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Guessing the Baylor game is cancelled. 

Also we finish KU, @ Tech, @ ISU, @ OU, @ TCU

We really need a 3-2 record in there, but a 4-1 would be a lot better. 

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4 hours ago, ztejas said:

There's a good chance Kansas smacks this team tonight. I don't like doubting Vegas but... I'm not sure about that one. 

Yeah, this smells like a jayhawk revenge win against a group of individuals wearing TEXAS jerseys...

Heard on the radio that this is the last TEXAS home game this season -- DAMN !!!

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4 hours ago, VinyVango said:

I'm an old school X-O's guy, but do appreciate the psychology element required to manage a roster of college kids, especially those who believe they are just killing time before their childhood NBA dreams are fulfilled.  

That said, it bothers the hell out of me that all of Shaka's answers to press conference questions about what needs to change, what went wrong, what went right, etc... are answers like "we need to play for each other"... or "stay in the moment", rather than things like "our movement on offense stopped ... we quit driving the paint... we started jacking up ill-advised, quick three pointers as soon as we got a lead"...  He could be just trolling, but it reeks of a guy who needs to read a few John Wooden books with pictures.

you forgot "we need to stay connected".

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2 hours ago, ztejas said:

You claimed that he's had a "whole lot of" sub 25% FG and 5 turnover "type" games when he hasn't had one game even somewhat resembling that this season. Yes, he has had poor shooting outings. No one is debating that. In the 8 games you are now listing (and I wouldn't consider 4/11 from the field and 4/4 from the line with 0 turns "dogshit") he averaged just under 1.4 turnovers a game. So no, your assessment wasn't really accurate at all. You're just throwing out stupid, easily fact-checked misinformation. 

My bad dude. I should have been more specific and said "he turns in a lot of 2-15 with 2 turnovers in double OT loss type outings"

You totally got me!

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On one hand we need a win, on the other hand KU no doubt would like to pay us back for that ass beating we doled out in Lawrence earlier. 

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Looking at the past 5 games, I'm tempted  to take the KU moneyline at +135. If we win, I'm happy and if we lose I'm not as pissed off. Just seems like KU is playing better ball lately and our team can't figure out a way to get the shaka stank off of 'em. If we run out to a 10 point lead, I'll be taking the in-game KU ML for sure, just not sure if I'll bet it before the game starts. 

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14 hours ago, Machinator said:

 

See, with those makeup games if we lost out all of those and lost the first game in the tournament I could see us missing the tourney. Don’t think we will lose all those games but it’s possible. 

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1 minute ago, Wulaw Horn said:

See, with those makeup games if we lost out all of those and lost the first game in the tournament I could see us missing the tourney. Don’t think we will lose all those games but it’s possible. 

Ha- I’m an idiot. I went to bed down double digits and didn’t check the score. 
tournament ticket punched for sure now. I love being in the tournament. For 3 or 4 days one can dream about a hot streak happening that leads to our 1 shining moment. It’s such a crapshoot. Hell- Shaka took a team that probably didn’t deserve to be in the tournament to a final 4. Anything can happen. 

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21 hours ago, VinyVango said:

I'm an old school X-O's guy, but do appreciate the psychology element required to manage a roster of college kids, especially those who believe they are just killing time before their childhood NBA dreams are fulfilled.  

That said, it bothers the hell out of me that all of Shaka's answers to press conference questions about what needs to change, what went wrong, what went right, etc... are answers like "we need to play for each other"... or "stay in the moment", rather than things like "our movement on offense stopped ... we quit driving the paint... we started jacking up ill-advised, quick three pointers as soon as we got a lead"...  He could be just trolling, but it reeks of a guy who needs to read a few John Wooden books with pictures.

I think I've said this before on here, but I've been to coaching clinics where Shaka is a presenter and he's very detailed in his presentations. I've watched him diagram plays with Larry Brown and they're both on the same wavelength; the issue with Shaka is that he plays everything very close to the vest with reporters. He gives them coach-speak because he doesn't want any opponents to get any details - which is dumb because we all have access to Synergy and other analytics sites now, but whatever - so he talks in generalities in most of his press conferences. About the only time he doesn't do this is when they would have the sideline reporter catch him before halftime and ask him a very specific question ("Why is player X getting to the rim so much against you", etc) and he'll say something more specific, but it's not in his nature to talk in specifics to the general public. It hurts him for this exact reason, guys like you only see him speak in vague answers and so your opinion is formed by that. I've watched him coach the team and he gets on them about footwork angles, defensive stance, downing screens, etc., in very specific terms. I've watched him talk with other high-level coaches and be just as fluent as them. He's got it in him, and he would do well to show that to the general public more often. I think this is one of the reasons other coaches view him in a much more positive light than Texas fans, they see this and most of us don't.

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2 hours ago, Bitterwhiteguy said:

It hurts him for this exact reason, guys like you only see him speak in vague answers and so your opinion is formed by that.

I think our opinions are mostly informed by the awful product he has put on the floor for 6 years now. I honestly couldn't care less what he has to say to the media.

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Agree, people getting mad at what Shaka says in press conferences are just looking for something to get worked up about. Plenty of great coaches have bullshit press conferences. The actual basketball that's played says it all.

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Mack basically regurgitated buzz words and bullshit for his entire tenure ("explosive plays!") but we didn't tire of it until he started losing more than he was winning.   Then it just became a running joke.

I don't really give a shit what he says in his PCs, I don't even watch them.  I just see what is posted on twitter by the AAS and other outlets.  

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with other coaches- good coaches, established coaches- it's very easy to draw the conclusion that they're simply playing things close to the vest with those coach speak types of answers and statements. with Shaka, i genuinely question how much of it is him doing that, and how much of it is simply that he doesn't have anything substantive to say. remember, Shaka was 37 years old when he got this job, and his only previous HC experience was at a mid major where he didn't actually have a great resume/record. i seriously question how much substance he even has to offer in the way of basketball wisdom and knowledge. 

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plus, after 17 years of Barnes being the most open and honest coach out there, i definitely got used to that, and i much prefer that style. i never questioned whether or not Rick was aware of our problems and what needed to be done to fix them, because he was always so candid and honest with his comments. so put me in the camp of someone who much prefers it that way to Shaka's way. 

edited to add- all coaches use coach speak at one time or another. Shaka Smart is the only coach i've ever seen- in any sport- who exclusively uses coach speak, platitudes, and buzz words. nearly six years in and his next honest/substantive remark will be his first. 

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Coaches are teachers, first and foremost. I'm sure that Shaka knows the sport as well as any high-major coach but being able to instruct players on how to execute his vision on a high level in this conference doesn't seem to be a strength of his. Of course, his philosophy for winning basketball doesn't seem to be particularly great, either.

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Texas up 2 spots in NET to #21 - KU down 1 to #17

But I clearly still don't understand NET, because #4 Illinois doesn't budge after losing to #81.  Their 7-6 quad 1 record is pretty good, but OSU is 8-4 in quad 1 and ranked 3 spots lower.  Alabama is 11-1 in quad 1, but 6-3 in quad 2 and 6-2 in quad 3.

OU down 9 spots to #28. 

Iowa, Houston, Ohio State, Alabama, Virginia, Villanova, FSU, Tech, Tennessee all have 1 or more quad 2/3 losses.  Texas has none (4-6 quad 1). 

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3 hours ago, Bitterwhiteguy said:

I think I've said this before on here, but I've been to coaching clinics where Shaka is a presenter and he's very detailed in his presentations. I've watched him diagram plays with Larry Brown and they're both on the same wavelength; the issue with Shaka is that he plays everything very close to the vest with reporters. He gives them coach-speak because he doesn't want any opponents to get any details - which is dumb because we all have access to Synergy and other analytics sites now, but whatever - so he talks in generalities in most of his press conferences. About the only time he doesn't do this is when they would have the sideline reporter catch him before halftime and ask him a very specific question ("Why is player X getting to the rim so much against you", etc) and he'll say something more specific, but it's not in his nature to talk in specifics to the general public. It hurts him for this exact reason, guys like you only see him speak in vague answers and so your opinion is formed by that. I've watched him coach the team and he gets on them about footwork angles, defensive stance, downing screens, etc., in very specific terms. I've watched him talk with other high-level coaches and be just as fluent as them. He's got it in him, and he would do well to show that to the general public more often. I think this is one of the reasons other coaches view him in a much more positive light than Texas fans, they see this and most of us don't.

we give him shit about his bullshit coach speak answers just like we did Mack and every other coach.  He trends toward the stupid life coach crap more than others but whatever.  None of us really cares about that. 

the problem is all his apparent coaching "footwork angles, defensive stance, downing screens, etc., in very specific terms" that you have seen has gotten us a grand total of ZERO wins in the NCAA tournament in 5 fucking years.

Its actually worse that he is apparently "coaching" them and this is the result.  he needs to be fired like pronto. Its embarrassing but it is obvious we don't give much of shit in the AD.

 

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7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Texas up 2 spots in NET to #21 - KU down 1 to #17

But I clearly still don't understand NET, because #4 Illinois doesn't budge after losing to #81.  Their 7-6 quad 1 record is pretty good, but OSU is 8-4 in quad 1 and ranked 3 spots lower.  Alabama is 11-1 in quad 1, but 6-3 in quad 2 and 6-2 in quad 3.

OU down 9 spots to #28. 

Iowa, Houston, Ohio State, Alabama, Virginia, Villanova, FSU, Tech, Tennessee all have 1 or more quad 2/3 losses.  Texas has none (4-6 quad 1). 

Illinois has been by far the most overrated team all season. I wouldn't be that surprised if they lose their first tourney game.

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3 hours ago, Bitterwhiteguy said:

I think I've said this before on here, but I've been to coaching clinics where Shaka is a presenter and he's very detailed in his presentations. I've watched him diagram plays with Larry Brown and they're both on the same wavelength; the issue with Shaka is that he plays everything very close to the vest with reporters. He gives them coach-speak because he doesn't want any opponents to get any details - which is dumb because we all have access to Synergy and other analytics sites now, but whatever - so he talks in generalities in most of his press conferences. About the only time he doesn't do this is when they would have the sideline reporter catch him before halftime and ask him a very specific question ("Why is player X getting to the rim so much against you", etc) and he'll say something more specific, but it's not in his nature to talk in specifics to the general public. It hurts him for this exact reason, guys like you only see him speak in vague answers and so your opinion is formed by that. I've watched him coach the team and he gets on them about footwork angles, defensive stance, downing screens, etc., in very specific terms. I've watched him talk with other high-level coaches and be just as fluent as them. He's got it in him, and he would do well to show that to the general public more often. I think this is one of the reasons other coaches view him in a much more positive light than Texas fans, they see this and most of us don't.

Excellent point. No doubt Shaka knows the game backwards and forwards. Put him a room with successful coaches and he can hold his own. In HS, my trig. teacher explained that it's not what you can do but more about what you can get others to do for you. So the fact that he can't get his guys to play the game like he wants(at least consistently) is why he is a failure. Very few coaches like Shaka are basketball idiots, they just suck at messaging/teaching.

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1 hour ago, shadow_operative said:

plus, after 17 years of Barnes being the most open and honest coach out there, i definitely got used to that, and i much prefer that style. i never questioned whether or not Rick was aware of our problems and what needed to be done to fix them, because he was always so candid and honest with his comments. so put me in the camp of someone who much prefers it that way to Shaka's way. 

edited to add- all coaches use coach speak at one time or another. Shaka Smart is the only coach i've ever seen- in any sport- who exclusively uses coach speak, platitudes, and buzz words. nearly six years in and his next honest/substantive remark will be his first. 

Being aware of the problems and not being able to fix them is not something I consider noble in a coach. That's so called honesty is just another form of coach speak. Either fix the problem or shut up/GTFO.

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I think I've said this before on here, but I've been to coaching clinics where Shaka is a presenter and he's very detailed in his presentations. I've watched him diagram plays with Larry Brown and they're both on the same wavelength; the issue with Shaka is that he plays everything very close to the vest with reporters. He gives them coach-speak because he doesn't want any opponents to get any details - which is dumb because we all have access to Synergy and other analytics sites now, but whatever - so he talks in generalities in most of his press conferences. About the only time he doesn't do this is when they would have the sideline reporter catch him before halftime and ask him a very specific question ("Why is player X getting to the rim so much against you", etc) and he'll say something more specific, but it's not in his nature to talk in specifics to the general public. It hurts him for this exact reason, guys like you only see him speak in vague answers and so your opinion is formed by that. I've watched him coach the team and he gets on them about footwork angles, defensive stance, downing screens, etc., in very specific terms. I've watched him talk with other high-level coaches and be just as fluent as them. He's got it in him, and he would do well to show that to the general public more often. I think this is one of the reasons other coaches view him in a much more positive light than Texas fans, they see this and most of us don't.

I’m glad to hear that. Thanks for the insight. In light of your feedback I wonder why there is such a breakdown in fundamentals, movement and court / time awareness during long periods of time on the court. Are his technique coaching, psychological approach and game planning subpar (despite him knowing what’s right) or are his players ignoring or not absorbing what he’s teachings/implementing?

A couple players who just don’t get it or even a season of bad luck/unfortunate circumstances might not reflect a problem but there’s a pattern of recurring errors and issues over the past 6 years that are very worrisome.

Just my 2 cents


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I wouldn't even call it coachspeak. It's odd, self-help, Tony Robbins type gibberish.

And it does not seem to be a just a generic public-facing act. There was an Athletic article shared here last season which recounted a story about Shaka making the players do that fucking weird ass chant which gave off cultish vibes. It was genuinely disturbing.

 

 

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Running some Big 12 bracket tournament bracket simulations, only messing with our wins/losses and no one else's: 

2-2 over the last four - 5 seed (Kansas is the 4 because winning %)

3-1, with the loss to Tech - 3 seed

3-1, with the loss to OU - 4 seed (OU wins tiebreaker due to 2-0 record)

4-0 - 2 seed

And just for shits and giggles:

1-3, only beating ISU - 6 seed (Tech wins tiebreaker due to 2-0 record)

0-4 - 7 seed

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2 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

Being aware of the problems and not being able to fix them is not something I consider noble in a coach. That's so called honesty is just another form of coach speak. Either fix the problem or shut up/GTFO.

i'm not sure what your point is here. either be perfect or say nothing? there's never been/never will be a coach like that. 

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2 hours ago, VinyVango said:


I’m glad to hear that. Thanks for the insight. In light of your feedback I wonder why there is such a breakdown in fundamentals, movement and court / time awareness during long periods of time on the court. Are his technique coaching, psychological approach and game planning subpar (despite him knowing what’s right) or are his players ignoring or not absorbing what he’s teachings/implementing?

A couple players who just don’t get it or even a season of bad luck/unfortunate circumstances might not reflect a problem but there’s a pattern of recurring errors and issues over the past 6 years that are very worrisome.

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There are legitimate complaints to be made about his team performance, and considering I wrote an article calling for him to be let go last year I'm not exactly a sunshine pumper regarding him. My post wasn't so much a defense of his overall performance, rather it was specifically aimed to why his press conferences tend to sound like a big ball of euphemisms.

As for the variability in team performance, I think the general trend for him is similar to most other coaches: the older the team, the less variability you see. This team is overall playing better than any since perhaps his first season, and it's not a coincidence it's led by experienced guards. I think in a non-COVID year, this team is probably more 16-4 than 14-6, and plays at a level closer to their pre-pause form the whole year. I think there are very few coaches who can consistently win with young teams - and even the ones who can have down years, like Calipari this year - and Shaka is not among their ranks. His Final Four squad was 46th in D-I experience, this one is 116th; the two worst years of his Texas tenure they were 342nd & 335th. It's not the only factor - we could get into the recruiting/hiring mistakes when he first got here, the struggle to develop a cohesive offensive plan - but experience matters a lot in the college game.

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He may have a grasp of basketball strategy, but imo he doesn't teach those concepts to his players so that they can use them in a game. He hasn't designed drills that mimic game situations. 

I can't remember exactly what I was watching but it was a TV magazine show of "let's meet Shaka." The camera's followed him as he instructed the point guard to run a specific play. The kid looked at Shaka and said, "I don't know that one. " 

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9 minutes ago, Bitterwhiteguy said:

As for the variability in team performance, I think the general trend for him is similar to most other coaches: the older the team, the less variability you see. This team is overall playing better than any since perhaps his first season, and it's not a coincidence it's led by experienced guards. I think in a non-COVID year, this team is probably more 16-4 than 14-6, and plays at a level closer to their pre-pause form the whole year. I think there are very few coaches who can consistently win with young teams - and even the ones who can have down years, like Calipari this year - and Shaka is not among their ranks. His Final Four squad was 46th in D-I experience, this one is 116th; the two worst years of his Texas tenure they were 342nd & 335th. It's not the only factor - we could get into the recruiting/hiring mistakes when he first got here, the struggle to develop a cohesive offensive plan - but experience matters a lot in the college game.

The difference between this year's team and previous years' is that they have yet to pick up one of those truly bad losses that usually pop up. The amount of experience (and talent) on the roster provides a floor.

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8 minutes ago, Nolacycling said:

He may have a grasp of basketball strategy, but imo he doesn't teach those concepts to his players so that they can use them in a game. He hasn't designed drills that mimic game situations. 

I can't remember exactly what I was watching but it was a TV magazine show of "let's meet Shaka." The camera's followed him as he instructed the point guard to run a specific play. The kid looked at Shaka and said, "I don't know that one. " 

I have literally watched him do this myself.

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7 minutes ago, Machinator said:

The difference between this year's team and previous years' is that they have yet to pick up one of those truly bad losses that usually pop up. The amount of experience (and talent) on the roster provides a floor.

Yes, I was thinking about this last night. All of our losses are Quadrant 1.  The OSU loss looked bad to our eyes, but on paper, it's not a "bad" loss. 

OU lost last night to #198 (was #208 before the game). That's a terrible loss. 

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7 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

plus, after 17 years of Barnes being the most open and honest coach out there, i definitely got used to that, and i much prefer that style. i never questioned whether or not Rick was aware of our problems and what needed to be done to fix them, because he was always so candid and honest with his comments. so put me in the camp of someone who much prefers it that way to Shaka's way. 

edited to add- all coaches use coach speak at one time or another. Shaka Smart is the only coach i've ever seen- in any sport- who exclusively uses coach speak, platitudes, and buzz words. nearly six years in and his next honest/substantive remark will be his first. 

oh wait. you preferred Rick Barnes?!?!?!?!

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Last 2 years: Barnes is 32-20. Shaka is 33-18.

Lifetime win %: Barnes is 65.3%. Shaka is 65.6%

Tourney record: Barnes is 24-24. Shaka is 7-7.

As far as in the court results, I don’t see a huge difference. One has just been doing it longer.

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1 hour ago, HookEm said:

Last 2 years: Barnes is 32-20. Shaka is 33-18.

Lifetime win %: Barnes is 65.3%. Shaka is 65.6%

Tourney record: Barnes is 24-24. Shaka is 7-7.

As far as in the court results, I don’t see a huge difference. One has just been doing it longer.

this is fucking hilarious. one is the third best coach in Big XII history, the other is the 4th best coach at Virginia Commonwealth between 2006-2015, but yeah, they're totally the same guy. 

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Shaka Smart is nothing more than Bizarro World Tom Penders- as coaches they're essentially equals, only where Tom's teams score 105 and play an exciting brand of basketball, Shaka's teams score 65 and make you want to gouge your own eyeballs out. 

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Last 2 years: Barnes is 32-20. Shaka is 33-18.

Lifetime win %: Barnes is 65.3%. Shaka is 65.6%

Tourney record: Barnes is 24-24. Shaka is 7-7.

As far as in the court results, I don’t see a huge difference. One has just been doing it longer.

Possibly the dumbest comment ever!


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Was reading an article talking about seniors getting an extra year this year. Curious if any of our seniors take advantage of it.

Coleman will probably give the NBA a try and if not that, head to Europe. He is too good to waste another year of earning potential.

I could see Simms playing another year. But he will probably also try to find a paycheck.

Given the friction with Hamm, I don’t think he will stay, even though we will need him.

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1 hour ago, HookEm said:

Was reading an article talking about seniors getting an extra year this year. Curious if any of our seniors take advantage of it.

Coleman will probably give the NBA a try and if not that, head to Europe. He is too good to waste another year of earning potential.

I could see Simms playing another year. But he will probably also try to find a paycheck.

Given the friction with Hamm, I don’t think he will stay, even though we will need him.

Was thinking the same thing during the senior night presentations.  Febres is the other and he's also had a pretty up and down four years and may be done with it all.  Those four plus Brown and Kai makes 6 leaving and four coming in at the moment to a roster that only has 11 to begin with.  Save that discussion for the "2021-2022 Shaka done fucked it up" thread.

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9 minutes ago, ztejas said:

That's kind of a huge difference. 

But I mean, Barnes has been a head coach longer than I've been alive.  Shaka has been a head coach for 12 years.  It's a totally different sample size. 

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I made the original post as a bit of a joke.  You can obviously pull stats to support any point you want to make.  If you want to compare Barnes and Shaka at the same age, you get:

Years coaching at major programs:

  • Barnes:¬† 11
  • Shaka:¬† 12

Overall Record:

  • Barnes:¬† 202-132 (60.5%)
  • Shaka:¬† 267-140 (65.6%)

Tourney Record

  • Barnes:¬† 2-6
  • Shaka:¬† 7-7

Conference Titles

  • Barnes:¬† 0
  • Shaka:¬† 0

Conference Tourney Champs

  • Barnes:¬† 1
  • Shaka:¬† 2

Top-25 Finishes

  • Barnes:¬† 1
  • Shaka:¬† 2
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10 minutes ago, HookEm said:

I made the original post as a bit of a joke.  You can obviously pull stats to support any point you want to make.  If you want to compare Barnes and Shaka at the same age, you get:

Years coaching at major programs:

  • Barnes:¬† 11
  • Shaka:¬† 12

Overall Record:

  • Barnes:¬† 202-132 (60.5%)
  • Shaka:¬† 267-140 (65.6%)

Tourney Record

  • Barnes:¬† 2-6
  • Shaka:¬† 7-7

Conference Titles

  • Barnes:¬† 0
  • Shaka:¬† 0

Conference Tourney Champs

  • Barnes:¬† 1
  • Shaka:¬† 2

Top-25 Finishes

  • Barnes:¬† 1
  • Shaka:¬† 2

Instead of comparing across programs we can just do something straightforward like compare their first 6 years at Texas. 

Overall record:

Barnes 141-58 (70.9%)

Shaka 104-84 (55.3%)

Tourney record:

Barnes 7-6 (incl. one FF and one SS)

Shaka 0-2

Conference titles:

Barnes - 1 

Shaka - 0

Maybe the B12 is tougher now but I'd argue that Barnes inherited a lot less than Shaka. 

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Like I said, you can use "straightforward" stats and still make any point you want to make.  Here's another set:  

Barnes Last 6 years at Texas:  132-75  (63.7%) - 2 Tourney Wins

Barnes First 6 years at Tennessee:  121-70 (63.3%) - 3 Tourney Wins

Shaka's First 6 years at Texas:  104-84 (53.3%) - 0 Tourney Wins

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The Big 12 is def tougher now - both from a coaching standpoint and format.  Shaka's entire tenure has been the double round robin and having to play KU and WV twice, whereas Barnes had the majority of his Texas tenure with the North/South split.  Baylor, OU and Tech are better now than they were when Barnes was here.  ISU, OSU and KSU are worse.  CU/TCU is a push.  WV is better than A&M.   Kansas is Kansas. 

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what is the point of this discussion here? seriously? if the point is comparing Barnes and Smart as coaches then just stop. there's zero question as to where each coach stands. if the point is to try and figure out the most disingenuous way to make it look like the two coaches have performed similarly, then i guess carry on with your odd, pointless experiment. 

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