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Just now, jkates said:

It is hard to fathom how a person could get onto campus in a modern city, set up with a rifle, fire it, and then disappear like a fart in the wind.

I served on a jury in a criminal trial a few weeks ago in Harris County. There was so much video of the suspect it was as if we were watching a TV show. Cameras at most intersections he passed through, license plate readers, cell phone images. 

Have to think they will find this person pretty quickly, even if he ran off initially. 

it was in provo though right?

Posted
2 minutes ago, jkates said:

That's such ignorant horseshit. He literally called for nonviolence for years. He may have said and believed many things others don't, but his message was not about violence. Anyone who listened for more than a sound bite understands this

 

Yes, I do not classify the following, which @Covri collated, as peaceful.

2 hours ago, Covri said:


Charlie Kirk:

Controversial statements on race and diversity

Criticism of Black pilots and DEI: In January 2024, Kirk stated, "If a Black pilot is seen, it's necessary to hope he's qualified," while arguing that diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives are "anti-White".

Comments on Black crime: In 2023, Kirk discussed what he called "Black crime" in inner cities, referring to it as a "huge problem no one wants to talk about".

Denunciation of the Civil Rights Act: During a December 2023 Turning Point USA event, Kirk stated, "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s," claiming it led to a "permanent" bureaucracy promoting diversity.

Racist dog whistles: In September 2024, Kirk was among the first to spread unproven allegations that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating cats and dogs. This led to former President Donald Trump repeating the false claim in a televised debate.

Support for "Great Replacement" theory: In a February 2024 Instagram post, Kirk referenced the debunked "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory, which alleges that undocumented immigrants are intentionally replacing white Americans. In August 2024, he also accused a Black lawmaker of being part of an "attempt to eliminate the white population in this country".

Disparagement of Martin Luther King Jr.: Kirk dismissed Martin Luther King Jr. as a "mythological creation" of the 1960s and, during a 2023 event, called him "awful" and "not a good person". 

Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric

LGBTQ+ agenda claims: Kirk frequently spoke against what he termed the "LGBTQ agenda," portraying it as a threat to American culture and claiming its efforts would "corrupt your children".

Statements on gender identity: He declared that "there are only two genders" and described transgenderism as "lies that hurt people and abuse kids". He also claimed in 2022 that transgender people were to blame for inflation.

Opposition to transgender healthcare: Kirk vocally opposed gender-affirming care, stating in 2024, "We must ban trans-affirming care — the entire country," and called for Donald Trump to run on this issue.

Homophobic slurs: In 2023, Kirk courted controversy by saying that if January 6 rioters had "stripped naked and filmed themselves having gay sex," they would have been treated more leniently.

Biblical interpretation of homosexuality: In 2024, Kirk cited Leviticus 20:13, which refers to "men lying with men... abomination," calling it "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters". 

Antisemitic claims

Jewish control conspiracies: In October 2023, Kirk repeated antisemitic tropes about Jews controlling various sectors, alleging they dominated universities, non-profits, and Hollywood.

Philanthropy accusations: He accused "elite" Jewish philanthropies of funding universities that foster antisemitism, thereby "subsidising your own demise".

Claims of anti-white animus: In April 2025, Kirk claimed on his show that Jewish communities "have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them". He also alleged that "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country". 

Pandemic-related misinformation

Promotion of COVID-19 conspiracy theories: During the pandemic, Kirk used his platform to spread false and misleading information, including claiming the drug hydroxychloroquine was "100 percent effective" against the virus and promoting baseless conspiracy theories about Chinese authorities.

Opposition to mask mandates and lockdowns: He vocally opposed public health measures like mask mandates and school lockdowns.

Vaccine comparisons: In 2021, Kirk reportedly compared vaccine requirements to apartheid. 

Other controversial statements

Promotion of Christian nationalism: Kirk embraced Christian nationalism, warning of a "spiritual battle" against "wokeism, Marxism and Islam." He also referenced the "Seven Mountains Mandate," a political-religious philosophy calling for Christians to control key areas of society.

Comments on gun deaths: After a 2023 mass shooting in Nashville, Kirk claimed that a certain number of gun deaths was a worthwhile "cost" for preserving the Second Amendment.

Support for January 6 rioters: In a January 2021 post on X, Kirk promoted busing "patriots" to Washington, D.C., to "fight for the president" ahead of the January 6th attack on the Capitol. Following the riot, he claimed the rioters did not represent the mainstream of Trump's support. 
 

 

This is just a brief list of things Charlie Kirk has said over the years. 

I classify this rhetoric as divisive and hateful, and parts of it are racist.

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Posted
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"On September 10, 2025, at approximately 12:24PM, Conservative political influencer Charlie Kirk was shot and killed at the Utah Valley University in Orem, UT. Mr. Kirk was speaking at the University as part of the American Comeback Tour. Multiple SLC I and III agents responded immediately. The suspect fired one shot from an elevated position on a rooftop in an adjacent building on the campus and surveillance video shows the suspect, jumping off and fleeing the area on foot. ATF and other law-enforcement located an older model imported Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus. The location of the firearm appears to match the suspects route of travel. The spent cartridge was still chambered in addition to three unspent rounds at the top fed magazine. All cartridges have engraved wording on them, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology. An emergency trace has been submitted an ATF SLC is working leads generated by the trace. The firearm and ammunition have been taken by the FBI for DNA analysis and fingerprint impressions. Upon completion of forensics, the firearm will be disassembled for additional importer information. Multiple people of interest having contacted or detained because of eyewitness testimony and review of video footage. The primary suspect is yet to be identified. ATF is assisting the investigation with multiple other federal, state, and local partners and the case is co-led by the FBI and Utah SBI.""

supposedly an internal ATF communication 

Posted
5 minutes ago, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

Hopefully you and yours get what you deserve. Death.

need to check with video replay, but quite literally rooting for mass death, including death to a specific poster, might violate some forum rules.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Yes, I do not classify the following, which @Covri collated, as peaceful.

I classify this rhetoric as divisive and hateful, and parts of it are racist.

Speech is not violence. Hope that helps.

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, B00M said:


Ah, thank you for the context. His 2nd amendment quote seemed grotesquely insensitive but at least debatable. But these other quotes make it clear that he’s a modern shock-jock which unfortunately makes him a thought-leader similar to Rush Limbaugh. 

I'm honestly surprised that in the current environment that support of the second amendment is still controversial. It might become sort of important relatively soon. And most of the laws passed in response to stuff like this are statistically used (like if you spend even a little time researching racial disparities in enforcement of illegal firearm possession laws, in every instance where there is publicaly released data the results are impossible to deny) to put young black men in jail or in jail for longer. We are sacrificing generations of African American families and their futures so that white kids can feel a little bit safer. 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Just saw a report on the NY Times about this

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/09/11/us/charlie-kirk-shooting-news

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Gift link for those that don't have a sub - https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/09/11/us/charlie-kirk-shooting-news?unlocked_article_code=1.lE8.X4wJ.3zVlet3ovxB9&smid=url-share

 

Whoops left out the report of the video footage too

 

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More information being released on that news report

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Investigators have determined that the gunman who killed Charlie Kirk arrived near the Utah Valley University campus at 11:52 a.m., about half an hour before the attack, the Utah public safety commissioner says. The police have since been able to track his movements onto campus, through stairwells to a roof and to the “shooting location.”

After shooting Charlie Kirk, the gunman ran across the roof from where he had fired, jumped off of the building and fled the Utah Valley University campus into the surrounding neighborhood, the public safety commissioner says.

...

The suspect in the shooting “appears to be of college age,” according to Beau Mason, the commissioner of Utah’s Department of Public Safety. “We are confident in our abilities to track that individual,” he adds in a news conference, saying that investigators have been able to identify the gunman in video footage taken yesterday.

Investigators have other evidence that could help them identify and track down the killer, the special agent in charge of the F.B.I.’s Salt Lake City field office said in a news conference. That evidence includes a palm imprint, a forearm imprint and a “footwear impression.”

 

The FBI might be run by a moron, but at least he hasn't fired all of the competent special agents yet.

Posted
1 minute ago, mdmost said:

Why isn't he banned? Seems pretty cut and dry. 

He is, that's the point of my post to notify. Just like cactus is banned - I left his post so people know explicitly not to do. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

The FBI might be run by a moron, but at least he hasn't fired all of the competent special agents yet.

I imagine the SAIC in SLC would be one of the last to come under scrutiny from the regime.  We really haven't heard too much about field offices being fucked with outside of DC and NYC.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Laguna said:

Speech is not violence. Hope that helps.

Then I guess your team will be retracting everything it said about the culture of violence in Cloak Room?  Yes?

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Posted

I understand Wilcox’s anger, all of us on our side feel under attack. But what he’s spewing is not what Kirk would have wanted. We need to appeal to our better angels right now. 

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Posted
33 minutes ago, jkates said:

I have a son who is a freshman in high school. He doesn't yet have social media, but I follow all of his friends so he can peek at their IG accounts from my phone now and again. I think 100% of his friends  whom I follow posted something in their IG stories about Kirk. Some of that is probably copycat, fit in, go with the crowd behavior, but my son said that "everyone at school knows who Charlie Kirk is." /csb

A sure sign of the downfall of America. 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I'm honestly surprised that in the current environment that support of the second amendment is still controversial. It might become sort of important relatively soon. 

 


 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Bolero88 said:

A sure sign of the downfall of America. 

Lol.  I'm pretty sure that the poster that you're mocking went to the same Jesuit HS as I did.  I'm sure he and his family and friends are doing just fine.

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