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19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Ddue, she's Romanian.  Those people are CRAZY.

So....not ruling it out....

Also, man, they HATE them some commies.  Daughter became friends with a Romanian girl at university, got to know her grandmother.  The woman literally spits at the ground every time the communists and the Russians come up.  Hatred is too mild a word.

I work with a dude that lived in Romania, and served in the military there, during Soviet times. He hates them. He's told me there's definitely Romanians that romanticize the Soviet period. He thinks they're fucking idiots.

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Just now, Schulz2.0 said:

I work with a dude that lived in Romania, and served in the military there, during Soviet times. He hates them. He's told me there's definitely Romanians that romanticize the Soviet period. He thinks they're fucking idiots.

Think of them like how we think of Neo-Confederates still waxing about the Lost Cause. They’re fucking losers.

Meanwhile, here's some more video on that drone taking down the Russian helicopter.

 

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I hadn't realized this guy was still doing those man-on-the-street interviews and would've thought he'd gotten out, gone dark, or was sent to the front. These are always really interesting, listening to people voice their fears in carefully selected, coded words, or on the other hand, being in total denial with constructed rationalizations.

 

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Think of them like how we think of Neo-Confederates still waxing about the Lost Cause. They’re fucking losers.


Not like that at all. I lived in Budapest and in Eastern Czech Republic for over a year right when the wall came down. People were poor. Some jobs were available but not everyone had work. 
 

So people without work remember the days when Russia provided for them regardless of their job status. Of course young people with jobs are much better off under capitalism, but the old and the stupid may not be. In any case, it is an individual economic determination that people use in their thought process (can I put food on the table), not necessarily a country-wide prosperity thought process, and most definitely nothing like the neo-confederate thought process.

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GOD DAMMIT TO HELL!!!!

I was typing a long response, did a quick search in the wrong window, bounced out of Surly, OH, SHIT!!! I hit the back button, and nothing was there!


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20 minutes ago, PTINS said:

GOD DAMMIT TO HELL!!!!

I was typing a long response, did a quick search in the wrong window, bounced out of Surly, OH, SHIT!!! I hit the back button, and nothing was there!


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On 9/26/2025 at 8:55 AM, Parliament said:

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What has been the turning point?  Is it as simple as Ukraine being able to doggedly wear down Russian infrastructure?  They've been barely able to take out assets barely faster than Russia can replace?  Do that for 2.5 years (!) and you achieve superiority?

A: Ukraine took the gloves off.

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On 9/26/2025 at 4:50 PM, Schulz2.0 said:

It's not even safe to take a dump anymore.

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On 9/27/2025 at 4:46 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Another one for @PTINS this time on the other side of Moscow, affecting western Russia. If officials admit to “minor damage” and that pumping operations were suspended, that probably means it’s out of commission for a while.

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^^^^ not my numbers, somebody else posted them

Similar to Refineries, what exactly Ukraine damaged is important, and very difficult to tell.

Refineries >> Pipelines >> Compressor & Pump Stations >> Storage Tanks.

The pipelines themselves are buried, and in the pump & compressor stations, most of the lines are buried, so it is difficult to know what was damaged without an idea what was there to begin with.

Fluids move through pipes like a water hose, high pressure at one end, low pressure on the other.  To fully utilize a long haul pipeline, you add booster stations along the pipeline to boost the pressures and increase the capacity.

Gas is compressible, and a compressor is used to increase the pressure in the pipe. Liquids are not compressible, and a pump is used to increase the pressure in the pipeline. The functions between the two are similar in that both pipelines have friction losses (pressure drops), but the mechanics are very different. "Hydraulics" for the lay person, "Fluid Mechanics" for the enlightened ones. 

The Urengoy Pipeline transports gas from Siberia to Ukraine to Slovakia, some 2800 miles, with 42 compressor stations along the way. They are spaced 60-80 miles apart, depending on the topography, among other things. Blowing up the pipeline is more damaging than blowing up a single booster station. When Ukraine "invaded" Russia earlier this year (last year?), they damaged a gas measurement facility on this pipeline, which caused a bigger accounting issue than an operational one.

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The pipeline itself has a maximum operating pressure, and the higher the pressure, the higher the volumes moved (throughput).  A single midpoint booster station (pumps or compressors) basically doubles the throughput of a pipeline, by increasing the pressure to offset the pressure drop.

With the multiple booster stations on a pipeline, you end up with a "saw tooth" pressure profile along the pipeline, with each station boosting the pressure to set point, (MAOP).

In the diagram below, with only Station "A" at the beginning of the pipeline, the volumes transported to the Terminal are "X".  Adding a midpoint booster at Station "C" would increase the throughput to "2X".  Adding Stations "B", "C" and "D" would would increase the throughput to "4X". Any capacity reduction at any one station could be minimized by changing the operating conditions at the stations before and after the affected station, with a minimal decrease in the throughput. Most of Russia's pipelines are operating at much lower volumes due to sanctions, so any longer term interruptions from any one station would be minimal.
 

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If the mainlines were also damaged at a station, that is a much different scenario. 

Large diameter pipeline explosions make nice pictures. A huge fireball that goes full throttle until the pipeline fuel is consumed, with the dynamic effect similar to a large jet engine on afterburner, with a 50 mile long mile tank feeding it. 
  

Urengoy Pipeline Explosion

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18 hours ago, Bevo said:

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Careful, you could put an eye out if you get too close.

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Crazy eyes. Let me get on, and turn her loose. I can last for 8 seconds. Oh, wait.

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My brother’s company builds gas pipelines so this hits close to home. Plus, I  have a Chem E minor (if the damn Nat Sci and engineering departments allowed minors). 

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4 hours ago, PTINS said:

Similar to Refineries, what exactly Ukraine damaged is important, and very difficult to tell.

Russian demographics are hard to figure out - supposedly around 140 million people, give or take 5 million.  They certainly act like they are doing poorly given how hard they are trying to bring in manpower from outside of Russia (North Koreans, Indians, Chinese, Africans, etc.). Supposedly the Moscow metro area has around 20 million people.  Certainly feasible given the size.

If Ukraine continues to hit anything and everything that keeps Moscow going, whether it’s refineries or pipelines or pumping stations, as we head into the winter, well the talking heads on state TV are pumping out one narrative about how the war is going, but if people can’t get gas for their cars, can’t run their heaters, that is one helluva counter-narrative to what the government is saying. 

I don’t think we’ve ever seen a modern top-15 metro area lose their fuel supply, whether it’s for cars or for heating homes. I don’t want to get my hopes up, but that seems like the kind of stuff that gets people riled up.

 

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9 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Did Ukraine drop a bunch of taco bell in the russian trenches? That dudes ass needed a vacation before he got a frag enema.

It’s “Trench Ass” which is kind of like trench foot, but worse.

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

it kind of looks like he just finished the “welcome to the platoon” initiation.  

Aggies will tell you it's not hazing. And it's not "Redass".

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But it's most likely bloody shits from non-stop bad water.

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Russian propagandist Maksim Kalashnikov stated that Ukraine's attacks on oil refineries, gas pumping stations, and pipelines are no longer pinpoint actions, but a systematic campaign aimed at Russia's economic shattering. "I can state that the situation is deteriorating. The fuel crisis is developing now. The voices of those who say that they have to switch to rationed consumption using coupons, basically fuel cards, are becoming louder and louder," he said.

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Ukraine will receive Swedish 4th generation multi-role Gripen fighters for the first time, — Deputy Minister of Defense Havryliuk The Armed Forces of Ukraine will also soon receive additional F-16 aircraft and French Mirage jets. He added that under the new PURL program, the first deliveries have already arrived in Ukraine, but the volume and pace of assistance have decreased. Previously, under the Presidential Assistance Packages (PDA), we received aid from the US rhythmically and in larger volumes. Today's system, where European countries purchase weapons for us from the Americans, requires some time. The more links in the chain, the more time is lost.

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From The Guadian:

Ukraine war briefing: Europe ‘no longer at peace’ with Russia, says German chancellor

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Germany ready to defend Baltic region, Berlin says while Hungarian PM claims Ukraine ‘not a sovereign country’. What we know on day 1,315

 

A burnt out car after a Russian drone attack in Vyshneve, Kyiv region.

  • German chancellor Friedrich Merz said on Monday that Europe “is not at war … but no longer at peace” with Russia. “Let me put it in a sentence that may be a little shocking at first glance … we are not at war, but we are no longer at peace either,” Merz said at a media event in Duesseldorf. Russia’s war is “a war against our democracy and a war against our freedom,” Merz said, adding that Moscow’s intention was to undermine unity in the bloc. He also referred to his recent endorsement of an EU plan to unlock frozen Russian assets to finance Ukraine’s war effort, saying the move could provide military support for Ukraine for three to five years.

  • Separately, German defence minister Boris Pistorius said Germany was ready to protect the Baltic region and would respond to Russia’s threats in a united and responsible manner. Pistorius, speaking at the opening of a Permanent Logistics Support Area in Rukla in Lithuania, said Germany was committed to strengthening deterrence, with roughly 2,000 troops to serve in Lithuania by mid-2026.

  • Hungary’s Viktor Orbán said on Monday that Ukraine was not a sovereign country, as he hit back at accusations that Hungarian reconnaissance drones violated its airspace. “Ukraine is not at war with Hungary; it is at war with Russia. It should be concerned with the drones on its eastern border,” the Hungarian prime minister said during an interview on a right-wing podcast popular with his supporters. “I believe my ministers, but let’s say it would have actually flown a few metres there, so what? Ukraine is not an independent country. Ukraine is not a sovereign country, Ukraine is financed by us, the West gives it funds, weapons,” Orban said. On Friday, Zelenskiy said that reconnaissance drones that violated Ukraine’s airspace could have flown from Hungary to check the industrial potential of western border areas.

  • Ukraine has proposed building a joint air defence shield with allies to protect against threats from Russia, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Monday, after a series of airspace incursions that caused alarm on Nato’s eastern flank. “Ukraine proposes to Poland and all our partners to build a joint, fully reliable shield against Russian aerial threats,” he said in an address to the Warsaw Security Forum delivered via video link. “Ukraine can counter all kinds of Russian drones and missiles and if we act together in the region we will have enough weapons and production capacity.”

  • The UK, France, Germany and Sweden said on Monday they would help Denmark increase its anti-drone security during two European summits in Copenhagen this week. Donald Tusk, Poland’s prime minister, said the scale of the recent drone incursions was such that “the entire western, transatlantic community” needed to realise “this is war”.

  • A Russian overnight drone strike killed a family of four in the north-eastern Sumy region on Tuesday, the head of the regional military administration said. Oleg Grygorov said Russian forces had hit a residential building in the village of Chernechchyna, in the Krasnopillia community. “A couple with two young children lived in this house. Unfortunately, no one managed to escape,” Grygorov wrote on the Telegram platform.

  • Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that Russian forces are prevailing in what he said was a “righteous battle” in Ukraine. “Our fighters and commanders go on the attack, and the entire country, all of Russia, is waging this righteous battle and working hard,” Putin said in a video published on the Kremlin’s website. “Together we are defending our love for the motherland and the unity of our historical destiny, we are fighting and we are prevailing.”

  • Separately Putin on Monday called up 135,000 men for routine military service, the country’s biggest autumn conscription drive since 2016. Russia calls up men aged between 18 and 30 for compulsory military service each spring and autumn. Conscripts are expected to serve for a year at a military base inside Russia, not to fight in Ukraine, although there have been reports of conscripted men being sent to the frontline. Russia’s annual conscription campaigns are unrelated to mobilisation, in which Russian men are drafted to fight during wartime.

  • Also on Monday Putin signed a law to pull Russia out of a European anti-torture convention. Russia was expelled from the Council of Europe, an international human-rights monitor, in March 2022, though it had technically remained a party to its European Convention for the Prevention of Torture. The landmark agreement aims to strengthen the rights of persons deprived of their liberty and empowers monitors to visit prisons and detention centres.

  • The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine has now been without offsite power for six days, the UN atomic watchdog’s chief Rafael Grossi said on Monday. The plant in southeastern Ukraine has been under Russian control since the early weeks of the war, and each side has repeatedly accused the other of shelling it and jeopardising nuclear safety. The IAEA said the external power lines supplying the plant came down last week for the 10th time in the conflict and emergency diesel generators were brought into service.

  • The Council of Europe on Monday awarded its 2025 rights prize to Ukrainian journalist and rights activist Maksym Butkevych, who was released last year after being captured by Russian forces. Butkevych, co-founder of the independent Hromadske radio station and ZMINA human rights centre in Kyiv, joined the Ukrainian army in March 2022, then was detained in June and convicted of war crimes by a court in Luhansk in Russian-controlled eastern Ukraine in March 2023. He was sentenced to a 13-year prison term on charges of wounding two civilians while firing an anti-tank grenade launcher in the eastern city of Sievierodonetsk, but he was released during an October 2024 prisoner exchange.

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1 hour ago, Bevo said:
  • Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that Russian forces are prevailing in what he said was a “righteous battle” in Ukraine. “Our fighters and commanders go on the attack, and the entire country, all of Russia, is waging this righteous battle and working hard,” Putin said in a video published on the Kremlin’s website. “Together we are defending our love for the motherland and the unity of our historical destiny, we are fighting and we are prevailing.”

I'm sure when Russians are picking up their coffee can's worth of fuel at the handful of gas stations still open, they'll be thinking "WE ARE PREVAILING IN THE RIGHTEOUS BATTLE" lol.

Like I said, he can push that narrative all he wants, but fuel rationing and shortages as well as overall energy shortages make for a helluva counter-narrative that the Russian civilians can't ignore.

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Russian propagandist Maksim Kalashnikov stated that Ukraine's attacks on oil refineries, gas pumping stations, and pipelines are no longer pinpoint actions, but a systematic campaign aimed at Russia's economic shattering. "I can state that the situation is deteriorating. The fuel crisis is developing now. The voices of those who say that they have to switch to rationed consumption using coupons, basically fuel cards, are becoming louder and louder," he said.
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10 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Russian propagandist Maksim Kalashnikov stated that Ukraine's attacks on oil refineries, gas pumping stations, and pipelines are no longer pinpoint actions, but a systematic campaign aimed at Russia's economic shattering. "I can state that the situation is deteriorating. The fuel crisis is developing now. The voices of those who say that they have to switch to rationed consumption using coupons, basically fuel cards, are becoming louder and louder," he said.

 

There is exactly zero chance that the Russian black market isn’t selling the now precious fuel at inflated prices to people who have money to purchase far more than 8 gallons…. and the ability to stock up on as many gallons as possible before things get worse.  

Which will lead to further shortages.

There is a Lada Facebook group that shares information, and it appears most get between 8 to 11 KM per liter.  Basically call it 20 miles a gallon.   So each driver will have 150 to 160 miles per 30 liter fill up.   The problem, of course, is that there needs to be a gas station - with fuel  available - when you start to run out, and you always have to save enough fuel before you wait in line to be able to eventually make it to the station.   

As always, people who live in large metropolitan areas can take the bus and subway/train.  The rest of the people who live in vast rural Russia (and depend upon driving to get to work and the grocery store) are going to be suffering.

Edit: i’m not sure which vehicles need the 95 versus the 92 to work properly.   The one time my cheap kid borrowed my BMW and brought it back filled with cheap 87 octane gas, I knew it immediately.    I have no idea which octane brand is still available and what impact that has on anything..

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4 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

There is exactly zero chance that the Russian black market isn’t selling the now precious fuel at inflated prices to people who have money to purchase far more than 8 gallons…. and the ability to stock up on as many gallons as possible before things get worse.  

Which will lead to further shortages.

It's already being shown on Russian social media.

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Not enough diesel or gas to sell outside Russia. Who needs rubles?

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Crimea, which Russia annexed from Ukraine in 2014, introduced gasoline rationing on Monday, saying motorists would be restricted to 30 litres at a time. It also imposed a price freeze, in an apparent attempt to minimise public anger over the disruption.

 

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A nighttime strike by Ukrainian forces on Belgorod paralyzed operations at the local thermal power plant and left more than 160,000 residents in the region without electricity, according to Russian reports.

HIMARS rockets destroyed the foundation of the building housing gas-turbine units at the Belgorod thermal power plant, the Russian outlet ASTRA reported, citing informed sources.

The strike also sparked a fire in the plant’s main building, forcing an emergency shutdown of power generation; the facility switched to supplying hot water only.

Another missile hit a substation in the village of Blizhnyaya Igumenka in the Belgorod district, causing serious damage to transformers and power lines.

Sources said that more than 20,000 residents lost power immediately after the strike. To prevent overloading the grid, authorities additionally cut electricity to more than 400 communities.

The overall impact was severe: overnight, more than 160,000 people were left without electricity. The outage affected over 1,800 substations, and warning systems, traffic lights and gas stations stopped operating.

That will buff right out.

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5 minutes ago, Parliament said:

A-76 is 76 octane I presume?  So they're trying to raise the octane of junk gas?

I think so, and detonation is a hell of a problem if you have a crappy lada engine. Maybe they'll poison themselves with some tetra-ether lead to get the octane up

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On 9/29/2025 at 9:22 AM, atomheartbevo said:

If we’ve already seen shortages in Moscow, and if they are attacking the pipelines and facilities that feed Moscow as well as Russia’s exports, are we that far out?  At the current pace, they won’t be able to keep up with getting things back online in a timely manner.  

 

I know, I was trying to be conservative with my words. I do hope it will be sooner. 

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

A-76 is 76 octane I presume?  So they're trying to raise the octane of junk gas?

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Application: A-76

This grade was primarily intended for older, less sophisticated engines found in some Russian automobiles and heavier trucks.

“Testing Methods: 

The rest of the world, including Russia, primarily uses the Research Octane Number (RON), which is a single measure of a fuel's anti-knock properties. 

US Method: 

The United States uses the Anti-Knock Index (AKI)(or (R+M)/2), which is the average of the RON and the Motor Octane Number (MON). 

Conversion: 

Since MON is always lower than RON, the AKI is typically 4-6 points lower than the RON for the same fuel. 

How A-76 compares

The number 76 in A-76 refers to the MON. 

Since A-76 is defined by a single number (MON), this is the equivalent of the other number found on Russian fuel pumps. 

Given that a fuel with a 92 RON in Russia is about an 88.5 AKI in the US, a Russian A-76 fuel would be roughly equivalent to the 85 AKI (or lower) range, fitting into the lowest tier of US gasoline grades.”

Comment:  if a 92 Russian RON classification is closer to 88.5 US AKI octane rating, then a 72 Russian RON classification would be closer to a 64 US octane rating.  Yikes!

That also means the Russian 95 gas is closer to 90 octane US.  

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