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This is a pretty good read:

https://www.usmcu.edu/Outreach/Marine-Corps-University-Press/Expeditions-with-MCUP-digital-journal/Escaping-Atonement-in-Sunni-Islam/

The Palestinians are Sunni. It's sad to say, but this looks exactly what the Palestinians prefer. Death by Jihad gets you to the front of the line for Paradise and your 72 virgins.

The Quran states: 

"And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or you die, the forgiveness and mercy of Allah are better than all that you amass."18 

"Surely those who believe and those who leave their homes and fight in the way of Allah, may hope for his benevolence for Allah is forgiving and kind."19

"Do you think that you will get away before Allah knows who among you fought and did not take anyone but Allah, His Apostle and the faithful as their friends? Allah is cognizant of all that you do."20

"But (to) those who were victimized and left their homes and then fought and endured patiently, your Lord will surely be forgiving and kind."21

"He who strives (jihad) does so for himself. Verily Allah is independent of the creatures of the world."22 

"Those who fear Allah and follow the straight path will surely be in gardens and in bliss, Rejoicing at what their Lord has given them; and their Lord will preserve them from the torment of Hell. 'Eat and drink with relish,' (they will be told), (as recompense) for what you have done."23 

"Reclining there on carpets lined with brocade, fruits of the garden hanging low within reach. How many favors of your Lord will then both of you deny? In them maidens with averted glances, undeflowered by man or by jinn before them."24 

"If you give alms openly, it is well, and if you hide it and give it to the poor, it is better for you; and this will do away with some of your evil deeds; and Allah is aware of what you do."25

"And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds."26

 

Palestinians will gladly go to their deaths for Allah, just as the early Christians were happily martyred in the Roman Colosseum. This is a religious war that can only end with genocide, one way or the other, or the Palestinians are going to have to be disobedient to Quaranic verses, which would obviously be a serious sin, possibly leading to eternal damnation. Hamas and the Palestinians started this, and are the only ones that can stop it.

You cannot look at this through secular eyes, but through religious understanding. If you have no faith, no religion, no understanding of their fear of hell, it's all just platitudes based in ignorance of Islamic doctrine. 

This is the view they have of themselves, every man, woman, and child, and with their beliefs, who could blame them:

CHIEF

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2 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Yea idk even if those numbers were completely fudged and the total number of women and children slaughtered was only like 5000 I don’t think I’d fell any better about that. But that’s just me. 

The whole argument is gross, akin to how much quibbling their was about the "real numbers" during the Holocaust.

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Some good news

Aid for Gaza will soon flow from pier project just finished by US military, Pentagon says

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon said Thursday that humanitarian aid will soon begin flowing onto the Gaza shore through the new pier that was anchored to the beach and will begin reaching those in need almost immediately.

Sabrina Singh, Pentagon spokeswoman, told reporters that the U.S. believes there will be no backups in the distribution of the aid, which is being coordinated by the United Nations.

The U.N., however, said fuel imports have all but stopped and this will make it extremely difficult to deliver the aid to Gaza’s people, all 2.3 million of whom are in acute need of food and other supplies after seven months of intense fighting between Israel and Hamas.

“We desperately need fuel,” U.N. deputy spokesman Farhan Haq said. “It doesn’t matter how the aid comes, whether it’s by sea or whether by land, without fuel, aid won’t get to the people.”

Singh said the issue of fuel deliveries comes up in all conversations with the Israelis.

The U.S. military finished installing a floating pier off the Gaza Strip early Thursday, and officials were making final checks before trucks begin driving onto the shore to deliver pallets of aid.

The pier project, expected to cost $320 million, was ordered more than two months ago by U.S. President Joe Biden to help starving Palestinians as Israeli restrictions on border crossings and heavy fighting hinder food and other supplies from making it into Gaza.

Fraught with logistical, weather and security challenges, the pier project is not considered a substitute for far cheaper deliveries by land that aid agencies say are much more sustainable.

The boatloads of aid will be deposited at a port facility built by the Israelis just southwest of Gaza City and then distributed by aid groups.

U.S. officials said Thursday as much as 500 tons of food will begin arriving on the Gaza shore within days and that the U.S. has closely coordinated with Israel on how to protect the ships and personnel working on the beach.

But there are still questions on how aid groups will safely operate in Gaza to distribute food to those who need it most, said Sonali Korde, assistant to the administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development’s Bureau for Humanitarian Assistance, which is helping with logistics.

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“There is a very insecure operating environment” and aid groups are still struggling to get clearance for their planned movements in Gaza, Korde said. Those talks with the Israeli military “need to get to a place where humanitarian aid workers feel safe and secure and able to operate safely. And I don’t think we’re there yet.”

Fighting between Israeli troops and Palestinian militants on the outskirts of the southern city of Rafah as well as Israel restarting combat operations in parts of northern Gaza have displaced some 700,000 people, U.N. officials say. Israel recently seized the key Rafah border crossing in its push against Hamas.

Pentagon officials say the fighting isn’t threatening the new shoreline aid distribution area, but they have made it clear that security conditions will be monitored closely and could prompt a shutdown of the maritime route, even just temporarily.

Already, the site has been targeted by mortar fire during its construction, and Hamas has threatened to target any foreign forces who “occupy” the Gaza Strip.

The “protection of U.S. forces participating is a top priority. And as such, in the last several weeks, the United States and Israel have developed an integrated security plan to protect all the personnel,” said Navy Vice Adm. Brad Cooper, a deputy commander at the U.S. military’s Central Command. “We are confident in the ability of this security arrangement to protect those involved.”

Central Command stressed that none of its forces entered the Gaza Strip to secure the pier and would not during its operations. It said trucks with aid would move ashore in the coming days and “the United Nations will receive the aid and coordinate its distribution into Gaza.”

The World Food Program will be the U.N. agency handling the aid, officials said.

Israeli forces will be in charge of security on shore, but there are also two U.S. Navy warships nearby, the USS Arleigh Burke and the USS Paul Ignatius. Both are destroyers equipped with a wide range of weapons and capabilities to protect American troops offshore and allies on the beach.

Israeli military spokesman Lt. Col. Nadav Shoshani confirmed that the pier had been attached and that Israeli engineering units had flattened ground around the area and surfaced roads for trucks.

“We have been working for months on full cooperation with (the U.S. military) on this project, facilitating it, supporting it in any way possible,” Shoshani said. “It’s a top priority in our operation.”

The U.N., U.S. and international aid groups say Israel is allowing only a fraction of the normal pre-war deliveries of food and other supplies into Gaza since Hamas’ attacks on Israel launched the war in October. Aid agencies say they are running out of food in southern Gaza and fuel is dwindling, while USAID and the World Food Program say famine has taken hold in Gaza’s north.

Israel says it places no limits on the entry of humanitarian aid and blames the U.N. for delays in distributing goods entering Gaza. The U.N. says fighting, Israeli fire and chaotic security conditions have hindered delivery. Under pressure from the U.S., Israel has in recent weeks opened a pair of crossings to deliver aid into hard-hit northern Gaza and said that a series of Hamas attacks on the main crossing, Kerem Shalom, have disrupted the flow of goods.

The first cargo ship loaded with food left Cyprus last week and the cargo was transferred to a U.S. military ship, the Roy P. Benavidez, off the coast of Gaza.

Military leaders have said the deliveries of aid will begin slowly to ensure the system works. They will start with about 90 truckloads of aid a day through the sea route, and that number will quickly grow to about 150 a day. Aid agencies say that isn’t enough and must be just one part of a broader Israeli effort to open land corridors.

Because land crossings could bring in all the needed aid if Israeli officials allowed it, the U.S.-built pier-and-sea route “is a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist,” said Scott Paul, an associate director of the Oxfam humanitarian organization.

Under the new sea route, humanitarian aid is dropped off in Cyprus where it will undergo inspection and security checks at Larnaca port. It is then loaded onto ships and taken about 200 miles (320 kilometers) to the large floating pier built by the U.S. military off the Gaza coast.

There, the pallets are transferred onto trucks, driven onto smaller Army boats and then shuttled several miles (kilometers) to the causeway anchored to the beach. The trucks, which are being driven by personnel from another country, will go down the causeway into a secure area on land where they will drop off the aid and immediately turn around and return to the boats.

Aid groups will collect the supplies for distribution.

 

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Does anyone have a list of the remaining hostages, their ages, and where they are from? I think there are still American hostages being held and a bunch of hostages from all over the world.

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1 hour ago, Bevo said:

Does anyone have a list of the remaining hostages, their ages, and where they are from? I think there are still American hostages being held and a bunch of hostages from all over the world.

This is the first thing that came up for me, but it's just a list of names:

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/6140595/jewish/Names-of-the-Hostages-in-Gaza-for-Prayer.htm

 

The BBC also has this list, which has much more information about each of them individually.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67053011

 

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The temporary pier was anchored to a Gaza beach last Thursday as Israel comes under growing global pressure to allow more supplies into the besieged coastal enclave, where it is at war with Palestinian militants Hamas and a famine looms.

Operations began on Friday and 10 aid trucks were driven by UN contractors to a World Food Programme warehouse in Deir El Balah in Gaza. But on Saturday, only five trucks made it to the warehouse after 11 others were intercepted.


"Crowds had stopped the trucks at various points along the way. There was ... what I think I would refer to as self-distribution," UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric told reporters in New York on Tuesday. 

https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/new-routes-planned-halted-gaza-aid-us-built-pier-857726

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Responding here since it's more war-related than protest shit.

The evacuation zone is roughly 15 sq. mi., as far as I can tell, assuming that's where the IDF's current operations are concentrated. From there, I can only assume they'll work their way NxNW to the coast. According to Reuters, about 800,000 of the 1.15 million refugees have evacuated, which leaves roughly 350,000 civilians. 

While Brisket's point that Bibi is stalling for political reasons might be valid, I'd also argue that the IDF is taking much more care than previously in protecting civilian lives, as is their legal obligation. While there might be shelling and bombing, it doesn't appear to be the mass, indiscriminate aerial campaign that we'd seen earlier. I guess international pressure is working to some degree in that regard.

On average, a little over 200 Palestinians have been killed per day since the start of the conflict (according to Ministry of Health figures). Still, even with this new campaign, only 62 Palestinians were reportedly killed yesterday in the last update, so that would argue they're being more careful about not killing innocent civilians. 

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https://acleddata.com/2024/05/14/mapping-israels-latest-push-into-gazas-rafah-acled-brief/

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According to game theory both Hamas and Israel fucked up here but Israel is continuing to fuck up much in the same way the US fucked up after 9/11. They've made their retaliation now they need to pull back and repair their global image or it will continue to get worse for them. 

 

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The chief of the IDF already loudly proclaimed that Bibi has no strategic goals for the Gaza fiasco. Cleaning out Hamas in an area, then not having anything to replace them with so Hamas shows back up. 

As I said earlier, this whole fiasco must be viewed through the lens of Bibi holding onto power. And unfortunately, there aren't enough votes in the Knesset to force an early election.

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Hamas just keeps poking the bear. They shot rockets into Israel yesterday. They don't give a shit about gaining sympathy, but they keep getting it in spades.

CHIEF

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On 5/14/2024 at 9:29 PM, CHIEF said:

This is a pretty good read:

https://www.usmcu.edu/Outreach/Marine-Corps-University-Press/Expeditions-with-MCUP-digital-journal/Escaping-Atonement-in-Sunni-Islam/

The Palestinians are Sunni. It's sad to say, but this looks exactly what the Palestinians prefer. Death by Jihad gets you to the front of the line for Paradise and your 72 virgins.

The Quran states: 

"And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or you die, the forgiveness and mercy of Allah are better than all that you amass."18 

"Surely those who believe and those who leave their homes and fight in the way of Allah, may hope for his benevolence for Allah is forgiving and kind."19

"Do you think that you will get away before Allah knows who among you fought and did not take anyone but Allah, His Apostle and the faithful as their friends? Allah is cognizant of all that you do."20

"But (to) those who were victimized and left their homes and then fought and endured patiently, your Lord will surely be forgiving and kind."21

"He who strives (jihad) does so for himself. Verily Allah is independent of the creatures of the world."22 

"Those who fear Allah and follow the straight path will surely be in gardens and in bliss, Rejoicing at what their Lord has given them; and their Lord will preserve them from the torment of Hell. 'Eat and drink with relish,' (they will be told), (as recompense) for what you have done."23 

"Reclining there on carpets lined with brocade, fruits of the garden hanging low within reach. How many favors of your Lord will then both of you deny? In them maidens with averted glances, undeflowered by man or by jinn before them."24 

"If you give alms openly, it is well, and if you hide it and give it to the poor, it is better for you; and this will do away with some of your evil deeds; and Allah is aware of what you do."25

"And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds."26

 

Palestinians will gladly go to their deaths for Allah, just as the early Christians were happily martyred in the Roman Colosseum. This is a religious war that can only end with genocide, one way or the other, or the Palestinians are going to have to be disobedient to Quaranic verses, which would obviously be a serious sin, possibly leading to eternal damnation. Hamas and the Palestinians started this, and are the only ones that can stop it.

You cannot look at this through secular eyes, but through religious understanding. If you have no faith, no religion, no understanding of their fear of hell, it's all just platitudes based in ignorance of Islamic doctrine. 

This is the view they have of themselves, every man, woman, and child, and with their beliefs, who could blame them:

CHIEF

I don't think you understand any of the material you linked. lol

This is an ethnic conflict over power, land and resources and like other problems in the M.E. this started after the dismantling of the Ottoman empire.

While unrelated the link was interesting and like Christian soteriology certain soteriological positions can really warp someone's view. I would also add that Christian eschatology probably has way too much influence on this conflict.

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4 minutes ago, F250 said:

This is an ethnic conflict over power, land and resources and like other problems in the M.E.

It’s really this straight forward. Once you recognize that the primary ethnicities in conflict are European Ashkenazi and Middle Eastern Arabs it’s all pretty fucking obvious what the century long play has been. 

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7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

The Ashkenazi that’ve been expelled from country to country for 5,000 years before they returned to their roots, where they were originally expelled?  So tell me why Jews can’t have a country, in their ancestral homeland, when they’re surrounded by Arab countries?  And can’t be free to wage war against entities that wage war on them continuously for 75 years, including shooting rockets at them nonstop for like 35 years?

This seems incorrect. Your history seems to be really off here. It's almost as if you don't know what you are talking about.

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14 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

The Ashkenazi that’ve been expelled from country to country for 5,000 years before they returned to their roots, where they were originally expelled?

Show your work. In particular the so called roots and expulsion from the Middle East. What are you even talking about? 5,000 years. lol. Just obvious absurdity. 

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7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Show your work. In particular the so called roots and expulsion from the Middle East. What are you even talking about? 5,000 years. lol. Just obvious absurdity. 

The Ashkenazi built the pyramids. I’m shocked people are even debating this point.

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21 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Show your work. In particular the so called roots and expulsion from the Middle East. What are you even talking about? 5,000 years. lol. Just obvious absurdity. 

Your average 6th grader today has a better understanding of history.

I legit cannot fathom how some people come to these conclusions.

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Reuters reports this morning that the refugees who were blown to bits were in a designated "humanitarian zone" and that they're still under Israeli fire. Since the bombing of the refugee camp, an additional 26 Palestinians have been killed.

Global leaders voiced horror at the fire in a designated "humanitarian zone" where families uprooted by fighting elsewhere in Gaza had sought shelter, and urged the implementation of a World Court order for a halt to Israel's assault.

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Residents said Rafah's Tel Al-Sultan neighbourhood, the scene of Sunday's night-time strike in which tents and shelters were set ablaze as families settled down to sleep, was still being bombarded.

"Tank shells are falling everywhere in Tel Al-Sultan. Many families have fled their houses in western Rafah under fire throughout the night," one resident told Reuters via a chat app.

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Reuters is now reporting yet another attack on refugees in a humanitarian zone, killing at least 21.

CAIRO, May 28 (Reuters) - Israeli strikes on a tent camp in an evacuation area west of Rafah killed at least 21 on Tuesday, Gaza health authorities said, and tanks advanced to the centre of the southern Gaza city for the first time after a night of heavy bombardment.

Two days after an Israeli airstrike on another camp stirred global condemnation, Gaza emergency services said four tank shells hit a cluster of tents in Al-Mawasi, a coastal area that Israel had advised civilians in Rafah to move to for safety.

At least 12 of the dead were women, according to medical officials in the Hamas militant-run Palestinian enclave. An Israeli military spokesperson said: "As of this time, we are not aware of this incident."

In central Rafah, tanks and armoured vehicles mounted with machineguns were spotted near Al-Awda mosque, witnesses told Reuters. The Israeli military said its forces continued to operate in the Rafah area, without commenting on reported advances into the city centre.

International unease over Israel's three-week-old Rafah offensive has turned to outrage after an attack on Sunday set off a blaze in a tent camp in a western district of the city, killing at least 45 people. Israel said it had targeted Hamas commanders and had not intended to cause civilian casualties.

Global leaders voiced horror at the fire in a designated "humanitarian zone" of Rafah where families uprooted by fighting elsewhere had sought shelter, and urged the implementation of a World Court order last week for a halt to Israel's assault.

Tuesday's attack occurred in an area designated by Israel as an expanded humanitarian zone, to which it had called on civilians in Rafah to evacuate for their own safety when it launched its incursion in early May.

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Reuters is now reporting yet another attack on refugees in a humanitarian zone, killing at least 21.

CAIRO, May 28 (Reuters) - Israeli strikes on a tent camp in an evacuation area west of Rafah killed at least 21 on Tuesday, Gaza health authorities said, and tanks advanced to the centre of the southern Gaza city for the first time after a night of heavy bombardment.

Two days after an Israeli airstrike on another camp stirred global condemnation, Gaza emergency services said four tank shells hit a cluster of tents in Al-Mawasi, a coastal area that Israel had advised civilians in Rafah to move to for safety.

At least 12 of the dead were women, according to medical officials in the Hamas militant-run Palestinian enclave. An Israeli military spokesperson said: "As of this time, we are not aware of this incident."

In central Rafah, tanks and armoured vehicles mounted with machineguns were spotted near Al-Awda mosque, witnesses told Reuters. The Israeli military said its forces continued to operate in the Rafah area, without commenting on reported advances into the city centre.

International unease over Israel's three-week-old Rafah offensive has turned to outrage after an attack on Sunday set off a blaze in a tent camp in a western district of the city, killing at least 45 people. Israel said it had targeted Hamas commanders and had not intended to cause civilian casualties.

Global leaders voiced horror at the fire in a designated "humanitarian zone" of Rafah where families uprooted by fighting elsewhere had sought shelter, and urged the implementation of a World Court order last week for a halt to Israel's assault.

Tuesday's attack occurred in an area designated by Israel as an expanded humanitarian zone, to which it had called on civilians in Rafah to evacuate for their own safety when it launched its incursion in early May.


You need to stop being so anti-Semitic.
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Israel has the right to protect itself by preemptively burning children in tents before they become a threat. The Ashkenazis mysteriously disappeared crumbling the Mayan empire and you’re going to try to take that away from them?

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9 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

My history is one hundo. I went a little biblical after drinking and the historicity can be debated. What cannot be debated is Jews have spent a huge chunk of the last 2,000 years being displaced and persecuted and murdered for being Jewish by the millions. 

Your understanding of the topic is rooted in ignorance.

The discussion was on the current conflict which is a modern conflict and as Anastasis pointed out, it's a conflict that originated with the migration of Europeans to Palestine.

The Ashkenazi emerged in Europe during the middle ages, Yiddish is some kind of German dialect, they are white Europeans, and imported European culture to Palestine. These are not the ancient Israelites from biblical times. Like every other place Europeans settled that had an existing population, conflict between the settlers and locals occurred.

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8 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Bolverk does a decent job masking his propaganda. I mean, I still know where he stands with his constant barrage of anti-Israel posts. You are a step shy of being an overt Hamas supporter. My history is unassailable.

There goes the little chihuahua yapping again.

My stance is clear:

Both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to their own sovereign states within the internationally recognized borders of 1967. This "right" is justified by more recent modern history (based on the pragmatic recognition of the existing populations: 7 million Jews, 7 million Palestinians) and deeper ancient history (indigenous population claims).

If you want to get technical about the history stuff, research shows the modern-day Jewish and Arab populations living in Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza have about 50% of their DNA that can be traced to the same genetic pool that occupied the region 2,000 years ago. For Israeli Jews, the other 50% is from intermingling with Europeans (Ashkenazi and Sephardic). For the Palestinians, the other 50% is from intermingling with Arabs. Basically, the Jews who left the region during the Roman Empire retained their religion. Those who stayed converted to Christianity under the Romans and then later to Islam.

Since these two groups can't seem to get along, the best option, both morally and ethically, is to have two states side by side, again, within the internationally recognized borders from 1967.

Yes, Israel certainly has the right to defend itself from attacks, but it doesn't have the right to kill Palestinian non-combatants. Yes, Israel has the duty to go after Hamas, but it does not have the right to flatten Gaza in the process. In fact, they have a duty, under international law, to protect the civilian population. I haven't wavered from these opinions and consistently made the same arguments from the beginning of this entire mess.

Any claim that I "support Hamas" is simply a flat-out lie. Hamas is a terrorist organization that has no interest in serving the greater good of the people living in Gaza. If you know anything about my posting history, you'll know I'm not a fan of religious extremists of any stripe, whether they're Islamic, Christian, or Jewish, because they all spell trouble for everyone around them.

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Dammit. The one avenue Israel could not block.

US Gaza pier knocked out of action by heavy seas

A temporary pier built by the US military to deliver aid to Gaza has been damaged by heavy seas and will take at least a week to be repaired, according to US officials.

US forces began building the floating pier - which is attached to Gaza's shoreline by a temporary causeway - several weeks ago.

The causeway portion of the project has now reportedly broken off and will have to be repaired before being returned to its position.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c033m529ry0o

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9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Dammit. The one avenue Israel could not block.

US Gaza pier knocked out of action by heavy seas

A temporary pier built by the US military to deliver aid to Gaza has been damaged by heavy seas and will take at least a week to be repaired, according to US officials.

US forces began building the floating pier - which is attached to Gaza's shoreline by a temporary causeway - several weeks ago.

The causeway portion of the project has now reportedly broken off and will have to be repaired before being returned to its position.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c033m529ry0o

You know who wouldn'ta let that happen?

JOHN FUCKING WAYNE, THAT'S WHO.

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You know who wouldn'ta let that happen?

JOHN FUCKING WAYNE, THAT'S WHO.

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He talked the talk, but William Frawley did all the actual work.

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9 minutes ago, Poester said:

Hamas sure didn’t think this one through. What an ass kicking. 

Yeah, don't think they anticipated global protests in support of Palestine, recognition from Western European Nations of Statehood, and Israel becoming a pariah state closer to how Russia acts than a western style democracy.

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8 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Yeah, don't think they anticipated global protests in support of Palestine, recognition from Western European Nations of Statehood, and Israel becoming a pariah state closer to how Russia acts than a western style democracy.

They want their own civilians to die, and a lot of them, but they couldn’t have anticipated Israel actually exterminating them to this degree. I know I sure as hell didn’t. No offense to Ireland, but if it’s not soccer or beer, I’m not paying attention to their views of the Middle East.

 

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8 minutes ago, Poester said:

They want their own civilians to die, and a lot of them, but they couldn’t have anticipated Israel actually exterminating them to this degree. I know I sure as hell didn’t. No offense to Ireland, but if it’s not soccer or beer, I’m not paying attention to their views of the Middle East.

 

That makes no sense.  Ireland sucks at soccer.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

That makes no sense.  Ireland sucks at soccer.

They sure as hell love talking about it. But to be fair I tune them out as the only thing worse than watching soccer is talking about it. 

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14 minutes ago, Poester said:

They want their own civilians to die, and a lot of them, but they couldn’t have anticipated Israel actually exterminating them to this degree. I know I sure as hell didn’t. No offense to Ireland, but if it’s not soccer or beer, I’m not paying attention to their views of the Middle East.

Yeah I fucking wonder why Ireland would be rigidly anti-colonial.

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Just now, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah I fucking wonder why Ireland would be rigidly anti-colonial.

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They’re free to their opinion on the matter. My point was that stating “western European nations” support Palestine when it means Ireland and Norway is hilarious and made me laugh. 

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5 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

“If it’s not soccer or beer I’m not paying attention to Ireland . But also soccer sucks and I hate watching or hearing about it.”

 

wat

Wait until you hear how much he hates beer, too.

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4 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

“If it’s not soccer or beer I’m not paying attention to Ireland . But also soccer sucks and I hate watching or hearing about it.”

 

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I will indulge soccer fans sometimes, but yes I can only take so much before my eyes glaze over. 

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2 minutes ago, Poester said:

They’re free to their opinion on the matter. My point was that stating “western European nations” support Palestine when it means Ireland and Norway is hilarious and made me laugh. 

You might not care about Ireland, Spain, or Norway recognizing Palestine, but if the UK, France and Australia move ahead with it, an idea all three are toying with (click the links), then maybe you won't find it so funny.

Just about the entire international community supports a two-state solution. Universal recognition of Palestine is really only contingent on whether it's part of a negotiated settlement.

For example, the green countries below already formally recognize the Palestinian State. As any rational person can see, doing so is not a radical or laughable idea.

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