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3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

OL was probably better, but that is it. The defense was light out. Big difference being the 2nd/3rd WR. Saying a QB needs to have 3 NFL WRs to be a great college QB is not a serious argument in my opinion. Its really rare for college QBs to get that luxury, unless you play QB at OSU recently. There are not a lot of QBs last year that had equal or more talent. 

True. But I'm really thinking about WR play in terms of its relevance to comparing '23 Ewers and '24 Ewers, rather than comparing Ewers to other QBs. 

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5 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

True. But I'm really thinking about WR play in terms of its relevance to comparing '23 Ewers and '24 Ewers, rather than comparing Ewers to other QBs. 

Not like this was a bad or even a mediocre WR room. I'd bet we will look back at 24 and say he was throwing to 3 NFL talents. It was a downgrade from what was a historic Texas level, but still at a level that would make 95% or more of college Qbs jealous. 

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23 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Not like this was a bad or even a mediocre WR room. I'd bet we will look back at 24 and say he was throwing to 3 NFL talents. It was a downgrade from what was a historic Texas level, but still at a level that would make 95% or more of college Qbs jealous. 

Sure, but you could also argue that more than a few times Wingo and Moore killed drives with mistakes.  Moore almost gifted Clemson a game changing pick 6.  Wingo didn't breakoff his route versus Vandy which lead to a sack and us settling for a FG.

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Just now, Fondren & Main said:

Sure, but you could also argue that more than a few times Wingo and Moore killed drives with mistakes.  Moore almost gifted Clemson a game changing pick 6.  Wingo didn't breakoff his route versus Vandy which lead to a sack and us settling for a FG.

i can go over Ewer's miscues but let's focus on Moore dropping a ball where he was staring directly into the sun. This implies Worthy  Worthy never dropped a ball. 

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Quick note on Quinn with the Dolphins - McDaniel stated that Wilson is the #2 and Quinn #3 the other day, but that Quinn was "doing what he was supposed to do." 

It also sounds like Tua will get zero reps in the preseason games so it's up to Quinn to produce (and not get injured). 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

i can go over Ewer's miscues but let's focus on Moore dropping a ball where he was staring directly into the sun. This implies Worthy  Worthy never dropped a ball. 

I’m just pointing out that young talent generally makes mistakes compared to 3rd year players.  You saw a similar dropoff in 2009 when Colt no longer had Cosby and Collins.  Cosby wasn’t even drafted, but our 2009 offense would have been a great deal better if he hadn’t run out of eligibility.

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3 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

True. But I'm really thinking about WR play in terms of its relevance to comparing '23 Ewers and '24 Ewers, rather than comparing Ewers to other QBs. 

For my personal tastes, I think Mitchell was a bit overrated but Whitt a little underrated.  Also a big Worthy fan.  But net, there is a decrease to ‘24.  Frosh Baxter was pretty much just a guy.  Brooks started slow and didn’t finish.  He had a great middle of the season. Blue as a pass catcher is somewhat of a unique talent.  In theory the Oline improved from ‘23 to ‘24.

I do believe the 2023 defenses versus the 2024 defenses we faced were easier to attack.  It’s the flip side when we look at our defense.  Their job game-by-game was easier in ‘24.

I would say it’s rational to believe Ewers work was more difficult in ‘24 than ‘23.

2 hours ago, Fondren & Main said:

I’m just pointing out that young talent generally makes mistakes compared to 3rd year players.  You saw a similar dropoff in 2009 when Colt no longer had Cosby and Collins.  Cosby wasn’t even drafted, but our 2009 offense would have been a great deal better if he hadn’t run out of eligibility.

No doubt about this.  On individual plays, it’s hard to see at times particularly in live action.  The non-fan favorites get the blame sometimes.  We might even have one in the secondary now that got blamed for others missteps in the past.

 

44 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Well, except for him literally losing games at Duke

Now, you’re playing the game.

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y’all are spending all this time talking about the wr room (which was one of the better wr rooms in america) as if it had anything to do with quinn’s issues. our wr room made quinn look *better* than he actually was (todd mcshay can’t stop creaming himself over how many bad throws were caught by golden) and y’all are in here talking about the “wr room drop off” like that’s why quinn has zero pocket presence, is scared to death to get hit, is inaccurate, has poor footwork, can’t throw deep, has no zip on his passes, routinely self sacks, etc. stop acting like it’s anyone else’s fault that QE was one of our offenses worst players last year. it wasn’t the wr room’s fault that QE was uninspiring as a qb.

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38 minutes ago, CBHorn said:

I swear, Quinn must have kicked the dogs of some of the posters around here. The guy's faults were real and acknowledged but some of you refuse to stop the ad nauseam critique. I too am excited for the team to move forward but I'm still pulling for Quinn to excel with the Dolphins. 

The poster above you is mental.  Best to ignore his posts on football.  He does a fine job on the basketball forum though.

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2 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

The poster above you is mental.  Best to ignore his posts on football.  He does a fine job on the basketball forum though.

*Laughs in Chris Beard thread*

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Ewers got a lot of help at Texas, and I think his shortcomings played a substantial role in the Georgia and Ohio State losses. Still, I think he could be the best QB on the Dolphins and I'd love to see him succeed at the next level. I don't care about that team at all, otherwise, so what's the harm in rooting for the guy?

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48 minutes ago, CBHorn said:

I swear, Quinn must have kicked the dogs of some of the posters around here. The guy's faults were real and acknowledged but some of you refuse to stop the ad nauseam critique. I too am excited for the team to move forward but I'm still pulling for Quinn to excel with the Dolphins. 

It won't matter. Even if Ewers took over this year and passed for 4k and 40, and Miami did no worse than the AFC CG...these dudes would still shit on Ewers. I don't like his politics or his choices, but he was easily one of the 10 best QBs in Longhorn history. Easily. But the talk on this thread is like he took a team full of AAs and went winless for his entire career.

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1 hour ago, CBHorn said:

I swear, Quinn must have kicked the dogs of some of the posters around here. The guy's faults were real and acknowledged but some of you refuse to stop the ad nauseam critique. I too am excited for the team to move forward but I'm still pulling for Quinn to excel with the Dolphins. 

you want a safe space; you want hornfans. how are we supposed to have a thread about any player, much less this player, if there’s NCAA- NO CRITICISM AT ALL? i have no idea why it hurts so many of you so deeply, or why you have this constant need to admonish anyone who doesn’t blindly slurp all things UT, but your sentiments have been duly noted for some time now. you think we don’t need any criticisms of QE being posted here? i can promise you that we don’t need anymore “gosh you guys are so mean and negative why can’t you just be positive” posts.

the other thing that’s so weird about this, and it’s the same in the hoops forum too: on game day there’s 1,000 posts just crushing half the players on the team, and that’s fine, but when it comes to the threads where we actually discuss these specific players then it’s just wildly out of line. “fuck player x, i hope he transfers and gets hit by a bus” = +30 rep in a game thread, meanwhile “player x needs to improve at a, b, and c” is wildly triggering to read in the player-dedicated thread. makes no sense.

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24 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

It won't matter. Even if Ewers took over this year and passed for 4k and 40, and Miami did no worse than the AFC CG...these dudes would still shit on Ewers.

kinda like how QE could be one of our worst offensive players the last two years and still get treated like vince young + tim tebow gave birth to the second coming of jesus christ by you and yours. weird how that works. 

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29 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

But the talk on this thread is like he took a team full of AAs and went winless for his entire career.

i wish you guys would ever, just once, actually back up these asinine statements with any sort of evidence at all, because it’s just not true. people have rightfully criticized QE for his shortcomings, and aside from one poster calling him a pussy 1,000 times, it really hasn’t gone too far beyond that. chris simms was a much better player who got mistreated 1,000x worse than quinn did. when quinn left Texas our fans acted like their hearts were being ripped out. in reality QE has way, way, way more support and way less BS criticism than you guys act like is the case. no one UT player has ever been more exalted for doing less, and yet so many of you remain forever hung up on the minority of us who weren’t blown away by his subpar play. get over it. 

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If you're wondering why Ewers has been catching shit all offseason, it's because a lot of people think we were better QB play away from winning a national championship, combined with his pedigree and who he had sitting behind him. Then he almost went undrafted. Argue it if you want, but that's the deal. 

Also, as discussed before, he was a solid but not great QB and we don't do that well around here. Like the same applies to Jake Majors but no one is arguing about him.

 

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23 minutes ago, Derka said:

kinda like how QE could be one of our worst offensive players the last two years and still get treated like vince young + tim tebow gave birth to the second coming of jesus christ by you and yours. weird how that works. 

Just like your other responses to me, that's 100% not what I said. "10 best" doesn't equate to VY + Tebow. Major Applewhite is likely also one of the 10 best and he's nowhere close to VY or Tebow. Texas hasn't had a shitload of worldbeaters at QB unlike, say, BYU or even Washington or USC. And I haven't posted in this thread in, what, months? Yet you responded within minutes. Dude, fuck off into the sun.

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1 minute ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Just like your other responses to me, that's 100% not what I said.

 

26 minutes ago, Derka said:
55 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

But the talk on this thread is like he took a team full of AAs and went winless for his entire career.

 

and who said this? you don’t get to talk about anyone mischaracterizing what you’ve said when this is how you started off this discussion. 

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21 minutes ago, Red Five said:

If you're wondering why Ewers has been catching shit all offseason, it's because a lot of people think we were better QB play away from winning a national championship,

twice.

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8 minutes ago, Derka said:

 

and who said this? you don’t get to talk about anyone mischaracterizing what you’ve said when this is how you started off this discussion. 

You did. By pointing out all the talent surrounding Ewers that Colt and VY didn't have.

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1 hour ago, AnotherLawyer said:

You did. By pointing out all the talent surrounding Ewers that Colt and VY didn't have.

that = “quinn took a team full of AA’s and went winless for his career”? 

i think it’s funny that you and your people make arguments like this, get overly emotional and neg my posts, and then walk away going, “man that derka is so emotional and immature.” yeah. that’s it.

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20 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Peak Derka.  Calling others overly emotional.  Can’t fucking make this shit up.  🤣 

exactly. it’s the very people who get upset at my benign disagreements who then swear up and down that it’s me who is overly emotional. i’m not the one speaking in crazy hyperbole or mass negging posters who disagree with me, and yet here we are. even you yourself have habitually made posts in this thread about what an unstable lunatic i am, even though none of my posts here bear that out to be true, and none of your personal attacks on me ever get a response- much less a rise- out of me. the irony is not only lost on you, you are the embodiment of said irony.

if only the legend of my volatility and immaturity matched my actual posting history, you’d really be on to something here. 

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21 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well you see, someone on the internet disagreed with Derka and he went nonlinear.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

since you’ve decided to inject yourself into this dumbass back and forth, i’ll invite you as well to actually quote someone- anyone- in this thread who’s “made it out to be as if quinn went winless at Texas.” 

meanwhile, y’all just keep proving my point. the lawyer guy made an indefensibly hyperbolic statement, i posted “nobody here has said that”, and now three of you are in here posting about me and how terrible i am, and not even pretending to contribute to the thread. but that’s on me, right? right. it could never be that y’all are the ones being overly emotional or combative, derailing the threads for no discernible reason, right? right. 

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10 minutes ago, Derka said:

since you’ve decided to inject yourself into this dumbass back and forth, i’ll invite you as well to actually quote someone- anyone- in this thread who’s “made it out to be as if quinn went winless at Texas.” 

meanwhile, y’all just keep proving my point. the lawyer guy made an indefensibly hyperbolic statement, i posted “nobody here has said that”, and now three of you are in here posting about me and how terrible i am, and not even pretending to contribute to the thread. but that’s on me, right? right. it could never be that y’all are the ones being overly emotional or combative, derailing the threads for no discernible reason, right? right. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Derka said:

since you’ve decided to inject yourself into this dumbass  back and forth, i’ll invite you as well to actually quote someone- anyone- in this thread who’s “made it out to be as if quinn went winless at Texas.” 

y’all just keep provoking my point. the lawyer guy made an indefensibly hyperbolic statement, i posted “nobody here has said that”, and now three of you are in here posting about me, and not the thread. but that’s on me, right? right. it could never be that y’all are the ones being overly emotional or combative, right? right. 

People say "like" and "as if" to indicate tone, not fact. You, on the other hand, make declarative statements (calling QE one of the worst players on O two years running, et al). Those are different things.

Also, game day is full of emotion. But you continue with that kind of emotion, as evidenced by your knee-jerk diatribes, months later. Again, different things.

And yet it appears you are unable to see those differences, therefore people get angry at you, questioning what the hell's going on upstairs.

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18 minutes ago, Derka said:

since you’ve decided to inject yourself into this dumbass back and forth, i’ll invite you as well to actually quote someone- anyone- in this thread who’s “made it out to be as if quinn went winless at Texas.” 

meanwhile, y’all just keep proving my point. the lawyer guy made an indefensibly hyperbolic statement, i posted “nobody here has said that”, and now three of you are in here posting about me and how terrible i am, and not even pretending to contribute to the thread. but that’s on me, right? right. it could never be that y’all are the ones being overly emotional or combative, derailing the threads for no discernible reason, right? right. 

My main point is that I disagree with your assessment of Ewers.  For one thing, I don't think Simms was "much better" nor do I think he got treated "1000X worse".  I think they were both good to very good college QBs who played a position for which Texas fans are notorious for criticizing a great deal.  Among other things, I disagree with these assertions you put on Ewers:

* he had zero pocket presence

* he was scared to death to get hit

* he was inaccurate

 

So if you want to defend those statements, be my guest, but this has been going on for years and I seriously doubt you have evidence to prove any of them true in the aggregate.

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3 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

People say "like" and "as if" to indicate tone, not fact. You, on the other hand, make declarative statements (calling QE one of the worst players on O two years running, et al). Those are different things.

they are different things. 

quinn was one of our worst offensive players- that’s the truth.

”you guys act as if quinn went winless- that’s wild, overly emotional hyperbole.

first, being “one of the worst offensive players at Texas” the last two years is hardly the insult you’re making it out to be, and second, i don’t make ad hominem posts like that to insult QE, i simply point this fact out whenever someone says, “quinn led us to the playoff semifinals two years in a row” or something similar. it’s then that i point out that our coaches, defense, and skill position players are who actually “led us” to back to back playoff semifinals, pointing out that QE was one of the weaker links during both seasons. that’s not shit talk, that’s simple fact. 

look, you guys don’t like/can’t handle criticism of your favorite players. fine. just don’t make it out to be anything else, like people are just mercilessly attacking quinn ewers, when in reality his adoring and dedicated fans have made him out to be something that he’s not, and all people are doing is pushing back against this false narrative that QE was a great qb who was the main reason for Texas’s recent success. he wasn’t. sorry.

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4 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Diatribe = lengthy rant. 

Knee-jerk reaction 

When used metaphorically, "knee-jerk" describes a response that is quick, instinctive, and not well-thought-out. 

It often suggests a reaction based on habit, emotion, or ingrained biases rather than careful consideration. 

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

For one thing, I don't think Simms was "much better" nor do I think he got treated "1000X worse". 

simms was easily better at Texas than QE was, and u seriously doubt you’ll find many here who would disagree with that.

as for how they were treated, my god, it’s not even close. not only did chris simms have none of the wildly faithful throngs of adorers that QE had/has, people *hated* chris simms in a way that QE’s biggest “haters” have never approached. simms has never wanted to come back here because of the way he was treated, meanwhile quinn is a demigod on campus and among most fans. this one isn’t even up for debate.

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9 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Diatribe = lengthy rant. 

you can’t make a knee-jerk reaction months after the fact, guy. but thanks for teaching *me* what a diatribe is. that is brand new information. 

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Just now, Derka said:

you can’t make a knee-jerk reaction months after the fact, guy. but thanks for teaching *me* what a diatribe is. that is brand new information. 

You made a knee-jerk reactions to the above posts, dipshit.

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7 minutes ago, Derka said:

quinn was one of our worst offensive players- that’s the truth.

Great example. This is not truth, nor fact. It's a (highly) contested opinion. Don't you see?

7 minutes ago, Derka said:

”you guys act as if quinn went winless- that’s wild, overly emotional hyperbole.

He said "as if" that makes it a comment on tone, not fact, making it not anywhere near "overly emotional hyperbole." Don't you see?

I suspect you don't see, which sucks for everyone.

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5 minutes ago, Derka said:

simms was easily better at Texas than QE was, and u seriously doubt you’ll find many here who would disagree with that.

as for how they were treated, my god, it’s not even close. not only did chris simms have none of the wildly faithful throngs of adorers that QE had/has, people *hated* chris simms in a way that QE’s biggest “haters” have never approached. simms has never wanted to come back here because of the way he was treated, meanwhile quinn is a demigod on campus and among most fans. this one isn’t even up for debate.

LMAO you are high.  I noticed you ignored my other points.

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11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

* he had zero pocket presence

* he was scared to death to get hit

* he was inaccurate

are you serious? is this a joke? this is like arguing that vince young wasn’t athletic, that ricky williams didn’t break tackles, that bryant westbrook didn’t hit hard. you’re highlighting the most glaring flaws in QE’s game and not only saying that you don’t believe they exist, but that nobody can back up such wild assertions. give me a second while i go back to march/april and find the posts in this thread (or was it the bro draft thread? 🤔) with that scathing in depth scouting report on quinn which highlighted all of these deficiencies in his game (and more). you know, the one that got posted right before QE nearly missed being drafted completely. not that your own eyeballs shouldn’t have already confirmed all of this for you already.

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It's impossible to push back on you hyperbolic assertions without you going nuts.  He wasn't "scared to death to get hit", as evidence by him getting clobbered multiple times while completing a pass.  He wasn't "inaccurate", not by a long shot.  He had more than "zero" pocket presence.

You are what you accuse others of.  I honestly don't think there is some sort of Major/Chris cult going on.  Quinn was good.  People saw him for what he was.  Well, you don't.  End of story.

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8 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Great example. This is not truth, nor fact. It's a (highly) contested opinion. Don't you see?

no, it is factually *not* a highly contested opinion. countless times in this thread i have ranked our starters from the last two teams, countless times i have invited others to do the same, and countless times, exactly zero of you have decided to partake, because it’s impossible to rank quinn ewers very highly when he’s been surrounded by kelvin banks, jonathan brooks, xavier worthy, ad mitchell, matthew golden, jt sanders, gunnar helm, et al. quinn was never in the top half of our best starting offensive players during his time at Texas. you want to be the first one to actually post your own list, be my guest. 

here’s a pertinent reminder for you: PFF ranked quinn ewers as the 12th best starting qb in the sec last year, 200th best in the nation. both of those facts have been posted here. now please, go ahead and make your own case that he wasn’t a weak link on our offense during his entire career here. blaze the trail brother.

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's impossible to push back on you hyperbolic assertions without you going nuts.

be sure to call me out the next time you see me “going nuts” in this thread. in fact feel free to back up this assertion with prior examples of my meltdowns over people disagreeing with me in this thread. i welcome it as an avenue for my own personal growth. get after it.

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