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41 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Eastern Europe is going to splinter. Watch Russia start a stronger PR campaign about it. Already starting in Germany. 

That's really disappointing, coming from a former Soviet satellite. I'd be fine with giving them all a one-way bus ticket to Russia.  

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I believe it. If the Russians were having any decent success in stopping them, it’d be all over Russian social media.

Its incredibly interesting that the Russians continue to lob missiles and artillery at civilian targets well behind the fighting.  I get that they don’t want to hit their own guys, but there’s got to be a shit-ton of Ukrainian military targets they could hit instead.  

Very incompetent.  And it’s got to make the Russian soldiers wonder why those missiles or artillery aren’t being used to support the, dir3clty, 8nstead of hitting things like apartment buildings well behind the lines, or civilian garages, etc.

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3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I believe it. If the Russians were having any decent success in stopping them, it’d be all over Russian social media.

Its incredibly interesting that the Russians continue to lob missiles and artillery at civilian targets well behind the fighting.  I get that they don’t want to hit their own guys, but there’s got to be a shit-ton of Ukrainian military targets they could hit instead.  

Very incompetent.  And it’s got to make the Russian soldiers wonder why those missiles or artillery aren’t being used to support the, dir3clty, 8nstead of hitting things like apartment buildings well behind the lines, or civilian garages, etc.

If the average Russian soldier even knew it was happening, I suppose they'd wonder.  But I doubt they have much of a clue about it.  I'd feel sorry for them, if they weren't so busy raping and torturing the civilians of Ukraine.

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43 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Eastern Europe is going to splinter. Watch Russia start a stronger PR campaign about it. Already starting in Germany. 

There are people whose families were all off in those areas 30 years ago (or think they were) who do have fond memories of pre-1990s Eastern Europe, but If Russia continues to perform poorly and gets pushed out of the post-February holdings by Ukraine, I can’t see them being too popular.

And there is the Putin factor.  Because Putin has disposed of the stronger potential rivals to his power, whoever follows him will need the support of the oligarchs, and those dudes will be pushing hard for Russia to make peace with everybody and get the IKEAs and real McDonalds back.

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13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Very incompetent.  And it’s got to make the Russian soldiers wonder why those missiles or artillery aren’t being used to support the, dir3clty, 8nstead of hitting things like apartment buildings well behind the lines, or civilian garages, etc.

Only letting this slide because it's opening week of CFB. Drink on, fuck Putin and ou.

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45 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

There are people whose families were all off in those areas 30 years ago (or think they were) who do have fond memories of pre-1990s Eastern Europe, but If Russia continues to perform poorly and gets pushed out of the post-February holdings by Ukraine, I can’t see them being too popular.

And there is the Putin factor.  Because Putin has disposed of the stronger potential rivals to his power, whoever follows him will need the support of the oligarchs, and those dudes will be pushing hard for Russia to make peace with everybody and get the IKEAs and real McDonalds back.

Yes and no. The one thing I learned in Bosnia (95-98) is their vision of history is way different. "My grandfather fought, and because he fought we had this, therefore I fight." A lot of Hungarians, East Germans, Poles, and others drank Kremlin Kool Aid (Trademark on the band name). They just remember that when their family supported (and was supported by the Russians) they lived better.

A very good friend is dating a Romanian tax attorney in Austin. Smart, lived in the US for about 10 years. Chick is full on anti-Ukraine. Dad was someone of minor importance in the regime. Had access to the resorts where others could not go. Regime fell, lost all that access. I cannot talk to her. We are polite, but I shut off my Ukraine filter when with her. And that is how she is raising her son.  

 

58 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I believe it. If the Russians were having any decent success in stopping them, it’d be all over Russian social media.

Its incredibly interesting that the Russians continue to lob missiles and artillery at civilian targets well behind the fighting.  I get that they don’t want to hit their own guys, but there’s got to be a shit-ton of Ukrainian military targets they could hit instead.  

Very incompetent.  And it’s got to make the Russian soldiers wonder why those missiles or artillery aren’t being used to support the, dir3clty, 8nstead of hitting things like apartment buildings well behind the lines, or civilian garages, etc.

Well they are using maps drawn by Laika. 

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This was mentioned earlier, but there’s chatter that the rail bridge is finished, and that when combined with other bridges and pontoons being knocked out, that Russia can’t reinforce much, if anything, from Crimea.  Not just from the eastern side of the Dnipro either, but from Crimea proper, and reinforcements and supplies would have to come from the NE (which would strain the LPR/DPR logistics chains).  There’s also video floating around of Ukrainian soldiers walking around remnants of a Russian pontoon bridge, which would be huge if they made it to the Dnipro, but the OSINT folks haven’t pinned that one down yet.

X-Files Santa GIF by Sean Solomon
 

But we need to wait for official or better confirmation, which could take a while. Ukrainians are doing a good job of keeping things in the dark.

 

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1 hour ago, cactusflinthead said:

That speaks directly to the speed of this offensive and the impatience of the observers in the West. Precise and deliberate.

They are still shelling Kharkiv as we speak, even though they can’t take it, unless maybe they take troops from the south, which they can’t do.  There is no military purpose in shelling Kharkiv, and they will need those working gun barrels and ammo elsewhere, but maybe Ye Olde Soviet Doctrine still rules the day, or they are just assholes who have given up trying to accomplish anything and are trying to destroy everything they can’t have.  Or both.

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Watched the whole video and two things stand out

  1. Some of them are insane, which helps sell the message if you actually believe it.
  2. These people are probably more in the loop about what is happening with Special Military Operation in Ukraine, and they are absolutely terrified of Ukraine, and terrified of Russia losing there.

 

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-se ... 59?mod=mhp

Ukraine Sees Many Ways to Hurt Russia in Kherson Offensive
A string of small fights is more likely than a massed attack as Kyiv protects its troops
A front line in the Mykolaiv region this week as Ukraine's forces sought gains in the south.
A front line in the Mykolaiv region this week as Ukraine's forces sought gains in the south. PHOTO: DIMITAR DILKOFF/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
By Daniel MichaelsFollow
in Brussels and James MarsonFollow
in Kyiv
Sept. 3, 2022 7:10 am ET

Ukrainian officials say their military’s southern offensive is going slowly. They also say that is precisely the plan.

The announcement Monday of a thrust in the south raised hopes that Ukraine could reclaim territory Russia seized early in the war, including the regional capital of Kherson.

But success could take many shapes, say officials and Western analysts. Even without quickly regaining much ground, Kyiv can achieve progress by forcing Russia to expose its troop locations and supply bases, take a defensive posture and thereby appear weak or pull troops from other parts of the country. Ukraine can also gain intelligence about Russian formations, vulnerabilities and will to fight.

Ukrainian officials say they have neither the armor nor the manpower to make a quick advance. Instead, the military aims to weaken front-line Russian forces while also using long-range artillery and rockets, such as Himars provided by the U.S., to hit critical installations behind Russian lines such as command posts and ammunition depots.

Kherson sits on the west bank of the Dnipro River, which Russian troops must cross to enter, resupply or leave the city. Ukraine’s military says its strikes on bridges across the Dnipro and the smaller Inhulets River to the city’s northeast have largely cut supply lines to Russian forces in the city.

Russia has roughly 20,000 troops in and around Kherson, Western officials estimate, cautioning the figure isn’t precise. Trapping them could potentially force a surrender, allow Ukraine to decimate them or force them to flee. Whatever happens, Ukraine hopes to retake Kherson without having to engage in bloody street fighting.

Oleksiy Arestovych, a Ukrainian presidential adviser, called the strategy “the systemic grinding of Putin’s army.” He said Kyiv’s forces are working “to uncover their operational logistical supply system and destroy it with artillery and Himars,” a process that can take time.

“There’s no rush,” he said.

While Ukraine ultimately wants to evict Russian forces from Kherson—the city’s occupation is one of Moscow’s most significant gains since invading on Feb. 24—Kyiv could still boast of success if it retakes towns outside the city, captures or kills a large number of Russian troops or compels some to retreat.

The Kherson offensive also represents an element of Ukraine’s broader strategy to strain Russia’s entire invasion force, from around Kharkiv in the northeast to Crimea on the Black Sea.

By attacking in so many places, “you keep the Russians wondering where the Ukrainians are going to strike next,” said retired U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Stephen Twitty. “You want an unpredictable fight to keep the Russians on their heels.”

Gen. Twitty, who participated in Operation Desert Storm, said not to expect a massed attack.

“We’re going to see multiple locations of small units, which is going to wreak havoc on the Russians and is a great way to fight,” he said. But he cautioned: “In this type of fighting, you have to take a long-term perspective.”

Ukraine’s fighters may advance and pause to prepare for a subsequent attack, said Billy Fabian, a former U.S. Defense Department analyst. “You’re always thinking about the next operation.”

Ukrainian forces will move slowly because they are attempting an operation that military planners consider exceedingly difficult: dislodging an entrenched defender without overwhelming force or air superiority. Kyiv has a limited number of skilled or veteran troops and must deploy them across a vast front line. Ukrainian commanders want to put at risk the smallest number of troops possible.

Attempting “a deliberate storming of Kherson city would likely be a mistake,” said Jack Watling, a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank, in an analysis posted Friday.

Instead, Ukraine is capitalizing on the region’s geography, aiming to push Russian troops against riverbanks. Ukrainian forces appear to be advancing on land from the north and west while increasing the tempo of strikes on bridges and supply facilities. Their goal is to starve Russian forces of supplies while closing in on them.

Long-range weapons such as the U.S.-supplied Himars have allowed Ukraine to reach behind Russian lines.

“We need the enemy to be unable and unwilling to resist effectively,” said Mr. Arestovych, the Ukrainian presidential adviser.

Russian attempts to retreat across the rivers would make rich targets for Ukrainian drones, rockets and artillery.

Ukrainian forces appear already to have retaken some small towns outside Kherson, according to open-source intelligence reports. Gen. Twitty said the incremental gains count as a tactical success because “these little towns mean a lot” to Ukrainians, who see compatriots liberated, and to Kyiv’s Western backers, who want to see progress against Russia.

Ukraine’s larger strategic objective of regaining its land and repelling Russian forces is vital because the war is likely to end in some form of negotiation, Gen. Twitty said.

“The long-term perspective is, the more gains Ukraine can make, the better off they will be at the negotiating table,” he said.

WSJ article on offensive. I think Ukraine realizes time is on their side, and that allows them to do fight like this. 

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