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6 hours ago, Brew said:

It’s kind of funny reading through pages of a bunch of middle aged white dudes bagging on the WNBA. I would say at this point with their social media presence and fan engagement, we aren’t their target market. My late teen daughters are all in. They don’t watch any other sports outside of F1, but they both have ESPN+ to watch games, follow numerous players religiously on socials, have travelled specifically for games, had a big watch party for the AllStar game, etc. Neither like Clark for the record, she has zero appeal/engagement for them.

Now is the exact right time for the players to go after more money with expansion, the TV rights contract, valuation increases, etc. Every other sport has done it, so the view around here on the WNBA players making their play for a larger split is a little odd.

Which ones that are beholden to another league, demanded increases in pay?

It ain't fucking magic.  The money has to come from somewhere.  How bout the WNBAers produce it first?  Nah.  Fuck that.  You owe us.

Posted
7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Collier hurt her ankle unfortunately. 

They were up like a billion and never should have still been in the game 

Posted
32 minutes ago, ztejas said:

As far as actual basketball goes - sheesh.

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Didn't realize Minny is 24-5. They whippin that ass. Collier hurt her ankle unfortunately. 

In Vegas at that.   I had to triple check that score when I saw it LOL

Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Iceman said:

Which ones that are beholden to another league, demanded increases in pay?

It ain't fucking magic.  The money has to come from somewhere.  How bout the WNBAers produce it first?  Nah.  Fuck that.  You owe us.

Would you call the new TV deal and the increased attendance numbers “producing it first” or not? That’s without getting into the valuation increases and the expansion fees.

Someone paid the bills for every league for a long time. Look into the NBA numbers for the first half of its existence. 

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Posted
4 hours ago, ztejas said:

Sorry your daughters are lame. 

The social media engagement by a number of other players is what’s bringing them and their friends to the games. They were all in on the Studbudz All Star streaming. We were moving the oldest back into college this week and she had her college friends that were with us watching Min/NY at supper Wed night. For them, it’s about engagement not what appeals to you or me and that’s one thing the players have gotten right the last few years.

42 minutes ago, Iceman said:

They hate the very agent of that increase.  Lmao

Still comes down to what is sustainable. 

Sustainability will be interesting, might be a good time to get a bigger piece of the pie while it’s there.

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Posted
27 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Yeah because you see they are the people who would be paid.

They are being paid, by a league that is insolvent.

Posted (edited)
19 minutes ago, Iceman said:

They are being paid, by a league that is insolvent.

The league is not “insolvent”. Insolvency is s financial state wherein a business cannot pay its obligations.
They league operates at a loss. Profit and loss are accounting concepts related to the relationship of revenue and costs, which are often merely operational choices. 
Either way, what business is that of yours? They aren’t your employees.

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40 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The league is not “insolvent”. Insolvency is s financial state wherein a business cannot pay its obligations.
They league operates at a loss. Profit and loss are accounting concepts related to the relationship of revenue and costs, which are often merely operational choices. 

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16 hours ago, Brew said:

It’s kind of funny reading through pages of a bunch of middle aged white dudes bagging on the WNBA. I would say at this point with their social media presence and fan engagement, we aren’t their target market. My late teen daughters are all in. They don’t watch any other sports outside of F1, but they both have ESPN+ to watch games, follow numerous players religiously on socials, have travelled specifically for games, had a big watch party for the AllStar game, etc. Neither like Clark for the record, she has zero appeal/engagement for them.

Now is the exact right time for the players to go after more money with expansion, the TV rights contract, valuation increases, etc. Every other sport has done it, so the view around here on the WNBA players making their play for a larger split is a little odd.

I want their pay to get higher. I also want the NBA to open the books to show the actual money they have spent. This needs to be done independently (Yes I know pigs will fly first) to see some of the “creative” accounting taking place.

With the 200 million dollar media rights infusion they should get a much higher starting pay. I would say abpve at least 150k. for rookies. The ceiling needs to go much higher for the league superstars. The split needs to be 50/50. I am never on the side of owners, but when I see athletes asking for money that has not ever been there except through the NBA I am just not as understanding. The new media payments though have to result in much higher pay though. I want to see Clark, Bueckers, Collier,Ionescu, Stewart and others make bank for their play on the court and not just endorsements.

Posted
3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

What was player pay like during that time?  

I touched on this in an earlier post in this thread, but I cant get it to embed, so I'll copy it...

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Is she going to pretend that WNBA salaries haven't increased since 1997? A quick google search shows that the average salary has increased from $28K in the first year to $125K in 2025, so I'm not sure what her point is with that comment. Another interesting data point is that google tells me the NBA first turned a profit in 1971. In 1970 the average NBA salary (35K) was 4X the average salary for the US worker. In 2025 the average WNBA salary is $125K which is about 2X the average US salary. BUT the men were playing 82 games a season and the women are only playing half of that. those extra 40+ games translates into more revenue. Its likely they are gonna have to up the workload. I don't know if that is a sticking point for them or not. Do the networks want 2X the inventory? 

Everyone knows the women are going to get a raise with the next CBA agreement, the only question is how much. The shirts are simply a ploy to get attention and try and win the public favor on their side. Because we all know a raise is coming, and nobody has any clue about the league financials( how much is lost, if any, AND who is actually losing the money) its near impossible to know if the players are too far out over their skis in negotiations. As far as I can tell neither side has leaked specific data points, only that they aren't close. I'm in it for the trainwreck at this point, so I can only hope they choose to strike, just for the lulz. But eventually all the leverage is with the owners(it always is), so a deal will get done before the players starve to death. 

 

Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The league is not “insolvent”. Insolvency is s financial state wherein a business cannot pay its obligations.
They league operates at a loss. Profit and loss are accounting concepts related to the relationship of revenue and costs, which are often merely operational choices. 
Either way, what business is that of yours? They aren’t your employees.

LOLz Pedantic AF.

It isn't my choice, but it's a fucking message board, right?  It isn't your choice either.

The math doesn't support the raise.  They are not "owed" more than the market will bear.

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Posted
5 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

I want their pay to get higher. I also want the NBA to open the books to show the actual money they have spent. This needs to be done independently (Yes I know pigs will fly first) to see some of the “creative” accounting taking place.

With the 200 million dollar media rights infusion they should get a much higher starting pay. I would say abpve at least 150k. for rookies. The ceiling needs to go much higher for the league superstars. The split needs to be 50/50. I am never on the side of owners, but when I see athletes asking for money that has not ever been there except through the NBA I am just not as understanding. The new media payments though have to result in much higher pay though. I want to see Clark, Bueckers, Collier,Ionescu, Stewart and others make bank for their play on the court and not just endorsements.

Why does the NBA need to open their books for anything? What other sport has done that in a player pay debate? The people that see the numbers are paying significantly more for existing franchises and new ones, so that should tell you quite a bit about what the real numbers look like. The NY Liberty valuation was $450m for a team with less than $1.5M in player payroll. That math doesn’t work for the lower pay argument.

The reaction to the WNBA players looking for more money (again on the back of a new media rights contract, valuation increases, expansion, attendance increases, etc) seems odd compared to other sports. I’m sure the owners are happy to know that for the first time ever the fans are worried about their pocket books while their investment value continue to multiply.

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