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this was just posted on their official YouTube account 17 hours ago-- I don't know if that means it's truly new, as in they've got a creative team going back and developing new music videos for old songs the way the Foo Fighters did last year for a bunch of stuff off of Wasting Light, or if I've just never seen it before, but-- video for "Sting Me", looks like footage from the Pot Festival in Piedmont Park back in 1992

 

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Picked up Gorman’s book. One of my favorites back in the day - need to catch up on the post-Amorica albums. First three may be among the best first three of any band. Still not sure which is my favorite.

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On 2/10/2020 at 3:12 PM, stc said:

 

that's where i disagree. they've rotated members in and out of the band since the beginning. i personally preferred the marc ford/eddie harsch era...but they didn't cease to be the black crowes when those members left. chris and rich wrote all the songs, they are the band. they get to decide who the other members are. it sucks for steve gorman but tough shit, sorry these assholes fucked you over. 

I respectfully disagree. A band is a band. The rhythm section does not get the RS covers, but there is more magic there than most understand. For example, Steven Adler gets a lot of credit for the sound and energy of Appetite. Honestly, to  your point, you could really stick Chris Robinson in front of a bunch of studio players and arguable have "The Black Crowes." Although Gorman argues, much like Adler, Rich Robinson's lack of technical guitar skill and training is what makes him such an amazing guitarist (in addition to the incredible songwriting talent).

About 2/3 through the book ... realize it is one sided, but pretty amazing:

- Chris is the paragon of poseur - it's laughable how he become a caricature so quickly

- Rich is the paragon of a dick - seems like the most miserable human being in rock

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You don't have to read Steve Gorman's book to see how Chris Robinson became a caricature.  That's very publicly obvious.

Rich's issues, however, are far less obvious and I've been more likely to question the one-sidedness of it.  In regards to Chris, anyone who ever paid attention could see a fairly high level of accuracy in Gorman's portrayal.

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40 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

You don't have to read Steve Gorman's book to see how Chris Robinson became a caricature.  That's very publicly obvious.

Rich's issues, however, are far less obvious and I've been more likely to question the one-sidedness of it.  In regards to Chris, anyone who ever paid attention could see a fairly high level of accuracy in Gorman's portrayal.

True ... but just the level of abject phoniness and poseur was incredible behind the scenes. As Gorman said, it was a 1990s Spinal Tap.
Agree with you - I always assumed Rich good, Chris bad. But man, Rich seems like a super-douche ... but agreed - always two-sides.

Regardless - grateful for the thread to discover the book and re-discover the Crowes.

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18 minutes ago, Kyle said:

True ... but just the level of abject phoniness and poseur was incredible behind the scenes. As Gorman said, it was a 1990s Spinal Tap.
Agree with you - I always assumed Rich good, Chris bad. But man, Rich seems like a super-douche ... but agreed - always two-sides.

Regardless - grateful for the thread to discover the book and re-discover the Crowes.

Chris certainly takes it to a spectacular place.

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4 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

You don't have to read Steve Gorman's book to see how Chris Robinson became a caricature.  That's very publicly obvious.

Rich's issues, however, are far less obvious and I've been more likely to question the one-sidedness of it.  In regards to Chris, anyone who ever paid attention could see a fairly high level of accuracy in Gorman's portrayal.

what's interesting to me about your post is, I don't feel like I learned anything I didn't know or wouldn't have guessed with regard to Rich with the single exception of him telling Jimmy Page "nah that's OK" re: songwriting help with Lions. With Chris, there are multiple things in the book large and small that flabbergasted me. 

And as we've discussed on prior pages, to me it's Gorman's depictions of Chris that felt disjointed, like there was a step missing in how things played out. I have a hard time understanding Chris' behavior as depicted (it not being enough IMO to just say "addicted/high on drugs/bipolar")-- his design of the Amorica or Bust stage show and reaction to Pete Angelus' rework are hard to really believe. Quitting the band in 2002 even knowing it would kill their V2 deal with $4m still to come, is just hard to understand. But, the way Gorman described Rich, even the response to Page, I feel like I understand why he did what he did. His ego and greed were never hard to discern, and he was totally fickle towards everyone in the band. 

I think the truth of the Crowes at this point is, the creative spark that started their music came from the Robinson brothers but never would have gotten off the ground without the contributions of Gorman, Johnny Colt, Ed Harsch, and Marc Ford. So they've really just been varying degrees of a tribute band since August 1997, those degrees influenced by how bought in (or not) the brothers were. By the time Luther Dickinson left the band, any real hope of getting new, interesting music from them was gone. They were and are a full-on tribute band. 

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56 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

what's interesting to me about your post is, I don't feel like I learned anything I didn't know or wouldn't have guessed with regard to Rich with the single exception of him telling Jimmy Page "nah that's OK" re: songwriting help with Lions. With Chris, there are multiple things in the book large and small that flabbergasted me. 

And as we've discussed on prior pages, to me it's Gorman's depictions of Chris that felt disjointed, like there was a step missing in how things played out. I have a hard time understanding Chris' behavior as depicted (it not being enough IMO to just say "addicted/high on drugs/bipolar")-- his design of the Amorica or Bust stage show and reaction to Pete Angelus' rework are hard to really believe. Quitting the band in 2002 even knowing it would kill their V2 deal with $4m still to come, is just hard to understand. But, the way Gorman described Rich, even the response to Page, I feel like I understand why he did what he did. His ego and greed were never hard to discern, and he was totally fickle towards everyone in the band. 

I think the truth of the Crowes at this point is, the creative spark that started their music came from the Robinson brothers but never would have gotten off the ground without the contributions of Gorman, Johnny Colt, Ed Harsch, and Marc Ford. So they've really just been varying degrees of a tribute band since August 1997, those degrees influenced by how bought in (or not) the brothers were. By the time Luther Dickinson left the band, any real hope of getting new, interesting music from them was gone. They were and are a full-on tribute band. 

It wasn't that I found the account of Rich unbelievable, I just hadn't observed that in his public persona (not that there's much of one in the first place).  I might not have been paying much attention, but I had always viewed him as the "good" Robinson that had to bear the weight of keeping his brother in line.

I don't have much difficulty personally believing any anecdote about Chris Robinson.  He seems to be legitimately unhinged to an extent (many intensely creative people are).  I had, for some reason I can't articulate, always believed that Rich was more aligned with the rest of the band.

I would agree with your last paragraph completely.

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On 4/1/2020 at 3:43 PM, Al_4_ISU said:

It wasn't that I found the account of Rich unbelievable, I just hadn't observed that in his public persona (not that there's much of one in the first place).  I might not have been paying much attention, but I had always viewed him as the "good" Robinson that had to bear the weight of keeping his brother in line.

I don't have much difficulty personally believing any anecdote about Chris Robinson.  He seems to be legitimately unhinged to an extent (many intensely creative people are).  I had, for some reason I can't articulate, always believed that Rich was more aligned with the rest of the band.

I would agree with your last paragraph completely.

According to Gorman, the way Chris snaps out of it for Amorica, By Your Side, Angelus ... I am left with questions of whether Chris actually is unhinged or just pretends to be unhinged because he read thats what rock stars are supposed to do.

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just checking back in to say that Title Song might be the single greatest unreleased track in rock history

but I'm taking alternate suggestions-- and by "unreleased", I mean, it was never on a studio album or b-side, so something like "Hey Hey What Can I Do?" by Zeppelin doesn't count

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