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4 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Maybe the dumbest thing ever posted on this website 

Not exactly a formidable argument. 

14 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Arch is looking to the other side of the field entirely dude 

The dude thinks Arch should play running back lol

1. Maybe that's the problem and the point.

2. Hyperbole has a tough time on this board. 

Written without rancor, amigo.

46 minutes ago, ITHorn said:

I like Lacey.. But you think his tiny ass is holding up an entire game if the line plays like it did in Gainesville? 

What exactly is he on the team for? How many guys do we have on the bench that are too small to play? This is a real problem. Fire Sark!

I guess that's why Kyler Murray was such a failure.

I doubt Lacey is even nearly ready, but, if he was the best QB, he should absolutely get the start and would be righteously resentful if he did not. 

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7 hours ago, Thatguy said:

One doesn't have to be an expert. So the passing concept on that play is called smash. A lot of coordinators run it with a hitch and a corner route like this. The idea behind this concept is that you are reading the outside corner. If he is up and pressing we are trying to attack the area in red. However, if the outside corner is protecting that area by giving cushion to the outside receiver we throws the stick route with the idea that if we put it on him immediately he can get to the sticks. This is what it looks like. 

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However, Sarkisian runs his like this. Instead of the inside receiver running a corner route, he runs a fade instead. The fade does two things. First, if the outside corner is playing up and the space behind him is vacated, the fade release gives the QB the opportunity to let it go immediately. The other thing it does is, if the outside corner is playing off, and the ball is thrown properly, all the receiver has to do is release inside after the catch and it naturally puts Wingo between him and his defender. This is how it looks below. 

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So now that we know that let's look at the play again. We start out in 3x1 with the single to the boundary. 

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Arch motions the man out of the backfield and a defender goes with him. Now I want you to pay attention to where that man came from. That is 6"2.5 244lb sophomore inside linebacker Aaron Chiles Jr, who should starts btw. 

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Now you've forced Florida to declare man coverage. Remember what we said the read was. If the corner is pressing you throw the fade. If the corner is playing off we throw the stop route. Look at the corner below. Playing off right? Now Arch has all the information he needs for what to do. PLUS, he has a 244lb linebacker on Tre Wisner. Look at him shaking. Ten yards off the ball. That is a QB's dream. But if you are listening to Codexx. This play is dead in the water. 

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Again, if this ball is out here that LB is grabbing at ankles by the time he recovers. He breaks his route down 3 yards from the sticks and ole buddy is still 6-7 yards off in coverage. One doesn't have to be an expert. One simply has to have common sense. 

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That play is dead. See the Cb sitting flat footed 2 yards behind the 1st down maker. WR is breaking off and coming back to the Qb 3 yards short of the sticks. He is going to cover the that ground easily. Wingo does not touch the DB on the pick and he cannot touch the DB as it would be offensive PI. You may have an argument, if the comeback was past the sticks or the NB was a Surly poster and not a legit D1 athlete. I am guessing you are a big GDGD fan, based on your idea that a 5 yard stop route is a winning play on 3rd and 8.. 

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The national media humiliated themselves by setting up this huge story of another Manning entering the game and taking over college football 

On 10/7/2025 at 11:03 PM, Surly Bevo said:

Humiliated??? Nah

clicks when you build em up and clicks when you tear them down brah

Damn you for making me keep reconsidering that word choice.  You're right. Humiliation requires self-awareness which is rare among sports media types. They made fools of themselves is more apt as one needn't be aware of it for it to be true.

That leads me to sportswriters make fools of themselves which is about as noteworthy as a dog shitting in the yard.

Okay, I can check one thing off my obsession list.

You're right about the rest, of course.

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https://www.on3.com/college/texas-longhorns/news/dan-orlovsky-claims-arch-manning-will-still-be-the-no-1-pick-in-2027-nfl-draft-despite-struggles/

highlights for those too lazy to open

“Arch Manning is going to be the No. 1 pick in the 2027 NFL Draft,” Orlovsky said. “I’ve never felt better about that than watching this past week… He’s custom-made for the NFL game.”

“Let’s be very clear about Texas,” Orlovsky said. “It’s probably as big of a roster whiff as we’ve had in years. It’s arguably the worst offensive line in the SEC. They don’t have a tailback who’s a difference maker right now. Their best receiver is a redshirt freshman named Parker Livingstone. This is not a very good football team.”

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Posted
1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Not exactly a formidable argument. 

1. Maybe that's the problem and the point.

2. Hyperbole has a tough time on this board. 

Written without rancor, amigo.

What exactly is he on the team for? How many guys do we have on the bench that are too small to play? This is a real problem. Fire Sark!

I guess that's why Kyler Murray was such a failure.

I doubt Lacey is even nearly ready, but, if he was the best QB, he should absolutely get the start and would be righteously resentful if he did not. 

You keep pretending that playing another quarterback is a reasonable position to take and that we should treat those moronic opinions reasonably. Here’s the options at QB… 1) Arch 2) a guy who went 3-7 at Troy 3) a true freshman that weighs 180 lbs.

Just stop.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

You keep pretending that playing another quarterback is a reasonable position to take and that we should treat those moronic opinions reasonably. Here’s the options at QB… 1) Arch 2) a guy who went 3-7 at Troy 3) a true freshman that weighs 180 lbs.

Just stop.

I dont think a different QB is completely unreasonable opinion. We dont know if another QB would do better. I happen to agree with you that any QB put in this offense right now is being set up for failure. Until the blocking improves, this offense is just going to be bad. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I dont think a different QB is completely unreasonable opinion. We dont know if another QB would do better. I happen to agree with you that any QB put in this offense right now is being set up for failure. Until the blocking improves, this offense is just going to be bad. 

A different qb might not be unreasonable but a different one on this roster is. 

Posted
7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

A different qb might not be unreasonable but a different one on this roster is. 

Worried Arch will get ruined behind this OL. I cannot imagine the damage playing behind this OL would do to Lacey. 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

https://www.on3.com/college/texas-longhorns/news/dan-orlovsky-claims-arch-manning-will-still-be-the-no-1-pick-in-2027-nfl-draft-despite-struggles/

highlights for those too lazy to open

“Arch Manning is going to be the No. 1 pick in the 2027 NFL Draft,” Orlovsky said. “I’ve never felt better about that than watching this past week… He’s custom-made for the NFL game.”

“Let’s be very clear about Texas,” Orlovsky said. “It’s probably as big of a roster whiff as we’ve had in years. It’s arguably the worst offensive line in the SEC. They don’t have a tailback who’s a difference maker right now. Their best receiver is a redshirt freshman named Parker Livingstone. This is not a very good football team.”

I would agree with most of that.  Not sure about the No.1 pick but I do think I finally saw what I had hoped to see the first week.  I feel much better about Arch.

Our OL and RB recruiting look like a bunch of whiffs.  RB is more of a shocker to me, there isn't a difference maker in the entire group.  

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Sark's inability to adjust the gameplan causes us to lose some very important games. He went into the game planning to have Arch drop as many bombs as possible. He didn't adjust to a short and quick passing game when the OL was playing like swiss cheese. Why he can't recognize what's happening on the filed and adjust is beyond me. 

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Posted
4 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

The dude thinks Arch should play running back lol

So did our coach, last year 

52 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Sark's inability to adjust the gameplan causes us to lose some very important games. He went into the game planning to have Arch drop as many bombs as possible. He didn't adjust to a short and quick passing game when the OL was playing like swiss cheese. Why he can't recognize what's happening on the filed and adjust is beyond me. 

Just this week he reaffirmed he wasn’t going to change shit basically 

Posted
3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Not exactly a formidable argument. 

1. Maybe that's the problem and the point.

2. Hyperbole has a tough time on this board. 

Written without rancor, amigo.

What exactly is he on the team for? How many guys do we have on the bench that are too small to play? This is a real problem. Fire Sark!

I guess that's why Kyler Murray was such a failure.

I doubt Lacey is even nearly ready, but, if he was the best QB, he should absolutely get the start and would be righteously resentful if he did not. 

I’m sure Bruce Young was too small to win a Heisman :( 

Posted
2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

 

 

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That play is dead. See the Cb sitting flat footed 2 yards behind the 1st down maker. WR is breaking off and coming back to the Qb 3 yards short of the sticks. He is going to cover the that ground easily. Wingo does not touch the DB on the pick and he cannot touch the DB as it would be offensive PI. You may have an argument, if the comeback was past the sticks or the NB was a Surly poster and not a legit D1 athlete. I am guessing you are a big GDGD fan, based on your idea that a 5 yard stop route is a winning play on 3rd and 8.. 

you’re actually retarded if you think the play is dead. That DB is so far off a pass and a broken tackle goes for a big game. Jesus Christ you’re so fucking autistic it’s insane. Even tackled after a catch that is an 8 yard gain vs a fucking sack you autistic retarded fuck

Posted
2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

You keep pretending that playing another quarterback is a reasonable position to take and that we should treat those moronic opinions reasonably. Here’s the options at QB… 1) Arch 2) a guy who went 3-7 at Troy 3) a true freshman that weighs 180 lbs.

Just stop.

A 5 star top recruit playing as bad as the guy who went 3-7 at Troy with a far worse team. Good argument. I get it you want manning to be good, but he’s sadly not. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

Worried Arch will get ruined behind this OL. I cannot imagine the damage playing behind this OL would do to Lacey. 

 

 

2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

A different qb might not be unreasonable but a different one on this roster is. 

What if Lacey or even Caldwell is just a better play maker with their legs and knowing where to go with the ball? What if they’re better at just hitting the open guy underneath instead of just yeeting deep balls for the sake of yeeting deep balls because the starter doesn’t know that receivers exist 5-15 yards from the LOS

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

What if Lacey or even Caldwell is just a better play maker with their legs and knowing where to go with the ball? What if they’re better at just hitting the open guy underneath instead of just yeeting deep balls for the sake of yeeting deep balls because the starter doesn’t know that receivers exist 5-15 yards from the LOS

What if you stopped posting?

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14 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

you’re actually retarded if you think the play is dead. That DB is so far off a pass and a broken tackle goes for a big game. Jesus Christ you’re so fucking autistic it’s insane. Even tackled after a catch that is an 8 yard gain vs a fucking sack you autistic retarded fuck

Your stupidity is welcome documented. If he he tackled on the catch it is a gain of 4. I know math is hard for you, but you would think the GDGD diagram of his 3rd down play would have traveled down to your momm's basement by now. @Thatguy put out a breakdown of a called screen to the TE and said Arch should have hit the RB. Never seen anyone blame a QB for a bad read on a 1 man route before. Has to be the dumbest breakdown in the history of message boards and I dont say that lightly. This is guy that blamed the entire team anytime Quinn struggled. Now after a game with 35 pressures, he is going after a QB. 

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All I could think at the end of last night's Phils/Dodgers game was 'that's something Arch would've done.'  Something minor goes wrong, panic, do the wrong thing.

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sark had 4 years to build up the roster / team / OL for arch being the starter. him and the entire staff dropped the ball, hugely. especially in the portal era. zero reason for this OL to be this bad. zero reason for not having a top RB behind arch ....

 

 

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2 hours ago, UTEE97 said:

Sark's inability to adjust the gameplan causes us to lose some very important games. He went into the game planning to have Arch drop as many bombs as possible. He didn't adjust to a short and quick passing game when the OL was playing like swiss cheese. Why he can't recognize what's happening on the filed and adjust is beyond me. 

If he was a true offensive guru who shows exceptional ability to adjust in games then he would have been coaching in the NFL still.

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5 minutes ago, westexhorn said:

If he was a true offensive guru who shows exceptional ability to adjust in games then he would have been coaching in the NFL still.

He got lucky calling plays for two of the greatest college head coaches ever. It's not the same when you're also in charge of talent evaluation and leading the whole program. Jury is still out on Sarkisian as a so-called offensive mastermind. I cringe every time I see that word associated with him.

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2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

Your stupidity is welcome documented. If he he tackled on the catch it is a gain of 4. I know math is hard for you, 

What?  The LOS was the 12 (ish), right?  If that's a reception the 20 is virtually guaranteed, and possibly a first down.  Are we talking about two separate plays?

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56 minutes ago, westexhorn said:

If he was a true offensive guru who shows exceptional ability to adjust in games then he would have been coaching in the NFL still.

 

that bama dynasty talent was heavy on OL stars 

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I wish as much as the next guy that playing another QB would make Sark call better plays, fix our obvious and serious OL deficiencies, make our receivers get open and not drop passes, and heal our RBs (who don't have holes to run through anyway) .... but it won't. Arch isn't there yet, but has shown some improvement - even, yes, against Florida. He isn't the reason our offense is sucking right now, but that won't stop the simple-minded from piling on. Carry on.

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12 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

that bama dynasty talent was heavy on OL stars 

which is why sark baffles me that he saw 1st hand how saban always prioritized stacking the trenches, but he seems more interested in prioitizing receivers and athletes with no defined position.

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Posted
3 hours ago, shakahorn said:

All I could think at the end of last night's Phils/Dodgers game was 'that's something Arch would've done.'  Something minor goes wrong, panic, do the wrong thing.

pretty sure you’re thinking of quinn. arch does the opposite. he stays in the picket forever and is always looking downfield despite everything breaking down around him. and when he’s not doing that he’s scrambling and making plays (at least occasionally) with both his arm and legs. you really could not have missed the mark any worse than this.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

What?  The LOS was the 12 (ish), right?  If that's a reception the 20 is virtually guaranteed, and possibly a first down.  Are we talking about two separate plays?

The 1st down is the 22, which is why I drew the line. The WR breaks the stop off at the 19. The DB is over him on the 24. His hips are parallel to the LOS and coming down. The reception isn’t a lock. It would be if his hips were turned, but the WR never threatened and he sat on the route. Even if he catches it, he is well short of the 1st down. All that is a big reason the play call sucks. 

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1 hour ago, UTEE97 said:

He got lucky calling plays for two of the greatest college head coaches ever. It's not the same when you're also in charge of talent evaluation and leading the whole program. Jury is still out on Sarkisian as a so-called offensive mastermind. I cringe every time I see that word associated with him.

But, is it this cringeworthy? 

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1 hour ago, UTEE97 said:

He got lucky calling plays for two of the greatest college head coaches ever. It's not the same when you're also in charge of talent evaluation and leading the whole program. Jury is still out on Sarkisian as a so-called offensive mastermind. I cringe every time I see that word associated with him.

In fairness, he once scored 70 points in a game with Casey Thompson at QB.  Think of what he could do if we got him a Manning.

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7 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

The 1st down is the 22, which is why I drew the line. The WR breaks the stop off at the 19. The DB is over him on the 24. His hips are parallel to the LOS and coming down. The reception isn’t a lock. It would be if his hips were turned, but the WR never threatened and he sat on the route. Even if he catches it, he is well short of the 1st down. All that is a big reason the play call sucks. 

You said 4 yards, which would imply negative 3-4 yards from the WR's current position.  I don't see it.  Whatever, I watch football like my chihuahua watches squirrels.

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9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You said 4 yards, which would imply negative 3-4 yards from the WR's current position.  I don't see it.  Whatever, I watch football like my chihuahua watches squirrels.

4 yards came from breaking off his stop at the 19 and if he runs it correctly he is coming back to the ball, so he should catch it at the 18. He would need 4 more yards. This is why I said the play call sucks and the stops look like a GDGD call. Running a 10 yards stop on 3rd and 8 makes sense. Running 5 yard stops is dumb 

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6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

4 yards came from breaking off his stop at the 19 and if he runs it correctly he is coming back to the ball, so he should catch it at the 18. He would need 4 more yards. This is why I said the play call sucks and the stops look like a GDGD call. Running a 10 yards stop on 3rd and 8 makes sense. Running 5 yard stops is dumb 

I mean, you literally said this:  

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If he he tackled on the catch it is a gain of 4.

That implies he is tackled on the 16, but he catches on the 18?  Yeah, I think forward progression nullifies that.

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7 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

You keep pretending that playing another quarterback is a reasonable position to take and that we should treat those moronic opinions reasonably. Here’s the options at QB… 1) Arch 2) a guy who went 3-7 at Troy 3) a true freshman that weighs 180 lbs.

Just stop.

Well if you want to take the presumptuous and doubling down on name-calling as a position, have some rancor.

1. Dismissing what someone says as stupid, moronic, or idiotic based on a premise you don't really articulate says more about your mind than anyone to whom you direct your vacant claims.

2. You are so unjustifiably sure of yourself that you claim I am pretending about my opinion. I actually name my statements as opinions. You proclaim absolute truth supported by disdain for any who disagree. Here, eat dick, you fucking moron if you don't agree with me. Hey, I just crushed whatever you think your argument is. Neato! I guess that really is persuasive.

3. The main point I and others are making is not to take Arch down a dark road and bury him alive. Here's the line of reasoning. I know I'm wasting my time because you will destroy it by writing that I'm not serious and that my position is really really stupid. I'll likely weep.

a. Arch Manning is objectively struggling to find open receivers and throw accurately to those he does find. Many promising completions have been limited by his ball placement retarding the speed of the receiver. 

b. We have lost twice to competitive teams (even though it's possible Florida won't be very competitive with anyone else). Many elements caused those losses. Pay attention now, other players poor play does not excuse the problems Manning has had as described in a. above.

c. Amid the futile plays at the end of the game in hopes of scoring against Florida, Caldwell has to go in and makes the only competent QB play of that possession.

d. It's actually not uncommon to play a player who has shown, in game, that his experience may pay off nicely by succeeding at some of the easy reads and throws that dog the starter.

e. You don't fucking know how good Caldwell is. Nobody is saying he's VY. You keep harping on his time at Troy. The same coach that chose Manning chose this guy as a viable back up. Should I put more stock in Sark's evaluation or yours? (I know. I know. I'm just pretending that's a reasonable statement. Ya got me.)

f. You defend your position like that skinny blond guy begged us to leave Britney alone. The difference is that he was joking. Enough with, oh he'll die behind that line, he tries so hard, he really isn't playing poorly, nobody in the world should be put in. Translation: stick to losing if it means I can hold my jackass position that not even God in heaven should bench him for a series.

g. Yes, only a series or more if Caldwell moves the ball. That's all we're saying. Who is actually being unreasonable here?

@Thatguy's analysis and explanation are persuasive. Your claim about the hopelessness of the one play perfectly illustrates your odd desperation. Deny your eyes all you want but maybe keep it to yourself. What's going on here is pretty much self-immolation. We're growing sad for you.

 

I know for some this is tldr. For you, it's likely too long can't understand it. Now fuck yourself along and toss another spurt at the Arch altar.

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You’re trying way too hard. Write all the novels you want. It’s an unreasonable position based on the body of work of both players careers. Not once have a said arch is great or even good. 
Self immolation is feeling the need to write 8 paragraphs on a message board in support of a position you readily admit you don’t understand.

Look who your biggest fan is on this thread and maybe reevaluate something.

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5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

You’re trying way too hard. Write all the novels you want. It’s an unreasonable position based on the body of work of both players careers. 
Not once have a said arch is great or even good. 
Self immolation is feeling the need to write 8 paragraphs on a message board in support of a position you readily admit you don’t understand

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Posted (edited)
55 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I mean, you literally said this:  

That implies he is tackled on the 16, but he catches on the 18?  Yeah, I think forward progression nullifies that.

I believe it was 3rd and 8 from the 14. 14+8=22, perhaps it was 3rd and 10 and I am slightly off on the numbers. Biggest point is the WR breaks the route off 3 yards before the sticks. Forward progress is a big assumption. WR has no momentum. He is stopped or heading towards the QB. DB is coming down with momentum. 

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6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I believe it was 3rd and 8 from the 14. 14+8=22, perhaps it was 3rd and 10 and I am slightly off on the numbers. Biggest point is the WR breaks the route off 3 yards before the sticks. Forward progress is a big assumption. WR has no momentum. He is stopped or heading towards the QB. DB is coming down with momentum. 

It’s a big assumption that he doesn’t get YAC or that the defender makes or whiffs the tackle retard autist. And the bigger point is the catch is a better result than a sack 

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Worried Arch will get ruined behind this OL. I cannot imagine the damage playing behind this OL would do to Lacey. 

That’s why I wanted him to take over for Ewers after the injury last year. The offense was much more talented last season.
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which is why sark baffles me that he saw 1st hand how saban always prioritized stacking the trenches, but he seems more interested in prioitizing receivers and athletes with no defined position.

Have you ever seen an offensive minded coach who didn’t wanna stack the skill positions and score a ton of points to the detriment of the defense and be aggressive a lot? Seems like defensive minded coaches are the opposite. Protect the defense with a slower offense and conservative play.
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9 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Arch is looking to the other side of the field entirely dude 

Yep. And what does that tell you? He isnt processing what he is seeing. 

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