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On 5/9/2025 at 3:44 PM, Derka said:

vince young maxed out at around 74 yards, but sure, 14 year old quinn was throwing 80+. anybody who believes that has probably sent money to multiple nigerian princes.

 

On 5/9/2025 at 5:37 PM, AnotherLawyer said:

It's stuff like this that really makes it difficult to engage you civilly. There's easy-to-find video out there of Ewers doing these things, but you decided to insult people instead of fact-checking yourself.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i said that you’re a moron if you believe that QE was throwing 80+ in middle school, and this was the response i got which led to the debate. there’s “easy to find video of quinn doing these things”. except that no there isn’t, because he wasn’t throwing 80+ in middle school, as his agent said he was. that’s been the argument for the last 3-4 pages. not sure how you and thatguy missed it. 

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1 hour ago, Nivek said:

you failed to do that from the outset by misrepresenting what was stated and by whom.  

the hell are you even talking about? his agent said that he was throwing 80+ in middle school, and i said that was bullshit. what part of that has been misrepresented in any way?

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so now that’s you, thatguy, and hank hill, all talking shit while being completely clueless as to what’s even being discussed in this thread, all within a couple of hours. way to go guys- you’re really doing the rest of the cult proud. way to represent. ✊🏼

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15 minutes ago, Derka said:

@AnotherLawyer talked a whole bunch of shit to me about how there was easy to find video of it, dumbass. several others then hopped on ghat train and have been arguing with me about it ever since then. i haven’t been arguing with myself for three pages. 

thatguy somehow has no idea where this “80 yards in middle school” talk came from, and you’ve somehow read the last 3-4 pages yet missed every single shit-talking reply to me (replete with tangential videos of HS aged quinn throwing 70 as “proof” that he really did throw 80+ in middle school) insisting that the mythology is true. can i interest either of you in a Hooked On Phonics subscription, or would you rather just keep talking shit while being clueless?

He literally responded to you saying he was 16 years old in regards to the video. Again, nobody believes he did this in middle school as you claim. You’re projecting your illiteracy. 

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11 minutes ago, Derka said:

the hell are you even talking about? his agent said that he was throwing 80+ in middle school, and i said that was bullshit. what part of that has been misrepresented in any way?

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so now that’s you, thatguy, and hank hill, all talking shit while being completely clueless as to what’s even being discussed in this thread, all within a couple of hours. way to go guys- you’re really doing the rest of the cult proud. way to represent. ✊🏼

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tough look for you. 

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4 minutes ago, Derka said:

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i said that you’re a moron if you believe that QE was throwing 80+ in middle school, and this was the response i got which led to the debate. there’s “easy to find video of quinn doing these things”. except that no there isn’t, because he wasn’t throwing 80+ in middle school, as his agent said he was. that’s been the argument for the last 3-4 pages. not sure how you and thatguy missed it. 

That's not what I said. You're clearly not stupid, so I have to conclude it's intentional misrepresentation since you cut out what I actually DID say. And proved yet again my point that this is why it's difficult to have a civil conversation with you. I imagine you actually have reasonable, insightful opinions to post, but Jesusfuck it's bookended by vast quantities of this kind of shit.

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1 hour ago, Nivek said:

 To claim that he was inaccurate and imprecise when he was completing approximately 65% over his 3-year career at Texas.   This is like listening to people tell me Greg Davis was a horrible coordinator when his teams averaged 40 ppg for 10-years, as if it was just luck.   

 

Are you really pretending Quinn was an accurate or precise quarterback? That’s one of the dumbest things posted in this thread.

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Then you read the Greg Davis sentence…. 

I actually agree somewhat about the Greg Davis thing. Good offensive coordinator/QB coach, horrible play caller.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Then you read the Greg Davis sentence…. 

He wasn't wrong. GDGD was a good OC who was held back by Mack Brown and a lack of self-confidence. Our playbook was the size of the Greater Houston Yellow Pages, but he had a small list of about 15 plays taped to the front cover that he would resort to whenever he got nervous, which was all the time. And FUPM wanted so badly to be known as an Xs and Os coach that he would frequently jump on the mic and overrule whatever play was called.

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First time I’ve heard about Mack overturning play calls regularly. Greg Davis was a terrible playcaller without question.

None of that is relevant to the plainly false claim that Quinn was accurate and precise. He absolutely was neither of those things 

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It's relevant to BOW being a know-nothing shitstain. Probably almost half of GD's bad playcalls were FUPM. Colt getting hurt against KSU? "No...run it again."

I can agree Ewers isn't an "accurate QB," but it's disingenuous to say Ewers was an "inaccurate QB." He was shit on the deep ball. He usually had accurate ball placement on intermediate middle routes.

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Just now, AnotherLawyer said:

It's relevant to BOW being a know-nothing shitstain. Probably almost half of GD's bad playcalls were FUPM. Colt getting hurt against KSU? "No...run it again."

You’re so mad Quinn is a mid QB that cost us a natty. 

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22 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I actually agree somewhat about the Greg Davis thing. Good offensive coordinator/QB coach, horrible play caller.

For me, the play calling can override the other.  Didn’t like his play calling.

Then he went to Iowa with a veteran QB who I believe proceeded to have an awful year.

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4 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

For me, the play calling can override the other.  Didn’t like his play calling.

Then he went to Iowa with a veteran QB who I believe proceeded to have an awful year.

And, yet, ol’ Kirk somehow replaced him with an even worse choice lol.

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20 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

It's relevant to BOW being a know-nothing shitstain. Probably almost half of GD's bad playcalls were FUPM. Colt getting hurt against KSU? "No...run it again."

I can agree Ewers isn't an "accurate QB," but it's disingenuous to say Ewers was an "inaccurate QB." He was shit on the deep ball. He usually had accurate ball placement on intermediate middle routes.

If he “isn’t an accurate QB” how is it disingenuous to say the word that means that? 
And he didn’t have accurate placement on those throws as the numbers above point out.

So much parsing of language and excuse making.

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3 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

And, yet, ol’ Kirk somehow replaced him with an even worse choice lol.

I didn’t recall whether it immediately got worse or took some time.

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

If he “isn’t an accurate QB” how is it disingenuous to say that word that means that? 
And he didn’t have accurate placement on those throws as the numbers above point out.

So much parsing of language and excuse making.

I thought we were in agreement that completion percentage wasn’t the same thing as accuracy? Ewers had good ball placement on those routes. Downfield he was horrible after Bama two seasons ago.

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3 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I didn’t recall whether it immediately got worse or took some time.

Oh yeah, I mean Davis wasn’t good at Iowa, but Brian Ferentz was comically bad.  Check this fuckin’ shit out.

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Brian, like his father Kirk Ferentz, is an adherent to complementary football, a theory that believes a poor offense assists an excellent defense and finds advantage in field position rather than points.

 

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3 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

I thought we were in agreement that completion percentage wasn’t the same thing as accuracy? Ewers had good ball placement on those routes. Downfield he was horrible after Bama two seasons ago.

You’d think if his ball placement was good on intermediate throws his completion percentage and on target rates would be better than middling. 

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2 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Oh yeah, I mean Davis wasn’t good at Iowa, but Brian Ferentz was comically bad.  Check this fuckin’ shit out.

 

But Brian is good enough to be Fresnos TE coach.  You inspired me to search.  I recall his last season at Iowa he was much hated.  Terrible, terrible offense.

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Just now, Had Enough said:

But Brian is good enough to be Fresnos TE coach.  You inspired me to search.  I recall his last season at Iowa he was much hated.  Terrible, terrible offense.

I think they averaged single digits or just out of single digits offensive ppg under him 

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5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

You’d think if his ball placement was good on intermediate throws his completion percentage and on target rates would be better than middling. 

64.7% OTR is good. There’s no real statistical difference between mid 60s and low 70s. High 70s to 80+ is otherworldly.

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1 minute ago, AnotherLawyer said:

64.7% OTR is good. There’s no real statistical difference between mid 60s and low 70s. High 70s to 80+ is otherworldly.

It’s 57th percentile in the last 5 years of college football. So pretty much the definition of average.

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13 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Who’s yall? You’re posting in this thread just to complain about it. Not much dumber than that

No no no, I posted a long time ago, back before this thread became... whatever it is now. I was sharing e.g. Kurt Warner's film breakdown of the Vanderbilt game. You know, actual football talk. NOT... whatever this is here.

At this point...

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Although mockery of the current participants is a sign of intelligence, too.

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1 minute ago, Rimbo said:

No no no, I posted a long time ago, back before this thread became... whatever it is now. I was sharing e.g. Kurt Warner's film breakdown of the Vanderbilt game. You know, actual football talk. NOT... whatever this is here.

At this point...

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Although mockery of the current participants is a sign of intelligence, too.

I wasn’t aware that discussion of Quinn’s accuracy was somehow not “actual football talk”. But hey here you are still posting in the thread. Thanks for contributing

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1 hour ago, AnotherLawyer said:

64.7% OTR is good. There’s no real statistical difference between mid 60s and low 70s. High 70s to 80+ is otherworldly.

So when Quinn throws 10-19 yards…

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2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s 57th percentile in the last 5 years of college football. So pretty much the definition of average.

Your completion percentage is going to be lower throwing out of heavy run sets all the time. Less targets on the field equal tighter throwing windows. For an example of this see the jump in Colt McCoy's completion percentage when they made the switch to 4 wide his junior year, and then back down to earth once he got in the pros and running pro sets again. There is no magic elixir.

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5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Your completion percentage is going to be lower throwing out of heavy run sets all the time.

your completion percentage is going to be higher when the majority of your throws are your first read which is right near/behind the LOS, and yet…

it's honestly incredible, your entire posting history of making excuses for every single area where QE lacks. never his fault. always someone else’s fault. fascinating.

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26 minutes ago, Derka said:

your completion percentage is going to be higher when the majority of your throws are your first read which is right near/behind the LOS, and yet…

it's honestly incredible, your entire posting history of making excuses for every single area where QE lacks. never his fault. always someone else’s fault. fascinating.

Okay listen dumb ass. Sometimes you need to leave the conversation to people that understand football.

If you are in 12 personnel. You know double tight ends on the field, and most of the time running some type of play action where one of them stays in to block, you are going to be looking at 3 receivers out in routes vs your opponent dropping 7. Now I know this is hard for you to grasp but 3 receivers vs 7 dropping is more difficult than 5 receivers vs 7 dropping. Why? Because your opponent has the ability to double team all three, vs with 5 3 of them are single covered. PLUS 5 wide makes the defense have to declare their coverage.

That is not an excuse. That is simple football 101. The NFL used to have completion percentages in the 50's back before they realized 3 and 4 receivers was a good idea. Now, there are examples of this in multiple games this year where Sark would open it up for a quarter or two and inexplicably start calling heavy runs sets and grind the offense to a halt. Go look at the second Georgia game. Watch the first quarter and change where Ewers was 11-15 for 169. We were playing fast and pretty open.

Now, since you don't seem to see logic in what I am telling you, explain why Colt's completion percentage jumped from the 60's to the 70's his first two years to his last two years. Then explain why his NFL career percentage was back down to 62%. What did we do differently? I will wait patiently for your answer.

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6 hours ago, Nivek said:

See this type is misrepresentation is very typical of you, it is a strawman fallacy that they teach in intro philosophy class.   I didn't watch the interview with the agent, but it seems maybe it came from there?  @Thatguy thinks that rumor started from one of the videos of him.  And @AnotherLawyer cited him being in HS and having a video out there of a long pass.   I found and linked those.  I also posted them with a healthy sense of skepticism because it is very unclear to me where the ball is landing and there is no context.   Now you have decided that I believe he could throw a football 80 yards when he was 12 or 14 or whatever, so you could try to represent yourself as a reasonable person when really, you failed to do that from the outset by misrepresenting what was stated and by whom.  

The weird thing is that this all started because YOU were making all kinds of absurd claims based on his NFL draft when no one else was talking about it, trying to cite that as evidence and then using your alternate account (my assumption) to keep pushing goalposts every other post.  This other post here seems to indicate this is something weirdly personal to you.   QE is a record holding QB that helped lead Texas to several significant wins, including a playoff victory and statistically he sits up there in the top 10 of Texas QBs.   Nothing you can ever say will change that.  

 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Okay listen dumb ass. Sometimes you need to leave the conversation to people that understand football.

If you are in 12 personnel. You know double tight ends on the field, and most of the time running some type of play action where one of them stays in to block, you are going to be looking at 3 receivers out in routes vs your opponent dropping 7. Now I know this is hard for you to grasp but 3 receivers vs 7 dropping is more difficult than 5 receivers vs 7 dropping. Why? Because your opponent has the ability to double team all three, vs with 5 3 of them are single covered. PLUS 5 wide makes the defense have to declare their coverage.

That is not an excuse. That is simple football 101. The NFL used to have completion percentages in the 50's back before they realized 3 and 4 receivers was a good idea. Now, there are examples of this in multiple games this year where Sark would open it up for a quarter or two and inexplicably start calling heavy runs sets and grind the offense to a halt. Go look at the second Georgia game. Watch the first quarter and change where Ewers was 11-15 for 169. We were playing fast and pretty open.

Now, since you don't seem to see logic in what I am telling you, explain why Colt's completion percentage jumped from the 60's to the 70's his first two years to his last two years. Then explain why his NFL career percentage was back down to 62%. What did we do differently? I will wait patiently for your answer.

Also @Derka in that same game they put up a stat that I will post as a screenshot below. Ewers averaging 14 air yards per to start that game. Again, as I said above this happened repeatedly this season. Our base offense was a lot of 12 personnel out of tight or bunch sets. Our passing offense looked most fluid when we spread out with receivers outside the hashes. However, that is not Sark's offense so we never ran full games like that. But again, you are too filled with hate for the guy to see what is right in front of your face.

 

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Posted (edited)
32 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Okay listen dumb ass

why would i listen to you when a)you’re an asshole, and b)you’ve proven to be the least objective poster in this entire thread which is really saying something)?

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29 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Okay listen dumb ass. Sometimes you need to leave the conversation to people that understand football.

If you are in 12 personnel. You know double tight ends on the field, and most of the time running some type of play action where one of them stays in to block, you are going to be looking at 3 receivers out in routes vs your opponent dropping 7. Now I know this is hard for you to grasp but 3 receivers vs 7 dropping is more difficult than 5 receivers vs 7 dropping. Why? Because your opponent has the ability to double team all three, vs with 5 3 of them are single covered. PLUS 5 wide makes the defense have to declare their coverage.

That is not an excuse. That is simple football 101. The NFL used to have completion percentages in the 50's back before they realized 3 and 4 receivers was a good idea. Now, there are examples of this in multiple games this year where Sark would open it up for a quarter or two and inexplicably start calling heavy runs sets and grind the offense to a halt. Go look at the second Georgia game. Watch the first quarter and change where Ewers was 11-15 for 169. We were playing fast and pretty open.

Now, since you don't seem to see logic in what I am telling you, explain why Colt's completion percentage jumped from the 60's to the 70's his first two years to his last two years. Then explain why his NFL career percentage was back down to 62%. What did we do differently? I will wait patiently for your answer.

tldr 

Colt was good until he went to the browns they suck ass

He would’ve been fine in a legit pro style offense

Quinn is going to need to speed up his reads and get some pocket presence or he’s probably never going to play in the NFL. It’s doable though I’m hoping he gets to sit a couple years at least and learn an offense before he gets thrown out there.

 

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11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

wrong quote

 

 

36 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Okay listen dumb ass. Sometimes you need to leave the conversation to people that understand football.

If you are in 12 personnel. You know double tight ends on the field, and most of the time running some type of play action where one of them stays in to block, you are going to be looking at 3 receivers out in routes vs your opponent dropping 7. Now I know this is hard for you to grasp but 3 receivers vs 7 dropping is more difficult than 5 receivers vs 7 dropping. Why? Because your opponent has the ability to double team all three, vs with 5 3 of them are single covered. PLUS 5 wide makes the defense have to declare their coverage.

That is not an excuse. That is simple football 101. The NFL used to have completion percentages in the 50's back before they realized 3 and 4 receivers was a good idea. Now, there are examples of this in multiple games this year where Sark would open it up for a quarter or two and inexplicably start calling heavy runs sets and grind the offense to a halt. Go look at the second Georgia game. Watch the first quarter and change where Ewers was 11-15 for 169. We were playing fast and pretty open.

Now, since you don't seem to see logic in what I am telling you, explain why Colt's completion percentage jumped from the 60's to the 70's his first two years to his last two years. Then explain why his NFL career percentage was back down to 62%. What did we do differently? I will wait patiently for your answer.

Ok listen, you actually understand football, so that makes you very very smart.

But you're also trying to change Derka's point of view. And that's... not as smart.

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38 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

 

Ok listen, you actually understand football, so that makes you very very smart.

But you're also trying to change Derka's point of view. And that's... not as smart.

yeah, the guy who thinks that quinn ewers is tom brady “knows football”. at this point i’m shocked that he hasn’t been hired by any of the resident $9.95 UT slurper pay sites. as evidenced by this thread, people can’t get enough of thatguy’s “let me break down this film and explain to you why it’s kelvin banks’s fault that quinn ewers overthrew his wr by 10 yards here while also visibly wincing due to a pass rush that was three seconds away from being a threat.” yeah he’s sooooooo reputable. 🙄 

i don’t give a shit if it turns out that thatguy is bill belichick, he’s so undeniably wrong (and stubborn) about quinn ewers that he has zero credibility in this thread. he literally can’t admit that quinn ewers could possibly be responsible for any of Texas’s shortcomings over the last three years. it’s a running joke at this point.

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next season, when first-year-starter arch manning is playing at a level that quinn ewers could never aspire to, i’m going to be very very interested to see thatguy’s takes on him. my gut says that thatguy is so emotionally invested in QE that he’ll spend the entire fall explaining to us why arch isn’t any better than quinn was as he throws for 300 and runs for 80 with 4 total td’s, displaying physical and mental skills that quinn ewers’ agent could only dream of. i really can’t wait to see the latest edition of thatguy’s highly celebrated UT football fan fiction. 

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6 hours ago, Derka said:

yeah, the guy who thinks that quinn ewers is tom brady “knows football”.

Could you please stop this bullshit and argue with the guy in good faith?

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7 hours ago, Derka said:

why would i listen to you when a)you’re an asshole, and b)you’ve proven to be the least objective poster in this entire thread which is really saying something)?

I will not let you dodge the question. You challenged what I said about completion percentages and accuracy. I will not let you dodge the question. In Colt's first two years he was a mid 60's completion percentage passer. His last two years his completion percentage jumped to the 70's. What changed to make that happened and then changed back when he got to the pros? Answer the question.

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7 hours ago, Zeus said:

tldr 

Colt was good until he went to the browns they suck ass

He would’ve been fine in a legit pro style offense

Quinn is going to need to speed up his reads and get some pocket presence or he’s probably never going to play in the NFL. It’s doable though I’m hoping he gets to sit a couple years at least and learn an offense before he gets thrown out there.

 

As I said previously. There was nothing magic about it. The more receivers on the field the easier it is to throw the football. Colt was a regular passer his first two years until we decided to start playing primarily 4 wide receivers. That's when his completion percentage went through the roof. Once he got into the pros and went back to passing out of pro sets his passer rating went back down. It was as simple as that.

About Quinn's reads its the opposite. He goes through his progressions TOO fast. He needs to slow down and not come off reads so early. Probably because he was worried about the pass rush.

 

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7 hours ago, Derka said:

yeah, the guy who thinks that quinn ewers is tom brady “knows football”. at this point i’m shocked that he hasn’t been hired by any of the resident $9.95 UT slurper pay sites. as evidenced by this thread, people can’t get enough of thatguy’s “let me break down this film and explain to you why it’s kelvin banks’s fault that quinn ewers overthrew his wr by 10 yards here while also visibly wincing due to a pass rush that was three seconds away from being a threat.” yeah he’s sooooooo reputable. 🙄 

i don’t give a shit if it turns out that thatguy is bill belichick, he’s so undeniably wrong (and stubborn) about quinn ewers that he has zero credibility in this thread. he literally can’t admit that quinn ewers could possibly be responsible for any of Texas’s shortcomings over the last three years. it’s a running joke at this point.

Lol. Unhinged.

 

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