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49 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Things are getting hairy down there. If this thing passes they are going to explode. Our congress is probably taking notes on this bill though.
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr5qem201qlo

That will not end well (and as an aside, Gil, Veloso, and Buarque have to be the three biggest surviving names in modern Brazilian music, and I believe all were exiled during the 1964-85 ditadura militar.) There are many Brazilians with vivid memories of those days and even more with memories and experiences with the Direitas Já movement that ended it. In my experience they take democracy seriously because of it - despite, as in most countries today, there being a large anti-democratic faction (of course I know you know all this, @Hank_Hill - are those the thoughts of your partner's family there as well?)

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8 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Things are getting hairy down there. If this thing passes they are going to explode. Our congress is probably taking notes on this bill though.
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr5qem201qlo

I think they'll hold it together and Bolsonaro will die in prison. Democracy is messy, but there are millions and millions of people there that want democracy and are willing to go to bat for it in a way we are not here.

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8 hours ago, flatdawgs said:

That will not end well (and as an aside, Gil, Veloso, and Buarque have to be the three biggest surviving names in modern Brazilian music, and I believe all were exiled during the 1964-85 ditadura militar.) There are many Brazilians with vivid memories of those days and even more with memories and experiences with the Direitas Já movement that ended it. In my experience they take democracy seriously because of it - despite, as in most countries today, there being a large anti-democratic faction (of course I know you know all this, @Hank_Hill - are those the thoughts of your partner's family there as well?)

 

33 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

I think they'll hold it together and Bolsonaro will die in prison. Democracy is messy, but there are millions and millions of people there that want democracy and are willing to go to bat for it in a way we are not here.

100%. My wife’s family all voted for Bolsonaro as many wealthy boomer/Gen X Brazilians did. She didn’t speak to them for months. I met them in person in 2023 and went back this year and the stark contrast in their opinion of him and that faction of the right still loyal to him was shocking. You would never know they had voted for him. That is the kind of self reflection I haven’t seen in the maga people in my life (an entire side of my family included). I think that is largely  because the majority of the population of the US has never lived through what is about to happen before.

But yea, word on the street is they’re already walking this thing back 

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