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1 minute ago, MuellerHorn said:

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Heard was a top-100 recruit as a dual-threat QB. Swoopes started out higher before being re-ranked and reclassified to an athlete. Gilbert was QB3 (after Barkley and Shepard) in his class. Sam outperformed all of them combined at Texas. However, Heard was the real non-factor. At least we'll ahve Gilbert at Nebraska and Swoopes' 18-wheeler as good memories during a horrible time for Texas football.

I think Heard has the single game yardage record for a Texas QB.

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11 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment of Ehlinger's talent or abilities as a QB, although it seems a little needlessly inflammatory (but I understand your tone based on the context here). Anyone who watched Sam with any kind of objectivity could see that he was more of a fullback who could throw the ball well enough rather than a top line QB. If someone is arguing that he had a great arm or processed things quickly...well, they don't know ball. But he was the best we had, and he played hard, and he played for a dumbass HC. We won a lot of games despite Herman because Ehlinger refused to turtle up. I think what most people who are fans of Ehlinger liked about him are intangible qualities - toughness, leadership, love of Texas. Even with all his flaws, I'm still a fan because he loves the school as much as I do, and it showed. It has little to do with his actual level of play. I think this image sums it up:

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Who was rating these guys as QBs? I love Swoopes because that poor bastard was an great TE that was forced to play QB because Strong had no idea what the fuck he was doing. But not because of anything he did under center. 

The Westlake honks are not quite a cult, but they do love them some Westlake boys and have a hard time seeing any flaws with those red and blue colored glasses. It would be like me demanding that Charlie Wright getting more playing time just because he went to AHS. 

I was a Major truther back in the day and even I never hated Simms. He was a solid QB and he played hard. Plus he played for Texas. I always told people that even if I preferred Major as QB1, that doesn't mean that I won't support the guy actually taking snaps. I swear there were Texas fans who wanted us to lose just so they could be right about Simms. Besides, my issue was with Brown who actually made the decision. The hate for him never made sense - it always seemed like it was based on the perception that he had everything handed to him because of who his dad was. Which is disconcertingly similar to how Aggies and Sooners talk about Manning these days. 

Weird how history seems to keep repeating itself. 

I like Ehlinger fine as a former player. I liked him at Texas fine for the most part. I thought he sucked as a freshman and called him a loser before he went on to have solid rest of his career, making me look like an idiot as he did so. I have acknowledged I was wrong on the loser comment on the old Ehlinger thread. It doesn't prevent folks who really, really love Ehlinger from bringing it up any time I hurt their feelings on something else. You see one of our resident Westlake lovers doing that here because I apparently don't appreciate Klubnik to the appropriate levels that his Clemson performance demands. Regardless of all of that, it's never not fun to rile up those with I Am Sam sensitivities. 

To your point about that 2020 OU aftermath, I will also always appreciate Ehlinger doing what he did. And fuck Caden Stearns forever. I will never value that asshole as a former player. 

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17 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Major blew just as many games, never understood the Major love in comparison to the Chris hate.

Not on such a stage.  Win, and the team is in.  Coupled with a heartbreaking comeback that fell short....it was agonizing.

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59 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 Prank phone calls at all hours, death threats after bad games, being jeered and heckled when he was on campus by other students. 

I was present when Simms rolled up to the SAE house to confront some bitch ass frat boy that prank called him/heckled him incessantly.   As you might suspect he hid inside as his buddy's tried to apologize profusely.   Reading that gets me fired up again almost 25 years later.  There might not have been a single person that knew Simms (or in particular knew both Simms and Major) that didn't stand up for the guy when dumbass fans that had no idea who he was or what he was about talk about those days.

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4 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

I think Heard has the single game yardage record for a Texas QB.

Was that the Ok State game when Texas got ass fucked by the refs and the defensive holding penalty on Poona?

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18 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Yeah, the 2001 championship game was an interesting moment. Simms completely shitting the bed followed up Major orchestrating a near comeback was a vindication but it ultimately meant nothing. I would rather have been wrong and we win than be right and we lose. 

I will say that to this day, the second half of that game was one of the best "part of the crowd" experiences of my life. We were a slow moving wave of burnt orange that surged forward about 8 rows towards the field. Everyone was screaming, bouncing off each other, reacting to each play en masse. It felt electric. Sucks that we lost, but still a good memory. 

Yeah, I was there.  Only thing that I can remember topping it in person was the VY comeback against Ok St.  That was electric!!!!

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3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Not on such a stage.  Win, and the team is in.  Coupled with a heartbreaking comeback that fell short....it was agonizing.


It is amazing most of the Simms narrative is centered around that game. People forget the 99 Kansas State clunker from Applewhite because of the comeback he nearly led with everything on the line.

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3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Was that the Ok State game when Texas got ass fucked by the refs and the defensive holding penalty on Poona?

No, Cal, where Nick Ross missed the XP at the end and we lost.

 

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2 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


It is amazing most of the Simms narrative is centered around that game. People forget the 99 Kansas State clunker from Applewhite because of the comeback he nearly led with everything on the line.

Or that Simms utterly and absolutely owned aggy soup to nuts.  Lit them on fire and shit on the ashes

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4 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


It is amazing most of the Simms narrative is centered around that game. People forget the 99 Kansas State clunker from Applewhite because of the comeback he nearly led with everything on the line.

The game nobody really recalls from that era was @KSU in 2002.  That was a really good KSU team we beat on the road.  In 2001 I think Miami would have rolled us in any event had we beaten CU (would have been nice to get a shot) but would have really liked to see how the '02 team fared in a 12 team playoff back then.  

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20 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Yeah, the 2001 championship game was an interesting moment. Simms completely shitting the bed followed up Major orchestrating a near comeback was a vindication but it ultimately meant nothing. I would rather have been wrong and we win than be right and we lose. 

I will say that to this day, the second half of that game was one of the best "part of the crowd" experiences of my life. We were a slow moving wave of burnt orange that surged forward about 8 rows towards the field. Everyone was screaming, bouncing off each other, reacting to each play en masse. It felt electric. Sucks that we lost, but still a good memory. 

 

18 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Nothing about that night was good.

The only time in my life in which I have vomited while perfectly sober and healthy was in the parking lot of the Cowboys' stadium immediately following that game. 

9 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

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Heard was a top-100 recruit as a dual-threat QB. Swoopes started out higher before being re-ranked and reclassified to an athlete. Gilbert was QB3 (after Barkley and Shepard) in his class. Sam outperformed all of them combined at Texas. However, Heard was the real non-factor. At least we'll ahve Gilbert at Nebraska and Swoopes' 18-wheeler as good memories during a horrible time for Texas football.

It sucks that we lost the content from Shaggy. One of my favorite threads was one I created on the recruiting board that tracked Swoopes' performance his senior year of high school. There were a great many posters on Shaggy and 247 who argued in support of Mack Brown's choice to take Swoopes instead of JT Barrett as some sort of "trust the corchez!?!" amazing evaluation. "He's the next Vince Young!" was posted numerous times, including in an article with that title from Howe on 247. Reading about that guy slowly going 1-9 or 2-8 with terrible stats at his 2A high school had some of them pulling their hair out throughout that fall. 

I appreciate Swoopes for what he was at Texas, but, man, those were dark times as a fan. 

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2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The only time in my life in which I have vomited while perfectly sober and healthy was in the parking lot of the Cowboys' stadium immediately following that game. 

Didn't you yell at some Colorado mom and her kids?

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5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Or that Simms utterly and absolutely owned aggy soup to nuts.  Lit them on fire and shit on the ashes

I don't want to get into the whole Simms v. Applewhite thing, so this is the last comment I'll make. 

Simms sucked against OU. It is the one thing that holds me back from liking him as much as a lot of our less successful QBs. 

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6 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

It sucks that we lost the content from Shaggy. One of my favorite threads was one I created on the recruiting board that tracked Swoopes' performance his senior year of high school. There were a great many posters on Shaggy and 247 who argued in support of Mack Brown's choice to take Swoopes instead of JT Barrett as some sort of "trust the corchez!?!" amazing evaluation. "He's the next Vince Young!" was posted numerous times, including in an article with that title from Howe on 247. Reading about that guy slowly going 1-9 or 2-8 with terrible stats at his 2A high school had some of them pulling their hair out throughout that fall. 

 

If you can remember when it was, then it might be available here: https://web.archive.org/web/20150101000000*/shaggytexas.com

If it was before 2015, which it probably would be, then we are SOL. 

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5 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I don't want to get into the whole Simms v. Applewhite thing, so this is the last comment I'll make. 

Simms sucked against OU. It is the one thing that holds me back from liking him as much as a lot of our less successful QBs. 

The entire fucking team sucked against OU until VY, especially the HC.

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12 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

The only time in my life in which I have vomited while perfectly sober and healthy was in the parking lot of the Cowboys' stadium immediately following that game. 

It sucks that we lost the content from Shaggy. One of my favorite threads was one I created on the recruiting board that tracked Swoopes' performance his senior year of high school. There were a great many posters on Shaggy and 247 who argued in support of Mack Brown's choice to take Swoopes instead of JT Barrett as some sort of "trust the corchez!?!" amazing evaluation. "He's the next Vince Young!" was posted numerous times, including in an article with that title from Howe on 247. Reading about that guy slowly going 1-9 or 2-8 with terrible stats at his 2A high school had some of them pulling their hair out throughout that fall. 

I appreciate Swoopes for what he was at Texas, but, man, those were dark times as a fan. 

I was an RA in San Jac at the time Swoopes took his OV to Texas. He, Mack, and an entourage toured the dorm at one point. I was downright giddy. Man, did that not play out like I had hoped haha. 

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5 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I don't want to get into the whole Simms v. Applewhite thing, so this is the last comment I'll make. 

Simms sucked against OU. It is the one thing that holds me back from liking him as much as a lot of our less successful QBs. 

The problems against OU in that era started and ended with Mack Brown.  It didn't matter who was playing QB.

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Just now, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

Simms was night and day at that ‘01 CCG vs the October version of him we got vs CU. Still vexes me.

I used to see Chris and Rod Babers at Red River Cafe early mornings back then.  I used to go there after working out before class.  Chris was riding high after that Colorado beat down.

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The entire fucking team sucked against OU until VY, especially the HC.

1 minute ago, Skipper said:

The problems against OU in that era started and ended with Mack Brown.  It didn't matter who was playing QB.

Maybe I'm getting senile - which is a distinct possibility - but I believe that Major was QB1 against OU in 1998 and 1999. We won in 1998 and 1999. 

And now that's the last thing I'll say about this. 

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Just now, Park Gothic said:

Maybe I'm getting senile - which is a distinct possibility - but I believe that Major was QB1 against OU in 1998 and 1999. We won in 1998 and 1999. 

And now that's the last thing I'll say about this. 

Congrats beat John Blake, the second worst coach for OU behind Venables and a 1st year bob stoops!

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

The problems against OU in that era started and ended with Mack Brown.  It didn't matter who was playing QB.

Maybe so. But basically every other QB we had under Mack and Greg was able to pass for touchdowns against OU.  Including scrubs like Heard, Swoopes, and Case McCoy.  Chris has some responsibility for how he played against OU.

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1 hour ago, Helobious said:

Ehlinger’s game-ending pick in OT vs Oklahoma state his freshman year is still the worst throw I have ever seen a QB make given the circumstance. 

Sam had numerous game ending INTs (USC, Maryland) and couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn despite having LJH and Collin Johnson stretching out to make circus catches.

People admire Sam because he played with fire and burnt orange flowing through his veins despite playing for a food burning piss monitoring dictator who had no idea how to swing a sledgehammer.

Sam’s energy was comparable to having a massive raging boner like you were gonna fuck Baywatch Pam Anderson when the reality was more akin to going home to fuck a 600lb heffer who smells like shit. Herman inspired no confidence in anybody the way he talked down to everybody and Sam still was able to be fired up because he fucking loved playing football for UT.  

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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Prank phone calls at all hours, death threats after bad games, being jeered and heckled when he was on campus by other students. Imagine being Chris Simms, looking like he looked, and basically locking yourself in your apartment with a woman who didn't understand or give a fuck about football as a refuge from the shit he received. 

And it's pretty obvious a lot of those kids heckled him have moved onto message boards.

I was in school at the same time as him. I've heard those stories in the past and the way he was treated was unacceptable. They're all young men trying to do their best representing UT. His career can still be looked at objectively. And it has been for decades on UT boards.

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

I negged you not because you have a dumb fucking take, which you do, but because you're new here and seem to be under the impression that there aren't consequences for being voluminous and just spraying the board with stupid shit. Rep is sadly our only currency, but it can be used to ultimately crowdsource out early new poster stupidity. 

Ok. Thanks for the well written content.

Agree to disagree.

 

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

The next time you're masturbating on a Zoom call with Sam

Was this meant for Nicole?

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17 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

I was an RA in San Jac at the time Swoopes took his OV to Texas. He, Mack, and an entourage toured the dorm at one point. I was downright giddy. Man, did that not play out like I had hoped haha. 

Live in Frisco.  Saw Swoopes at the Kroger on Legacy & Lebanon years back when we spent a brief stint with the Cowboys.  Yelled out "SWOOOOOOPS" from across the produce section and flashed the horns.  He smiled.  Flashed them back.  The end.  Always liked the guy.  

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1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

He turned down two offers to be on 53 man rosters to sign to Denver's practice squad

There’s a greater than zero chance that one of those offers was from Miami to bump out Quinn. 

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1 hour ago, MuellerHorn said:

No, Cal, where Nick Ross missed the XP at the end and we lost.

 

Ugh, I think I'm still hungover from that shit-tastic game/season....

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Posted
2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

To be fair, several shirts in that closet should also be set on fire or buried in the backyard.

I can get away with wearing them, because I make them look good.

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1 hour ago, Laguna said:

I was in school at the same time as him. I've heard those stories in the past and the way he was treated was unacceptable. They're all young men trying to do their best representing UT. His career can still be looked at objectively. And it has been for decades on UT boards.

 

I don't think you know what objectively means. He's statistically in the top 10 in almost every major passing category in Texas history, he did it in about 2 years worth of playing, and he, OBJECTIVELY, had a fucking retard as an OC. You've labeled him as an overrated underachieving QB. Well, how so? 

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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

His signing with Texas made a giant fucking difference for the program from a national POV early in Mack Brown's tenure. 

Hard to overstate the impact. If there's no Chris Simms, there's no Big 3 WRs (Sloan, BJ, Roy).

You know who else really hates Chris Simms? Aggy.

333 yards through the air...

 

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1 hour ago, Park Gothic said:

Maybe I'm getting senile - which is a distinct possibility - but I believe that Major was QB1 against OU in 1998 and 1999. We won in 1998 and 1999. 

And now that's the last thing I'll say about this. 

98 was John Blake LOL.   Stoops was coach in '99 with his first team and we had a significant talent advantage.  Who started in 2000 and how did that go?

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10 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don't think you know what objectively means. He's statistically in the top 10 in almost every major passing category in Texas history, he did it in about 2 years worth of playing, and he, OBJECTIVELY, had a fucking retard as an OC. You've labeled him as an overrated underachieving QB. Well, how so? 

He started 32 games at Texas and played in 41.  He played a lot at Texas. 

We have a lot of shitty QBs in our top 10.  See passing yards -- Gardere and Brett Stafford are still there.

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6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

98 was John Blake LOL.   Stoops was coach in '99 with his first team and we had a significant talent advantage.  Who started in 2000 and how did that go?

The beginning on the 99 game wasn't great. I was there. They got off to a huge lead and then blew it. 

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4 minutes ago, Skipper said:

98 was John Blake LOL.   Stoops was coach in '99 with his first team and we had a significant talent advantage.  Who started in 2000 and how did that go?

If y'all are going to pretend that 98 and 99 don't count then I'm going to say the 2000 game doesn't count because they won the national championship. Or maybe I won't do that, because it's disingenuous bullshit and not germane to the point anyone was making when this conversation started. 

And Major started in 2000. So that makes him 2-1 against the Sooners, which is still better than Simms or any recent QB not named Colt McCoy. 

And with that, I am now actually, but for real this time, done with this argument. 

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2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

He started 32 games at Texas and played in 41.  He played a lot at Texas. 

We have a lot of shitty QBs in our top 10.  See passing yards -- Gardere and Brett Stafford are still there.

He went 26-6.  He was a good QB at Texas, and hampered by a retard in the booth. Laguna is repeatedly saying that Simms, objectively, was a mediocre QB at Texas. I'm simply asking him his defining criteria. 
 

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Just now, Park Gothic said:

If y'all are going to pretend that 98 and 99 don't count then I'm going to say the 2000 game doesn't count because they won the national championship. Or maybe I won't do that, because it's disingenuous bullshit and not germane to the point anyone was making when this conversation started. 

And Major started in 2000. So that makes him 2-1 against the Sooners, which is still better than Simms or any recent QB not named Colt McCoy. 

And with that, I am now actually, but for real this time, done with this argument. 

Stop pretending. You're going to come back and defend Teh Major because you can't help it. 

Just now, Hank_Hill said:

I’m supposed to feel bad for a guy that got to stay locked away getting pity sex from some foreign broad? 

No. You're supposed to think that a bunch of shitty fans and alums were shitty fans and alums. 

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3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

The beginning on the 99 game wasn't great. I was there. They got off to a huge lead and then blew it. 

The infamous Mike Leach fake script game got them up 17-0.  But by halftime we were back in control of that one.

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3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Stop pretending. You're going to come back and defend Teh Major because you can't help it. 

No. You're supposed to think that a bunch of shitty fans and alums were shitty fans and alums. 

You know, enabling an addict is dangerous behavior. 

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3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I'm not sure there's a single player who gets run over more from our own fanbase, undeservedly, than Chris Simms. The guy was top 10 in most statistical UT categories in about two cobbled together years of QBing. More than that, people on campus and off, during college and after, have treated the guy like dogshit, personally. I don't blame the guy for having nothing to do with the University of Texas. And I say all that as a Major guy during the time. The guy went 26-6 as a starter, for fuck's sake. 

people need to try and film of him and rewatch it. go watch the a&m game in college station, or the lsu cotton bowl. he had the strongest arm at Texas since rick mcivor and he was firing that ball all over the field in a way that (especially when compared to our most recent starting qb) pops off the screen and wakes you say, “whoa.” when he was on, which was most of the time, he looked like an absolute pro. but just to repeat the point, go watch simms throw the ball 30 yards on a frozen rope, or 55 yards on the dot to roy or bj, and you’ll be taken aback at how much you’ve forgotten what he looked like and how he (usually) performed. he was very good, and fun to watch to boot.

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5 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

You know, enabling an addict is dangerous behavior. 

I'm not enabling anything.

I'm simply sitting on the sidelines wagering on what that addict is going to do...will he clean up his life, or will he run, not walk, to the lines of cocaine and syringes of heroin just sitting on that empty table, unguarded?

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