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vince young maxed out at around 74 yards, but sure, 14 year old quinn was throwing 80+. anybody who believes that has probably sent money to multiple nigerian princes.

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Unless the person claiming it is a self sack, whomever the fuck that is, he will need to know the o line scheme of the play, what the backs were supposed to do and what routes were adjusted or not. Also what the defense did.
Just because a QB turns into a rushing defender does not mean it is a fucking self sack.
Jesus how hard is it for you and your other screen name to understand.
I would call it a "self sack" if:

- the QB runs out of bounds behind the LOS without throwing it away first.

- the QB has time but sees all of his options covered and decides to tuck it and gets tackled behind the LOS rather than chucking it OOB over a receivers head.

Either of those two instances have an option that doesn't lose yards, but the QB decided not to take it.

Now, tucking it and getting tackled 2 seconds after getting the ball because someone whiffed on a block is not a self-sack.
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1 hour ago, Derka said:

vince young maxed out at around 74 yards, but sure, 14 year old quinn was throwing 80+. anybody who believes that has probably sent money to multiple nigerian princes.

He was around 16 when he chucked it 80ish yards. Back in the day the video was on maxpreps.com. Then tOSU put one out on IG or Twitter of him throwing about 80ish when he was there. You can probably still find those videos everywhere through a Google search. Whatever happened seemed to have happened between 18 and 20, but it was clear he didn't have the same arm strength after the Bama game in 2023. It doesn't look like he's capable of throwing more than maybe mid-60s now except maybe once in a blue moon, and it's looked that way since early two seasons ago.

And VY is a weird comparison. He had that weird wind up and almost shot put motion. VY had to have been really muscling it to get over 70ish. It probably would have been more apt to shit on 14-year-old Ewers by comparing him to Roethlisberger, who threw that 80+ yard incompletion 5 or 6 years ago that was all over Sportscenter for a while. It's harder to believe that 14-year-old Ewers threw 80 yards if Roethlisberger and his perfect throwing motion at 6'5" threw 80 yards at the farthest.

It's stuff like this that really makes it difficult to engage you civilly. There's easy-to-find video out there of Ewers doing these things, but you decided to insult people instead of fact-checking yourself.

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4 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

It probably would have been more apt to shit on 14-year-old Ewers

saying that ewers couldn’t throw 80+ in middle school  is “shitting on” him. i’m not sure there’s a more accurate, concise encapsulation of this thread. 

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20 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Quinn throwing in the Dolphins minicamp.

 

 

Couple of observations.

1 - Kenneth Grant is taking shit seriously.
2 - There was neither a sack nor a self sack involving Ewers.  Chum for the haters.

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6 hours ago, Modessit said:

I'll just jump in for a second to bring up something that occurs to me often when I hear this from Sark or the sports mafia that reports on the Horns:

We often hear about "that TD (or big play) was a result of (QB) changing the play at the line. I called a different play, but he saw the defense was (in whatever formation), made the change, and the result was (great play)."

We never hear about the times when the QB changes the play and it ends up being a complete clusterfuck that ends up in a turnover (INT, loss of downs, etc) or DOESN'T change the play because they didn't read the defense properly and the play gets blown up or stopped for a loss.

How many times have we all yelled "WTF?!?" after a stupid 4th down play or "WHY IS HE THROWING DEEP WHEN WE ONLY NEED 2 YARDS?!?" We blame Sark for the playcall, but who's to say it wasn't Quinn changing the play or NOT changing the play (if warranted)?

Sure, it's great when it works, but there are usually a ton of mistakes that led us to the point of needing that great play. It's like shooting double-bogey on every hole but saying you had a great round because you chipped in for birdie on the 18th to beat your playing partner by 1 stroke.

You are pathetic.

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11 hours ago, dcar00 said:

I'm seeing a lot of things I don't like in those clips of Quinn...

I’m struggling to take anything away from those clips. Just look like some basic drills. 

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Just now, Park Gothic said:

I’m struggling to take anything away from those clips. Just look like some basic drills. 

I mean just look at his jersey, it looks bunched up and his shoe lace loops are a little too long.

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49 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I’m struggling to take anything away from those clips. Just look like some basic drills. 

The fact that they only show a few of the receptions is an interesting choice.

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13 hours ago, dcar00 said:

I'm seeing a lot of things I don't like in those clips of Quinn...

The only knock I have in those basic drills is the throw at  around 1:12 mark where the receiver had to dive to catch the ball, so no YAC possibility. Without any defenders, the QB needs to throw the ball where the WR can catch it standing up.

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1 hour ago, UTEE97 said:

The only knock I have in those basic drills is the throw at  around 1:12 mark where the receiver had to dive to catch the ball, so no YAC possibility. Without any defenders, the QB needs to throw the ball where the WR can catch it standing up.

Or the WR needs to run faster. 

Or, Ya know, it's like day 2.

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9 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

holy moly this thread...

It is what happens when an ag uses AI to celebrate a dumpster fire with face-AIDS after eating day-old nachos that the cat crapped on.

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Probably been said before but Miami is an actually a great spot for Quinn. McDaniel is a good QB coach and Tua is made of glass. If they can approve his pocket awareness, he can probably have a pretty solid backup career.

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4 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

Probably been said before but Miami is an actually a great spot for Quinn. McDaniel is a good QB coach and Tua is made of glass. If they can approve his pocket awareness, he can probably have a pretty solid backup career.

 

 

pocket awareness much like accuracy isn’t something that can be coached. But I definitely agree Miami is the perfect spot for him due to their offense style and having lowest depth of target in the nfl. 

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47 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

pocket awareness much like accuracy isn’t something that can be coached. But I definitely agree Miami is the perfect spot for him due to their offense style and having lowest depth of target in the nfl. 

Yep. Every successful QB is just born accurate and aware, and there are no drills or coaching techniques for it and never were. Nailed it.

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2 hours ago, Slacks said:

Or the WR needs to run faster. 

Or, Ya know, it's like day 2.

I get what you're saying but not hitting the WRs in strides is one of the knocks on Quinn. As a 7th round pick, he is not going to get too many chances to prove himself, so every rep needs to be crisp.

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31 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Yep. Every successful QB is just born accurate and aware, and there are no drills or coaching techniques for it and never were. Nailed it.

That’s literally correct. Those are two things they have or don’t have.

 

 

you can try and coach it but reality is most QBs only marginally improve or don’t improve accuracy at all

 

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you can’t coach a 11 second 100m guy to be a 10 second 100m guy. It’s just traits and skills that people have. 

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56 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

That’s literally correct. Those are two things they have or don’t have.

you can’t coach a 11 second 100m guy to be a 10 second 100m guy. It’s just traits and skills that people have. 

There are physical and mental ceilings for everyone. That's genetics. You have a 6'0" 25-year-old? You can't teach him to be 6'5". You have an 11-100 14-year-old? Who knows if coaching will improve him or not? Technique may shave off half a second. Physical maturity may shave off another half second. Or he may have reached his ceiling at 14.

Some kids' mental and physical abilities are synchronized at an early age. They get things right away. And some kids are physically capable and mentally capable, but aren't synchronized. They have to be taught. All Coach Leach is saying is that if someone isn't accurate in high school, he's probably not going to be accurate in college or the pros. He disagrees recruiting/drafting based on physical measurements alone. There are a lot of people who disagree with him.

Aside from that, there are dozens of drills for pocket awareness and there are examples all over college and the pros of kids who succeeded or failed to make the mental and physical connection. For some it just clicks at some point. It's called the "game slowing down." For others it never does.

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10 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

There are physical and mental ceilings for everyone. That's genetics. You have a 6'0" 25-year-old? You can't teach him to be 6'5". You have an 11-100 14-year-old? Who knows if coaching will improve him or not? Technique may shave off half a second. Physical maturity may shave off another half second. Or he may have reached his ceiling at 14.

Some kids' mental and physical abilities are synchronized at an early age. They get things right away. And some kids are physically capable and mentally capable, but aren't synchronized. They have to be taught. All Coach Leach is saying is that if someone isn't accurate in high school, he's probably not going to be accurate in college or the pros. He disagrees recruiting/drafting based on physical measurements alone. There are a lot of people who disagree with him.

Aside from that, there are dozens of drills for pocket awareness and there are examples all over college and the pros of kids who succeeded or failed to make the mental and physical connection. For some it just clicks at some point. It's called the "game slowing down." For others it never does.

 

Sorry you don’t know ball dude. Those are legit two things that are god given. There are coaches and scouts who think they can change that but it rarely ever happens, especially with accuracy. If you’re not very accurate in college with larger windows the chance of being more accurate in the pros with tighter windows is slim to none.
 

You think Johnny Manziel practiced his pocket awareness and he’s one of the best QBs with regards to that. Pocket awareness is a feel and you can’t coach a player to feel and mentally process that feeling to make the correct decision on when to roll, bail, or take off. 

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9 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

Sorry you don’t know ball dude. Those are legit two things that are god given. There are coaches and scouts who think they can change that but it rarely ever happens, especially with accuracy. If you’re not very accurate in college with larger windows the chance of being more accurate in the pros with tighter windows is slim to none.
 

You think Johnny Manziel practiced his pocket awareness and he’s one of the best QBs with regards to that. Pocket awareness is a feel and you can’t coach a player to feel and mentally process that feeling to make the correct decision on when to roll, bail, or take off. 

No? Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are two *current* examples of how accuracy can be taught at the pro level. And every single NFL coach will tell you that pocket awareness can be taught. Will some be better than others? Of course. Can someone who has a different ceiling be taught to be as good as some natural talent like VY? No, but they sure as shit can be taught.

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13 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

No? Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are two *current* examples of how accuracy can be taught at the pro level. And every single NFL coach will tell you that pocket awareness can be taught. Will some be better than others? Of course. Can someone who has a different ceiling be taught to be as good as some natural talent like VY? No, but they sure as shit can 

 

for every Josh Allen/Lamar Jackson there are a dozen Miltons, Richardson’s, Levis, Jamarcus Russels, etc. every nfl coach thinks they can teach those things. In reality they rarely do. These are legit god given things that can be honed in but the clay is the clay when sculpting. Nothing will change your mind because you’re looking at it as a negative towards Quinn from me but it’s not just a Quinn thing. 
 

you can coach your ass off on escape drills all you want but how a QB acts in live fire when pressure is bearing down is your true pocket awareness and when this happens Quinn shuts himself and self sacks. It’s a feel they have

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

for every Josh Allen/Lamar Jackson there are a dozen Miltons, Richardson’s, Levis, Jamarcus Russels, etc. every nfl coach thinks they can teach those things. In reality they rarely do. These are legit god given things that can be honed in but the clay is the clay when sculpting. Nothing will change your mind because you’re looking at it as a negative towards Quinn from me but it’s not just a Quinn thing. 

Nope. I'm not talking about Quinn. But if we're talking reality, in reality, players rarely succeed in the NFL. For every one that succeeds there are literally dozens who get the chance and don't for some reason or another. Can it be taught? Yes, it can and I gave you two current examples. You want Ewers to fall into Leach's category of 'can't be taught' so badly that you'll ignore objective proof to the contrary.

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Just now, AnotherLawyer said:

Nope. I'm not talking about Quinn. But if we're talking reality, in reality, players rarely succeed in the NFL. For every one that succeeds there are literally dozens who get the chance and don't for some reason or another. Can it be taught? Yes, it can and I gave you two current examples. You want Ewers to fall into Leach's category of 'can't be taught' so badly that you'll ignore objective proof to the contrary.

Oh so just Quinn allow me to tee off then. The fucking guy has had private QB coaching his entire life, trains with Mahommes private trainer as well, was coached by Sark, and coached by Riley Dodge in HS. He’s had the best coaching you can get to this point yet this bum shits himself in the pocket at the hint of perceived pressure. So yeah tell again how you can coach pocket awareness…..

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Jesus Christ, you are just the most miserable son of a bitch I've ever met. I honestly feel badly for you.

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But how about your same argument? Just because *Ewers* can't be taught doesn't mean it can't be taught.
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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Oh so just Quinn allow me to tee off then. The fucking guy has had private QB coaching his entire life, trains with Mahommes private trainer as well, was coached by Sark, and coached by Riley Dodge in HS. He’s had the best coaching you can get to this point yet this bum shits himself in the pocket at the hint of perceived pressure. So yeah tell again how you can coach pocket awareness…..

Xavier Worthy doesn't seem to have much issue tracking the ball from his new QB either... 

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Just now, AnotherLawyer said:

Jesus Christ, you are just the most miserable son of a bitch I've ever met. I honestly feel badly for you.

I don't think he is, I think people misunderstand a lot of the criticism in this thread because it's hard to balance it with the gratitude of what Quinn did bring. 

Without Quinn coming to Texas, Texas is not what it is today. It helped get shit right A LOT faster than it would have otherwise, whether he lived up to his full potential or not is what makes this thread so contentious.

He did not, and a lot of people think that is mostly his fault. 

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2 minutes ago, immamac said:

Xavier Worthy doesn't seem to have much issue tracking the ball from his new QB either... 

Cool. We talking about Ewers specifically or accuracy/pocket awareness generally? And is the standard of comparison how an 8th-year, All-Pro, MVP, Super Bowl winner throws? Because almost none of the QBs drafted in ever meet that standard.

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