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6 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Yeah, the first conversation has to be with Kamala to convince her to say "Joe and I are stepping aside because we think that fresh faces" yada yada.  It has to be that she doesn't want to and its voluntary from her.

Frame it as she also hid how bad he was.  Offer her a SC spot or be president at Howard or something.

No one really likes her and she's bad at politics.

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Look at this thread as to why Biden stepping aside would be fun for all, but dangerous for Dems/Democracy. A contested convention would be a live action version of a football game thread with the volume turned up to 11 and the stakes for fucking real. No telling how that shit would go. Contested conventions could be be unpredictable in the era when mass media was the evening newspaper, and now the news is old in 15 minutes, with the added bonus that anyone with a phone could be "reporting" news or simply trying to mislead. You might end up with someone way, way, way off the radar swooping in to take the nomination. It could be Stacey Abrams, Sherrod Brown, AOC, John Cena, Al Franken, or Jimmy Smits.

Folks who assume Gavin just strolls in and takes it are delusional.

It might be the best cable news TV week of all time. If this is the year we lose democracy, we might as well be entertained. What do you say, Joe? 

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1 minute ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

It's amazing that people can't see this. "Kamala isn't owed anything!" Okay, grasshop her with a white guy and let's see how minority voters feel about it. 

If black people vote for Trump or avoid voting altogether because Kamala is passed over, then that's their decision and they will have to live with the consequences.

White, straight, cis-gender men (and to a lesser extent women) who identify as independents, won't face the same adversity under Trump, so they are the constituency the Dems need to be concerned with brining into the fold.

These are just blunt facts.  It's too late for sugar coating and trying to force your will/ideals on the voting public.  

Whitmer is the best choice because she's not unattractive (shallow but true), popular in her state, and has a good track record of working across the aisle.   Obviously, she's a woman, but I don't think that hurts her as much as some others here seem to think it will.

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This fucking sucks.  There is undeniable traction that the sitting POTUS (who is currently in a tight re-election race against a criminal egomaniac) is unfit for office, being amplified by prominent members of his own party.  POTUS is at least tacitly acknowledging it by scheduling an interview on a major network to air in 72 hours.  If Biden doesn’t come across sharp as fuck and flawlessly address why he came off so poorly last week, all fucking hell is going to break loose.  This would be cool if it were a Netflix drama.  But as reality?  This fucking sucks.

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President at Howard?  littleracist.gif

I want a woman President for my daughters to look up to.  Call me whatever names make you feel better, but Kamala is not going to carry the top of a ticket.  She may assume office in 2026 if Biden dies, and I'm sure she'll continue a competent administration filled with capable problem-solvers.  But the facts remain.  Biden remains vulnerable.  Trump remains malignant.  2032 is the only glimmer of actual, effectual change in this country when lines are redrawn and demography shifts from that census.  2028 is a giant fucking question mark which will actually make this cycle look like a walk in the park.  But all that matters is getting through to November/January and taking back the House and keeping the Oval and Senate (or at least a tie).  SCOTUS ain't going anyway anytime soon.  Do whatever the fuck it takes.  And hopefully Trump dies somewhere in between 2024-2028.  Otherwise, everything goes lights out until 2032.  

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If it goes to convention, those chucklefucks needs to have the pick already made behind closed doors.  Everybody needs to be on the same page and united. Set that candidate up in their primary debates to shine the best possible light.  

But, they will fuck around and find out.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I suppose the only fly in the ointment is that 80% of the Seals are probably MAGA.

I was driving in Liberty Hill this weekend and saw a State Trooper that had pulled someone over.  He went to the trunk of his SUV and inside was a case of some kind with stickers all over it.  One of them said "Try That In A Small Town". 

Yeah, I don't expect the cops to be on the side of democracy.

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1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

President at Howard?  littleracist.gif

I want a woman President for my daughters to look up to.  Call me whatever names make you feel better, but Kamala is not going to carry the top of a ticket.  She may assume office in 2026 if Biden dies, and I'm sure she'll continue a competent administration filled with capable problem-solvers.  But the facts remain.  Biden remains vulnerable.  Trump remains malignant.  2032 is the only glimmer of actual, effectual change in this country when lines are redrawn and demography shifts from that census.  2028 is a giant fucking question mark which will actually make this cycle look like a walk in the park.  But all that matters is getting through to November/January and taking back the House and keeping the Oval and Senate (or at least a tie).  SCOTUS ain't going anyway anytime soon.  Do whatever the fuck it takes.  And hopefully Trump dies somewhere in between 2024-2028.  Otherwise, everything goes lights out until 2032.  

She went to Howard.

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2 minutes ago, DaysOff said:
3 hours ago, BrickTop said:

I’ve never posted here, and I’ll probably regret it but I think this is pretty much dead on, I don’t really follow the inner workings of politics all that clearly so I will make a few points, 1. I am really not a fan of Trump, I’d consider myself a moderate. 2. I watched Biden speak in the 2020 debates and he seemed very strong and in control. 3. No way in hell am I voting for Biden after that debate performance, I have seen senility and Alzheimer’s and maybe that’s not what Biden has but to be honest that version of the POTUS shown in that debate is actually somewhat terrifying. As it stands I’m voting for neither, and a lot of people I know feel the same, too much uncertainty with Biden, not voting for Trump, I think a lot of people are missing the amount of people who simply won’t vote for either. Yes, that debate absolutely changed a lot of minds, it was somewhat terrifying and caused a lot of uncertainty with a lot of people. I am not a political expert, just a working class blue collar guy , so forgive my somewhat simple take.

Democracy can survive an old man. There's guardrails for dementia. Democracy cannot survive whatever that baboon will attempt. There's no guardrails for him. Yesterday proved that.

If there are guardrails against dementia, they’re not working.  The dude everyone is talking about as clearly suffering from severe age-related decline IS THE SITTING POTUS. 
 

(Invite: I voted for Biden in 2020 and will likely vote for him again and fuck Donald Trump with all the fury of the Big Bang.)

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48 minutes ago, Texaus said:

This is so goddamn depressing. Is there any path forward to beat Dotard? I don’t see one with Biden. I felt differently before that performance and was hopeful the truly awful nature of Dotard, coupled with the power of the incumbency, would prevail. You don’t have to be a geriatrician to recognize that wasn’t cold symptoms on display and it’s only going to get worse. It should not have been difficult, at all, to expose that lying piece of shit. 

I admit I waffle back and forth daily, if not more often than that on this. Biden definitely has a path. It’s a long time until November. What he kills the ABC interview on Friday and then also has a marked improvement in the next debate? People who hate Trump today will still hate Trump tomorrow, next week, next month, ad infinitum.

 

45 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

 


The plane has crashed into the goddamned mountain

 

No, the solid blue states are not up for grabs — yet. Not a chance. Have all the swing states swung to Trump? Maybe. But again, it’s a long way to the general election.

 

40 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yep. Keeping his appearances minimal him and trying to run out the clock won't work anymore. If he's the guy, gotta at least try to build momentum. On the plus side, he set his already low bar all the way on the floor. A couple just non-disastrous showings would go a long way towards altering the narrative.

Just not holding my breath.

Yes, if he shits the bed again on Friday then, yes, maybe some real momentum builds to replacing him on the ticket. I think he’ll probably come off very well Friday. But if he doesn’t, the decision needs to be made quickly.

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1 minute ago, Snake Diggity said:

who is currently in a tight re-election race against a criminal egomaniac

Perhaps the problem is that too many people think this is actually true because they see a 1-point difference in the national polls.

He is NOT in a tight race.  Biden is losing badly in swing states he carried last time.  The fact that millions of Democrats in California, Texas, and New York support Biden means fuck all to the electoral math.

I don't think there is anyone on this board deluded enough to think Biden loses the popular vote.

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The message is clear from all sides in the media now and I agree that I don't see how Biden doesn't step aside (get pushed aside) in the next 2 weeks.  It's clear he can't make it until election without another "episode" putting the final nail in his own re-election chances.  The problem now is he's sinking other races and it's not just about losing the White House.  Party members are going to start focusing in on their own self interests and realize he can't continue as candidate.

I don't think anyone is willing to bet the farm on Biden in his current condition making it to election day without some kind of repeat performance (especially with media hyper focused on looking for it).  He could kill it for months and then falter in October destroying every piece of momentum created. Democrats just can't take that risk, they can't.  The talk is now not if, but when.

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But we were told not to panic, all would be well, ride the power of the incumbent. Then it became obvious we were misled and Biden is not just old, but in a state of decline so advanced there is no possibility of him winning this election. To my eyes this is just the reality of the situation. It’s going to get worse, not better. It’s depressing. 

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

The United States is dumb at governance.

I think that's also part of the problem.  

I'll admit to moments of "fuck it, burn this mother fucker to the ground".

So far, they've been brief and I come back to my senses, but I highly doubt I'm the only one feeling like that.

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57 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

 


The plane has crashed into the goddamned mountain

 

If this was true, the race was already over before the debate. 

None of those pre-debate numbers look believable to me, at all. 

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It’s funny that people think replacing the incumbent president with someone like Whitmer, or Booker, or Newsom would somehow boost turnout. No one knows who those people are.

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11 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

If there are guardrails against dementia, they’re not working.  The dude everyone is talking about as clearly suffering from severe age-related decline IS THE SITTING POTUS. 
 

(Invite: I voted for Biden in 2020 and will likely vote for him again and fuck Donald Trump with all the fury of the Big Bang.)

There hasn’t been a need for guardrails with Biden. He has been running a great administration. Arguably, the best one in the last 50 years. 

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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s funny that people think replacing the incumbent president with someone like Whitmer, or Booker, or Newsom would somehow boost turnout. No one knows who those people are.

That's what the convention is for and yes, people will watch after all this.

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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s funny that people think replacing the incumbent president with someone like Whitmer, or Booker, or Newsom would somehow boost turnout. No one knows who those people are.

And that a good number of people won't immediately be turned off by the DNC "rigging" it for some preferred candidate.

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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

It’s funny that people think replacing the incumbent president with someone like Whitmer, or Booker, or Newsom would somehow boost turnout. No one knows who those people are.

At this point, isn't it most important who they aren't

It can't be Newsom though, that much I agree with.

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Just now, Aqua Buddha said:

That's what the convention is for and yes, people will watch after all this.

It's not a god damn reality show or American Idol

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14 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

She went to Howard.

Yeah, I know.  Lame attempt at humor as per usual.  I just mean while she may like that position, the first female VP in U.S. history could run any university she wants.  Nothing wrong with Howard or brand loyalty, but she could helm Yale or Stanford if she wanted to.  I like her, but she's not having a great tenure from what I glean internally.  If she took over for an ailing or dead Biden one day in the next term, I'd be there with bells on at the swearing-in with my girls in tow.  But putting her up top for 2024 is just trouble.  

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Just now, aggie08 said:

At this point, isn't it most important who they aren't

It can't be Newsom though, that much I agree with.

No it isn’t. Name recognition matters. There is zero chance that any of those people could GOTV more effectively than Biden. The next 5 months would be all about telling America about who they are and what they’ve accomplished. Sorry but we are past that stage already. We don’t have time to explain who the candidate is and what their policies are. GOTV is all that matters.

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What some are missing in the media is that the whole reason Biden was seeking a second term was because all the polling showed that Harris would win the nomination in his absence.  If you look at the horse race polls of Democratic voters she leads with about 30-35% with Biden out of the race. 
Just about every way you look at it, internal polling shows she loses to Trump.  Her negatives are high and perceptions of her rightly or wrongly are not the best with independents. 
I’m certainly not advocating staying with Uncle Joe but the consequences of going with Harris or leapfrogging her are perilous as well. 
I just can’t believe this country is going to end with the Democrats essentially running around to the Benny Hill Theme. 

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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

No it isn’t. Name recognition matters. There is zero chance that any of those people could GOTV more effectively than Biden. The next 5 months would be all about telling America about who they are and what they’ve accomplished. Sorry but we are past that stage already. We don’t have time to explain who the candidate is and what their policies are. GOTV is all that matters.

Gretchen Whitmer would GOTV like a MF'er.

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What about Dean Phillips? I know fuckall about him except that he was crucified for daring to go against the incumbent. Right about now he must be feeling somewhat vindicated. Isn’t Biden getting exposed like this pretty much exactly what he was saying would happen?

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2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

That's what the convention is for and yes, people will watch after all this.

You think the non clued in voters are going to watch the Dem convention? Go ask 10 people to tell you anything about Whitmer, Booker, or Newsom. 
Joe is old but when those people wonder into a voting booth they need a name they recognize, old or not. 

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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

No it isn’t. Name recognition matters. There is zero chance that any of those people could GOTV more effectively than Biden. The next 5 months would be all about telling America about who they are and what they’ve accomplished. Sorry but we are past that stage already. We don’t have time to explain who the candidate is and what their policies are. GOTV is all that matters.

The election isn't next Tuesday. There is time.

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1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Gretchen Whitmer would GOTV like a MF'er.

No she wouldn’t. No one has any clue who the fuck she is. Why are you pretending that name recognition doesn’t matter in the presidential election?

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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

You think the non clued in voters are going to watch the Dem convention? Go ask 10 people to tell you anything about Whitmer, Booker, or Newsom. 
Joe is old but when those people wonder into a voting booth they need a name they recognize, old or not. 

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2 minutes ago, Texaus said:

What about Dean Phillips? I know fuckall about him except that he was crucified for daring to go against the incumbent. Right about now he must be feeling somewhat vindicated. Isn’t Biden getting exposed like this pretty much exactly what he was saying would happen?

Grifter.  He fucking sucks. 

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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

No she wouldn’t. No one has any clue who the fuck she is. Why are you pretending that name recognition doesn’t matter in the presidential election?

Why are you pretending there aren't 4 months between now and then and literally a billion dollars in advertising?  

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4 minutes ago, Texaus said:

What about Dean Phillips? I know fuckall about him except that he was crucified for daring to go against the incumbent. Right about now he must be feeling somewhat vindicated. Isn’t Biden getting exposed like this pretty much exactly what he was saying would happen?

He sucks. 

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1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Why are you pretending there aren't 4 months between now and then and literally a billion dollars in advertising?  

I wonder why the primaries aren’t held 4 months before the elections?

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4 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This dropped today.  Coincidence I'm sure:

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Goddamit, did she kill her dog too?  

3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

The election isn't next Tuesday. There is time.

I like most of your takes.  But "Hey there's four more months for America to get behind a guy getting really fucking old by the day" isn't a great campaign strategery.  

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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

No it isn’t. Name recognition matters. There is zero chance that any of those people could GOTV more effectively than Biden. The next 5 months would be all about telling America about who they are and what they’ve accomplished. Sorry but we are past that stage already. We don’t have time to explain who the candidate is and what their policies are. GOTV is all that matters.

Hypothetically, who's changing their vote or staying home that was a Biden lock if Whitmer is the candidate? 

Conversely, the voting block of people looking for anyone younger and competent sounding is massive and growing. You think they'd be more likely to vote Biden in November because of (right now awful) name recognition? 

Obvious hypothetical as I understand the incredible difficulty of uniting behind one candidate in short notice.

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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

I wonder why the primaries aren’t held 4 months before the elections?

She's been famous for like a week and half of America knows who Hawk Tuah girl is.  Give Whitmer $1B and four month and let the real pros handle the marketing and every single person will know who she is.

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15 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I think that's also part of the problem.  

I'll admit to moments of "fuck it, burn this mother fucker to the ground".

So far, they've been brief and I come back to my senses, but I highly doubt I'm the only one feeling like that.

I don't think most people realize what they are actually proposing when they think that though.

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Just now, YGIFS said:

Goddamit, did she kill her dog too?  

I like most of your takes.  But "Hey there's four more months for America to get behind a guy getting really fucking old by the day" isn't a great campaign strategery.  

It’s certainly a better idea than trying to American behind someone who’s name they’ve never even heard.

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On 6/28/2024 at 6:31 PM, Michael Knight said:

Trump is 3 years younger than Biden and is insane

Reading this under your avatar is just perfect, a la Thelma and Louise driving off that bluff.  ZOOOOOM!

Your post sounds exactly like something HST would write today if he hadn’t blown his brains all over Owl Creek and had the ashes of what remained of hid brains shot out of a cannon.

 

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If the nomination is up for grabs at the convention that’s an ugly process which will no doubt come off as a shit show mixed with protests about Gaza.  We are fucked. 

Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I like most of your takes.  But "Hey there's four more months for America to get behind a guy getting really fucking old by the day" isn't a great campaign strategery.  

What do you want me to say? It's not ideal. Nothing in this is ideal. But "oh well that's not enough time so I guess we have to run the guy who has trouble completing sentences that no one wants to vote for and is all but guaranteed to lose" is not the better strategy. 

Edit: I think you misunderstood my post.

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Hypothetically, who's changing their vote or staying home that was a Biden lock if Whitmer is the candidate? 

Conversely, the voting block of people looking for anyone younger and competent sounding is massive and growing. You think they'd be more likely to vote Biden in November because of (right now awful) name recognition? 

Obvious hypothetical as I understand the incredible difficulty of uniting behind one candidate in short notice.

Independents. Thats whos staying home. 

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Hypothetically, who's changing their vote or staying home that was a Biden lock if Whitmer is the candidate? 

Conversely, the voting block of people looking for anyone younger and competent sounding is massive and growing. You think they'd be more likely to vote Biden in November because of (right now awful) name recognition? 

Obvious hypothetical as I understand the incredible difficulty of uniting behind one candidate in short notice.

Correct.  Dems could swap out Biden for the Hawk Tuah girl and lose zero votes.

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11 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

I just can’t believe this country is going to end with the Democrats essentially running around to the Benny Hill Theme. 

Seems about right to me, honestly.

 

14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It's not a god damn reality show or American Idol

Isn't it though?  To a large portion of Americans, it absolutely 100% is.

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