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1 minute ago, C-Man said:


Sure looked like it

of course it was.  ignored by NHL refs with 1:45 left.  this is over.  there is no way the NHL is gonna let Dallas win game 6, even if we win game 5.

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3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

how was that not a trip there. not that it matters.

It was an easy trip and would have been helpful to have the PP there. Certainly more of a trip than Draisaitl’s flop.

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2 minutes ago, LonghornJudas said:

It was an easy trip and would have been helpful to have the PP there. Certainly more of a trip than Draisaitl’s flop.

Seriously.  It wouldn't have mattered but what an absolute fucking joke to give Draisitl that call and nothing there.  Absurd.

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2 PP goals and 2 empty netters.

3 minutes ago, LonghornJudas said:

It was an easy trip and would have been helpful to have the PP there. Certainly more of a trip than Draisaitl’s flop.

yep.  but Dallas ain't getting that call.  can't take a chance on something happening. Benn's trip wasn't even that bad and he was going into the boards anyway.  this was right in the middle of the play in open ice.

we need to go down if any stick hits a skate.

it really doesn't matter though McDavid on our team we win in 4 worst case 5.  McDavid on EDM we lose in 5 or 6.  Skinner isn't doing anything special IMO.  he's playing well but we really don't tax him.  we are hoping for puck luck.

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10 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Pathetic third period performance

the last 5-8min of the 2nd period was a tell.  we started getting worked over.

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Lost 3 straight - go win 3 straight. We have home ice. Tonight was close. It's hockey.

G6 in Edmonton feels unwinnable but let's just take care of business Thursday and take it from there. 

Seen too much Stars magic the past 5-6 years to call this series. 

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8 hours ago, ztejas said:

Lost 3 straight - go win 3 straight. We have home ice. Tonight was close. It's hockey.

G6 in Edmonton feels unwinnable but let's just take care of business Thursday and take it from there. 

Seen too much Stars magic the past 5-6 years to call this series. 

5 on 5 feels impossible.

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3 hours ago, Iceman said:

5 on 5 feels impossible.

Yep. Find a way to win Game 5 and shift the pressure back on Edmonton to close it out in Game 6. All we can do.

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At some point you just recognize that the team you’re playing is better than you are. It happens in every sport. I’m getting that feeling now. We’re not dead yet. 

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Win the margins are this slim it just comes down to execution.  Look at both their goals last night.  Elite/skilled plays.    We were absolutely buzzing in the first period.   That felt every bit of a 3 goal period if we could just fucking execute around the net and couldn't do it.  Same in the 2nd period of game 3.  Frustrating as hell.  Those are plays we made every game we won in the Avs series where we were also matching up against 2 of the top 5 players in the league.  And nobody is making those plays for us this time.  We all said (whether in this thread or other conversations) there is zero chance Miko continues this heater and rest of our players have to step up and nobody has.   Given expectations, I think to a man our D has outperformed what I expected of them the entire playoffs?  Who has done that from our forward group.  I would say Miko, Grandlund, Hintz (i.e., top line most of the playoffs) have all had a good playoffs to date (but not much this series).   Maybe even put Seguin in there considering he was coming off a long term injury so adjusting expectations for that.  And I think our 4th line has been fine.  But Marchment/Benn/Duchene/Robo/Johnston have all had a really bad run simultaneously and it's killed us.

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This is like playing the old "Mike Tyson Punchout" when you got to Tyson. It's doable, but you gotta play perfect. I think Cody Ceci (he wasn't the only one guilty) put like 3 lazy passes across his own defensive zone. EDM jumped on each one, and began a barrage on Otter. Those small hiccups just can't happen at this level. 

When did Corey Perry become a serviceable hockey player?

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34 minutes ago, Hate said:

Stupid penalties hurt us too. That Marchment penalty after we had tied it up was a killer.

He's been god awful this entire playoffs. Outside of the game 3 feed to Seguin (after we killed off his double minor), he's done damn near nothing productive and constantly hurting us with bad and horribly timed penalties.  

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5 minutes ago, Skipper said:

He's been god awful this entire playoffs. Outside of the game 3 feed to Seguin (after we killed off his double minor), he's done damn near nothing productive and constantly hurting us with bad and horribly timed penalties.  

I'm really disappointed in Wyatt Johnston's play this postseason. I was not expecting a total dud from him. Wonder if he's nursing some kind of ailment.

Also, Harley seems to have a taken a huge step back since Miro returned.

At any rate, we need to get more dynamic offensively next year. We need guys that can grind out dirty goals in the playoffs. Hell, I'd see if there's a market for Robertson.

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46 minutes ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

This is like playing the old "Mike Tyson Punchout" when you got to Tyson. It's doable, but you gotta play perfect.

I don't know what the NBA crossover is in here but it's very similar to what Minnesota is going through against OKC right now. Two good teams but one is just better and is amazing at punishing you whenever you make a mistake. 

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34 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I'm really disappointed in Wyatt Johnston's play this postseason. I was not expecting a total dud from him. Wonder if he's nursing some kind of ailment.

Also, Harley seems to have a taken a huge step back since Miro returned.

At any rate, we need to get more dynamic offensively next year. We need guys that can grind out dirty goals in the playoffs. Hell, I'd see if there's a market for Robertson.

I wonder if Harley is just running out of gas.  Esa as well for that matter.  They both carried such a heavy load after Miro's injury.  Overall this playoffs the D group has exceeded my expectations to a man.

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6 minutes ago, BigDHornfan said:

bummer, for them. perhaps think twice about injuring one of our players on purpose and then trying to do it again when he returns. karma be a bitch. maybe if we keep knocking players out we'll eventually win by attrition. win the next, see what happens after that. all we can do.

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4 hours ago, Skipper said:

Win the margins are this slim it just comes down to execution.  Look at both their goals last night.  Elite/skilled plays.    We were absolutely buzzing in the first period.   That felt every bit of a 3 goal period if we could just fucking execute around the net and couldn't do it.  Same in the 2nd period of game 3.  Frustrating as hell.  Those are plays we made every game we won in the Avs series where we were also matching up against 2 of the top 5 players in the league.  And nobody is making those plays for us this time.  We all said (whether in this thread or other conversations) there is zero chance Miko continues this heater and rest of our players have to step up and nobody has.   Given expectations, I think to a man our D has outperformed what I expected of them the entire playoffs?  Who has done that from our forward group.  I would say Miko, Grandlund, Hintz (i.e., top line most of the playoffs) have all had a good playoffs to date (but not much this series).   Maybe even put Seguin in there considering he was coming off a long term injury so adjusting expectations for that.  And I think our 4th line has been fine.  But Marchment/Benn/Duchene/Robo/Johnston have all had a really bad run simultaneously and it's killed us.

That is quite a paragraph.

Good points.

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4 hours ago, Lat22 said:

At some point you just recognize that the team you’re playing is better than you are. It happens in every sport. I’m getting that feeling now. We’re not dead yet. 

Unless you are Matt Leinart...

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4 hours ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

This is like playing the old "Mike Tyson Punchout" when you got to Tyson. It's doable, but you gotta play perfect. I think Cody Ceci (he wasn't the only one guilty) put like 3 lazy passes across his own defensive zone. EDM jumped on each one, and began a barrage on Otter. Those small hiccups just can't happen at this level. 

When did Corey Perry become a serviceable hockey player?

when all you have to do is stand in front of the net unimpeded while everyone chases the fastest 4 players on the ice it is easy to be serviceable

 

3 hours ago, C-Man said:

I'm really disappointed in Wyatt Johnston's play this postseason. I was not expecting a total dud from him. Wonder if he's nursing some kind of ailment.

Also, Harley seems to have a taken a huge step back since Miro returned.

At any rate, we need to get more dynamic offensively next year. We need guys that can grind out dirty goals in the playoffs. Hell, I'd see if there's a market for Robertson.

we are at a huge athletic deficit against the best of the best.  we can't clear the zone elegantly, we fire a cross ice pass hoping to get lucky breakaway 90% of the time.  we dump and chase all the time 5v5 because we don't have the skill entering the zone. Mikko went apeshit against the Avs or we are not even here.  similar to when Garcia and Seager went apeshit 2 years ago.

It sure beats getting bounced in the first round or not even making the playoffs and they grind and are just good enough all over to tease us but the reality is they don't have that player that changes the game. when we have guys we need, disappear, mainly on O(robo, johnston, rantanen) it can get really ugly against very good comp.

I'd love to get something for robertson but the book is out on him and I am guessing the return won't be what we'd need.

It sucks but I understand it could be a whole lot worse(see Cowboys, Rangers, and Mavericks)

 

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anyway, as long as there is a game to play, it ain't over. pulling for another CAR win tonight to give the Stars a little encouragement. wouldn't it be funny if in a week from now we're all talking about a CAR-DAL final?

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9 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

anyway, as long as there is a game to play, it ain't over. pulling for another CAR win tonight to give the Stars a little encouragement. wouldn't it be funny if in a week from now we're all talking about a CAR-DAL final?

can I watch Bettman's head explode on live TV?

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22 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

when all you have to do is stand in front of the net unimpeded while everyone chases the fastest 4 players on the ice it is easy to be serviceable

 

we are at a huge athletic deficit against the best of the best.  we can't clear the zone elegantly, we fire a cross ice pass hoping to get lucky breakaway 90% of the time.  we dump and chase all the time 5v5 because we don't have the skill entering the zone. Mikko went apeshit against the Avs or we are not even here.  similar to when Garcia and Seager went apeshit 2 years ago.

It sure beats getting bounced in the first round or not even making the playoffs and they grind and are just good enough all over to tease us but the reality is they don't have that player that changes the game. when we have guys we need, disappear, mainly on O(robo, johnston, rantanen) it can get really ugly against very good comp.

I'd love to get something for robertson but the book is out on him and I am guessing the return won't be what we'd need.

It sucks but I understand it could be a whole lot worse(see Cowboys, Rangers, and Mavericks)

 

At the end of the day, I think I can safely say Edmonton is a better team than us today. I feel reasonably comfortable saying Florida is a better team. I can’t say that about anybody else in the NHL. They might be but I’m not certain. This team is still coming. Benn’s window has about run out, if it hasn’t already. Seguin is close. Pavelski’s ended last season. Nill has built this team to be good for the foreseeable future. Will it ultimately win a Cup? I don’t know. But we’re going to be among the final four teams nearly every year moving forward. Make a few tweaks here and there and maybe you wind up with a run of Finals appearances, maybe a Cup or two. 

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Just now, C-Man said:

At the end of the day, I think I can safely say Edmonton is a better team than us today. I feel reasonably comfortable saying Florida is a better team. I can’t say that about anybody else in the NHL. They might be but I’m not certain. This team is still coming. Benn’s window has about run out, if it hasn’t already. Seguin is close. Pavelski’s ended last season. Nill has built this team to be good for the foreseeable future. Will it ultimately win a Cup? I don’t know. But we’re going to be among the final four teams nearly every year moving forward. Make a few tweaks here and there and maybe you wind up with a run of Finals appearances, maybe a Cup or two. 

we can see what rantanen can do with a full year.  they need more speed.  I do agree that the floor is a second round team as long as Jake can stay solid.

 

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1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

we can see what rantanen can do with a full year.  they need more speed.  I do agree that the floor is a second round team as long as Jake can stay solid.

 

Absolutely.

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3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

At the end of the day, I think I can safely say Edmonton is a better team than us today. I feel reasonably comfortable saying Florida is a better team. I can’t say that about anybody else in the NHL. They might be but I’m not certain. This team is still coming. Benn’s window has about run out, if it hasn’t already. Seguin is close. Pavelski’s ended last season. Nill has built this team to be good for the foreseeable future. Will it ultimately win a Cup? I don’t know. But we’re going to be among the final four teams nearly every year moving forward. Make a few tweaks here and there and maybe you wind up with a run of Finals appearances, maybe a Cup or two. 

It just sucks that the West is so damn loaded at the exact same time.  We've had to play 2 teams with top 5 players in the NHL.  The central is the toughest division in hockey.  Healthy MN is really good and gave Vegas all they could handle (and but for being a centimeter offsides probably win that series).  Blues pulled defeat from the jaws of victory against the Jets.  It's just a really hard conference to win.  I think this team is a lot better than our WCF team from 2 years ago and I still think that team beats Vegas if we pull out either of those first 2 in Vegas.  The first we were outplayed but lost in OT.  I was at Game 2 in Vegas and we had it won until Suter fucked up to give up the tying goal with a couple of minutes left and then we lost again in OT.  Then Game 3 was the Benn debacle and we still got that series to 6.  That Vegas team won the cup and I think the Vegas team we beat in round 1 last year was better than their cup team.   

I think this team (now healthy) is the best team we've had on paper during the past 3 years but we haven't made plays this round.   It's not over.  Maybe I'm being a homer but it's not going to shock me at all if this goes 7.  Just string a few plays together, get some confidence, and we could easily grab momentum back and make this a series.

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39 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I'd love to get something for robertson but the book is out on him and I am guessing the return won't be what we'd need.

This is going to be a good discussion point in the offseason.  Robo excels regular season and is absolutely an asset to us (or any other team) to rack up the points to get you into (or into a better seed) come playoff time.  On the other hand, the space he needs to score consistently isn't there outside of the power play come playoff time.   The bigger factor is we have major cap issues on the horizon and I don't think we can afford 'market' for him.  Definitely a discussion to circle back to after final handshakes whenever that may be.

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

This is going to be a good discussion point in the offseason.  Robo excels regular season and is absolutely an asset to us (or any other team) to rack up the points to get you into (or into a better seed) come playoff time.  On the other hand, the space he needs to score consistently isn't there outside of the power play come playoff time.   The bigger factor is we have major cap issues on the horizon and I don't think we can afford 'market' for him.  Definitely a discussion to circle back to after final handshakes whenever that may be.

serious question because I really don't pay that close attention. what are the major cap issues?

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4 minutes ago, Skipper said:

It just sucks that the West is so damn loaded at the exact same time.  We've had to play 2 teams with top 5 players in the NHL.  The central is the toughest division in hockey.  Healthy MN is really good and gave Vegas all they could handle (and but for being a centimeter offsides probably win that series).  Blues pulled defeat from the jaws of victory against the Jets.  It's just a really hard conference to win.  I think this team is a lot better than our WCF team from 2 years ago and I still think that team beats Vegas if we pull out either of those first 2 in Vegas.  The first we were outplayed but lost in OT.  I was at Game 2 in Vegas and we had it won until Suter fucked up to give up the tying goal with a couple of minutes left and then we lost again in OT.  Then Game 3 was the Benn debacle and we still got that series to 6.  That Vegas team won the cup and I think the Vegas team we beat in round 1 last year was better than their cup team.   

I think this team (now healthy) is the best team we've had on paper during the past 3 years but we haven't made plays this round.   It's not over.  Maybe I'm being a homer but it's not going to shock me at all if this goes 7.  Just string a few plays together, get some confidence, and we could easily grab momentum back and make this a series.

Yes, the West is pretty salty but think about our division. Winnipeg’s window is closing. Their best players are on the wrong side of 30. Colorado still has goalie issues and MacKinnon will be 30 next season. We’ve also beaten them the past two seasons. I don’t know what St Louis has in the pipeline. Edmonton is fantastic and will be as long as McDavid/Draisaitl are in their prime. That’s why maybe it’s a good idea for them to go ahead and win the Cup this year. It’s hard to repeat. Get them satisfied. Vegas is getting old too.

I like how the Stars are positioned for the next five years better than anybody else in the West, save maybe Edmonton. Of course things change over the years but that’s how I see it today.

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Just now, dcar00 said:

serious question because I really don't pay that close attention. what are the major cap issues?

"Major" isn't the right word.  But we just paid Miko long term.  I think Harley's play is trending towards a pretty damn big deal in the next 2 years to lock him up long term.  I don't know if we can pay both Harley and Robo "market" for their next contract and fill out the rest of the roster to adequately to compete for a cup.  That is high level.  But I'll dive into that (as will I'm sure the Stars writers) once playoffs are over.  

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2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

"Major" isn't the right word.  But we just paid Miko long term.  I think Harley's play is trending towards a pretty damn big deal in the next 2 years to lock him up long term.  I don't know if we can pay both Harley and Robo "market" for their next contract and fill out the rest of the roster to adequately to compete for a cup.  That is high level.  But I'll dive into that (as will I'm sure the Stars writers) once playoffs are over.  

definitely talk for another time, but I don't think there is a cap issue, yet. I believe the overall cap goes up pretty significantly next year (or the following, without looking it up). anyway, the bigger question is can we absorb him in the lineup at the rate he's going to demand without any playoff results? he's now got goals in b2b games, maybe he shuts us all up on that point, or it will be a negotiation point moving forward. this team cannot afford passengers when it comes time for playoffs. not saying he is, but so far he's proven little more than that 

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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Benn’s number needs to go way down if he’s going to come back.  Then the same for segs when his is up. Maybe there’s already factored in. 

yes, I think benn is the type to take a reasonable salary to help win cups. no team is going to give him top value now, so might as well take enough to make it worth it and allow some money for younger talent

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definitely talk for another time, but I don't think there is a cap issue, yet. I believe the overall cap goes up pretty significantly next year (or the following, without looking it up). anyway, the bigger question is can we absorb him in the lineup at the rate he's going to demand without any playoff results? he's now got goals in b2b games, maybe he shuts us all up on that point, or it will be a negotiation point moving forward. this team cannot afford passengers when it comes time for playoffs. not saying he is, but so far he's proven little more than that 

Robo just can’t consistently score on 5-on-5 situations in the playoffs. I was off on my count day before yesterday. He has scored 16 career playoff goals — seven have come on PP. Eighteen of his 42 career points in playoffs have come with man advantage.
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I havent seen this much lack of enthusiasm for a WC finals game that I can remember. I am at a bar that puts sounds on and shows the game, runs specials, and there is one person here with a jersey on and he works there. This sucks.

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