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58 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

i mean i don't disagree, at the same time Texas has been a top 5 recruiting factory for as long as I've been paying attention and we have only been a consistent top 5 program for brief stretches in the past 30 years.

IMO unless the boosters and fans get greedy, or we think we've got someone in the wings, Sarks safe beating our rivals and being a bubble teams in bad years, and going to the playoffs in good years.

Now if the format changes, maybe the expectation changes into a particular level of playoffs.

Texas should get use to losing 3 games in the “bad years”….ooof…with a $20 million roster? You can’t really believe that huh? If they are really committing that kind of money then you gotta make the 12 team playoff every year. Win a title is where it gets hazy because I don’t think he’s capable but missing the playoffs with the resources Texas has is a failure and dumb. One good rb that can carry a team during droughts and Texas beats Ohio state and Florida, it’s just evaluations. Sark sucks at it or his staff sucks at it which mean he sucks at being their boss.

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I understand that like many I have not been satisfied with play calling. But the singular reason we are not in the playoffs is we lost to Florida. And if you are honest, with the talent level we had this year how did that happen? How did we so underperform after such an amazing performance versus Ohio State? While I would love to say that is coaching, I tend to blame the players. I circled Florida as out trap game this season in the Spring. But that was before Florida imploded. They rallied to try and save Napier, as we were fucking sure that our talent would eclipse effort. Big fucking mistake. We were GROSSLY overrated going into the season. Hell what other team do you know of that has a backup QB proclaimed the Heisman front runner. Don't you need to show some shit on the field before such lofty proclamations?

Hell CJ Baxter was going to be the second coming of (insert your Ricky or Earl overestimation) In the end, you can coach the shit out of kids, but if they think they are clearly more talented, sometimes (oftentimes) that expectation leads to a lack of urgency. Which opens the door to potential disaster. Taking field goals, instead of TD's is sort of the canary in the coal mine.

Right now we have to figure out how to get our OL to block well for whoever is in the backfield. The yearly ability to renegotiate NIL money is something that structurally will need to change over time. But right now the end of season is like a hand of Texas Hold'em from a negotiating standpoint. And for Texas that is a good and bad thing. So when folks say something like keep "so and so at any price!" You have to understand, how upping the paycheck of some, tends to drag up the paychecks of those less worthy. And at some point, you have to decide how much money you can allocate to what positions within your budget. Or can we just decide we can pay more than any team out there at ever position and pay our third stringers Ohio State level starter pay?

I like the off season coaching moves, as I think the team needed to see some accountable heads roll after underperforming. I certainly don't like losing any potential pieces of the puzzle from the player side. But it's now part of the money landscape of college football. To be honest this off season/transfer portal is probably the most critical of Sark's time at the wheel.

12 hours ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

I dont think you know how close Sark came to being fired this year.

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9 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

One good rb that can carry a team during droughts and Texas beats Ohio state

We more than doubled the rushing yards of Ohio State in week 1 (and Arch threw for more yards than Sayin). Nothing matters if your Head Coach/OC goes full retard in the red zone.

15 minutes ago, horn4life said:

the singular reason we are not in the playoffs is we lost to Florida

Nope.

We had to play Florida. We chose to play Ohio State.....while the teams that actually made the playoffs scheduled cupcakes. We fucked ourselves last year and will likely fuck ourselves again in the very near future.

18 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

We more than doubled the rushing yards of Ohio State in week 1 (and Arch threw for more yards than Sayin). Nothing matters if your Head Coach/OC goes full retard in the red zone.

Nope.

We had to play Florida. We chose to play Ohio State.....while the teams that actually made the playoffs scheduled cupcakes. We fucked ourselves last year and will likely fuck ourselves again in the very near future.

The we chose Ohio state is such a terrible talking point. It’s flat out we don’t lose to Florida and we’re in. Florida is a garbage team we had no business losing to point blank. Voters didn’t leave us out because of Ohio State loss, they left us out because of a horrible loss to a bad team which led to be a 3rd loss.

4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The we chose Ohio state is such a terrible talking point. It’s flat out we don’t lose to Florida and we’re in. Florida is a garbage team we had no business losing to point blank. Voters didn’t leave us out because of Ohio State loss, they left us out because of a horrible loss to a bad team which led to be a 3rd loss.

It is flat out that if Texas is 10-2, Texas is in the playoffs. That means beating OSU, Florida, or Georgia would have put Texas in. Trying to say it was because of a singular loss to any of those teams is just wrong

30 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

We more than doubled the rushing yards of Ohio State in week 1 (and Arch threw for more yards than Sayin). Nothing matters if your Head Coach/OC goes full retard in the red zone.

Nope.

We had to play Florida. We chose to play Ohio State.....while the teams that actually made the playoffs scheduled cupcakes. We fucked ourselves last year and will likely fuck ourselves again in the very near future.

If we beat Florida, we're in. It's as simple as that.

Just now, immamac said:

Or Ohio State or Georgia.

The Ohio State and Florida games were the most winnable in the deep 4th.

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52 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

We more than doubled the rushing yards of Ohio State in week 1 (and Arch threw for more yards than Sayin). Nothing matters if your Head Coach/OC goes full retard in the red zone.

Nope.

We had to play Florida. We chose to play Ohio State.....while the teams that actually made the playoffs scheduled cupcakes. We fucked ourselves last year and will likely fuck ourselves again in the very near future.

Wisner was the 12th best sec rb this year, imagine if Texas had gotten a good rb instead of relying on him and Baxter. I’m betting a really good rb rushes for 150 yards on his own in that Ohio state game which changes the whole game entirely. Sark is a numb nuts for the failure in the rb and OL rooms.

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18 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Wisner was the 12th best sec rb this year, imagine if Texas had gotten a good rb instead of relying on him and Baxter. I’m betting a really good rb rushes for 150 yards on his own in that Ohio state game which changes the whole game entirely. Sark is a numb nuts for the failure in the rb and OL rooms.

No idea how the OSU game plays out, if you change part of it. They played pretty conservative throughout the game. That said, I think this was my issue with the RB room. When they got good blocking (rare occurrence), the RBs turned it into 8-15 yards. That was difference between Brooks and this group. Both were pretty poor in short yardage, but when Brooks got the blocking or made someone miss it was going to be an explosive. I think that probably fits Sark's offense more than a power Rb. Still amazing me that Texas has started a RB that was pushed out of the starting spot by a sophomore named Tiger Riden in High School.

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9 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

New discussions with fresh perspectives are happening!

Yeah, I have never seen scheduling spilled milk pointed to as often in my life. If you schedule shit teams you can win most of those games. But if you play a shit team that the SEC schedules, and you lose. THAT is NOT the problem...

That's why some guys prefer to not to ask out hot women. They don't want the potential disappointment. And that's just a difference in perspective. Some of us realize that you just might hear a no or two along the way to banging hot chicks. But sure things are perfect for some guys.

But sure things were always boring to me....

10 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

Texas should get use to losing 3 games in the “bad years”….ooof…with a $20 million roster? You can’t really believe that huh? If they are really committing that kind of money then you gotta make the 12 team playoff every year. Win a title is where it gets hazy because I don’t think he’s capable but missing the playoffs with the resources Texas has is a failure and dumb. One good rb that can carry a team during droughts and Texas beats Ohio state and Florida, it’s just evaluations. Sark sucks at it or his staff sucks at it which mean he sucks at being their boss.

We do t have the expectations that Bama, Tosu and Georgia have. Good enough is enough….good enough for most of our fans and CDC

1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

We do t have the expectations that Bama, Tosu and Georgia have. Good enough is enough….good enough for most of our fans and CDC

I think the expectations should be getting into the playoffs and competing for SEC championships. By that I mean Texas should be in the discussion for the SEC champ game the last 2 weeks of the season. If a strange world with unbalanced schedules, so weird things can happen. Playoffs are just as odd, the path for wins is probably best at the 5 seed. Texas won 2 playoff games last year and did not beat a single NC contender. That is why it is tough to say Texas should be in the quarter finals of the playoffs. Lot of it comes down to luck of the draw.

19 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Given sark’s history most likely we win 9-10 and miss the playoffs or exit early, for the same old reasons.

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

New discussions with fresh perspectives are happening!

well, today I learned that seven win Steven is now 9–10 win Steven. I likey

Texas wins a title about every 35 years. 2040 is going to be really awesome.

2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

It is flat out that if Texas is 10-2, Texas is in the playoffs. That means beating OSU, Florida, or Georgia would have put Texas in. Trying to say it was because of a singular loss to any of those teams is just wrong

Then don't lose to a 4-8 team who fired their coach a few weeks later, plain and simple.

1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

We do t have the expectations that Bama, Tosu and Georgia have. Good enough is enough….good enough for most of our fans and CDC

That is a huge BINGO

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Then don't lose to a 4-8 team who fired their coach a few weeks later, plain and simple.

That is a huge BINGO

No, it was the 3. I know ESPN and the committee told you how to think and you sopped that up like gravy with a biscuit, but it requires little critical thinking to realize that beating Georgia or OSU would have done the job. Texas's chances were dealt a massive blow after the Georgia game. Texas was technically in the playoffs, until that loss. The committee dropped them from 10 to 17. Losing 7 spots playing the #5 team on the road seemed overly punitive. You could argue that was the death knell. It is moronic to argue that if Texas won that game, they would not have made the playoffs.

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The 2025 Texas Longhorns would lose 10 times if we played the 2025 Georgia Bulldogs 10 times. What are we even talking about here? We weren't winning no goddamn championship.

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12 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

Texas should get use to losing 3 games in the “bad years”….ooof…with a $20 million roster? You can’t really believe that huh? If they are really committing that kind of money then you gotta make the 12 team playoff every year. Win a title is where it gets hazy because I don’t think he’s capable but missing the playoffs with the resources Texas has is a failure and dumb. One good rb that can carry a team during droughts and Texas beats Ohio state and Florida, it’s just evaluations. Sark sucks at it or his staff sucks at it which mean he sucks at being their boss.

User Name: Winning is Hard

User: Texas should never lose more than two games and should make the playoffs every year.

Perfect.

12 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

No, it was the 3. I know ESPN and the committee told you how to think and you sopped that up like gravy with a biscuit, but it requires little critical thinking to realize that beating Georgia or OSU would have done the job.

It doesn't take critical thinking to know that you shouldn't lose to a 4-8 team.

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It doesn't take critical thinking to know that you shouldn't lose to a 4-8 team.

Alabama lost to a Florida State team that got spanked by that Florida team.

Alabama hosted 4-8 Wisconsin, we played away to #2 (at the time) Ohio State.

Alabama is in the playoffs.

3 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

Alabama lost to a Florida State team that got spanked by that Florida team.

Alabama hosted 4-8 Wisconsin, we played away to #2 (at the time) Ohio State.

Alabama is in the playoffs.

Alabama played for a conference championship, we did not. That is the key difference.

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Alabama played for a conference championship, we did not. That is the key difference.

yes, Bama beat Georgia in the regular season and Texas did not. You are correct that game made the difference.

3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The we chose Ohio state is such a terrible talking point. It’s flat out we don’t lose to Florida and we’re in. Florida is a garbage team we had no business losing to point blank. Voters didn’t leave us out because of Ohio State loss, they left us out because of a horrible loss to a bad team which led to be a 3rd loss.

It is the perfect talking point. If Texas had played a division five trade school instead of OSU, even with the UF loss, Texas is in the playoffs. Making your road to the playoffs more difficult than it has to be, ESPECIALLY scheduling a powerhouse on the road in week 1, is fucking retarded and of questionable integrity. When we announced our move to the SEC, we should have canceled every difficult OOC game planned for the future. Del Conte is an idiot.

3 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

It is the perfect talking point. If Texas had played a division five trade school instead of OSU, even with the UF loss, Texas is in the playoffs. Making your road to the playoffs more difficult than it has to be, ESPECIALLY scheduling a powerhouse on the road in week 1, is fucking retarded and of questionable integrity. When we announced our move to the SEC, we should have canceled every difficult OOC game planned for the future. Del Conte is an idiot.

We should NOT have taken the committee at their word that they were encouraging these matchups and wouldn’t teams who lose them.

On 12/27/2025 at 7:38 PM, WinningIsHard said:

The argument is sark has all the tools to be Kirby smart or Ryan day

Even after being handed the keys to a sports car, Day didn't win a title until year 6.

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Day and Kirby both coached for a natty in year 2.

Kirby, who objectively is obviously an excellent coach, also implemented a pre-NIL baggiest of bag systems.

Day took over a machine from Urban. And still couldn't win a title until year 6.

If you watched the Tom Herman years and then watched players like BJ Foster suit up in year one of Sark and expected us to make the national championship game in Year 2, then I don't know what to tell you. Something something critical thinking.

4 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

Kirby, who objectively is obviously an excellent coach, also implemented a pre-NIL baggiest of bag systems.

Day took over a machine from Urban. And still couldn't win a title until year 6.

If you watched the Tom Herman years and then watched players like BJ Foster suit up in year one of Sark and expected us to make the national championship game in Year 2, then I don't know what to tell you. Something something critical thinking.

Yeah I shouldn’t have expectations as high as I do of a guy nicknamed 7 win Steve before taking the Texas job. That’s my fault and I apologize.

1 hour ago, TheBryMan81 said:

Even after being handed the keys to a sports car, Day didn't win a title until year 6.

Ryan day has never lost 3 games in a season as a head coach. Not once. Competing for titles is the requirement when you spend $20 million. Sark probably won’t win one but he should be there to have the chance almost every year. Barring some injuries and horrible luck he should do what Ryan day has done, 5/7 years and that’s with Michigan cheating their balls off.

4 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The we chose Ohio state is such a terrible talking point. It’s flat out we don’t lose to Florida and we’re in. Florida is a garbage team we had no business losing to point blank. Voters didn’t leave us out because of Ohio State loss, they left us out because of a horrible loss to a bad team which led to be a 3rd loss.

Again, we chose to play Ohio State. We had to play Florida. We had to play Georgia. That is inarguable. That is a fact. If any of our 3 losses had been wins, we would be in the playoffs. The voters 100% left us out because of the Ohio State loss because that was 1 of our 3 losses. Sub Texas State in place of Ohio State, we win, and are in the playoffs. Our football/athletics leadership had no capactiy to sub a garbage team in place of Florida or Georgia. The Ohio State game was within our control, and our leadership failed the program.

I know I am being redundant. I just don't know any other way to approach the intellectually hollow argument many of you are making over and over and over again. The CFB playoff committee has made it crystal clear they don't care about strength of schedule, only the number of losses.

It's so weird, some of you are so eager to cling to some bizarre element of pride in our unnecessary OOC scheduling, that you are willing to completely divroce yourselves from reality.

Florida that day would of beat a handful of top 10 to 25 teams. They just shit the bed after the Texas win. Still should of won that game.

40 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Ryan day has never lost 3 games in a season as a head coach. Not once. Competing for titles is the requirement when you spend $20 million. Sark probably won’t win one but he should be there to have the chance almost every year. Barring some injuries and horrible luck he should do what Ryan day has done, 5/7 years and that’s with Michigan cheating their balls off.

again expectations. They were gonna fire his ass. We are not on their level expectations wise

51 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

Kirby, who objectively is obviously an excellent coach, also implemented a pre-NIL baggiest of bag systems.

Day took over a machine from Urban. And still couldn't win a title until year 6.

If you watched the Tom Herman years and then watched players like BJ Foster suit up in year one of Sark and expected us to make the national championship game in Year 2, then I don't know what to tell you. Something something critical thinking.

Do yourself a favor. Dont look Herman’s first three years here vs sarks.

5 minutes ago, Blackcat00 said:

Florida that day would havelorida beat a handful of top 10 to 25 teams. They just shit the bed after the Texas win. Still should have won that game.

Florida lost to usf. Shit team

So many fucking pussies in here. Why leave the big 12 if we're just going to whine and cry for cupcakes? Fuck that. I want to play good teams and beat them. Fuck all of you sniveling cunts that live your lives in fear. Go cry to Ketchum on his board. That's your crowd.

Win any of tOSU, UGa, FLA and we're in. Nobody disputes this. Arguing about scheduling tOSU instead of Little Sisters of the Poor is pointless.

The overall problem, which we mostly have ignored here, has been the paucity of the running game.

The OL being inexperienced and lacking in skill was one part there, and we don't know if Flood is wholly at fault or if Sark just failed to OC him. I lean toward the latter, and it seems that Sark very well may have had some serious non-football problems in his life.

The lack of quantity/quality in the RB room is, to me, even more damning. While there seemingly were obvious personal issues between some of the backs and the coach, these are HC/OC shortcomings - for picking the coach in the first place, and for not being aware of, or ignoring, issues.

Ultimately the bottom line imo is that Sark gambled that Baxter would be ready to go, and Wisner would continue to overachieve... or at the very least that one of the others would step up. The only one who stepped up was Wisner. Baxter couldn't, and no one else apparently gave Sark confidence to even let them try more than a couple of carries.

Color me a solid shade of approval for the tOSU schedule. You wanna be the best? Fucking play the best, and beat them. All in on playing the best, now let's win.

1 minute ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Sark will absolutely be gone if we dont make the playoffs next year.

No he will not.

2 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

Ryan day has never lost 3 games in a season as a head coach. Not once. Competing for titles is the requirement when you spend $20 million. Sark probably won’t win one but he should be there to have the chance almost every year. Barring some injuries and horrible luck he should do what Ryan day has done, 5/7 years and that’s with Michigan cheating their balls off.

There is so much dumbassery in this thread my head hurts.

What are you talking about “20 million” ?

Every D1 school has the same amount of money to spend dumbass.

16 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

No he will not.

There is so much dumbassery in this thread my head hurts.

What are you talking about “20 million” ?

Every D1 school has the same amount of money to spend dumbass.

Are you high or is this a bit? Not every school has the same amount of money to spend. You can’t call people dumbasses then say stuff like that, I mean you can but that irony can be cut with a knife. Texas has way more money to spend than everybody else not named Ohio state or Texas tech apparently.

2 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Are you high or is this a bit? Not every school has the same amount of money to spend. You can’t call people dumbasses then say stuff like that, I mean you can but that irony can be cut with a knife. Texas has way more money to spend than everybody else not named Ohio state or Texas tech apparently.

Explain please. Texas may be better positioned to offer corporate NIL opportunities than a school like Texas Tech for example, but my understanding was that schools are now allowed to spend up to something like $22 mil per year on NIL, and that collectives/schools could not exceed that $22mil (or whatever it is). If there are ways for schools to get around that cap, please explain.

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Just now, irishtexan said:

Explain please. Texas may be better positioned to offer corporate NIL opportunities than a school like Texas Tech for example, but my understanding was that schools are now allowed to spend up to something like $22 mil per year on NIL, and that collectives/schools and any other NIL payment from the school or the collective could not exceed that $22mil (or whatever it is). If there are ways for schools to get around that cap, please explain.

There are ways around the cap. Its called cheating, it's pretty common in college football. Texas is going to do what they've always done-ride the high horse and throw up our hands and say we did all we could

1 minute ago, irishtexan said:

Explain please. Texas may be better positioned to offer corporate NIL opportunities than a school like Texas Tech for example, but my understanding was that schools are now allowed to spend up to something like $22 mil per year on NIL, and that collectives/schools could not exceed that $22mil (or whatever it is). If there are ways for schools to get around that cap, please explain.

Somebody posted the ways around it on here somewhere. One of them is the collective pay for half of the deal which means only $500k of wingo’s deal hits Texas. It equals a million but you only take $500k hit on the part that has a cap. You need to have more money than everybody else to make that work, which Texas does.

2 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Do yourself a favor. Dont look Herman’s first three years here vs sarks.

6 losses, 4 losses, 5 losses, 1 top 10 finish, 0 conference championships, 0 playoff appearances.

7 losses, 5 losses, 2 losses, 1 top 4 finish, 1 conference championship, 1 playoff appearance

When either coach took over from their predecessor, expecting to play in the national championship game in Year 2 a la Kirby and Day is ridiculously unrealistic.

Granted, I would've hoped that we would've played for a title by year 5. But I also recognize that Sark has at least gotten us on the cusp and back in the conversation regularly, which is a place we haven't been since Colt got hurt.

5 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Somebody posted the ways around it on here somewhere. One of them is the collective pay for half of the deal which means only $500k of wingo’s deal hits Texas. It equals a million but you only take $500k hit on the part that has a cap. You need to have more money than everybody else to make that work, which Texas does.

Who pays the other half? Whose books is it on?

2 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

6 losses, 4 losses, 5 losses, 1 top 10 finish, 0 conference championships, 0 playoff appearances.

7 losses, 5 losses, 2 losses, 1 top 4 finish, 1 conference championship, 1 playoff appearance

When either coach took over from their predecessor, expecting to play in the national championship game in Year 2 a la Kirby and Day is ridiculously unrealistic.

Granted, I would've hoped that we would've played for a title by year 5. But I also recognize that Sark has at least gotten us on the cusp and back in the conversation regularly, which is a place we haven't been since Colt got hurt.

We did against OSU last year. We lost because we couldnt score from the 1 and gave up a bullshit screen TD right before half.

12 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

Explain please. Texas may be better positioned to offer corporate NIL opportunities than a school like Texas Tech for example, but my understanding was that schools are now allowed to spend up to something like $22 mil per year on NIL, and that collectives/schools could not exceed that $22mil (or whatever it is). If there are ways for schools to get around that cap, please explain.

Revshare is capped, NIL collectives are uncapped. There is no way "around the cap" you just donate the money to the other org. One comes from the AD one comes from the collective.

 

2 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

Ryan day has never lost 3 games in a season as a head coach. Not once. Competing for titles is the requirement when you spend $20 million. Sark probably won’t win one but he should be there to have the chance almost every year. Barring some injuries and horrible luck he should do what Ryan day has done, 5/7 years and that’s with Michigan cheating their balls off.

it was 40M+ and yeah - it's fucked up and a situation that Texas should never be in. Losing 3 games with 2 other games that went to OT against dogshit teams is not acceptable as an outcome. People got fired, players are gonna get shuffled around, but save me with the "lol next year seven win steve can go 7-5 and not get fired" horse shit.

No one is being unreasonable with the expectation being playoff berths with 12 fucking teams. This year they were a bubble team and arguably should have been in if it wasn't for stupid auto-bid rules so you get a little bit of a pass. Next season Texas cannot have more than 2 losses and expect a playoff berth, no team should unless everyone has lost more than 2 games (definitely more 2 loss teams possible with 9 game SEC schedule). This year wasn't good, they achieved none of the goals from pre-season and if they don't win the bowl they won't even have double digits in the win column. It would be a complete failure (by measures of success) of a football season for Texas and it honestly may as well have been fucking 7-5. It sure as fuck felt like 7-5 with the god damned OT wins needed. No 1k rusher, Manning looked like dogshit 3/4 of the season, OL played like a bunch of sissies for the majority of the season, Defense played great except when the playcalls were softer than fuck and people abused the bend but don't break scheme and that got the dude fired.

2025 was not a good season, it wasn't a building season, it was a shit season lost to history with nothing to fucking remember and no one winning shit, I mean no one literally won any hardware of any significance. 4 All Americans and that's it.

2026 cannot look, feel, start, end, or be like in any way shape or form 2025 which was a dogshit fucking season outside of beating ou, piggy and aggy

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