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5 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Getting destroyed by the eventual national champion on the road versus getting dogwalked by a shitty PSU team are two totally different scenarios. 

PSU lost by 7 to that eventual NC and 8 to Oregon in the B10 championship. 

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3 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Guess which of one our esteemed writers has us as the 13th best team in the AP poll 2 spots behind Virginia? 

Robert Cessna ranking aggy 6 and UT 9

I see you, player

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2 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Have not read thread closely. Assuming OSU and UGA win this week, 2 of our 3 losses will likely have been to the eventual 1 and 2 overall seeds. If this were March Madness, with our wins, we would not even be a bubble team. And yes, I mean for a 12-team field.

Yeah, it's that pesky third loss to 4-8 Florida that's the problem; and, then you dig into the less than pretty wins against UK and MSU for the game control/beauty pageant part of things. Thinking back to those threads and the arguments now about deserving a playoff spot is interesting.

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1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

PSU lost by 7 to that eventual NC and 8 to Oregon in the B10 championship. 

Let's not try and defend PSU as anything but a playoff paper tiger. Last year was OSU and Texas and then everyone else (UGA was up there until Beck got injured). 

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7 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

So the top 4 get a double bye? 

I guess I had a brain fart.  Make it 24 teams.  Top 8 teams deserve a bye, I believe.   Say good bye to almost all bowls.  

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30 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

Here's the thing...

Tech would love to schedule these teams in OOC, but they can't get any buyers (I would bet BYU and others would say the same thing).  So if BIG and SEC refuse to schedule the other P2 schools, then how can they then say the other P2 schools should be excluded because they "don't play anybody"?  If BIG & SEC are so confident that they are so much superior top to bottom than Big12 and ACC, why won't they schedule them with reciprocal home games?  Oregon at least did with Tech, so I'll give UO credit for stepping up to the plate when most in their conference and SEC won't.

What really pisses me off is the 8 game conference schedule in the SEC to boot.  Yes, I now that changes next year (thankfully), but this year SEC teams played 8 conference games to everyone else playing 9.  So it's a damn racket.  (1) Criticize B12 and ACC for not having as strong a schedule, but (2) won't schedule B12 and ACC, (3) only playing 8 conference games to everyone else playing 9, and then (4) demand more teams in the CFP because SEC is obviously superior to everyone else.

Forgive me if I refuse to concede that SEC is just that much better of a conference.  It's more of a self-fulfilling prophesy conference.

What sort of gibberish is this? The SEC won’t schedule the Big XII or ACC? Off the top of my head SEC teams have played the following teams this year OOC:

Baylor, ASU, Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, FSU, Syracuse, Kansas, Louisville. 
 

That’s in addition to multiple B1G and ND OOC games. And the Big XII and ACC got their cheeks clapped on the whole. 
 

What SEC games has Tech reached out to try and schedule? 

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

What sort of gibberish is this? The SEC won’t schedule the Big XII or ACC? Off the top of my head SEC teams have played the following teams this year OOC:

Baylor, ASU, Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, FSU, Syracuse, Kansas, Louisville. 
 

That’s in addition to multiple B1G and ND OOC games. And the Big XII and ACC got their cheeks clapped on the whole. 
 

What SEC games has Tech reached out to try and schedule? 

 

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13 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Let's not try and defend PSU as anything but a playoff paper tiger. Last year was OSU and Texas and then everyone else (UGA was up there until Beck got injured). 

Hell of a thing to dismiss a team that played OSU closer than Texas did in the NC game as no one. 

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3 minutes ago, Satchel said:

 

I don’t count coach podium chatter as an actual attempt to schedule. In any event, LSU currently has Utah and ASU on future schedules. “Won’t schedule Big XII” is a laughable point. 2026 currently has WVa, ASU, Utah, Kansas, Baylor on the SEC OOC slate. 

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59 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

Agreed.

But the SEC SEC SEC folks seem to think that the CFP is supposed to be an SEC Invitational Tournament.

I really hope they go 0-fer in the playoffs...and I really, really hope it's Tech that sends aTm packing.

You don’t play anyone. You shouldn’t even be in the CFP regardless.

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I don’t count coach podium chatter as an actual attempt to schedule. In any event, LSU currently has Utah and ASU on future schedules. “Won’t schedule Big XII” is a laughable point. 2026 currently has WVa, ASU, Utah, Kansas, Baylor on the SEC OOC slate. 

When has Joey McGuire ever been full of shit? Except all those other times. 

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When I look at last week's CFP rankings, I see us at #16 and a 3-2 record against teams in the top 14.  This doesn't include whatever jump we "should" make for beating #3.

It's very hard to wrap my head around the idea that we aren't worthy of a playoff bid.  We played a very tough schedule with great results against the top teams in college football, so what?

I have to believe that getting left out represents a shift on the committee's behalf from "tough losses don't matter" to "all losses matter".

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7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I don’t count coach podium chatter as an actual attempt to schedule. In any event, LSU currently has Utah and ASU on future schedules. “Won’t schedule Big XII” is a laughable point. 2026 currently has WVa, ASU, Utah, Kansas, Baylor on the SEC OOC slate. 

It's not laughable.  I know for a fact Tech has tried to schedule upper end SEC teams and they won't take the call.

So until I see A&M, UT, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, etc. on Tech's future OOC schedule, I'll continue to make my case.  UT and A&M will not even pick up the phone, which is fine.  But then don't turn around and tell us we don't play anybody when you are unwilling to play us.  You can't have it both ways.

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6 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

It's not laughable.  I know for a fact Tech has tried to schedule upper end SEC teams and they won't take the call.

So until I see A&M, UT, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, etc. on Tech's future OOC schedule, I'll continue to make my case.  UT and A&M will not even pick up the phone, which is fine.  But then don't turn around and tell us we don't play anybody when you are unwilling to play us.  You can't have it both ways.

Where is the benefit to UT in scheduling Texas Tech instead of, I don't know, our typical run of strong out of conference opponents like Ohio State, Michigan, USC, LSU, Georgia, Notre Dame?  Those others draw far more national eyes and in particular the eyes of recruits.  Texas Tech might as well be Utah State in the eyes of the public.

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Where is the benefit to UT in scheduling Texas Tech instead of, I don't know, our typical run of strong out of conference opponents like Ohio State, Michigan, USC, LSU, Georgia, Notre Dame?  Those others draw far more national eyes and in particular the eyes of recruits.  Texas Tech might as well be Utah State in the eyes of the public.

Why would Texas schedule the school that lied about a 20-25 year scheduling contract? Texas had to quickly clarify we didn’t agree to that shit

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14 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

When I look at last week's CFP rankings, I see us at #16 and a 3-2 record against teams in the top 14.  This doesn't include whatever jump we "should" make for beating #3.

It's very hard to wrap my head around the idea that we aren't worthy of a playoff bid.  We played a very tough schedule with great results against the top teams in college football, so what?

I have to believe that getting left out represents a shift on the committee's behalf from "tough losses don't matter" to "all losses matter".

it goes like this

yeah, yeah you are good, you won a bunch of games...so how many losses do you have? 

well sir, all our losses were on the road, one was against the #1 team in the....

yeah fuck all that, just give me the number.

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24 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I don’t count coach podium chatter as an actual attempt to schedule. In any event, LSU currently has Utah and ASU on future schedules. “Won’t schedule Big XII” is a laughable point. 2026 currently has WVa, ASU, Utah, Kansas, Baylor on the SEC OOC slate. 

Since the Tech coach and his AD have this incredible synchronicity, I think it qualifies as a reach out.

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13 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

It's not laughable.  I know for a fact Tech has tried to schedule upper end SEC teams and they won't take the call.

So until I see A&M, UT, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, etc. on Tech's future OOC schedule, I'll continue to make my case.  UT and A&M will not even pick up the phone, which is fine.  But then don't turn around and tell us we don't play anybody when you are unwilling to play us.  You can't have it both ways.

No, see, you claimed that SEC won’t schedule the Big XII and that was laughable and stupid because the Big XII is all over current and future SEC slates. “Not scheduling Texas Tech” is a very different proposition.

Why would the SEC top tier book a H2H involving a trip to Lubbock when they can line up marquee OOC opponents with big audiences and national interest anywhere they want? SLC and Tempe at least offer nice trips, Kansas offers a historical rivalry.  What is Tech offering to an LSU or Georgia who can schedule teams like ND, Clemson, Michigan for their premiere OOC H2H series? And until a hot minute ago Tech wasn’t even a particularly GOOD Big XII team. 

Guess what, Cincinnati isn’t getting those games either. 

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15 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

It's not laughable.  I know for a fact Tech has tried to schedule upper end SEC teams and they won't take the call.

So until I see A&M, UT, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, etc. on Tech's future OOC schedule, I'll continue to make my case.  UT and A&M will not even pick up the phone, which is fine.  But then don't turn around and tell us we don't play anybody when you are unwilling to play us.  You can't have it both ways.

Other Big 12 teams, including ones that have already been to the playoffs, haven't had that problem. Maybe Tech is just an asshole. 

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If we keep having seasons like this, better OOC matchups will come. It makes perfect sense not to schedule us up to this point. Texas I can understand, A&M doesn't schedule us because they're afraid of being run through on national TV like we did in most of our big 12 matchups.

It's all kind of part of building up the program.

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When the sec goes to 9 conference games, those extra 8 losses won’t be able to all land on the shitty teams.  Unless the sec gets more shitty teams and looks like the b10. Add in another legislated p4 ooc game on top of that (they can’t all schedule Purdue and Maryland) and there will be more 3 loss sec teams and fewer 2 loss teams in the real near future.  So this will be a moot point as soon as next season. 
 

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1 hour ago, gernblansten said:

Yeah, it's that pesky third loss to 4-8 Florida that's the problem; and, then you dig into the less than pretty wins against UK and MSU for the game control/beauty pageant part of things. Thinking back to those threads and the arguments now about deserving a playoff spot is interesting.

The loss to Florida is only mitigated by better play. The loss to tosu could have been mitigated by better play or by sxheduling Ohio u instead of Ohio state. 
 

either one going from loss to win puts us comfortably in the tournament. 

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

When the sec goes to 9 conference games, those extra 8 losses won’t be able to all land on the shitty teams.  Unless the sec gets more shitty teams and looks like the b10. Add in another legislated p4 ooc game on top of that (they can’t all schedule Purdue and Maryland) and there will be more 3 loss sec teams and fewer 2 loss teams in the real near future.  So this will be a moot point as soon as next season. 
 

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The loss to Florida is only mitigated by better play. The loss to tosu could have been mitigated by better play or by sxheduling Ohio u instead of Ohio state. 
 

either one going from loss to win puts us comfortably in the tournament. 

This is just another case for expanding the playoff.

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Looking forward to the ranking show tomorrow.

I can't wait to see the committee pussy out and leave Ole Miss in despite excluding FSU two years ago for losing their QB.  They will hide behind not wanting to punish the players or some shit like that.  And I agree the Ole Miss team should not be punished because Kiffin and LSU couldn't figure out a way to do this before Ole Miss was done playing for the season.  But at the same time, they did it to FSU for an injury and this is the HC and most of the staff being out, which is a bigger loss to a team?

As far as Texas, I really thought there would be more of a push to get us in beyond some tweets and Sark's post-game comments.  Regardless of which loss you think is keeping us out, the bottom line is that this 9-3 Texas being left out directly incentivizes power house schools to punch down when scheduling.  And I think we will see fallout from that quickly.  Especially with 9 game SEC schedules coming, it would be irresponsible to schedule P4 teams capable of beating you.

I also think a field of 12 where Texas would be favored against more than half of them on a neutral site but is somehow left out will get us to 16 teams quicker and loosen the stupid G5/ND wiggle room rules.

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1 hour ago, Uncle Nate said:

Here's the thing...

Tech would love to schedule these teams in OOC, but they can't get any buyers (I would bet BYU and others would say the same thing).  So if BIG and SEC refuse to schedule the other P2 schools, then how can they then say the other P2 schools should be excluded because they "don't play anybody"?  If BIG & SEC are so confident that they are so much superior top to bottom than Big12 and ACC, why won't they schedule them with reciprocal home games?  Oregon at least did with Tech, so I'll give UO credit for stepping up to the plate when most in their conference and SEC won't.

What really pisses me off is the 8 game conference schedule in the SEC to boot.  Yes, I now that changes next year (thankfully), but this year SEC teams played 8 conference games to everyone else playing 9.  So it's a damn racket.  (1) Criticize B12 and ACC for not having as strong a schedule, but (2) won't schedule B12 and ACC, (3) only playing 8 conference games to everyone else playing 9, and then (4) demand more teams in the CFP because SEC is obviously superior to everyone else.

Forgive me if I refuse to concede that SEC is just that much better of a conference.  It's more of a self-fulfilling prophesy conference.

Tech would not have sniffed the playoff if they were in the SEC this year. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

Tech would not have sniffed the playoff if they were in the SEC this year. 

How do we know?

We'll never know...unless Tech beats the SEC team(s) it faces in the CFP.  Otherwise, it's all hypothetical.

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33 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

No, see, you claimed that SEC won’t schedule the Big XII and that was laughable and stupid because the Big XII is all over current and future SEC slates. “Not scheduling Texas Tech” is a very different proposition.

Why would the SEC top tier book a H2H involving a trip to Lubbock when they can line up marquee OOC opponents with big audiences and national interest anywhere they want? SLC and Tempe at least offer nice trips, Kansas offers a historical rivalry.  What is Tech offering to an LSU or Georgia who can schedule teams like ND, Clemson, Michigan for their premiere OOC H2H series? And until a hot minute ago Tech wasn’t even a particularly GOOD Big XII team. 

Guess what, Cincinnati isn’t getting those games either. 

Texas has already scheduled Arizona State.

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2 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

Tech would love to schedule these teams in OOC, but they can't get any buyers (I would bet BYU and others would say the same thing).  So if BIG and SEC refuse to schedule the other P2 schools, then how can they then say the other P2 schools should be excluded because they "don't play anybody"?  If BIG & SEC are so confident that they are so much superior top to bottom than Big12 and ACC, why won't they schedule them with reciprocal home games?  

Did you miss the BCS era?

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7 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

Did you miss the BCS era?

I miss the old, original Big 12, especially the 2008 version when the Big 12 South was as tough of a league as anywhere you would find.

I would like to have seen the old Big 12 paired with the modern 12 or 16 playoff and just see what would happen.

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47 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

When the sec goes to 9 conference games, those extra 8 losses won’t be able to all land on the shitty teams.  Unless the sec gets more shitty teams and looks like the b10. Add in another legislated p4 ooc game on top of that (they can’t all schedule Purdue and Maryland) and there will be more 3 loss sec teams and fewer 2 loss teams in the real near future.  So this will be a moot point as soon as next season. 
 

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The loss to Florida is only mitigated by better play. The loss to tosu could have been mitigated by better play or by sxheduling Ohio u instead of Ohio state. 
 

either one going from loss to win puts us comfortably in the tournament. 

I don't disagree, but that Heather Dinich person who seems to generally have the pulse of the committee said if UT was 10-2 with a win against lesser OOC opponent it was not a given to be in the playoff. That's apparently how bad the UF loss and 35-10 UGA loss are viewed.  

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8 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

I don't disagree, but that Heather Dinich person who seems to generally have the pulse of the committee said if UT was 10-2 with a win against lesser OOC opponent it was not a given to be in the playoff. That's apparently how bad the UF loss and 35-10 UGA loss are viewed.  

yeah that's all bullshit, we'd absolutely be in, and she's just saying what is already known, by anyone with a functioning brain, that the committee will say.  They will slather that bullshit all over the place to try to save the "won't get punished for OOC losses on big time matchups".

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29 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

I don't disagree, but that Heather Dinich person who seems to generally have the pulse of the committee said if UT was 10-2 with a win against lesser OOC opponent it was not a given to be in the playoff. That's apparently how bad the UF loss and 35-10 UGA loss are viewed.  

yeah that's absolute rubbish...they'd be in if they didn't lose to OSU or if they played Purdue instead.  GTFO with that shit...otherwise even  Bama would be low with their bad loss.

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Man if I was a Tech fan I would shut the fuck up until I actually got the first outright big boy conference championship ever in the history of my program under my belt and maybe went a few rounds in the playoffs.  Tech has had a good season, don't let it go to your head.  

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1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

Man if I was a Tech fan I would shut the fuck up until I actually got the first outright big boy conference championship ever in the history of my program under my belt and maybe went a few rounds in the playoffs.  Tech has had a good season, don't let it go to your head.  

I don't disagree.

I'm just pushing back on everyone talking about how bad our schedule was and that if we were in the SEC or BIG we wouldn't be in the playoffs.  You are right...we haven't proven a thing yet.  This season is all for not if we don't win the Big12 and win at least one playoff game.

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Where is the benefit to UT in scheduling Texas Tech instead of, I don't know, our typical run of strong out of conference opponents like Ohio State, Michigan, USC, LSU, Georgia, Notre Dame?  Those others draw far more national eyes and in particular the eyes of recruits.  Texas Tech might as well be Utah State in the eyes of the public.

Where is the benefit to Texas gaining a benefit from anything?

 

1. Big XII sucks. Now they're dead

 

2. oh fuck our OOC is just too damned hard

 

3. SEC hates us too.

 

Sounds like the shot callers never have anything go their way.  Gotdam, just spin the wheel of excuses. 

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LOL.  Look, slorch, I know it's hard to comprehend, but no matter how good the 2025 Tceh team is you're just not a marquee opponent. If we're going to take a legitimate chance at a loss, it's going to be to a blueblod, and y'all ain't it.  Sorry, little brother.

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18 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

I don't disagree.

I'm just pushing back on everyone talking about how bad our schedule was and that if we were in the SEC or BIG we wouldn't be in the playoffs.  You are right...we haven't proven a thing yet.  This season is all for not if we don't win the Big12 and win at least one playoff game.

*naught

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

When I look at last week's CFP rankings, I see us at #16 and a 3-2 record against teams in the top 14.  This doesn't include whatever jump we "should" make for beating #3.

It's very hard to wrap my head around the idea that we aren't worthy of a playoff bid.  We played a very tough schedule with great results against the top teams in college football, so what?

I have to believe that getting left out represents a shift on the committee's behalf from "tough losses don't matter" to "all losses matter".

How about the idea that if the Committee thinks that the SEC is worth of 5 teams getting in, they choose the teams that finished 1st - 4th and 6th....even though 5 beat 6 head to head.  Explain that....

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