking with our personnel.  Joked about our ridiculous weakness in OL with our deep pockets for NIL.

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

No. Florida brings 5. Arch shouldn’t expect them to get immediate pressure. 6 and have a point. You can’t just play QB expecting every 5 man blitz to get immediate pressure. You are trying way too hard 

So wait a minute. You are a QB playing in a game where the opponent is getting home with regularity and you don't mentally adjust? And I am the one trying too hard? If you know your line isn't holding up and you STILL are holding onto the football then you are a dumb football player. The secret to getting a team's pass rush to back off is three fold. 

1)Run the football

2)Screen the shit out of them

3)Burn them by finding your hot and picking up chunk yardage. 

If you aren't doing those things with 35 pressures what are we doing here?

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22 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

continued.............

 

2nd and 9. Florida brings 5 but Sark gives you Dmo as an outlet in the flat with the closest man 10 yards from him. Again, as a QB it is your responsibility to recognize blitz and understand you do not have time to hold this ball. If you put the ball on 0 he is 1v1 in the open field. You gotta like your chances there. 

 

 

 

1st and 10. Florida brings 5 and the rb slips out into the flat. You dump it to him here and he is running for 30 yards. 

 

3rd and 9 here. We get whipped up front but Sark has a man beater called at the top of the screen. Inside receiver runs a rub route disguised as a fade. Outside receiver sits down at the sticks and is wide open. You throw this on time and the pass rush never gets to you. 

 

2nd and 10. We ran this same throwback screen with Wisner last year vs Florida and I believe we either scored or came close. We had an alley set up but the inaccuracy of this ball threw the timing off. 

 

 

2nd and 10. Florida runs a Fire Zone Blitz here, bringing 5 and dropping into zone behind it. Up top you have a curl where he sits right down and gives you a nice window to throw into. Lagway, of all people, made this same throw against us earlier in the game. 

 

 

 

This is what I am saying he is holding the ball too long. When a team is bringing extra people you cannot be staring 30 yards downfield. You have to know to get the ball out and where to go. Arch doesn't. 

 

 

 

 

I want to make it easier for you and everyone else to do this, how are you clipping them now? 

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

So wait a minute. You are a QB playing in a game where the opponent is getting home with regularity and you don't mentally adjust? And I am the one trying too hard? If you know your line isn't holding up and you STILL are holding onto the football then you are a dumb football player. The secret to getting a team's pass rush to back off is three fold. 

1)Run the football

2)Screen the shit out of them

3)Burn them by finding your hot and picking up chunk yardage. 

If you aren't doing those things with 35 pressures what are we doing here?

You are trying too hard.  You know who sucked when he had pressure and a shitty O line?  Tom Fucking Brady. Just like every QB.  I’m not saying Arch is great or even good.  I honestly don’t know.  I do know when your offensive line can’t run block and you average 1 yard a carry and they are ever worse at pass blocking even the best QBs of all time will make bad plays over and over again.  Last year all you did was defend Ewers and now this year all you do is blame Arch.  It’s kind of strange.  Ewers would be just as bad or worse on this year’s team because he would be a sitting duck behind this line and have worse weapons than last year.  This is all on Sark, the GM.  He built an offense especially O line with his funds.   

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8 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

So wait a minute. You are a QB playing in a game where the opponent is getting home with regularity and you don't mentally adjust? And I am the one trying too hard? If you know your line isn't holding up and you STILL are holding onto the football then you are a dumb football player. The secret to getting a team's pass rush to back off is three fold. 

1)Run the football

2)Screen the shit out of them

3)Burn them by finding your hot and picking up chunk yardage. 

If you aren't doing those things with 35 pressures what are we doing here?

Coach didn’t adjust. What you are saying is Arch should just assume the OL sucks and check down on every blitz 

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5 minutes ago, immamac said:

I want to make it easier for you and everyone else to do this, how are you clipping them now? 

I have adobe pro premiere so I clip it there and drop it here. Simple. 

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1 hour ago, Dark Horse said:

 

Damn, he went after Sark for everything. He bashed OL recruiting. He bashed Sark’s offense. Everything is deep or a screen, nothing in the middle. That is after he p

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2 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

You are trying too hard.  You know who sucked when he had pressure and a shitty O line?  Tom Fucking Brady. Just like every QB.  I’m not saying Arch is great or even good.  I honestly don’t know.  I do know when your offensive line can’t run block and you average 1 yard a carry and they are ever worse at pass blocking even the best QBs of all time will make bad plays over and over again.  Last year all you did was defend Ewers and now this year all you do is blame Arch.  It’s kind of strange.  Ewers would be just as bad or worse on this year’s team because he would be a sitting duck behind this line and have worse weapons that last year.  This is all on Sark, the GM.  He built an offense especially O line with his funds.   

I've been pretty quiet about Arch to this point so stop it. I think Arch will work himself out of this in the long run, but we all have reason to have some remarks as we have lost to the only two P4 teams we've played. 

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Coach didn’t adjust. What you are saying is Arch should just assume the OL sucks and check down on every blitz 

Dude. Seriously? We are really doing this? Every play you drop back you CANNOT be targeting the deepest routes. You have to adjust to what is happening on the field. Just give me 4 checkdowns. And I agree coach isn't adjusting. That's been the case since he has been here. We could be running much easier routes for our QBs. You know that. 

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Just now, Thatguy said:

I've been pretty quiet about Arch to this point so stop it. I think Arch will work himself out of this in the long run, but we all have reason to have some remarks as we have lost to the only two P4 teams we've played. 

Dude. Seriously? We are really doing this? Every play you drop back you CANNOT be targeting the deepest routes. You have to adjust to what is happening on the field. Just give me 4 checkdowns. And I agree coach isn't adjusting. That's been the case since he has been here. We could be running much easier routes for our QBs. You know that. 

You run the play the way Sark designs it. If the 1st read is a 12-20 yard route, that is the read. You are asking Arch to look to his first read, evade pressure, and hit his 4th read on the backside on the play inside of 3 seconds. It’s a big ask.. 

Arch had his issues, but this game was about blocking and Sark (I said blocking, because RBs didn’t have a great day in pass pro either)

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