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40 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

This is a dogshit fastball at Wingo’s feet: Arch is 100% to blame for this incompletion. The ball is the speck on the 35 yard line, right before it hits the turf. 
 

My sincere question; Is it too much to ask Wingo to get down and at least attempt to catch it? It was high velocity, would need to be a quick reaction. 
 

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Yes. Hit him in stride and let’s see what the kid can do.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Hookem10 said:

We have issues and this board is a beating but if yall want to see castles crumbling go checkout lsu, penn st. , Clemson boards. They have worse offenses and had the same expectations we had. They’re out for blood cause they’re actually losing. Ugly win is better than pretty loss. 

This post does not scream “We’re Texas”. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

This is a straw man. Have we taken a big step back this year with OL compared to last year? 

 

That would be valid if we didnt have film of him throwing when hadtime also right? We do have that film too right? 

Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Lerka Lerka said:

Yes. Hit him in stride and let’s see what the kid can do.

Wingo is a generally low effort receiver. Year 3 and dude still has zero 50/50 ball catches. He loses every time. Arch thew him a perfectly winnable 50/50 ball that he made little effort on and luckily got bailed out cause the receiver didnt get his heard around. Go get the ball Wingo. 

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Just now, Thatguy said:

That would be valid if we didnt have film of him throwing when hadtime also right? We do have that film too right? 

Which film are you talking about? The handful of drives vs. UGA when Quinn was benched or the 10 total TDs in the other 2.5 full games he played in? 

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4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Wingo is a generally low effort receiver. Year 3 and dude still has zero 50/50 ball catches. He loses every time. Arch thew him a perfectly winnable 50/50 ball that he made little effort on and luckily got bailed out cause the receiver didnt get his heard around. Go get the ball Wingo. 

Year 2 but agree

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Posted
1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Which film are you talking about? The handful of drives vs. UGA when Quinn was benched or the 10 total TDs in the other 2.5 full games he played in? 

He hasn't been under pressure all year Hank and he still has been the same. Or are you forgetting that? 

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16 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Dude. Attacking the interior gaps while not rushing past quarterback depth so they dont escape out the sides is and has been standard operating procedure for running quarterbacks all our lives. The LG and the C suck but their numbers are even worse because thats where our opponents are sending the extra bodies. Every opponent from here on out is going to try and keep Arch in the pocket. As they should. Its not rocket science. 

Defenses have been getting pressure with 4 and with extra bodies. Kentucky was far and away the most aggressive, lets not pretend that is what Texas has been seeing all year. It is not rocket science, but for some reason you dont understand it. You think attacking the left guard is about Arch and not the abortion at LG and Center. If you get a guy coming through A gap the mobility of the QB does not matter. It is the best pressure in football. Your side bar into you want pressure up the middle on mobile Qbs is just ridiculous. 

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1 hour ago, Dark Horse said:

Brooks -  14.1

Robertson - 30.9

Goosby - 51.8

Baker - 63.3

Campbell - 87.6

 

Brooks had a 0 rating in true pass sets (excludes screens, play action,  and quick passes). There were 10 total true pass sets. 

That is incredible. And to think Stroh would be even worse (well, as bad I guess). How has it come to this?

Posted
25 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Defenses have been getting pressure with 4 and with extra bodies. Kentucky was far and away the most aggressive, lets not pretend that is what Texas has been seeing all year. It is not rocket science, but for some reason you dont understand it. You think attacking the left guard is about Arch and not the abortion at LG and Center. If you get a guy coming through A gap the mobility of the QB does not matter. It is the best pressure in football. Your side bar into you want pressure up the middle on mobile Qbs is just ridiculous. 

Not to poke the bear, but I think this is the angriest I've ever seen you. 

Posted
14 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Defenses have been getting pressure with 4 and with extra bodies. Kentucky was far and away the most aggressive, lets not pretend that is what Texas has been seeing all year. It is not rocket science, but for some reason you dont understand it. You think attacking the left guard is about Arch and not the abortion at LG and Center. If you get a guy coming through A gap the mobility of the QB does not matter. It is the best pressure in football. Your side bar into you want pressure up the middle on mobile Qbs is just ridiculous. 

Man what are you talking about? Wherever you bring pressure from you are vulnerable behind it. Same for how you bring pressure Codaxx. Everyone would bring pressure up the a gaps. Why dont they? Because that leaves vulnerable to simple shallow crossing routes that most quarterbacks would eat you alive with. Slot receiver sees lb pressure and simply runs a 5 yard drag. You know, like the one we missed Wingo on. 

That said, opposing defensive coordinators think like this. We have to try to keep Manning in the pocket but WE CANNOT allow him to escape to his right. He is a far superior passer when rolling right than left. So you remain super sound on your right. Maintain sound right side B and C gap rushes and get exotic in the left B and A gaps. They are sometimes rushing 4 but what those 4 are doing and where they are coming from is what matters. 

If we had Ty Simpson as a quarterback you best believe they wouldn't be coming after him the way they are because he wouldn't be missing Wingo wide open on a shallow crosser. He would be breaking their backs and punishing them from bringing bodies from the middle of the field right where he can see them coming. 

So yes, Brooks and whomever is at C are not playing great. But if you think that them being attacked isnt compounded by who the quarterback is and how they respond to that pressure then you are fooling yourself. 

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Posted
18 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

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5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Why are you trying to talk to a brick wall? 

So its your assertion that Arch has seen this same level of pressure every game, Ohio State? San Jose State? UTEP? and Sam Houston? 

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7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Man what are you talking about? Wherever you bring pressure from you are vulnerable behind it. Same for how you bring pressure Codaxx. Everyone would bring pressure up the a gaps. Why dont they? Because that leaves vulnerable to simple shallow crossing routes that most quarterbacks would eat you alive with. Slot receiver sees lb pressure and simply runs a 5 yard drag. You know, like the one we missed Wingo on. 

That said, opposing defensive coordinators think like this. We have to try to keep Manning in the pocket but WE CANNOT allow him to escape to his right. He is a far superior passer when rolling right than left. So you remain super sound on your right. Maintain sound right side B and C gap rushes and get exotic in the left B and A gaps. They are sometimes rushing 4 but what those 4 are doing and where they are coming from is what matters. 

If we had Ty Simpson as a quarterback you best believe they wouldn't be coming after him the way they are because he wouldn't be missing Wingo wide open on a shallow crosser. He would be breaking their backs and punishing them from bringing bodies from the middle of the field right where he can see them coming. 

So yes, Brooks and whomever is at C are not playing great. But if you think that them being attacked isnt compounded by who the quarterback is and how they respond to that pressure then you are fooling yourself. 

absolutely stupid. Next level stupid. DE/DT stunt has 0 to do with a crossing route. Most of the pressure on the year is not from the 2nd or 3rd level. You are throwing all kind of BS in here. This is simple. A gap pressure is the best pressure in football. Full stop on any stupid rebuttal to that. It is the fastest pressure and it is immediately in the face of the QB. This is the reason the OL blocks inside out, because the that is where the biggest threat is. Defense brings 6 vs 5, they leave the outside guy for the Qb not the inside guy. You are only one in the history of football to argue that you should leave the DT unblocked on a pas play and focus on the CB coming. 

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The OL is average at best but that is not an excuse for Manning. UK's young QB looked better than Texas' young QB.  Does someone want to tell me that Kentucky's OL vs Texas' DL is a substantial Delta better than Texas' OL vs  UK's DL?  No one who knows a football from a pumpkin would say so.   I've seen a few other young QBs this year who are better than Manning.  I thought he might be coming around after ou (still sucks), but after last Saturday night, the answer is no.  No touch on his balls (maybe not those either) makes it tough on receivers.  

Posted
2 hours ago, 6th Street said:

I am also fond of the toss sweep to Niblett with no blockers. Good for a 4-5 yard loss every time.

This Niblett shit has to stop. Even though he only has 4 (it feels like more) It just has to stop. It's square peg round hole bullshit. It's time to get Clark/Simon/Terry/whomever more carries to help keep Wisner intact by the time we get to Georgia and aggy. Wisner is a dawg, but he's 190 lbs, and can get yac, but he gets worn down. 

He had 16 carries against that Ohio State defense, and grinded out 80 yards @ 5 ypc. That was game 1, so it was to be expected. Baxter had 10 for 40, so slightly above equal carries.

Baxter hasn't played since UTEP where he had 1 carry for 6 yards, so essentially he's only played in 2 games. Wisner needs help, and we have it just sitting on the bench (Clark 32 carries, but 13 carries against SHSU, 7 against UTEP, and then it's just 1-3 carries w/ 1 TD; Simon 27 carries, 17 against UTEP, and then 9 vs SHSU and 3 vs OU w/ O TD's; Niblett 4 carries for 17 yds @ 4.3 ypc w/ 0 TD's Gibson, when he didn't portal, had 37 - 7 vs SJSU, 18 vs UTEP, 11 vs SHSU, and 1 against OU w/ 1 TD. Sark didn't even bother giving him carries against UF where his entire family came to see him. Dick move.). What's the point in having healthy RB's if you aren't using them effectively or effeciantly? 

22 against OU

12 against Kentucky, and was stuffed repeatedly. 1 TD

He only got 8 against UF because Sark wanted to let the ball fly. Still, 1 TD rushing and 1 receiving. 

He didn't play against any of SJSU, UTEP, SHSU. 

He has 58 carries for 222 yds in 4 games and he's averaging 3.4 ypc in conference & 3.8 tot w/ 2 TDs rushing and 1 receiving. He has 8 more carries than last year (I'm only doing 4 games against quality competition/conference) 3 tot TD's. That's abhorrent. 

Arch has the exact same amount of runs avg 3.3 ypc but w/ 5 TD's rushing 

He had 226 carries last year avg 4.7 ypc w/ 5 TD's rushing and 1 receiving in 15 games. Terrible. And we saw how banged up he was, and we had literally no one to help so we moved Niblett to RB. Now that we have healthy backs, Sarkisian isn't using them. 

How to mismanage your RB room 101. I don't know if it's Sark or Scott who is making the call to put which runners in, but they're failing....again. 

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Posted (edited)
14 minutes ago, Jon Bovi said:

The OL is average at best but that is not an excuse for Manning. UK's young QB looked better than Texas' young QB.  Does someone want to tell me that Kentucky's OL vs Texas' DL is a substantial Delta better than Texas' OL vs  UK's DL?  No one who knows a football from a pumpkin would say so.   I've seen a few other young QBs this year who are better than Manning.  I thought he might be coming around after ou (still sucks), but after last Saturday night, the answer is no.  No touch on his balls (maybe not those either) makes it tough on receivers.  

This.

I said during the game that I’m out on Manning. I want to see Caldwell or Lacey. Run the triple option, I don’t give a shit. If Manning wasn’t his last name he would be getting crucified on this board.

He won’t win any kind of championship while at Texas.

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Posted
45 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

absolutely stupid. Next level stupid. DE/DT stunt has 0 to do with a crossing route. Most of the pressure on the year is not from the 2nd or 3rd level. You are throwing all kind of BS in here. This is simple. A gap pressure is the best pressure in football. Full stop on any stupid rebuttal to that. It is the fastest pressure and it is immediately in the face of the QB. This is the reason the OL blocks inside out, because the that is where the biggest threat is. Defense brings 6 vs 5, they leave the outside guy for the Qb not the inside guy. You are only one in the history of football to argue that you should leave the DT unblocked on a pas play and focus on the CB coming. 

Lol. You are moving the goalposts. I said that the reason they were attacking the way they were is because its ideal for mobile quarterbacks and Arch hasn't proven he can beat it. Of course you block inside out. Who is saying you shouldn't? weirdo! 

Kentucky brought pressure and we didnt identify it and hurt them on the back end. So they continued doing it. You want it to stop get the ball out. Its as simple as that. 

You guys did this same shit last year. When we couldn't run the ball it wasn't systemic issues we've had for years it was Quinn's fault. When Wingo wouldn't be physical and compete for the ball I was told it wasn't that Wingo was soft. No no no. It was Quinn's fault and we would see a different Wingo this year when Arch was behind center. 

When I said last year Arch didnt see the field and was holding the ball too long I was told I didnt know what I was talking about and I would see this year how much better dude was. 

Now here we go again. Discounting everything I say again as if I dont know ball. All you assholes were wrong and now you are scrambling to blame anything and anyone for this dudes shortcomings. The only person standing on business is @BurntOrange&White. Now you are flat put calling me dumb about how teams try to rush mobile quarterbacks when if you Google it you will get a return of plenty of highly paid people telling you the same thing. Honestly, im pretty tired of arguing with yall. Maybe I will just sit back and let the season play out and watch you guys scramble around and make more excuses. Especially when we play another team that doesn't have a strong pass rush and dude is still doing the same thing. You guys are exhausting. Dude is barely serviceable bro.

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Posted
2 hours ago, BlackCat said:

Wingo is a classic NIL conundrum. You tell the donors we need the money for Arch’s deep threat. He cost a lot. We aren’t gonna stop banging our head against that wall any time soon. 

Correct. It's negligence because we have Lockett who is a mucn better and natural "X" with stronger hands who will challenge DBs and win the 50/50 balls, but classic Sarkisian doesn't want to dumb down the playbook to get the talented freshmen we have legit playing time. He literally had a blue print watching UF use both Dallas Wilson 6/111/2 and Vernell Brown III 3/72 to abuse our secondary. 

Steve "offensive guru" Sarkisian offense to WR's - 

Ryan Wingo (TEX) - Soph - 320 - 4 TD's (credit where credit is due, against UF he went 4/73/1)

Parker Livingstone (TEX) - 308 - 3 TD's 

(2/47/0 against UF)

DeAndre Moore (TEX) - 277 - 1 TD 

(3/75/0 against UF)

Endries had a 2 yd TD against UF 

Wisner 2/17/1 against UF 
 

All of these guys that we've either played or are on a top 25 team WR stats are either younger, same class, or much better (disregard TD's since the yards reflect getting open and moving the chains):

Vernell Brown III (UF) - FR - 463 0 TD's 

Bryant Wesco, Jr. (Clem) - Soph - 537 - 6 TD's 

TJ Moore (Clem) - Soph - 407 - 3 TD's 

Ryan Williams (Bama) - Soph - 423 - 3 TD's 

Jeremiah Smith (fOSU) - Soph - 602 - 7 TD's 

Mario Craver (aggy) - Soph - 674 - 4 TD's 

Dakorian Moore (ORE) - FR - 394 - 3 TD's 

Deuce Alexander (Ole Miss)- Soph - 382 - 1 TD

Malachi Toney (MIA) - FR - 510 - 3 TD's 

Braylon Staley (Tenn) - FR - 523 - 3 TD's 

Mike Matthews (Tenn) - Soph - 455 - 2 TDs 

 

All but 2 are over 400-500+ These are just WR stats. Their RB stats for these teams are well over 350+ 

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

This Niblett shit has to stop. Even though he only has 4 (it feels like more) It just has to stop.

This is the playcalling that I feel that I can comment on. These plays need to be set up by building anticipation in the defenders that the play will go the other way. I don't see us doing anything like that. The absurd trick play on third and three last Saturday is a perfect example. We weren't desperately in need of a big play. We could likely get the first with a run. 

We run that pitch pitch pitch pass when the defense remains steady in their assigned roles. The game has not gone on long enough for them to think, oh boy, here's comes another tough run by Wisner, I need to stop that shit.

That play is for later in the game when you need it to catch up or put somebody away. We were not desperate. Merely stupid.

Take small victories.

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3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

This is the playcalling that I feel that I can comment on. These plays need to be set up by building anticipation in the defenders that the play will go the other way. I don't see us doing anything like that. The absurd trick play on third and three last Saturday is a perfect example. We weren't desperately in need of a big play. We could likely get the first with a run. 

We run that pitch pitch pitch pass when the defense remains steady in their assigned roles. The game has not gone on long enough for them to think, "oh boy, here's comes another tough run by Wisner, I need to stop that shit.

That play is for later in the game when you need it to catch up or put somebody away. We were not desperate. Merely stupid.

Take small victories.

The trick play will forever be the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a game so early. The fail was so intense it felt like i was re-watching the video of this guy who asked a girl in Australia while he was visiting if he jumped into the water with crocs would she go on a date with him? Guess how that ended? He did get the date, but he is 3/4 human now. 

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Trying to figure out the Flood situation.  His OL at Bama were mauling people.  There were rumors that he and Sark were getting into it at practice over personnel decisions.  Is Flood picking his own guys (large humans) or is it Sark/Harris/Banks?  That matters if we're just gonna shit can him.  Also, some of you olds will remember us fans hated the fact that Mack took smaller OL and did zone blocking.  Caveat Emptor

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12 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Trying to figure out the Flood situation.  His OL at Bama were mauling people.  There were rumors that he and Sark were getting into it at practice over personnel decisions.  Is Flood picking his own guys (large humans) or is it Sark/Harris/Banks?  That matters if we're just gonna shit can him.  Also, some of you olds will remember us fans hated the fact that Mack took smaller OL and did zone blocking.  Caveat Emptor

He was only there for two seasons and was using Doug Marrone's players, not his own. I did his recruiting breakdown for Bama and only two got drafted that he recruited, but he wasn't the one to get them drafted. The others either busted or transferred. I can't remember which thread it is in. 

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7 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Trying to figure out the Flood situation.  His OL at Bama were mauling people.  There were rumors that he and Sark were getting into it at practice over personnel decisions.  Is Flood picking his own guys (large humans) or is it Sark/Harris/Banks?  That matters if we're just gonna shit can him.  Also, some of you olds will remember us fans hated the fact that Mack took smaller OL and did zone blocking.  Caveat Emptor

Can we quit trying to assign the accomplishments of Bama to anyone other than Saban.  He had a revolving door of assistants and  dominated.  It's not much of a leap to say that the greatest college coach of all time knew how to build a roster even it it wasn't a level playing field.

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5 hours ago, ITHorn said:

I could see where you are coming from if we are also going to simplify the offense and stop with the stupid trick plays on 3 and 2,etc. If your throwing anyone else out in this offense with the current gameplan I don't think you are going to get wildly different results in the long run.

That was one play, and a dumb play, please don't mistake me for giving Sark a pass. That doesn't excuse the inability to hit a wide open WR from a clean pocket with your feet set. 

The rushed throws, the throw when he's under pressure...sure.

3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Here's the play and reaction with Wingo running off to the bench. Again, I understand the frustration. But it's the 1st quarter. It's concerning. 

 

 

 

Okay i'll be the asshole and say I don't really see much here to bitch about from Wingo.  Maybe some are so over wingo they're projecting...but this seems like a guy who ran a play that didn't hit, went to the bench cause he's already over there and sat down. I don't see shit on his face that even says he's upset honestly.

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Posted
40 minutes ago, immamac said:

He quit during NIL because he couldn't fucking cheat anymore. 

Isn't having a top 5 NIL budget same as cheating against the rest of the field? You're able to out talent most of your competition with that budget. Then we should expect the on-field performance better than 99.9% of the competition.

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3 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Isn't having a top 5 NIL budget same as cheating against the rest of the field? You're able to out talent most of your competition with that budget. Then we should expect the on-field performance better than 99.9% of the competition.

Before revshare. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, immamac said:

Before revshare. 

Maybe it's a discussion for another thread, do you know or think that the smaller SEC programs are matching the big dogs on revenue share? Like, miss state/ UK paying as much as Texas/UGA? 

Posted
1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

This is the playcalling that I feel that I can comment on. These plays need to be set up by building anticipation in the defenders that the play will go the other way. I don't see us doing anything like that. The absurd trick play on third and three last Saturday is a perfect example. We weren't desperately in need of a big play. We could likely get the first with a run. 

We run that pitch pitch pitch pass when the defense remains steady in their assigned roles. The game has not gone on long enough for them to think, "oh boy, here's comes another tough run by Wisner, I need to stop that shit.

That play is for later in the game when you need it to catch up or put somebody away. We were not desperate. Merely stupid.

Take small victories.

Why not both? With an offense that putrid, it's just sane to be desperate at the start of the game.

But yeah, it was way to early for that shit.

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Manning has already been hit as much as Quinn was for a full season last year. 
 

The OL is the biggest issue with Sark and Manning sharing blame as well.


When you get hit that often, your accuracy will suffer some. It shouldn’t suffer this much. He needs to keep playing.

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

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Sometimes he gets hit because he doesn't throw the fucking ball. 

According to PFF Arch’s self-pressure rate is ~11%. That puts him in the 90th percentile for qualified QBs (that’s very good). As a reference Quinn was the 11th most self-pressured among qualified QBs last year. So most of Arch’s pressures are coming from poor protection 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Revolution512 said:

When you get hit that often, your accuracy will suffer some. It shouldn’t suffer this much. He needs to keep playing.

This is completely fair and I agree with it completely ... BUT ... Arch also missed wide-open throws without pressure and with his feet set against OhSt.

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