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1 minute ago, BrazilHorn said:

Watching the midwest regional and it silly how shitty the ND team is. An avg Texas LL team smokes these fools. 

Yeah, they are getting smoked. 

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44 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

Watching the midwest regional and it silly how shitty the ND team is. An avg Texas LL team smokes these fools. 

Yep they need to reconfigure the regionals based on population. That way they can seem fair while really doing it for competitive reasons.

California and Texas should have 4 teams in the regional round instead of 2 if North Dakota has 1. Florida should probably have 2 or 3. Et cetera.

Hell they could get the regionals to be awesome and even with 8 teams in each of the 10 regionals by adding extra teams from the highest population states until they get to 80. Then you would hope not to have teams like this North Dakota squad in a televised regional championship game.

But then again this was one of the only 8 team regionals, maybe they just ran out of steam. A little crazy that in a regional with Minnesota, Missouri, and Wisconsin the last 3 teams were the Dakotas and Nebraska. 

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1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

Yep they need to reconfigure the regionals based on population. That way they can seem fair while really doing it for competitive reasons.

California and Texas should have 4 teams in the regional round instead of 2 if North Dakota has 1. Florida should probably have 2 or 3. Et cetera.

Hell they could get the regionals to be awesome and even with 8 teams in each of the 10 regionals by adding extra teams from the highest population states until they get to 80. Then you would hope not to have teams like this North Dakota squad in a televised regional championship game.

But then again this was one of the only 8 team regionals, maybe they just ran out of steam. A little crazy that in a regional with Minnesota, Missouri, and Wisconsin the last 3 teams were the Dakotas and Nebraska. 

until 2020 LLWS midwest/upper midwest type states had 5 world champ game finalists(Mich 1, Ill 2, Ind 2 all before 1973). in 2021 Mich played Ohio in the final.

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After taking advantage of a lucky draw in the regional, Richmond Lamar got a terrible draw in Williamsport. They did not get a bye and if they win their first game they play Hawaii coming off a first round bye so will face the best pitcher the West champs have to offer. 

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Watching Panama and Australia and this Austrialia coach needs to be launched into the sun. His pitcher who is practically crying on the mound has thrown like 18 straight balls. 3 runs on wild pitches so far. Almost beans a kid.  The coach doesn’t call time out nothing.  This kid is in full meltdown mode and he sucks as a pitcher as well but damn coach 

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1-0 CT.   Difficult to find  better pitching by both teams.    Hope Lamar does not let 1 loss become 2.   2 days to recover.

Conn vs Hawaii,  Friday, 6PM

Lamar vs MA/SCar, Sat, 2PM

(if I am reading the bracket right)  

 

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8 minutes ago, torre said:

1-0 CT.   Difficult to find  better pitching by both teams.    Hope Lamar does not let 1 loss become 2.   2 days to recover.

Conn vs Hawaii,  Friday, 6PM

Lamar vs MA/SCar, Sat, 2PM

(if I am reading the bracket right)  

 

It seems strange to me that both Hawaii and Northwest  first games are against teams that played today. Is this thing seeded and some teams get a bye?

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1 minute ago, TonyTexas said:

It seems strange to me that both Hawaii and Northwest  first games are against teams that played today. Is this thing seeded and some teams get a bye?

Have to defer to @Huckleberry who also deserves credit for starting this thread.    I don't understand either.

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It's a 10-team double elimination tournament and so only 4 teams play first round games and 6 get byes. Main reason going from 16 in Williamsport to 20 was dumb. It's not pool play.

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7 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

It seems strange to me that both Hawaii and Northwest  first games are against teams that played today. Is this thing seeded and some teams get a bye?

The bye is weird. Looks like random draw for the teams that got byes 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

The bye is weird. Looks like random draw for the teams that got byes 

I was wondering how the fuck the teams could be accurately seeded. 

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I always thought this was bullshit that we rig this to have an American team in the final.   

Mix up the whole thing so everybody plays everybody.  If the last 4 end up being all teams from outside the US, so be it.

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96% of LL players play in the United States and LL allows differences in structure, etc. in the international regions. It's plenty fair that it's rigged that way, even if it's actually just for TV.

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3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

96% of LL players play in the United States and LL allows differences in structure, etc. in the international regions. It's plenty fair that it's rigged that way, even if it's actually just for TV.

I remember a couple of years ago the team from Japan was basically a baseball academy. The announcers were like "They do 12 hours a day of infield practice" or some shit. Huge difference from typical US LL team which I think is another reason the LLWS is set up how it is.

 

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51 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

I remember a couple of years ago the team from Japan was basically a baseball academy. The announcers were like "They do 12 hours a day of infield practice" or some shit. Huge difference from typical US LL team which I think is another reason the LLWS is set up how it is.

 

Yep, and the current setup is the only way to ensure a United States championship game which is important not just because USA!USA!USA! but because the American leagues are playing by different rules as you note.

In fact it is explicitly against the rules for US leagues to enter an intact select team.

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There is nothing to keep our kids from taking infield 12 hours a day, if they were so inclined, they just won't do it.   

Which by the way, I don't believe for one second they're taking infield 12 hours a day.  They've got math and other shit to do. 

Also, our squads are made up of all-star teams representing that entire little league community.  It's not some innocuous team thrown together at the beginning of the year.

The separation to ensure an American final may have been set up that way back in the day because baseball wasn't as global, but now we haven't progressed only because ABC knows that people in Indiana aren't going to watch a Venezuela/ Korea Final.  And especially they're afraid if we went into a dry spell for ten years without an American team in the final, interest would decline and damage the industry.  It's a business decision.  It has nothing to do with competitive fairness.

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They don’t play perfect but it’s always insane to me how few mental mistakes the Japanese teams make for being 11-13. Both runners on 2nd and 3rd were smart enough to hold on not risk an out on that weird infield flare. 

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16 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

I was wondering how the fuck the teams could be accurately seeded. 

Yeah, this is from the Little League site FAQ when expansion happened:

Will the format of the Little League Baseball World Series (modified double-elimination) change now to single elimination with more teams?

No. Playing just one game at any of our World Series tournaments would not provide enough of the once-in-a-lifetime experience Little League players and their families deserve. With the expansion, some baseball teams will be randomly assigned a “bye” game, to fit into a modified double-elimination schedule.

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I was thinking the opposite of some of you.  Keep the format, but make the final 2 out of 3.

 Let’s squeeze every nickel from the fruit of profit of these little fuckers that we can.

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1 hour ago, AbeFroman said:

There is nothing to keep our kids from taking infield 12 hours a day, if they were so inclined, they just won't do it.   

Which by the way, I don't believe for one second they're taking infield 12 hours a day.  They've got math and other shit to do. 

Also, our squads are made up of all-star teams representing that entire little league community.  It's not some innocuous team thrown together at the beginning of the year.

The separation to ensure an American final may have been set up that way back in the day because baseball wasn't as global, but now we haven't progressed only because ABC knows that people in Indiana aren't going to watch a Venezuela/ Korea Final.  And especially they're afraid if we went into a dry spell for ten years without an American team in the final, interest would decline and damage the industry.  It's a business decision.  It has nothing to do with competitive fairness.

You are implying that the structure of American Little Leagues is the same as international ones, which is not even close to true. Taiwan once withdrew because they could not meet the requirement that school based leagues can only draw from a school with 1000 students or fewer. The team representing them this year is from a school with a population of 2400. The 1000 limit still applies to United States leagues.

Additionally, United States leagues' tournament teams are not allowed to practice or even name their roster until May 15th. Japan is playing games already by early May with practice starting weeks before that. Australia's tournaments start in April. International teams have months of extra practice as teams compared to American teams following the rules. 

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I guess America is the victim here.  I didn’t realize we were getting played by Australian and Japanese starting dates.

 Especially our country that has every kid, whether ll or select, going to batting cages and personal pitching trainers year round. Not to mention the select kids that suddenly become little league kids when the time is right. 
 

We are at no disadvantage in any baseball league at any level, compared to other countries. None.  We have so many amenities and open opportunities. 
 

This is not the Aguilar brothers or Lupus from Bad News Bears or the Sandlot.

 A lot of these kids get private instruction.  Most of these kids are getting instruction other countries probably don’t have. Outside of Japan.

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I'm not sure why you want it to be one way so bad, I'm just informing you that it isn't that way. Little League has lost millions of American players because of the restrictions on practices per week, not allowing teams to be formed by selection (must be drafted), etc. And I have no problem with those rules because Little League does a great job at serving communities and providing a place for any child to play baseball. It isn't elite level baseball because it shouldn't be that. 

However, those and other structural limitations are not enforced on all international leagues. In some places Little League is the option for elite baseball and that's okay because one of LLI's goals is spreading and growing the game. I have zero issues or complaints about the differences, I am just letting you know what they are. In other nations there are not nearly the number of additional organized baseball options that American kids have. 

But because of those realities it is 100% valid that the American teams play to an American championship. They are playing a different game (organizationally) than the international leagues. And logistically the only way to run the LLWS to a World Championship but also have a United States Championship is to have the US winner play an international winner. So that's what they do. 

The funny part is that you are the one who cares way too much about who wins a baseball tournament for 12-year-olds. The reason I'm okay with that part of the setup is specifically because it isn't that important who wins the last game. If the international teams beat the US then okay. 

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No, not at all, I don't care who wins.  This was conversational, though I would like to see a Texas team win, so maybe I do.

"They are playing a different game (organizationally) than the international leagues. And logistically the only way to run the LLWS to a World Championship but also have a United States Championship is to have the US winner play an international winner."

This is where we disagree.  We could do a full on mixed bracket.  These countries have no advantage over the United States, and an American championship to me is not as important as the overall.

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These Taiwanese kids look old as fuck. One said his favorite athlete was Jeremy Lin, another said Usain Bolt. There’s exactly 0 people under the age of 20 that have heard of those guys.

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1 hour ago, Helobious said:

These Taiwanese kids look old as fuck. One said his favorite athlete was Jeremy Lin, another said Usain Bolt. There’s exactly 0 people under the age of 20 that have heard of those guys.

You're right, why the fuck would a kid from Taiwan look up to a Taiwanese-American who played in the NBA and currently plays for the New Taipei Kings of the Taiwanese Professional Basketball League. And another likes a guy regarded as the greatest sprinter of all-time. Kids hate running fast.

You are the dumbest fucking twat to ever shadow the earth.

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