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7 hours ago, Born to Run said:

My pops owned a pet Peking duck. Cool pet. She would hammer every avaliable June Bug. So that saying is valid.
The only thing about em, is the old saw about June bugs going through a duck is also very, Very true.

They eat em quick and shit em right back out like myself after an Alsups Burrito and a 32 Oz Miller Highlife.

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13 hours ago, Parliament said:

It was posted awhile back that the best target is the locomotives.  Rails can be put back together.  Loco's not so much.  Kinda hard to hit a moving train though.

Wouldn’t a javelin, NLAW, whatever they have on hand do the trick? I guess getting close enough might be a bit dicey, but trains can’t dodge and can’t shoot back. So if you could post up on the tracks in front of the train, it’d be damn near impossible to miss

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3 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

Wouldn’t a javelin, NLAW, whatever they have on hand do the trick?

If you can get close enough, yeah.  The trains they need to hit are well behind Russian lines, and you can bet that the Russkies are guarding their rail lines as much as possible.  As much as we hear about partisan assassinations and scouting, it is notable that we don't hear much about Russkie train "accidents".  I'm sure the partisans try, but obvious targets will be tough targets.

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10 hours ago, Born to Run said:

My pops owned a pet Peking duck. Cool pet. She would hammer every avaliable June Bug. So that saying is valid.
The only thing about em, is the old saw about June bugs going through a duck is also very, Very true.

They eat em quick and shit em right back out like myself after an Alsups Burrito and a 32 Oz Miller Highlife.

We had a pet duck, too. It was a mallard that we incubated from an egg. It loved chameleon lizards. We had it fenced from our main yard. Unfortunately, once it learned how to fly, it flew into our backyard where our shorthair pointer was. Hunting dogs and fowl don’t make great housemates. Anyway, my mom just told us that it flew away.

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11 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


1)…..I sure hope you’re right. Not from a foreign invader….but we’re damned well capable of doing horrific shit to ourselves.

2) seeing that vid of the Ukrainian soldier in tears from liberating his hometown of Kherson…man, imagine that. Imagine marching back in to Austin. Battered, broken in places. No power, few resources. But you march back in to your home town as a liberator. You walk down Congress. Broken windows. Bullet holes. You reach the Capitol, where the occupiers’ flag was just lowered. Our flag is raised. Your home. Now free. Yeah, that’s gotta be one of the most emotional experiences imaginable.

Not the same, but I remember the first time I moved back to Texas from Oklahoma.

Crossing the Red River and seeing "Welcome to Texas", surrounded by Texas license plates, and the Longhorn shaped rest stops.  A stress or burden you never knew was there is just lifted off your shoulders, lifting your spirits because you are home. 

When someone says a foreign invader, I used to think of Mexico or Canada. Typical American. That concept changed when we went to Manderscheid, in Rhineland, Germany. Two castles ~ 1,000 years old about 1,000 feet apart, separated by a shallow valley with a wooded creek in the middle. Still hard to grasp that Eurasians have been fighting over the same "dirt" for thousands of years. But it's not just the dirt, it's the descendents of generations of dead soldiers, raped women, murdered parents, and orphaned children.

Fuck Russia.

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Bakhmut feels like it’s shaping up to be Ukraine’s Battle of the Bulge - Russia is expending an enormous amount of men and equipment for very little gains, and like the Germans it’s costing them far more than anything they’ve gained, and from the Russian social media, they are just throwing waves of the recently mobilized at dug-in, we’ll-trained and highly-motivated Ukrainians.

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6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Bakhmut feels like it’s shaping up to be Ukraine’s Battle of the Bulge - Russia is expending an enormous amount of men and equipment for very little gains, and like the Germans it’s costing them far more than anything they’ve gained, and from the Russian social media, they are just throwing waves of the recently mobilized at dug-in, we’ll-trained and highly-motivated Ukrainians.

It makes no sense at all. They don't have to get out of the line. Wait until those sad mothers get to where they are dialed in to a kill zone and unleash hell upon them. It's WW1 stupidity levels. 

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48 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

It makes no sense at all. They don't have to get out of the line. Wait until those sad mothers get to where they are dialed in to a kill zone and unleash hell upon them. It's WW1 stupidity levels. 

Task and Purpose can be hit or miss, but they talk about it, and there’s some interesting comments:

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The story around Bakhmut is definitely one of the most complicated, I'm just gonna name a few important factors why this battle is happening at this scale:

a) It does hold a bit of symbolic value: After Bakhmut was captured by separatists and then recaptured in 2014, it became very important for the 2014/2015 war as it was the biggest city on the Ukrainian side close to the battlefield with hospitals and other relevant infrastructure. It was then renamed from Artemivsk to Bakhmut in 2015 to eradicate the links to communism and indirectly Russia - the Russians still call it by its Soviet name of Artyomovsk. So, in short, there's a slight Stalingrad situation going on here, where Bakhmut is a bit of a red rag for the Russians.

b) Russia's minimum goal for the war in Ukraine has been (since the withdrawal from Kyiv in early April) to control all of the Donbas (aka Donetsk and Luhansk oblast) plus Crimea, and this minimum goal probably hasn't changed since then. So there's a bit of a "we have to take Bakhmut anyway, come hell or high water" logic going on here that keeps them trying.

c) Bakhmut is relatively good to defend, so it's worth holding on to rather than recapture it later, even if you pay a slightly higher price for it.
d) Since the fall of Lysychansk in early July, Ukraine hasn't lost any settlement that is remotely close in size to Bakhmut, so losing it would seriously weaken the current narrative of "Russia tries to attack in all kinds of directions, but Ukraine is able to repel ANY attack nowadays and is the only side able to advance". So in a way, Bakhmut has become for important for Ukrainian morale after their successful counteroffensives. For the same reason, capturing it would be a boost for Russian morale.

e) It is somewhat convenient for the Ukrainians after recapturing Lyman in early October, since they can now move the army via the Lyman-Bakhmut-Horlivka railway in a very short time, so it's now part of an easy-to-supply frontline that the Russians would really like to break. Before the liberation of Lyman, Bakhmut (and Lyman) were the potential salients of a pincer movement for the Russians

. f) Bakhmut is one of few suitable targets for the Wagner group. Since Wagner is made up of all kinds of criminals, Russia isn't really keen on mixing them with regular units, so they are assigned an isolated area of the frontline. With Russian command structures, Wagner units also can't participate in large scale operations together with the rest of the Russian army. Bakhmut is really the only place were the Russians can use Wagner, since a) the Ukrainians wouldn't really profit from a breakthrough at Bakhmut, so holding the line, elastic defense and so on is less important than in other areas and b) unlike in other areas of the front, Russia is not aiming for a deep operation that would require cooperation, since breaking through all of the Ukrainian defenses quickly is impossible in this area. Thus, Bakhmut is a good isolated target that doesn't need coordination between tens of thousands of troops to attack.

g) Pro-Russian media outlets have actively tried to hype up Bakhmut as the "battle the main stream media doesn't want to tell you about" and the next big victory for the Russians, so withdrawing would take some explaining. Ultimately, Russia itself probably couldn't answer why exactly Bakhmut is important - for Ukraine, it is quite convenient to defend Bakhmut since Russia is wasting a disproportionate amount of troops there. We've probably reached a point were fighting has gone on so long that neither side wants to back down anymore out of principle, especially when you have lost as many troops as Russia.

 

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How long until Putin sidelines him?  Because as paranoid as Putin is, no way this guy keeps raising his profile, even if Putin is using him against the oligarchs.  If some kind of critical mass is reached where his popularity shoots through the roof, Putin orders him to personally lead the troops in Ukraine.

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7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

How long until Putin sidelines him?  Because as paranoid as Putin is, no way this guy keeps raising his profile, even if Putin is using him against the oligarchs.  If some kind of critical mass is reached where his popularity shoots through the roof, Putin orders him to personally lead the troops in Ukraine.

 

 

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