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1 hour ago, KingBobo81 said:

I was really hoping the scheduling philosophy would change with a new regime…this is gross.

The overall schedule is better, but I think the problem people continue to have is that the "marquee games" are too often being played at neutral sites/tournaments or away. Season ticket holders don't get excited to watch us play UConn and Duke on TV.

We hosted UConn last year and Gonzaga/Creighton like 3 years ago. Outside of that, the marquee non-con games at Moody have been pretty much non-existent.

I also wonder what would get people excited when you have 13 non-con games. You are going to have creampuffs on there. Every team does and those are always at home. If we swapped out Southern for Michigan State, would that one game get people that much more excited? Or are they expecting like 3-4 notable home opponents?

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I think Maui will stay because people like tradition and nostalgia, but I see that Players Era tournament overpowering Maui.

And yes, if you swapped Southern for Michigan State people would be excited because Michigan State is a power name in basketball. Now if you swapped Southern for Minnesota, I don't think people would be that much more excited.

I go back and forth if the saying of “no one wants to come play Texas at Texas” still rings true like it does for the Women’s team. Barnes used to say that as well but he had connections and he would get those teams into H/H contracts. 

I’m just still a little peeved that Duke got us again in what seems to be a one-time game basically playing them at a “neutral” (really home) site and we probably won’t get anything in return. 

 

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The overall schedule is better, but I think the problem people continue to have is that the "marquee games" are too often being played at neutral sites/tournaments or away. Season ticket holders don't get excited to watch us play UConn and Duke on TV.
We hosted UConn last year and Gonzaga/Creighton like 3 years ago. Outside of that, the marquee non-con games at Moody have been pretty much non-existent.
I also wonder what would get people excited when you have 13 non-con games. You are going to have creampuffs on there. Every team does and those are always at home. If we swapped out Southern for Michigan State, would that one game get people that much more excited? Or are they expecting like 3-4 notable home opponents?

I think we have probably discussed this ad nauseam, but the philosophy of gaming the NET system by beating the shit out of the worst teams is a terrible fan experience - that is literally the entire home schedule except for the forced matchup with Virginia. A few cream puffs…ok, but at least schedule some teams with a pulse in place of these bottom of the barrel teams.

You should have at least one home marquee non conference matchup (and yes, I would get much more excited) at minimum. It is embarrassing the prices season ticket holders pay for a Nov/Dec schedule like we have had the last two seasons.
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My biggest problem is that we play all of these shitty teams from all over the country at home.  If you are going to play shit teams at least make them local.  UTEP, UTSA, UTA, UNT, Rice, Lamar, Tarleton could all be played in place of all 8 of those home games with little difference in outcome.  Or better yet do some 2 for 1 contracts with inferior teams that would be great travel destinations for the fans.

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56 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

A little better than ours but we got the Maui

The big thing is that somebody (TV, I guess) is offering up more money to put the game somewhere neutral, for bigger attendance, which means more profit, than a home game. 

Feels like 80% of the time when these big non-conf matchups get announced, it's immediately designated at a neutral site. 

I will give UConn some credit - Hartford is at least close to Storrs (35 min) and Boston and MSG are pretty easy to get to from Connecticut (1.5 hours to Boston and 3.5 to NYC)

Gampel (UConn's home arena) seats 10k
XL is 16k
MSG is 19,500
TD Garden is also 19,500

Tournaments, like Maui, Players Era and Champions Classic, are different, they are almost always somewhere neutral. But the one-off or two-year non-conf matchups are going more and more neutral site. 

Lastly, Moody isn't yet a big name place to play, at least in terms of reputation.  Teams want to play at Allen Fieldhouse, Cameron Indoor, the Dean Smith Center, Rupp, etc. because they are prestigious and hallowed. 

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No joke we should play an Ivy League team at home every year rather than these random, no-name schools. It would be nice for the local Ivy alumni associations and good for the Texas Exes to have a joint alumni event with them. Penn, Princeton and Harvard have been the bellweather programs in that conference and Cornell has made the Tournament in the past 15 years. The premier public Ivy should play the OG Ivies.

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And no one is going to show up to see us play Harvard

Jesus Christ. 

 

The purpose of the schedule is to set us up for a great seed come tournament time for Miller’s first season. That will hopefully lead to a great showing in the tournament which leads to better recruiting which leads to continued success. Continued success allows you to play with your schedule more.

 

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20 hours ago, Macklemore said:

No joke we should play an Ivy League team at home every year rather than these random, no-name schools. It would be nice for the local Ivy alumni associations and good for the Texas Exes to have a joint alumni event with them. Penn, Princeton and Harvard have been the bellweather programs in that conference and Cornell has made the Tournament in the past 15 years. The premier public Ivy should play the OG Ivies.

Huh?

Yale made the tournament in 2016, 2019, 2022, 2024, and 2025 and pulled off first-round upsets in two of those tournaments (2016, #5 Baylor; 2024, #4 Auburn).

They've represented the Ivy League in one-third of the sample size you chose and you didn't even include them. Dafuq?

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8 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

Huh?

Yale made the tournament in 2016, 2019, 2022, 2024, and 2025 and pulled off first-round upsets in two of those tournaments (2016, #5 Baylor; 2024, #4 Auburn).

They've represented the Ivy League in one-third of the sample size you chose and you didn't even include them. Dafuq?

Brain fart on my part forgetting to mention Yale’s recent success. Historically it was always Penn and Princeton but both have fallen off significantly, especially Penn, which has been dog shit ever since Fran Dunphy left.

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And no one is going to show up to see us play Harvard
Jesus Christ. 
 
The purpose of the schedule is to set us up for a great seed come tournament time for Miller’s first season. That will hopefully lead to a great showing in the tournament which leads to better recruiting which leads to continued success. Continued success allows you to play with your schedule more.
 

While I hope the latter part comes true, I don’t think beating a bunch of teams ranked in the 300s does anything to help with seeding.
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10 hours ago, KingBobo81 said:

I don’t think beating a bunch of teams ranked in the 300s does anything to help with seeding.

If only we played in a good conference to make up for that.  

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I think fans get too much in their feels about non-conf schedules in year 1 of a new coach 

We play UConn, Duke and in Maui. We also play a Virginia team with a brand new coach, like us. That wasn’t our choice, we don’t decide the SEC/ACC matchups 

Otherwise, this team has a new coach, new staff, a ton of transfers and the goal in year 1 is to make the tournament. Expecting this team to jell with a murderer’s row of non-conf scheduling is pie in the sky. 

Like Pancho said, Miller needs to instill his culture in year 1, have some success and stack some wins, make the tournament and then you can start demanding better non-conf schedules. 

We made the tournament last year with a pretty abysmal non-conf schedule (not much better than this year’s) and a super flawed roster with really mediocre coaching - had we not blown some of those games we had leads, or didn’t show up against bad teams, we likely have a much better seed than we did.  We upgraded the roster and the coaching. 

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52 minutes ago, KingBobo81 said:


With a much smaller margin for error on W/L because the committee doesn’t care you beat Maryland Eastern Shore

The committee let us and OU in last year with 6-12 conference records and horrible non conference schedules. We played the 3 worst KenPom teams in the country in non con play. #362, #363 and #364.

Teams with that resume should never be in the field of 68 but the committee allowed it.

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4 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

The committee let us and OU in last year with 6-12 conference records and horrible non conference schedules. We played the 3 worst KenPom teams in the country in non con play. #362, #363 and #364.

Teams with that resume should never be in the field of 68 but the committee allowed it.

Yep. And 1 more win in the regular season would have had us in the field of 64 instead of the play-in. 

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I guess for me it is just a value proposition. I’m not asking for a murderer’s row of OOC games but it would be nice to feel like as ticket holders, we aren’t getting completely ripped off by paying thousands of dollars a pop for two months of games that probably have a value of $5-$10.

Probably a tired argument on my part…I just miss having early season games that bring an excited crowd/carry some crowd energy/excitement going into conference play.

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trying to game the system by playing teams in the 300 is weak and cowardly and is not mindset or attitude of winning programs. you add the fact that it screws the fans who now pay basketball-specific money, and the fact that it does nothing to improve our team, and it’s just all around horse shit. i’d rather just not even have those games just not take place at all. 

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It’s Miller’s first season. We don’t know what went on behind the scenes with the schedule. Maybe there were some games we had on the schedule that went away after RT got fired or maybe Miller couldn’t get certain teams to commit to a H/H….or maybe he was trying to get a name team as a home game and they insisted Texas play at their place first. 

Bottom line is there could be reasons we don’t know why there isn’t a “marquee” name other than UVA on the home schedule. Maybe that question will get asked by a reporter when basketball season starts. 

We don’t know that this will be a theme with Miller because it’s year 1. There are other behind the scenes things that influence scheduling that nobody on this website knows about unless @closetojumping has insight.

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2024 Xavier played Wake, Michigan, South Carolina and Cincinnati (TCU in the Big 12/Big East)

2023 Xavier played Purdue, UW, St Mary’s and Cincinnati UH in the Big 12/Big East)

3-4 marquee games and then whatever school you get in the challenge. He just happened to have Duke be a “neutral” game, UConn being the away part of our 2 game series and playing in Maui. Or else it would be pretty much in line with his scheduling the last few years?

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it just sucks going from 17 years of barnes schedules to now a decade of this bullshit. we used to play nova, ucla, unc, wake, uconn, sparty, memphis, and more, often 2, 3, 4 of them in one schedule, and since barnes left it’s been nothing but naia teams. it honestly pisses me off to no end, as does the “we’re gaming the system, this will help us get into the tourney” argument. we shouldn’t need help getting into the tourney in the first damn place. what a weak ass mind frame, especially at Texas. we schedule like a perennial bubble team that needs as many automatic wins as it can get, and that’s just bullshit, on many different levels.

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Well, our noncon schedule wasn't an automatic barrier to a high seed.  According to KenPom, Maryland's was worse, and they finished #10 in his final rankings as a 4 seed.

I'm not even going to pretend I understand KenPom the way Derka does, I'm just pointing out some anecdotal evidence.  Of course, they also went 27-9 overall against somewhat weaker conference competition too, so none of this is particularly easy to unravel.  I mean, 27-9 is a helluva lot better than 19-16.  I'm willing to think this season is a bit of an anomaly until proven otherwise.  That Moody Center ain't gonna fill itself.

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I'm with derka. We schedule non-conference like absolute pussies and its bullshit. I don't give a fuck how our current approach "games" the system. I'd rather play a respectable slate of games then worry about a one or two seed diff in the tournament. And if a couple of more early losses means we miss out on the tourney, the team probably ain't worth a shit anyway.

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4 hours ago, Pancho said:

It’s Miller’s first season. We don’t know what went on behind the scenes with the schedule. Maybe there were some games we had on the schedule that went away after RT got fired or maybe Miller couldn’t get certain teams to commit to a H/H….or maybe he was trying to get a name team as a home game and they insisted Texas play at their place first. 

Bottom line is there could be reasons we don’t know why there isn’t a “marquee” name other than UVA on the home schedule. Maybe that question will get asked by a reporter when basketball season starts. 

We don’t know that this will be a theme with Miller because it’s year 1. There are other behind the scenes things that influence scheduling that nobody on this website knows about unless @closetojumping has insight.

I don’t have any insight but I know who would. 

Gerry can tell anyone who asks what he’s heard on future scheduling philosophy. He talks to the Texas staff daily.

Bobby can tell us if CDC is hearing it from people about the shitty noncon games at home. 

I could ask someone with direct access and who is likely decidedly irritated by the home schedule, but that would be cashing in a chip better used for something during the season, I think. 

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4 hours ago, Js1 said:

2024 Xavier played Wake, Michigan, South Carolina and Cincinnati (TCU in the Big 12/Big East)

2023 Xavier played Purdue, UW, St Mary’s and Cincinnati UH in the Big 12/Big East)

3-4 marquee games and then whatever school you get in the challenge. He just happened to have Duke be a “neutral” game, UConn being the away part of our 2 game series and playing in Maui. Or else it would be pretty much in line with his scheduling the last few years?

 

Yeah, I think it’s just timing. That’s all. I don’t think this is Miller giving us a shitty home slate on purpose. I was also hoping we’d get Nawf Carolina or NC State at home for the SEC/ACC thing. 

It’s too early to determine if this is his scheduling philosophy. I’m betting there were things behind the scenes that we don’t know about. It’s also possible that this is just one of those years where we play all the name teams in a tournament or neutral. I think with more tournaments coming on board, more and more teams will see their home schedule be shit unless you’re one of the big 5.

 

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2 hours ago, Blotto said:

I'm with derka. We schedule non-conference like absolute pussies and its bullshit. I don't give a fuck how our current approach "games" the system. I'd rather play a respectable slate of games then worry about a one or two seed diff in the tournament. And if a couple of more early losses means we miss out on the tourney, the team probably ain't worth a shit anyway.

My initial assumption is still that we were already locked into Maui and the UConn away game after hosting them when Miller was hired. A lot of schools seems to be committed to Players Era or other tournaments or their own 2 year home/away teams and may have told us no, too late to get you on the schedule now. 

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We were definitely locked into Maui. There was no getting out of that. 

We have to do the return trip to Connecticut 

We got lucky and go a home game in the SEC/ACC thing, it just sucks that we got Virginia who isn’t nearly as good as they used to be. 

Couple that with the Duke “neutral site” (which I’d love to see how we got selected to be Duke’s opponent on that) and there you go. 

 

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8 hours ago, KingBobo81 said:

I guess for me it is just a value proposition. I’m not asking for a murderer’s row of OOC games but it would be nice to feel like as ticket holders, we aren’t getting completely ripped off by paying thousands of dollars a pop for two months of games that probably have a value of $5-$10.

Probably a tired argument on my part…I just miss having early season games that bring an excited crowd/carry some crowd energy/excitement going into conference play.

That's a completely different goalpost, and makes a much better argument.  

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12 hours ago, Pancho said:

We were definitely locked into Maui. There was no getting out of that. 

I was gonna ask why would you want to get out of it and then I saw the list of teams. NC State will probably be a tough team, but besides y'all the rest is oof and probably a feelsbad if you don't win.

I know the players usually love these kinds of things but you'd hope to play a bit tougher field for sure.

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41 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I was gonna ask why would you want to get out of it and then I saw the list of teams. NC State will probably be a tough team, but besides y'all the rest is oof and probably a feelsbad if you don't win.

I know the players usually love these kinds of things but you'd hope to play a bit tougher field for sure.

USC was more intriguing as a potential opponent before the Arenas injury. Not a stacked field - that’s Players Era by far. Hopefully Texas gets an invite to that on the men’s side within a few seasons where we show some real success and gobble up some talent

Backing out would have looked shitty and I bet we wouldn’t have found comparable opponents this late from the ACC, Mountain West or B1G to replace possible matchups with NCST, Boise, USC

It is what it is for a year 1 schedule where Miller inherited a tournament and a road trip to UConn. 

The Duke game was announced June 9 so that was all Miller. Still think we got Virginia because it is two first year coaches at new schools

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13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

USC was more intriguing as a potential opponent before the Arenas injury. Not a stacked field - that’s Players Era by far. Hopefully Texas gets an invite to that on the men’s side within a few seasons where we show some real success and gobble up some talent

Backing out would have looked shitty and I bet we wouldn’t have found comparable opponents this late from the ACC, Mountain West or B1G to replace possible matchups with NCST, Boise, USC

It is what it is for a year 1 schedule where Miller inherited a tournament and a road trip to UConn. 

The Duke game was announced June 9 so that was all Miller. Still think we got Virginia because it is two first year coaches at new schools

NC State is the most intriguing matchup there by far, imo. They pulled in a lot of talent for this year.

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Let's not kid ourselves, our home schedule is always trash.  As an example, lets look at the 3-year stretch from 2001-2004 that was our best in program history (Final Four and two Elite 8s).  This is who we played outside of conference those years.

2001-2002

  • Home:  Arizona (10), Providence (86), McNesse St (138), UT RVG (161), Wash St (203), Jacksonville (206), TAMU CC (245)
  • Away: Stanford (12), Utah (55), UNLV (75)
  • Neutral / Preseason Tourney: Indiana (6), Gonzaga (25), Oregon St (109)

2002-2003

  • Home: Princeton (139), Louisiana Tech (172), SFA (181), UTA (211), McNeese St (215), Mt St Mary's (299)
  • Away: Arizona (1)
  • Neutral / Preseason Tourney: Georgia (13), Notre Dame (17), Seton Hall (58), George Washington (128)

2003-2004

  • Home: George Washington (64), New Orleans (156), Centenary (182), Brown (203), UTA (222), Wofford (270), SHSU (274)
  • Away: Providence (28)
  • Neutral / Preseason Tourney: Duke (1), Arizona (29)

That's right. ONE home game against a team in the top-50 over that 3-year stretch.  Granted, we played more teams in the 100-200 range, but I hate that.  You can lose those games and it kills your seeding, but you get no credit for the wins. 

On the plus side, we played a good number of elite teams. But they were hardly ever at home.

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20 hours ago, HookEm said:

Let's not kid ourselves, our home schedule is always trash.  As an example, lets look at the 3-year stretch from 2001-2004 that was our best in program history (Final Four and two Elite 8s).  This is who we played outside of conference those years.

2001-2002

  • Home:  Arizona (10), Providence (86), McNesse St (138), UT RVG (161), Wash St (203), Jacksonville (206), TAMU CC (245)
  • Away: Stanford (12), Utah (55), UNLV (75)
  • Neutral / Preseason Tourney: Indiana (6), Gonzaga (25), Oregon St (109)

2002-2003

  • Home: Princeton (139), Louisiana Tech (172), SFA (181), UTA (211), McNeese St (215), Mt St Mary's (299)
  • Away: Arizona (1)
  • Neutral / Preseason Tourney: Georgia (13), Notre Dame (17), Seton Hall (58), George Washington (128)

2003-2004

  • Home: George Washington (64), New Orleans (156), Centenary (182), Brown (203), UTA (222), Wofford (270), SHSU (274)
  • Away: Providence (28)
  • Neutral / Preseason Tourney: Duke (1), Arizona (29)

That's right. ONE home game against a team in the top-50 over that 3-year stretch.  Granted, we played more teams in the 100-200 range, but I hate that.  You can lose those games and it kills your seeding, but you get no credit for the wins. 

On the plus side, we played a good number of elite teams. But they were hardly ever at home.

yeah.... that didnt happen

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And while those schedules aren't spectacular, at least the bad teams were mostly ranked in the 200's. Last year, there were a ton of complete shit teams ranked in the 300's. Those games aren't remotely competitive as our best player will probably make more in NIL than the entire roster of some of these cupcakes. I doubt the team gains much from those ass beatings. They probably get more out of practice. 

 

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I’m more interested to see how the team plays against the mediocre and lowly opponents. Will the team look completely outclassed against UConn again or duke as in years past or will they be competitive. 

Will they play consistently in both halves or have to make second half comebacks to win or just fall short in the sec games. I’m ready for the new era to begin. 

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23 hours ago, HookEm said:

Let's not kid ourselves, our home schedule is always trash.

i’ve watched nova, ucla, sparty (multiple times), unc (at least three times), uconn, wake forest, arizona, lsu, tennessee, florida, and more here in austin, and all but one of those games (unc shaka’s first year) took place ~15-20 years ago, if not more. 98% of the best non-con games i’ve gotten to be a part of happened pre-shaka. as a lifelong, die hard Texas Basketball fan, this sucks. if they do this bullshit again next year they need to slash season ticket prices. i hope that moody is empty this fall. embarrassingly so.

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27 minutes ago, Derka said:

i’ve watched nova, ucla, sparty (multiple times), unc (at least three times), uconn, wake forest, arizona, lsu, tennessee, florida, and more here in austin, and all but one of those games (unc shaka’s first year) took place ~15-20 years ago, if not more. 98% of the best non-con games i’ve gotten to be a part of happened pre-shaka. as a lifelong, die hard Texas Basketball fan, this sucks. if they do this bullshit again next year they need to slash season ticket prices. i hope that moody is empty this fall. embarrassingly so.

Yep. Michigan State too. It was awesome having Gonzaga and Creighton at Moody in Year 1.

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2 hours ago, Derka said:

i’ve watched nova, ucla, sparty (multiple times), unc (at least three times), uconn, wake forest, arizona, lsu, tennessee, florida, and more here in austin, and all but one of those games (unc shaka’s first year) took place ~15-20 years ago, if not more. 98% of the best non-con games i’ve gotten to be a part of happened pre-shaka. as a lifelong, die hard Texas Basketball fan, this sucks. if they do this bullshit again next year they need to slash season ticket prices. i hope that moody is empty this fall. embarrassingly so.

Can you hazard a guess on the number of those games per season?  I suspect it's not more than 2 most years, and 1 sometimes.  That's not really a call for slashing season ticket prices, at least not to me.

I would think we could schedule up the dregs so they're still pretty sure wins but they're not in the 300+ range.  That will help in multiple ways.

Hoping Moody is empty is a terrible take.  I mean, that penalizes the team, badly.

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I hope Moody is full, even for the shit teams. 

Texas fans are so “cater to me” it’s just crazy. It reminds me of those who wanted to go to the Pac12 just for “cool roadtrips for the fans” and not thinking of the bigger picture. The Pac12 would have been terrible for our other sports. 

It’s Miller’s first year, Jesus Christ. If he’s still doing this type of home scheduling in year 3 or 4, then you have more evidence to make the conclusion that this is what he wants and can criticize Miller himself, and rightly so. 

I’m just not going to get bent out of shape at this home schedule in year 1 of a new coach. 

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

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i also hope the us loses the world cup because of donald trump. i’ll gladly take the hit today to make things better in the long term. 

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Texas fans are so “cater to me” it’s just crazy.

yeah, our dumbass football fans are, but the fans of the other sports are absolutely not. we have mostly great, loyal, long time, non-bandwagon fans getting season tickets for the other sports. the university tells the people who want Texas Basketball season tickets that they have to make an extra donation to do so, only to see the program schedule a bunch of naia teams for the moody center, and you’re talking shit about the fans being so “cater to me” for not being happy about that? gtfoh. terrible take.

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

It’s Miller’s first year, Jesus Christ

and that’s relevant how? we’ve been scheduling like this for over a decade. this isn’t about sean miller, it’s about the athletic department/program giving the loyal home fans bullshit schedules for longer than we can remember. 

also, what does it being his first year have to do with anything? what’s the logic behind excusing a home schedule like this because it’s his first year? he needs a TAPPS home schedule before he gets his feet wet in Austin? why? what about it being his first year makes it necessary to fill the schedule with teams ranked in the 300’s? sean miller needs a mulligan year before we schedule teams in the top 150-225 instead? 

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The goal of the program should be to make the tournament every year, and have a legitimate chance to compete for the title.  Having a home schedule that makes the fans happy doesn't necessarily preclude that, but when roster turnover is what it is, having easily winnable games in a friendly environment early in the season may further the cause more so than coin flip games against marquee programs.  Miller having opportunities to experiment with lineups without having to risk losses is a beneficial thing.  We will have plenty of games on the schedule to boost RPI and KenPom numbers.  

I know many won't agree with this take, and I'm not even sure that I do, but I do see the logic in it, even if it isn't what I want.  That said, there should be a way to achieve a happy medium where we can find a way to squeeze in a home and home with a blue blood.  

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