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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

No pressure on that play. Just threw it a bit early and behind.

 

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He saw it and wanted to throw it before helm got to the first defender. Looks like helm thought he’d cross that defender and then look for it- like the play where he basically took the ball from Bryce Anderson later in the game. 

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3 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

A do fuckin what? This is a highly regarded 5th post. Well done sir. 

 

2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

This is brave. A lot more truth in this post, than people want to admit. I disagree on the ceiling. His arm talent is legit. He is not playing anywhere near his talent level. His 68.1 grade by PFF is evidence of that. 71.4 QBR is another legitimate indicator of mediocre overall performance. He is wildly inconsistent. Struggles with pressure and deep balls. Fact that people get excited when he hits one every couple games attests to that. This is a defensive team and an OL team. Texas just needs him to make veteran decisions and not be a liability from here out. Hopefully, he finds his groove for the playoffs.

 

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

I think we would have to see a historic meltdown from Quinn in order for that to happen. 

So basically the first half of the Georgia game. 

I guess the point I was trying to make is that, while Quinn has been nowhere near a bust, he hasn't quite lived to up to the expectations everyone had of him. I don't know how anyone could look at the way he moves in the pocket and not think he's just a little head fucked right now. He's clearly been good enough to win us (almost) every game the last 2 seasons which I'm not ignoring and has looked unquestionably elite at times ie Bama and OkSt last year. 

I just don't think the QE in the current moment gives us the best chance to win the next 4-5 games with the limitations he has. Most things he does well (RPO, single read, short passing game) are things that most D1 QBs do well and things that Arch is absolutely capable of doing and Arch gives you so much more in the run game and hopefully down the field. You know Sark is asking him to do more when he's forcing a shit-ton of balls that he wasn't forcing earlier in the season. There's a huge amount of pressure on him, they made a fucking Dr Pepper commercial about his backup breathing down his neck, and Sark already started working Arch in arguably the most important game of the season which is honestly surprising. Best case scenario IMO, Quinn and Arch split time getting limited roles doing what they do best which limits the QE gaffes, gives opponents more to prep for, Sark gets to keep his QB track record and give Arch dev time and hype going into next season 

ESPN has us #1 in FPI with 23% chance to win the whole thing in the first year in the SEC with a good schedule and stacked roster. It's a MASSIVE opportunity for the optics of the program and the stars don't align like this every year. I just hope we do play the best QB and aren't married to the idea of this being "Quinn's team"

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

That's because Quinn threw a pick 6. We basically had the ball on offense for 10 straight game minutes, both drives ending with a turnover. 

 

Great point. Ten minutes, two long drives, ZERO pts due to Quinn turnovers. Wait, add the 7 the Ags scored.

Let's say for argument's sake that that pass that Quinn threw right before Arch's TD run had been intercepted... that one of those three idiot Aggies battling for a ball that should never have been thrown actually manages to hold onto it... Take 7 Texas points off the board. Let's say that on Blue's amazing catch at the back pylon the ball had been thrown four inches to the right and hit the defender in the back... or that Blue had stepped one inch further and the catch was denied... Take another 7 off the board, maybe add 3 for a FG. If everything else stayed the same, we lose that game 7-6. 

Against a team that was pretty fucking mediocre. I know, "game of inches" blah blah blah. When you're constantly flirting with disaster, it doesn't take much to turn a win into a loss - a giant loss. We shoulda beat those motherfuckers 35-7, or even 45-0. This team is hitting on 5 cylinders with Quinn in the game. Sark's play calling, for whatever reason, is "Some gas, tap the brakes." Sark needs a healthy dose of killer instinct. No more Mr. Nice Guy. Give Quinn one more big mental/physical mistake then pull the plug.

Sark, find a formula where our offense moves up and down the field at will, and this D comes in for three to six plays every eight minutes or so, and we will be unstoppable.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

Easy solution. Let Ewers play in the 1H, then bring in Arch for the 2H.

When Arch came in for his first run, nobody on their D was expecting it, and the outcome couldn't have been any better. After that, however, it seems the only time they put Arch in was to run the ball, and it didn't go well at all. If you're gonna do that, you might as well put a running back in there to replace Quinn.

The last thing I'm worried about is a QB Controversy. It's do or die time. Hell, alternate them from possession to possession. That gives each some quality time on the sideline to process the drive he just led.

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10 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

When Arch came in for his first run, nobody on their D was expecting it, and the outcome couldn't have been any better. After that, however, it seems the only time they put Arch in was to run the ball, and it didn't go well at all. If you're gonna do that, you might as well put a running back in there to replace Quinn.

The last thing I'm worried about is a QB Controversy. It's do or die time. Hell, alternate them from possession to possession. That gives each some quality time on the sideline to process the drive he just led.

I would bet Arch throws it very soon.

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4 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

When Arch came in for his first run, nobody on their D was expecting it, and the outcome couldn't have been any better. After that, however, it seems the only time they put Arch in was to run the ball, and it didn't go well at all. If you're gonna do that, you might as well put a running back in there to replace Quinn.

The last thing I'm worried about is a QB Controversy. It's do or die time. Hell, alternate them from possession to possession. That gives each some quality time on the sideline to process the drive he just led.

Is your point that we should leave QE in for these situations, or use an RB.  I can't tell.

Arch plays special teams too.  Ya know what that means?

 

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On 11/30/2024 at 7:09 PM, C-Man said:


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Yeah, I don't understand how it works or why it works, but I was impressed with Quinn's mobility and the confidence he had. Given the 9.95 rumblings about how his sprain hadn't been healing as quickly as we had hoped, we probably should give a healthy serving of credit to the equipment team and the people who helped him regain a significant amount his athleticism compared to how he looked in that second half vs. Kentucky.

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1 minute ago, CurlyDumps said:

New aggy coping mechanism: investigation into this suspiciously effective, fancy lookin' tu ankle brace. Was it against the rules???

We don't take kindly to technology 'round these parts.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

No pressure on that play. Just threw it a bit early and behind.

 

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13 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

where is the safety on that play?

Ready to blow Helm up if QE waits another second to throw that. QE read that perfectly, the LB covering Helm was covering for the LB that blitzed on Helms side. He's having to come across the entire formation and there's no way for him to get there in time. If Helm would have read his guy blitzing and realized he was the hot read that's a first down and a big play if he can make Anderson miss.

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30 minutes ago, CoTex said:

Is your point that we should leave QE in for these situations, or use an RB.  I can't tell.

Arch plays special teams too.  Ya know what that means?

 

What I'm really suggesting is that if Sark wants to put Arch in only in critical or special? situations - which is kind of weird if you think about it - then he needs to let Manning throw the ball, probably half the time.

re STeams, I'd give any fake FG that Manning is a part of about an 80% chance of working. The guy makes things happen.

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30 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

 

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Yeah, I don't understand how it works or why it works, but I was impressed with Quinn's mobility and the confidence he had. Given the 9.95 rumblings about how his sprain hadn't been healing as quickly as we had hoped, we probably should give a healthy serving of credit to the equipment team and the people who helped him regain a significant amount his athleticism compared to how he looked in that second half vs. Kentucky.

Shouldn't that thing be illegal to play with? He looked slow all year and suddenly he's outrunning our defense with that "brace" on. -aggy, probably

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Posted
2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

No pressure on that play. Just threw it a bit early and behind.

 

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Good point. Ewers is not under any pressure at all. Safety is gone. Give Helm another half second to look up and you've got a 88 yard TD pass, assuming Evers doesn't throw the ball three yards away from the receiver, which is what he did here.

 

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9 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

What I'm really suggesting is that if Sark wants to put Arch in only in critical or special? situations - which is kind of weird if you think about it - then he needs to let Manning throw the ball, probably half the time.

re STeams, I'd give any fake FG that Manning is a part of about an 80% chance of working. The guy makes things happen.

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This board is going to be a super fun place the next couple years. Arch is already bill brasky. He better go 42-0 the way you guys are sucking his dick lol. 

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Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, hook me said:

 

Ready to blow Helm up if QE waits another second to throw that. QE read that perfectly, the LB covering Helm was covering for the LB that blitzed on Helms side. He's having to come across the entire formation and there's no way for him to get there in time. If Helm would have read his guy blitzing and realized he was the hot read that's a first down and a big play if he can make Anderson miss.

Its Cover 3 and Gunnar will get hit. Quinn saw 7 defenders on the OL and assumed the jailbreak blitz (2 backed out and it was picked up). He threw it early and behind. Not catching if he turns he his head sooner anyway. He turns his head 4-5 yards within the LOS. There is timing on these plays. Bond is the hot route running to stop on the  outside. Sark grabs Quinn and has a conversation right after the play

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Its Cover 3 and Gunnar will get hit. Quinn saw 7 defenders on the OL and assumed the jailbreak blitz (2 backed out and it was picked up). He threw it early and behind. Not catching if he turns he his head sooner anyway. He turns his head 4-5 yards within the LOS. There is timing on these plays. Sark grabs Quinn and has a conversation right after the play

This is point guard Ewers.  When it works, it looks great otherwise WTH.  He’s anticipating Helms move but Helm is not anticipating his.  He’s likely going off script because he knows Helm catches it and gets upfield for the 1st.  I think he’s right except Helm isn’t on that off-script play.

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3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Its Cover 3. Quinn saw 7 defenders on the OL and assumed the jailbreak blitz (2 backed out and it was picked up). He threw it early and behind. Not catching if he turns he his head sooner anyway. He turns his head 4-5 yards of the LOS. There is timing on these plays. Sark grabs Quinn and has a conversation right after the play

If that's cover 3 they do a really shitty job at running it because all the defenders are locked up on their man & turning and running with them instead of covering their zones. One LB blitzes, one races to cover Helm, one stays to check the RB. If he reads the blitz then he doesn't run his route full speed but is instead looking at Quinn throw it to him. Looks like a great read to me & the 1/2 second you see of Sark talking to Quinn means shit unless you know what he said. For all you know he was telling him good read or telling him he missed the 1st down read or keep your head up or any number of things

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Just now, Had Enough said:

This is point guard Ewers.  When it works, it looks great otherwise WTH.  He’s anticipating Helms move but Helm is not anticipating his.  He’s likely going off script because he knows Helm catches it and gets upfield for the 1st.  I think he’s right except Helm isn’t on that off-script play.

Bond is the hot route, running the stop vs cover 3.

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4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Bond is the hot route, running the stop vs cover 3.

Bond ran a 12 yard curl. That's hardly a hot route vs a blitz and, as you can tell on replay, Bonds man had turned his back and was running with him. Either they ran a shitty cover 3 where everyone looked like they were in man with a single high safety or they were in man and blitzed.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Bond is the hot route, running the stop vs cover 3.

I’m not talking about a designated hot route but more of a head nod to Helm to say it’s coming your way.  In the end, they weren’t on the same page whatever the reason may be.

itd be great to hear a specific discussion on the play.

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24 minutes ago, hook me said:

If that's cover 3 they do a really shitty job at running it because all the defenders are locked up on their man & turning and running with them instead of covering their zones. One LB blitzes, one races to cover Helm, one stays to check the RB. If he reads the blitz then he doesn't run his route full speed but is instead looking at Quinn throw it to him. Looks like a great read to me & the 1/2 second you see of Sark talking to Quinn means shit unless you know what he said. For all you know he was telling him good read or telling him he missed the 1st down read or keep your head up or any number of things

I am assuming he is racing zone. Sees Helm and runs underneath, exactly what you are supposed to do. Would be odd to have him man Helm from 5 yards inside (he is on the LOS in the A gap at the snap). Single High Safety.

15 minutes ago, hook me said:

Bond ran a 12 yard curl. That's hardly a hot route vs a blitz and, as you can tell on replay, Bonds man had turned his back and was running with him. Either they ran a shitty cover 3 where everyone looked like they were in man with a single high safety or they were in man and blitzed.

its 8., He breaks off right at the first down marker. None of it matters as the ball is thrown behind Helm

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1 hour ago, hook me said:

If that's cover 3 they do a really shitty job at running it because all the defenders are locked up on their man & turning and running with them instead of covering their zones. One LB blitzes, one races to cover Helm, one stays to check the RB. If he reads the blitz then he doesn't run his route full speed but is instead looking at Quinn throw it to him. Looks like a great read to me & the 1/2 second you see of Sark talking to Quinn means shit unless you know what he said. For all you know he was telling him good read or telling him he missed the 1st down read or keep your head up or any number of things

If I have learned anything it's that the guy you're arguing with KNOWS for sure his posts are right. Hell, he even knew sark pulled quinn aside to tell him he fucked up, weird that he was in the headset with them but whatever. I don't think they were running a zone either. It is what it is though. 

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3 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

If I have learned anything it's that the guy you're arguing with KNOWS for sure his posts are right. Hell, he even knew sark pulled quinn aside to tell him he fucked up, weird that he was in the headset with them but whatever. I don't think they were running a zone either. It is what it is though. 

At least some of these guys can admit they're wrong when they are....you and the others cannot simply admit that at all.

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6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

At least some of these guys can admit they're wrong when they are....you and the others cannot simply admit that at all.

Who admits their wrong in this thread? you wrote giga chad, your opinion fuckin sucks. you're also wrong. I have said multiple times that quinn has issues and just needs to be average for us to win. I said we would beat Arkansas, kentucky, and aggy with quinn. I told you to quit being a bitch and worrying about aggy. How is any of that wrong? Quinn is who he is, and that is taking us to another college football playoff. 

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4 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Who admits their wrong in this thread? you wrote giga chad, your opinion fuckin sucks. you're also wrong. I have said multiple times that quinn has issues and just needs to be average for us to win. I said we would beat Arkansas, kentucky, and aggy with quinn. I told you to quit being a bitch and worrying about aggy. How is any of that wrong? Quinn is who he is, and that is taking us to another college football playoff. 

Multiple people critical of Quinn have admitted they were wrong on some occasions with analysis of him.....yet when they put forth criticisms with correct analysis you or ThatGuy can never do the same. You move goal post, provide strawmen, and shift blame every time. 

We will see what Quinn we get vs Georgia and I hope it's not what we had last time we played Georgia. 

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23 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

If I have learned anything it's that the guy you're arguing with KNOWS for sure his posts are right. Hell, he even knew sark pulled quinn aside to tell him he fucked up, weird that he was in the headset with them but whatever. I don't think they were running a zone either. It is what it is though. 

That is just my guess. I can not see the other side of the field. You have a single high safety (that is obvious). Both LBs bluff and drop (obvious). You can see the other backer jogging around aimlessly at about 5-7 yards on his drop.  I can not imagine a coach asking a LB to Bluff A gap blitz and cover the TE man. Any out-breaking route and he is just cooked, 0 chance he can cover that. So I assume he going to his drop and does a good job identifying the threat and busts his ass to get under the route (that is what you are supposed to do, dropping to a fixed spot should end after Pop Warner). The CB is giving ~7 yard cushion to the WR, which would make sense if he has deep 1/3 responsibilities.

 

As far as Sark, that was on the TV screen and you can see on the Texas clips video of the game. No idea what Sark said, but coaches generally dont talk to you after a failed play to say they like your haircut. Best guess was he just said settle down and dont anticipate the the pressure, but it could have been the haircut thing.

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9 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

That is just my guess. I can not see the other side of the field. You have a single high safety (that is obvious). Both LBs bluff and drop (obvious). You can see the other backer jogging around aimlessly at about 5-7 yards on his drop.  I can not imagine a coach asking a LB to Bluff A gap blitz and cover the TE man. Any out-breaking route and he is just cooked, 0 chance he can cover that. So I assume he going to his drop and does a good job identifying the threat and busts his ass to get under the route. The CB is giving ~7 yard cushion to the WR.

 

As far as Sark, that was on the TV screen and you can see on the Texas clips video of the game. No idea what Sark said, but coaches generally dont talk to you after a failed play to say they like your haircut. Best guess was he just said settle down and dont anticipate the the pressure, but it could have been the haircut thing.

I want to say it was soft man free on that play with 1 high safety. Anderson was the lone deep safety on that play. 

 

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IMO Quinn was correct to get it out early given this is what it looked like early. Gunnar should be looking for ball and Quinn should be throwing it on him right here which he does but it's thrown a little behind and Gunnar doesn't see it.

 

Kind of an exotic blitz using the linebacker to come cover the tight slot on short side of the field. I guess they watched film and decided to go blitz on tight side. Watching the corners/nickel footwork shows their man'd up

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8 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

That is just my guess. I can not see the other side of the field. You have a single high safety (that is obvious). Both LBs bluff and drop (obvious). You can see the other backer jogging around aimlessly at about 5-7 yards on his drop.  I can not imagine a coach asking a LB to Bluff A gap blitz and cover the TE man. Any out-breaking route and he is just cooked, 0 chance he can cover that. So I assume he going to his drop and does a good job identifying the threat and busts his ass to get under the route. The CB is giving ~7 yard cushion to the WR.

 

As far as Sark, that was on the TV screen and you can see on the Texas clips video of the game. No idea what Sark said, but coaches generally dont talk to you after a failed play to say they like your haircut. Best guess was he just said settle down and dont anticipate the the pressure, but it could have been the haircut thing.

Lol wut. It was a shitty play by aggy that was suppose to be man. Sark could have said “what did you see there” or “why didn’t Gunnar look for the ball” or “codaxx is gonna bitch about this play later”. You made it sound like for sure it was Quinn’s fault and sark wanted to tell him that. 

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Just now, WinningIsHard said:

Lol wut. It was a shitty play by aggy that was suppose to be man. Sark could have said “what did you see there” or “why didn’t Gunnar look for the ball” or “codaxx is gonna bitch about this play later”. You made it sound like for sure it was Quinn’s fault and sark wanted to tell him that. 

To be fair it was a bad throw but Gunnar also wasn’t paying attention as quickly as he should have. 

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17 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I want to say it was soft man free on that play with 1 high safety. Anderson was the lone deep safety on that play. 

 

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IMO Quinn was correct to get it out early given this is what it looked like early. Gunnar should be looking for ball and Quinn should be throwing it on him right here which he does but it's thrown a little behind and Gunnar doesn't see it.

 

Kind of an exotic blitz using the linebacker to come cover the tight slot on short side of the field. I guess they watched film and decided to go blitz on tight side. Watching the corners/nickel footwork shows their man'd up

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You cant see what the Nickel is doing. He could be in zone. For all we know they have a split field coverage, so I would never say it is 100% this (especially with a pass thrown so quickly).  Again asking a LB mugged up in the opposite A gap to cover a TE is one hell of a tough assignment. That is just unsound. He runs a quick out, Bond runs the CB off, and it is nice explosive play.  I cant imagine Todd Orlando doing something that stupid, let alone Elko. He has multiple players in better position to man up the TE,

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

To be fair it was a bad throw but Gunnar also wasn’t paying attention as quickly as he should have. 

I’ll give you that but bad throw in the sense that it could have been better. Not bad throw as in it was uncatchable and if Quinn (or any qb, on any team, ever) puts the ball near you…catch the ball. Bond had the same head scratching play right before the blocked punt. Quinn has some glaring holes but we can and will continue to win with him. 

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Just now, Codaxx said:

You cant see what the Nickel is doing. He could be in zone. For all we know they have a split field coverage, so I would never say it is 100% this (especially with a pass throw so quickly).  Again asking a LB mugged up in the opposite A gap to cover a TE is one hell of a tough assignment. That is just unsound. He runs a quick out, Bond runs the CB off, and it is nice explosive play. Possible, but I cant imagine Elko doing something like that. He has multiple players in better position to man up the TE,

I’m not guessing. I’m telling you it was man. They tried to get exotic with their blitz/coverage on the tight end with bringing number 3. On snap all their coverage guys except Anderson square up on the receivers. Anderson is the safety valve for Helm if their linebacker can’t get there. If he’s paying attention and Quinn throws a better ball it comes down to 1 on 1 with Anderson and a long long gain. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

I’m not guessing. I’m telling you it was man. They tried to get exotic with their blitz/coverage on the tight end with bringing number 3. On snap all their coverage guys except Anderson square up on the receivers. Anderson is the safety valve for Helm if their linebacker can’t get there. If he’s paying attention and Quinn throws a better ball it comes down to 1 on 1 with Anderson and a long long gain. 

You see what I was saying earlier now lol. Great poster but he’s right, doesn’t matter what you say. 

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2 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

I’ll give you that but bad throw in the sense that it could have been better. Not bad throw as in it was uncatchable and if Quinn (or any qb, on any team, ever) puts the ball near you…catch the ball. Bond had the same head scratching play right before the blocked punt. Quinn has some glaring holes but we can and will continue to win with him. 

It’s pretty uncatchable honestly. It’s thrown behind Gunnar who is streaking up field. He’d have to stop and do an amazing contortion to make that catch on a ball that’s coming fast . If he pays attention and Quinn puts it on him then it’s a first down or much larger gain if he can make Anderson miss or run through him. 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

I am assuming he is racing zone. Sees Helm and runs underneath, exactly what you are supposed to do. Would be odd to have him man Helm from 5 yards inside (he is on the LOS in the A gap at the snap). Single High Safety.

its 8., He breaks off right at the first down marker. None of it matters as the ball is thrown behind Helm

It's something like this that tells me you either saw the play once and haven't watched it again to check your initial diagnosis, or you have seen it and are just digging in your heels while knowing you're wrong. LOS is the 12, first down is the 20, Bond turn at the 24-1/2.

All DBs are turned to cover their WR, one LB blitzes, one LB races to cover Helm, one LB sticks around the LOS to cover the RB. Bond is 12+ yards down the field & QE never once even acts like he's supposed to be the hot route. He looks immediately to Helm who either doesn't diagnose it as quickly so he wasn't ready for it or was suppose to stop because he was the hot read and his guy blitzed. Maybe it was an off script split decision for him to throw it that soon and QE was hoping Gunnar would turn a beat sooner to be able to adjust to it because if QE leads him he gets blown up by the S or the S makes a good break on the ball and knocks it down or picks it off. 

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2 minutes ago, hook me said:

It's something like this that tells me you either saw the play once and haven't watched it again to check your initial diagnosis, or you have seen it and are just digging in your heels while knowing you're wrong. LOS is the 12, first down is the 20, Bond turn at the 24-1/2.

All DBs are turned to cover their WR, one LB blitzes, one LB races to cover Helm, one LB sticks around the LOS to cover the RB. Bond is 12+ yards down the field & QE never once even acts like he's supposed to be the hot route. He looks immediately to Helm who either doesn't diagnose it as quickly so he wasn't ready for it or was suppose to stop because he was the hot read and his guy blitzed. Maybe it was an off script split decision for him to throw it that soon and QE was hoping Gunnar would turn a beat sooner to be able to adjust to it because if QE leads him he gets blown up by the S or the S makes a good break on the ball and knocks it down or picks it off. 

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If helm turns when he’s suppose to that’s a catch even with the ball thrown the way it is. I’m not sure why he wouldn’t see that much open field and not turn to look at Quinn. I like helm a lot though so it is what it is. He is a big part of why we are 11-1. 

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2 minutes ago, hook me said:

It's something like this that tells me you either saw the play once and haven't watched it again to check your initial diagnosis, or you have seen it and are just digging in your heels while knowing you're wrong. LOS is the 12, first down is the 20, Bond turn at the 24-1/2.

All DBs are turned to cover their WR, one LB blitzes, one LB races to cover Helm, one LB sticks around the LOS to cover the RB. Bond is 12+ yards down the field & QE never once even acts like he's supposed to be the hot route. He looks immediately to Helm who either doesn't diagnose it as quickly so he wasn't ready for it or was suppose to stop because he was the hot read and his guy blitzed. Maybe it was an off script split decision for him to throw it that soon and QE was hoping Gunnar would turn a beat sooner to be able to adjust to it because if QE leads him he gets blown up by the S or the S makes a good break on the ball and knocks it down or picks it off. 

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I thought bond broke it off at the sticks. That is my bad. I saw both LBs dropping. I assumed to the Hook/Curl, but yes he could just be on the RB. I assumed that would be a green dog situation and would fire with the RB blocking (though that might have happened in another second)

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3 hours ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

What I'm really suggesting is that if Sark wants to put Arch in only in critical or special? situations - which is kind of weird if you think about it - then he needs to let Manning throw the ball, probably half the time.

Long game. He got some stuff on the tape. He’ll do something different for Georgia. 

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50 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

If helm turns when he’s suppose to that’s a catch even with the ball thrown the way it is. I’m not sure why he wouldn’t see that much open field and not turn to look at Quinn. I like helm a lot though so it is what it is. He is a big part of why we are 11-1. 

So were you a TE or what Mr. College Football?  I’m genuinely asking with a hint of smartass.

Using the UF TD as an example, I’m not sure he got his head around as quickly on that TD as the ball was released this time. I’d venture to say that ball was out quicker than you typically see.

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33 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

So were you a TE or what Mr. College Football?  I’m genuinely asking with a hint of smartass.

Using the UF TD as an example, I’m not sure he got his head around as quickly on that TD as the ball was released this time. I’d venture to say that ball was out quicker than you typically see.

I actually did spend time as a TE at Mary Hardin Baylor, which is light years away from how good Gunnar helm is haha. When he started his route he immediately saw Anderson deep and nobody else close…that should have caused him to at least check with Quinn earlier in his route. 3rd and 7 with 7 people on the line of scrimmage. I could be way off based but a guy as good as helm should pick up on little moments like that and use them to hurt the defense. 

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