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Hey look, more instances of police arresting people for """assaulting an officer""" and then charges failing to materialize for lack of evidence or affidavit. 

It's almost like there's a concerted effort to overstate what protesters are doing to silence their peaceful speech, or something. 

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10 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

You're still mad at the sources when the video shows people wearing hamas headbands, signs posters banners etc. with hamas support?  

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:


 

It’s on the poster front and center.

 

 

Lol... you do realize that posters aren't people, right?  

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How do we feel about settlers protesting humanitarian aid being sent to Gaza by blocking trucks carrying needed goods? Or a masked(!!!) Israeli soldier tipping them off about which trucks carry aid and who happens to also try to physically intimidate an American journalist when caught?

I wonder how many deaths of Palestinian children can be tied to their successful months-long effort in blocking aid. Whatever it is, I'm sure it doesn't come close to the dangers pro-Palestine students are cooking up. /s 

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Lots of anti-war/anti-government protests going on in Israel, too. They're even (gasp) blocking highways! I bet they didn't even have a permit. Someone should pass a law that lets drivers run over them, just like Florida.

Protesters arrested in clashes with police ahead of anti-government rally at Knesset
Brothers in Arms activists accused of planning to set vehicles alight on Route 1; Shikma Bressler leads convoy from Caesarea, says government must go for sake of nation’s survival

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Police and anti-government demonstrators clashed on the main Tel Aviv-Jerusalem highway on Monday morning as activists across the country kicked off a “day of disruption” to mark the start of the Knesset’s summer assembly after a recess that became controversial in wartime.

Monday’s protests will largely focus on calls for the government to resign and hold early elections amid the its failure to bring home the hostages captured by Hamas on October 7 and disagreements over Haredi conscription legislation.

Demonstrators were also rallying over the predicament of the tens of thousands of residents from the north and the south who remain displaced due to attacks from Hezbollah and Hamas, almost eight months on, with no indication as to when they’ll be able to return home.

In anticipation of the main demonstration of the day, which is scheduled to begin outside the Knesset in Jerusalem at 5 p.m., vehicle convoys departed for the capital on Monday morning from points across Israel, including from Caesarea, where Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s home is located.

The convoys merged en route before starting to arrive in Jerusalem at around 2 p.m.

The Brothers in Arms protest group, one of the many anti-government organizations participating in Monday’s demonstrations, said that 13 of its members had been detained after an altercation with the police following an attempt to block traffic near the Sha’ar Hagai Junction on Route 1, which serves as the main artery between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

“This morning, our activists arrived at Sha’ar Hagai, on the mythical road where convoys broke through on the way to Jerusalem,” Brothers in Arms said regarding the clashes, referring to the fierce battles during the 1948 War of Independence when Arab forces blockaded the route.

The activists “stood on the sidelines holding pictures of the hostages and Israeli flags,” the group said. “The activists came with huge signs that carry a clear message: The legacy of the government of destruction will be remembered forever.”

Police and anti-government demonstrators clashed on the main Tel Aviv-Jerusalem highway on Monday morning as activists across the country kicked off a “day of disruption” to mark the start of the Knesset’s summer assembly after a recess that became controversial in wartime.

Monday’s protests will largely focus on calls for the government to resign and hold early elections amid the its failure to bring home the hostages captured by Hamas on October 7 and disagreements over Haredi conscription legislation.

Demonstrators were also rallying over the predicament of the tens of thousands of residents from the north and the south who remain displaced due to attacks from Hezbollah and Hamas, almost eight months on, with no indication as to when they’ll be able to return home.

In anticipation of the main demonstration of the day, which is scheduled to begin outside the Knesset in Jerusalem at 5 p.m., vehicle convoys departed for the capital on Monday morning from points across Israel, including from Caesarea, where Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s home is located.

The convoys merged en route before starting to arrive in Jerusalem at around 2 p.m.

The Brothers in Arms protest group, one of the many anti-government organizations participating in Monday’s demonstrations, said that 13 of its members had been detained after an altercation with the police following an attempt to block traffic near the Sha’ar Hagai Junction on Route 1, which serves as the main artery between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

“This morning, our activists arrived at Sha’ar Hagai, on the mythical road where convoys broke through on the way to Jerusalem,” Brothers in Arms said regarding the clashes, referring to the fierce battles during the 1948 War of Independence when Arab forces blockaded the route.

The activists “stood on the sidelines holding pictures of the hostages and Israeli flags,” the group said. “The activists came with huge signs that carry a clear message: The legacy of the government of destruction will be remembered forever.”

“This is the legacy of the government of destruction,” the statement continued. “Hostages in hell, burned homes and vehicles, abandonment of the residents of the north, time-wasting with the [Haredi conscription] evasion law, and political games at the expense of our forces.

“It is time for the public to rise up and for the government of destruction to disappear.”

Following the altercation on Route 1, the police said that the detained protesters may have been planning to set vehicles on fire to create a long-lasting shutdown of the main road, and released pictures of tires, jerrycans filled with gasoline, planks and rags that they said they found in one of the vehicles of those involved.

Brothers in Arms denied the allegation and, in a statement on X, formerly Twitter, accused the police of lying and of carrying out arrests without evidence.

“The Israel Police has become an executive political tool of an extremist government,” it said. “We will continue with a determined and nonviolent protest to return the mandate to the people. We call on the public to join us until the Knesset is dissolved.”

The protests were expected to represent a diverse range of voices with many of the anti-government groups that emerged in recent years expected to take part, as well as groups formed following the October 7 Hamas terror onslaught in southern Israel and subsequent war in Gaza.

Among the groups participating are Restart Israel, founded to combat the planned judicial overhaul last year; The Change Generation, founded in the aftermath of October 7; Lohamei Kippur, founded by veterans of the 1973 Yom Kippur War; and Women Wage Peace, co-founded in 2014 by Vivian Silver, who was killed by Hamas on October 7.

Before departing for Jerusalem as part of the vehicle convoy, leading anti-judicial overhaul and anti-government protester Shikma Bressler delivered a call to action in Caesarea.

“Today we are doing our utmost, because we understand that in order for this country to continue to exist, this government must go,” she said, holding up an Israeli flag with a yellow ribbon for the hostages tied underneath.

“Our nation has shown many times throughout history, certainly in the last year and a half, that when we work for the common good, when we know and believe in each other and in the righteousness of the path, there’s not a single thing in the world that can stop us,” she said.

In order to ensure that the protest outside the Knesset does not spill over its pre-approved boundaries, hundreds of police officers have been deployed to the area, Channel 12 news reported. However, additional unauthorized demonstrations are expected to crop up regardless, including a planned march from the Knesset to the Prime Minister’s Residence on Azza Street on Monday evening.

Yaakov Godo, whose son Tom Godo was killed by Hamas terrorists on Kibbutz Kissufim in the early hours of October 8 as the IDF fought to regain control, was scheduled to speak on the main stage outside the Knesset on Monday afternoon.

He was to be followed by Ayala Metzger, the daughter-in-law of elderly Hamas hostage Yoram Metzger, and by Yom Kippur War veteran Eyal Yaffe.

 

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

 

Lol... you do realize that posters aren't people, right?  



trying to work around that green headband now just because it’s drawn on their poster? 

There are clips many pages back of campus protestors wearing the hamas headband.  Also the guitar guy next to the hezbollah flag.


 

 

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More on the anti-government/anti-war protests in Israel as moderate Benny Gantz threatens, "If Netanyahu chooses to follow the zealots and lead the nation into an abyss, I will resign from the government."

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5 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Has Netanyahu given an indication of how much longer he expects it to take to get the remaining hostages and root out the rest of Hamas?

Precisely as long as he remains under threat of criminal consequences should his government fall.  So....for the rest of his lifespan.  That's how long this "war" will take.

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6 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Has Netanyahu given an indication of how much longer he expects it to take to get the remaining hostages and root out the rest of Hamas?

Not that I'm aware of. As you know, the IDF began to slow-roll into Rafah after the refugees were forced to flee, but they certainly don't seem to be in any hurry at this point.

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11 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Not that I'm aware of. As you know, the IDF began to slow-roll into Rafah after the refugees were forced to flee, but they certainly don't seem to be in any hurry at this point.

True, but I have no clue how long that takes. I have no clue how big the city (size not population). I'm sure it is dense populated.

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Israeli forces move deeper into Rafah in night of heavy battle
By Nidal Al-Mughrabi
May 22, 20247:11 AM CDTUpdated 3 hours ago



CAIRO, May 22 (Reuters) - Israeli tanks advanced to the edge of a crowded district in the heart of Rafah on Wednesday during one of the most intense nights of bombardment of the southern Gaza city since Israel launched its offensive there this month.
Israel's assault on Rafah on Gaza's southern edge has set hundreds of thousands of people fleeing what had been a refuge for half of the enclave's 2.3 million people. It has also cut off the main access routes for aid into Gaza, drawing international fears of mass casualties and famine.


Israel says it has no choice but to attack the city to root out the last battalions of Hamas fighters it believes are sheltering there. Its troops have been slowly moving into the eastern outskirts of Rafah since the start of the month.
Residents and militants said tanks had taken up new positions on Wednesday further west than before along the southern border fence with Egypt, and were now stationed on the edge of the Yibna neighbourhood at the centre of Rafah. They had not yet entered the district as fighting had been intense.


Hamas's armed wing said it had struck two armoured troop carriers at a gate along the border fence with anti-tank rockets.
Palestinian residents said Israeli drones were firing into the Yibna suburb and had opened fire overnight on fishing boats on the beach of Rafah causing some to catch fire.
"There has been no stopping of Israeli fire all night, from drones, helicopters, warplanes, and tanks," said one resident of Rafah, asking for his name to be withheld to protect his security.
"Tanks made a limited push southeast, still limited but they have advanced under heavy fire all night," he told Reuters via a chat app.
There was no immediate word from the Israeli military on Rafah. It said it had killed a number of fighters in targeted operations in Khan Younis just north of Rafah, and in the northern Gaza Strip where its troops have returned in a major operation in an area where they said they had dismantled Hamas months ago.


UNRWA, the main United Nations agency in Gaza, estimated as of Monday that more than 800,000 people had fled Rafah since Israel began targeting the city in early May, despite international pleas for restraint.
Israel launched its assault on Gaza following a Hamas-led attack on southern Israeli communities on Oct. 7 in which fighters killed 1,200 people and captured more than 250 hostages. Since then, Israel's assault has killed more than 35,000 people, with thousands more feared buried under the rubble, according to Gaza health authorities.


The Israeli military said it had killed a person it identified as Ahmed Yasser Alkara and described as a key Hamas operative, along with two other militants, in a strike in Khan Younis.
"Alkara took part in the Oct. 7 massacre in communities in southern Israel and was a significant anti-tank missile operative who carried out attacks on IDF troops during the war," said the military statement.
The statement also said five other militants were killed and had been operating from inside a school.


In the central Gaza Strip town of Zawayda, an Israeli air strike killed seven people in one house, medics said.


On Gaza's northern edge in Jabalia, the largest of Gaza's eight historical refugee camps, Israeli forces pressed on with a ground offensive that has carried on in parallel with the Rafah assault for two weeks.


Health officials and residents say entire residential districts have been destroyed and dozens of people killed in the operation, in an area where Israel withdrew its forces after claiming to have "dismantled" Hamas in January. Israel says it has had to return to prevent Hamas from re-establishing there.

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50 minutes ago, bolverk said:

More on the anti-government/anti-war protests in Israel as moderate Benny Gantz threatens, "If Netanyahu chooses to follow the zealots and lead the nation into an abyss, I will resign from the government."

*prong horn "look at all these Hamas supporters!"

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28 minutes ago, Bevo said:

True, but I have no clue how long that takes. I have no clue how big the city (size not population). I'm sure it is dense populated.

 

45 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Precisely as long as he remains under threat of criminal consequences should his government fall.  So....for the rest of his lifespan.  That's how long this "war" will take.

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4 minutes ago, Foosters said:

*prong horn "look at all these Hamas supporters!"

Supposing you were only to see what he posts, you'd think anyone who was protesting against the tactics used in the war, against the war itself, against Bibi's government, or simply in favor of a people being entitled to their basic human rights, like self-determination, were all either a) dangerous, bloodthirsty terrorists or b) a bunch of comical, incompetent ninnies.

His Twitter feed must be something wild.

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1 hour ago, PRONG HORN said:

trying to work around that green headband now just because it’s drawn on their poster? 

You literally said, " the video shows people wearing hamas headbands".  

A hastily drawn image on what appears to be a bed sheet does not constitute "people," which is plural by the way.

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 I don't think you can really compare whatever protests are going on in Israel to the dorks on college campuses that barely have any idea what they are even protesting.  I mean those in Israel have just a tad more skin in the game than the purple haired loser going on a 12 hour "hunger strike" or the counter protesting frat bros singing the national anthem.

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1 hour ago, Skipper said:

 I don't think you can really compare whatever protests are going on in Israel to the dorks on college campuses that barely have any idea what they are even protesting.  I mean those in Israel have just a tad more skin in the game than the purple haired loser going on a 12 hour "hunger strike" or the counter protesting frat bros singing the national anthem.

Well, you see, other posters started running out of outrage porn from the college protests as the semester was ending. Hence, they began posting off-campus protest content (and even stuff completely unrelated to any protests) and then got desperate enough to cross the pond to make fun of an autistic activist in Sweden protesting at Eurovision. Now, they have to dig up something from Australia, which also didn't take place on a college campus.

You don't seem to have a problem with other non-college content. Still, you seem to suggest we shouldn't discuss the protests in Israel that actually matter and could possibly influence the events that everyone is protesting/counter-protesting about.

If all you want to do is point and laugh, you're more than welcome to start a "LOL protest pic/vid thread" over in Lulz. That might be fun. There's all sorts of silliness that could be mined from the last 15-20 years, ranging from anti-immigrant rallies to Occupy Wall Street, to Tea Partiers, to BLM, to anti-maskers, to Capitol rioters.

The list goes on and on.

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12 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

You don't seem to have a problem with other non-college content. Still, you seem to suggest we shouldn't discuss the protests in Israel that actually matter and could possibly influence the events that everyone is protesting/counter-protesting about.

Your post 1704 was essentially comparing U.S. protests to Israel with the implication that U.S. protests aren't that over the top comparatively. It's apples to oranges from a "skin in the game" perspective.    Stop pretending you are more objective in your views than the posters you call out.

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5 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Your post 1704 was essentially comparing U.S. protests to Israel with the implication that U.S. protests aren't that over the top comparatively. It's apples to oranges from a "skin in the game" perspective.    Stop pretending you are more objective in your views than the posters you call out.

Lots of anti-war/anti-government protests going on in Israel, too. They're even (gasp) blocking highways! I bet they didn't even have a permit. Someone should pass a law that lets drivers run over them, just like Florida.

No, this language was pointedly mocking Surly dickheads who've repeatedly expressed violent intentions toward protesters with whom they disagree over the years (especially the BLM ones for...inexplicable...reasons), including promoting drivers running down protesters that block intersections/highways or voicing support for states, such as Florida, passing bills that exonerate drivers from doing so. Hell, that doesn't even include posters wanting cops to go in and "crack skulls."

The kicker was simply the image I posted of Israelis marching down a highway showing that, despite being in the middle of a war, they seem much more tolerant of dissent than our hypocritical "free speech" asses.

But, fuck yeah, Israelis have more skin in the game than Americans/Australians/Europeans. Why even discuss any protests outside of Israel at this point? Shouldn't we talk about the ones that matter and not the narcissistic sideshows?

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Precisely as long as he remains under threat of criminal consequences should his government fall.  So....for the rest of his lifespan.  That's how long this "war" will take.

This is, of course, the real answer. Which Bevo will ignore in perpetuity.

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is, of course, the real answer. Which Bevo will ignore in perpetuity.

Of course I will ignore it. Israel will have 75% fewer troops in Gaza within 6 months and if Iran is able to continue to smuggle weapons into Gaza beyond 6 months, Israelis will tire of troop deaths within 2 years. And that is if Netanyahu has occupation plans which remains to be seen.

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18 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Of course I will ignore it. Israel will have 75% fewer troops in Gaza within 6 months and if Iran is able to continue to smuggle weapons into Gaza beyond 6 months, Israelis will tire of troop deaths within 2 years. And that is if Netanyahu has occupation plans which remains to be seen.

I'm not sure how you can ignore the fact that Bibi faces serious prison time if he loses power as if that doesn't heavily weigh into his motivations.

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm not sure how you can ignore the fact that Bibi faces serious prison time if he loses power as if that doesn't heavily weigh into his motivations.

 

If Netanyahu keeps the coalition intact he will stay in power and he is in no imminent danger of the coalition slipping away. That is his motivation.

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1 hour ago, Bevo said:

 

If Netanyahu keeps the coalition intact he will stay in power and he is in no imminent danger of the coalition slipping away. That is his motivation.

Ok, and how do you think he does that? Without a perpetual enemy he has no power.

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34 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Ok, and how do you think he does that? Without a perpetual enemy he has no power.

Actually, it is the war that could cause Netanyahu to lose power. Some of the issues facing the coalition are:

Israelis in the North can't return to their homes because of Hezbollah. Hezbollah won't stop firing while Israel is in Gaza.

Ultra-Orthodox parties will bolt Netanyahu’s government if he advances the mandatory conscription of yeshiva students. This issue moves down in importance if Israel pulls out of Gaza.

Saudi Arabia has conditioned normalization on Israel ending the Gaza war.

The coalition wants to ensure Israel has secured control of Gaza. While the war is going on, Netanyahu can't claim that Gaza is secure.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Actually, it is the war that could cause Netanyahu to lose power. Some of the issues facing the coalition are:

Israelis in the North can't return to their homes because of Hezbollah. Hezbollah won't stop firing while Israel is in Gaza.

Ultra-Orthodox parties will bolt Netanyahu’s government if he advances the mandatory conscription of yeshiva students. This issue moves down in importance if Israel pulls out of Gaza.

Saudi Arabia has conditioned normalization on Israel ending the Gaza war.

The coalition wants to ensure Israel has secured control of Gaza. While the war is going on, Netanyahu can't claim that Gaza is secure.

 

Pretty much agree.

It seems to me he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. A couple of years ago, he made his deal (with the devil, in my opinion) by hitching his wagon to the zealots and their maximalist policy demands, such as refashioning the judiciary and expanding illegal territorial claims. He wouldn't have won reelection without those guys and might be in jail now. Still, they're also forcing him to over-commit to a war of conquest (again, in my opinion) at the expense of getting the hostages back and making a peace deal, however temporary it might be.

As we're seeing with the protests, public opinion in Israel appears to be turning against him. At the same time, the patience of a previously sympathetic international community has been worn out through the brutal conduct of the war. If he caves to international pressure, the hostage families, and their anti-government allies, he loses the extremists. If he doesn't wrap up the war soon, he loses everyone but the hardliners, but it seems the only way to win it quickly would be to abandon any hope of getting the hostages and just leveling what's left of the Strip. Obviously, he loses all remaining goodwill from his international allies. In any case, he risks losing power and facing trial.

I'm not sure I see a winning scenario for him unless Hamas somehow capitulates overnight, which I don't see happening since they obviously know time is on their side and don't have the burden of fretting (over the short-term, at least) over Palestinian casualties or public opinion.

At this point, he might as well just do what's right, which (yet again, in my opinion) is inflicting the least amount of death and suffering on innocents, whether they be Israeli hostages or Palestinian civilians. Given his history of cynically propping up Hamas to weaken the Palestinian Authority so that he can always have a threat to point at and play the tough guy, I doubt he has that in him.

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4 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

You see how their arms are raised at a familiar angle? 

 

 

🤯 you cracked the code! By that logic a video of any audience at a mega church during singalong time is filled with Nazis……hey you actually might be on to something here.

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@Bevo, I'll add one last point to my previous post. No matter how inflexible Bibi has always been with regard to negotiating a two-state solution, I never considered him an extremist. He made the classic mistake, though, that lots and lots of politicians do when they sense vulnerability, which is thinking they can ally with and control extremists to keep power. In Netanyahu's case, he made bargains (of sorts) with two sets of extremists on opposing sides, foolhardily thinking he could play the two off one another, but that's now clearly backfired and he's painted himself into a blood-red corner.

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45 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who's we?  Her and the voices in her head?

Prong, I'm not sure which world you live in but it ain't the real one.

You must go through life constantly petrified. 

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10 hours ago, bolverk said:

@Bevo, I'll add one last point to my previous post. No matter how inflexible Bibi has always been with regard to negotiating a two-state solution, I never considered him an extremist. He made the classic mistake, though, that lots and lots of politicians do when they sense vulnerability, which is thinking they can ally with and control extremists to keep power. In Netanyahu's case, he made bargains (of sorts) with two sets of extremists on opposing sides, foolhardily thinking he could play the two off one another, but that's now clearly backfired and he's painted himself into a blood-red corner.

 

I agree with this, and, yes, he probably is cornered, but ending the Rafah incursion, getting some of the hostages back, killing some Hamas, and claiming victory should go a long way towards appeasing both sides.

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Good to see the looneys, that include self-proclaimed Republicans turned to the left like fictional character Will McAvoy, have been let out of their cages to invade this thread like a pack of brain damaged hyenas. Keep fighting the good fight, bolverk. You’re oblivious that you’re the anti-Prong Horn but significantly worse. 

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On 5/23/2024 at 10:18 AM, PRONG HORN said:

 

Where are the photos of this young boy carrying jugs to collect water?

 

On 5/27/2024 at 7:44 PM, Poester said:

Colleges produce a lot of narcissists these days. What pieces of shit. 

it's beautiful.  rich kids role playing oppressed people.

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(the graph is sourced from here https://ash.harvard.edu/programs/crowd-counting-consortium/ )

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