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Just now, Disco Missile said:

This isn't the place for it, but I still chuckle (bitterly) about the Florida 5 4 3 2 1.

And still waiting for that one to prove he can catch 

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1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

Lol at Jordan Hicks being overrated 

Who said that?  Id like to throw some neg in there direction. 

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34 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Every Texas player that went early got terrible advice. Happy for Conner but really worried about him. And I continue to think Malik has been overrated. Hope I’m wrong and he’s Jordan Hicks, who was also overrated. 

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You don’t have a very good memory. He was borderline bust until his senior year. He had a decent senior year, but he was a 5 star and something of a mystery entering the draft. He was drafted in 3rd round and has performed much better in pros than he did in his marginal college career. 

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4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

You don’t have a very good memory. He was borderline bust until his senior year. He had a decent senior year, but he was a 5 star and something of a mystery entering the draft. He was drafted in 3rd round and has performed much better in pros than he did in his marginal college career. 

He was very good when he played. He was just injured all the time.

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1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

You don’t have a very good memory. He was borderline bust until his senior year. He had a decent senior year, but he was a 5 star and something of a mystery entering the draft. He was drafted in 3rd round and has performed much better in pros than he did in his marginal college career. 

Unless you account for his injuries making his career marginal, you are full of shit like all the rest of your posts. He missed a couple seasons with injuries but had about 150 tackles his senior year. His injuries were the only reason he slid to the third round 

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5 minutes ago, Bevo14 said:

He was very good when he played. He was just injured all the time.

Agreed on injuries but he was never very good in college. He wasn’t even as good as Malik. 

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4 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Overrated =/= a third round pick is top 5 at his position in the league

Third round is a disappointment for the hype that Jordan and Malik had coming in. They both had disappointing careers here. 

I’m not sure how his pro career is relevant to my comment about Hicks being overrated at Texas. I already acknowledged how good a pro he is. 

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1 minute ago, naija said:

as a general rule, borderline busts don't get drafted in the 3rd round

And Jordan didn’t enter the draft when he was a borderline bust. He was drafted after his senior season, when he improved upon a marginal injury-plagued career. But you already knew that’s what I had said before your intentionally misleading post. 

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1 minute ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Not to mention LBs who aren't pass rushers typically aren't 1st round values in today's NFL. So getting drafted in the 3rd is damn good. 

It’s not damn good. It’s merely okay. And disappointing considering their hype. 

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2 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Not to mention LBs who aren't pass rushers typically aren't 1st round values in today's NFL. So getting drafted in the 3rd is damn good. 

Sean, Jaylon and Roquan laugh at your comment 

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Rex, I'll agree with you on every Longhorn except Dickson. Winning MVP of a bowl game as a punter is the definition of going out on top.

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2 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Not to mention LBs who aren't pass rushers typically aren't 1st round values in today's NFL. So getting drafted in the 3rd is damn good. 

Uh. As a weakside backer he'll be doing plenty of that. With his speed it would be surprising if he isn't a pass rusher.
His major weakness is pass coverage, and a lot of scouts identified his lack of a killer instinct (alpha qualities I read) and his tendency to get blocked.

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I'm here to admit I was wrong. Looks like Malik could have used another year at UT.

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1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

And Jordan didn’t enter the draft when he was a borderline bust. He was drafted after his senior season, when he improved upon a marginal injury-plagued career. But you already knew that’s what I had said before your intentionally misleading post. 

So he performed as expected when he wasn’t injured and got drafted lower than his performance in the NFL suggests, but was overrated. Got it.

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7 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

So he performed as expected when he wasn’t injured and got drafted lower than his performance in the NFL suggests, but was overrated. Got it.

Where do you get the notion I intimated he performed as expected when he wasn’t injured?  Because he didn’t   

And his pro career is irrelevant to his performance at Texas, for the 4th time. 

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Bengals essentially telling Burfict his days might be done due to being a prick and druggie-ing.

If so, good path for MJ to work into the lineup.  If not, he'll be a "down" substitute/special teams guy for awhile.

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Congrats to Malik. Looks like he lit up the club in Dallas last night with his crew including Heard, Shark, other players and Lil Wayne. Funny to see Malik chug some expensive champagne from the bottle. 

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Hicks was very good as a senior.  It was his first healthy season.  He's been the same in the pros.  He's a very good player when he is healthy.

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Was hoping the Stillers would take him , instead they got the okie light duo of Washington and Rudolph smh.. AFC North really is the BIG 12

 

 

here's to hoping that they get Poona in the 5th

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Congrats to Malik. I was really hoping to get him on the LA Rams, where he would fit perfectly. Instead he is drafted 10 spots ahead of the Ram's first pick.

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Haha I was wondering who was going to get that when I saw the article. Didn't realize it was Malik

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On 4/28/2018 at 4:57 AM, Rex Kramer said:

Agreed on injuries but he was never very good in college. He wasn’t even as good as Malik. 

This is an extraordinarily bad take. The only question about Hicks was his health. Quit while you're behind. 

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On 4/27/2018 at 10:32 PM, The University said:

congrats malik. have fun kicking ass in cincinnati!

And stay away from Pacman.....especially when he's headed to the scrip club.

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6 hours ago, Needs More Bourbon said:

This is an extraordinarily bad take. The only question about Hicks was his health. Quit while you're behind. 

Jordan was never “very good” in college. I’m sorry so many of you have bad memories, and my calling attention to it pisses you off. 

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7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Jordan was never “very good” in college. I’m sorry so many of you have bad memories, and my calling attention to it pisses you off. 

He was very good his senior year.

 https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/texas/2014.html#defense_and_fumbles::none

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2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

2nd team All Conference for his hype was not “very good”. Again, he wasn’t as good as Malik at the end. 

Now we're qualifying it.

Cool.

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7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Now we're qualifying it.

Cool.

We can’t all provide team defense links to sportsreference.com

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2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

We can’t all provide team defense links to sportsreference.com

Well, it shows he had a very good senior year, just not a Rex Kramer expectations senior year. 

BTW, his stats are just below the team stats. The link will take you there if you have a little patience.

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Well, it shows he had a very good senior year, just not a Rex Kramer expectations senior year. 

It shows he had a year sufficient for the purposes of David Dennison believing he can win an argument. 

It also shows he had less solo tackles and sacks than Steve Edmond. 

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I somewhat agree with Rex. For being top 10, 5-Star players, Hicks and Jefferson underachieved at UT. Yes, their last seasons were good, but they should have been great for at least 2 years (yes, I know Hicks had injuries). Had Jefferson been great for two years, he would have been drafted at the top of the 1st round, because the measureables were there (Hicks also had the measurables). 

 

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1 hour ago, EZ$ said:

I somewhat agree with Rex. For being top 10, 5-Star players, Hicks and Jefferson underachieved at UT. Yes, their last seasons were good, but they should have been great for at least 2 years (yes, I know Hicks had injuries). Had Jefferson been great for two years, he would have been drafted at the top of the 1st round, because the measureables were there (Hicks also had the measurables). 

 

I’m not sure Malik ever would have been drafted top of 1st round because he will never be an edge rusher like Miller. But he would have helped his stock with another season (assuming he stayed healthy). 

I agree with your use of “underachieved” for both players. Jordan Hicks surely wasn’t overrated based on what we’ve seen in hindsight; he just underachieved. 

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On 4/27/2018 at 10:00 PM, naija said:

as a general rule, borderline busts don't get drafted in the 3rd round

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They do as long as Cleveland is in the league.

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2 hours ago, bigup2dahorns said:

 

How much he get paid for that?  Best of luck to Malik.  wished we could have kept him for another year.  I'll be following his career and may it be Derrick Johnson-esque.

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Best of luck to Malik. I figured he would go in the 3rd and thought another year would guarantee him a late 1st round pick. Would have enjoyed seeing him in a Longhorn uniform for one more year.

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I don't know that Malik was ever a 1st round talent. Maybe another good year would've gotten him to the high 2nd round. And when you make a TVM calculation with him getting his 3rd round money a full year ahead of his hypothetical 2019 2nd round payday, the difference in money isn't all that huge. It's also one less year he has to wait for that coveted 2nd contract. Add in the huge injury risk factor that comes with playing football, and I don't know how anyone can fault him or call him an idiot for leaving early. 

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I’m not going to call him an idiot for leaving early, but he could have greatly improved his draft stock with senior tape that showed him being more physical.  Maybe he doesn’t have that in him so it wouldn’t have mattered, but I think he has the physical gifts to improve in that area and would have given the NFL some more helpful film to change the narrative about him.

Derrick Johnson wouldn’t have been a 1st round pick if he left after his junior year and NFL teams were evaluating film of him wrong shouldering blockers all the time and OU scoring 65 on us instead of his senior film when he forced a billion fumbles. I don’t think Malik will be as good as DJ, but I certainly don’t think he maxed out his potential already.

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