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1 hour ago, KingBobo81 said:

I was really hoping the scheduling philosophy would change with a new regime…this is gross.

The overall schedule is better, but I think the problem people continue to have is that the "marquee games" are too often being played at neutral sites/tournaments or away. Season ticket holders don't get excited to watch us play UConn and Duke on TV.

We hosted UConn last year and Gonzaga/Creighton like 3 years ago. Outside of that, the marquee non-con games at Moody have been pretty much non-existent.

I also wonder what would get people excited when you have 13 non-con games. You are going to have creampuffs on there. Every team does and those are always at home. If we swapped out Southern for Michigan State, would that one game get people that much more excited? Or are they expecting like 3-4 notable home opponents?

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I think Maui will stay because people like tradition and nostalgia, but I see that Players Era tournament overpowering Maui.

And yes, if you swapped Southern for Michigan State people would be excited because Michigan State is a power name in basketball. Now if you swapped Southern for Minnesota, I don't think people would be that much more excited.

I go back and forth if the saying of “no one wants to come play Texas at Texas” still rings true like it does for the Women’s team. Barnes used to say that as well but he had connections and he would get those teams into H/H contracts. 

I’m just still a little peeved that Duke got us again in what seems to be a one-time game basically playing them at a “neutral” (really home) site and we probably won’t get anything in return. 

 

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The overall schedule is better, but I think the problem people continue to have is that the "marquee games" are too often being played at neutral sites/tournaments or away. Season ticket holders don't get excited to watch us play UConn and Duke on TV.
We hosted UConn last year and Gonzaga/Creighton like 3 years ago. Outside of that, the marquee non-con games at Moody have been pretty much non-existent.
I also wonder what would get people excited when you have 13 non-con games. You are going to have creampuffs on there. Every team does and those are always at home. If we swapped out Southern for Michigan State, would that one game get people that much more excited? Or are they expecting like 3-4 notable home opponents?

I think we have probably discussed this ad nauseam, but the philosophy of gaming the NET system by beating the shit out of the worst teams is a terrible fan experience - that is literally the entire home schedule except for the forced matchup with Virginia. A few cream puffs…ok, but at least schedule some teams with a pulse in place of these bottom of the barrel teams.

You should have at least one home marquee non conference matchup (and yes, I would get much more excited) at minimum. It is embarrassing the prices season ticket holders pay for a Nov/Dec schedule like we have had the last two seasons.
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My biggest problem is that we play all of these shitty teams from all over the country at home.  If you are going to play shit teams at least make them local.  UTEP, UTSA, UTA, UNT, Rice, Lamar, Tarleton could all be played in place of all 8 of those home games with little difference in outcome.  Or better yet do some 2 for 1 contracts with inferior teams that would be great travel destinations for the fans.

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56 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

A little better than ours but we got the Maui

The big thing is that somebody (TV, I guess) is offering up more money to put the game somewhere neutral, for bigger attendance, which means more profit, than a home game. 

Feels like 80% of the time when these big non-conf matchups get announced, it's immediately designated at a neutral site. 

I will give UConn some credit - Hartford is at least close to Storrs (35 min) and Boston and MSG are pretty easy to get to from Connecticut (1.5 hours to Boston and 3.5 to NYC)

Gampel (UConn's home arena) seats 10k
XL is 16k
MSG is 19,500
TD Garden is also 19,500

Tournaments, like Maui, Players Era and Champions Classic, are different, they are almost always somewhere neutral. But the one-off or two-year non-conf matchups are going more and more neutral site. 

Lastly, Moody isn't yet a big name place to play, at least in terms of reputation.  Teams want to play at Allen Fieldhouse, Cameron Indoor, the Dean Smith Center, Rupp, etc. because they are prestigious and hallowed. 

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No joke we should play an Ivy League team at home every year rather than these random, no-name schools. It would be nice for the local Ivy alumni associations and good for the Texas Exes to have a joint alumni event with them. Penn, Princeton and Harvard have been the bellweather programs in that conference and Cornell has made the Tournament in the past 15 years. The premier public Ivy should play the OG Ivies.

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And no one is going to show up to see us play Harvard

Jesus Christ. 

 

The purpose of the schedule is to set us up for a great seed come tournament time for Miller’s first season. That will hopefully lead to a great showing in the tournament which leads to better recruiting which leads to continued success. Continued success allows you to play with your schedule more.

 

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20 hours ago, Macklemore said:

No joke we should play an Ivy League team at home every year rather than these random, no-name schools. It would be nice for the local Ivy alumni associations and good for the Texas Exes to have a joint alumni event with them. Penn, Princeton and Harvard have been the bellweather programs in that conference and Cornell has made the Tournament in the past 15 years. The premier public Ivy should play the OG Ivies.

Huh?

Yale made the tournament in 2016, 2019, 2022, 2024, and 2025 and pulled off first-round upsets in two of those tournaments (2016, #5 Baylor; 2024, #4 Auburn).

They've represented the Ivy League in one-third of the sample size you chose and you didn't even include them. Dafuq?

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8 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

Huh?

Yale made the tournament in 2016, 2019, 2022, 2024, and 2025 and pulled off first-round upsets in two of those tournaments (2016, #5 Baylor; 2024, #4 Auburn).

They've represented the Ivy League in one-third of the sample size you chose and you didn't even include them. Dafuq?

Brain fart on my part forgetting to mention Yale’s recent success. Historically it was always Penn and Princeton but both have fallen off significantly, especially Penn, which has been dog shit ever since Fran Dunphy left.

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And no one is going to show up to see us play Harvard
Jesus Christ. 
 
The purpose of the schedule is to set us up for a great seed come tournament time for Miller’s first season. That will hopefully lead to a great showing in the tournament which leads to better recruiting which leads to continued success. Continued success allows you to play with your schedule more.
 

While I hope the latter part comes true, I don’t think beating a bunch of teams ranked in the 300s does anything to help with seeding.
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10 hours ago, KingBobo81 said:

I don’t think beating a bunch of teams ranked in the 300s does anything to help with seeding.

If only we played in a good conference to make up for that.  

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If only we played in a good conference to make up for that.  

With a much smaller margin for error on W/L because the committee doesn’t care you beat Maryland Eastern Shore
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I think fans get too much in their feels about non-conf schedules in year 1 of a new coach 

We play UConn, Duke and in Maui. We also play a Virginia team with a brand new coach, like us. That wasn’t our choice, we don’t decide the SEC/ACC matchups 

Otherwise, this team has a new coach, new staff, a ton of transfers and the goal in year 1 is to make the tournament. Expecting this team to jell with a murderer’s row of non-conf scheduling is pie in the sky. 

Like Pancho said, Miller needs to instill his culture in year 1, have some success and stack some wins, make the tournament and then you can start demanding better non-conf schedules. 

We made the tournament last year with a pretty abysmal non-conf schedule (not much better than this year’s) and a super flawed roster with really mediocre coaching - had we not blown some of those games we had leads, or didn’t show up against bad teams, we likely have a much better seed than we did.  We upgraded the roster and the coaching. 

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52 minutes ago, KingBobo81 said:


With a much smaller margin for error on W/L because the committee doesn’t care you beat Maryland Eastern Shore

The committee let us and OU in last year with 6-12 conference records and horrible non conference schedules. We played the 3 worst KenPom teams in the country in non con play. #362, #363 and #364.

Teams with that resume should never be in the field of 68 but the committee allowed it.

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4 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

The committee let us and OU in last year with 6-12 conference records and horrible non conference schedules. We played the 3 worst KenPom teams in the country in non con play. #362, #363 and #364.

Teams with that resume should never be in the field of 68 but the committee allowed it.

Yep. And 1 more win in the regular season would have had us in the field of 64 instead of the play-in. 

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I guess for me it is just a value proposition. I’m not asking for a murderer’s row of OOC games but it would be nice to feel like as ticket holders, we aren’t getting completely ripped off by paying thousands of dollars a pop for two months of games that probably have a value of $5-$10.

Probably a tired argument on my part…I just miss having early season games that bring an excited crowd/carry some crowd energy/excitement going into conference play.

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