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17 minutes ago, Lerka Lerka said:

What happened to the Israel-Hamas war thread? 

Yep. Was just coming to ask that. Um, read the title folks. Nah, who cares, lets argue here.

Surly gonna Surly.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Bevo said:

This is a lie.

Hey everybody!

BIG NEWS:
The United States of America is not a sovereign nation with its own Constitution, history, and traditions. In fact, we're not even America. We are Mexico.

Also:
We were always at war with Eurasia and 2+2=5.

Posted
2 hours ago, Captainant said:

Your insistence that such an offense exists when it's been confirmed that there was no crime or wrongdoing, or even breaking Columbia's private code of conduct, is just ridiculous. This legal resident is being deported for having unpopular speech, in a nation that specifically protects freedom of speech from government reprisals. For EVERYONE - not just citizens. 

There was / is zero insistence. 

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Girth Brooks said:

 

I think this is the gist of it. 

https://x.com/SecRubio/status/1899892869332173133

"Coming to the United States on a visa is a privilege, not a right. The Trump Administration is determined to deny or revoke your visa if you're here to support terrorists."

More in the video from Rubio above.

Also, as has been stated by others they're not in circles singing Kumbaya

Amid Latest Columbia University Controversy, Media Fails to Convey Pro-Terror Radicalism Driving Key Players | Combat Antisemitism Movement

 

or to sum it up more cleanly

https://x.com/Joelmpetlin/status/1899268982487580797

 

 

For those interested in a more detailed legal explanation, Mahmoud Khalil is also deportable for another reason: Khalil is a spokesman for an organization that supports armed resistance by Hamas. That makes him deportable pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(4)(B). That provision in the statute allows the deportation of even lawful permanent residents who are "representative" of a "political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity.” 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)(aa)-(bb); see also id. at (B)(v) (“representative” defined as including “an officer, official, or spokesman of an organization.") Columbia University Apartheid Divestment (“CUAD”) supports armed resistance by Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization. See Sharon Otterman, Pro-Palestinian Group at Columbia Now Backs Armed Resistance by Hamas, N.Y. Times (Oct. 9, 2024), https://nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-palestinian-group-hamas.html…… (CUAD supports armed resistance by Hamas). Mahmoud Khalil is a spokesman for CUAD. See https://columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/04/24/cuad-negotiators-leave-talks-as-shafiks-midnight-deadline-passes/………… (“Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia student on the CUAD negotiating team.”).

 

You may not like the law, but don't pretend it doesn't exist.

FAFO, Mahmoud

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Maybe they were inflated, maybe they weren’t, no-one here is qualified to judge, but that article gets its info from (1) Honest Reporting, an Israeli pressure group that describes its mission as "combat[ting] ideological prejudice in journalism and the media, as it impacts Israel".  It has a decades long history of campaigns designed to silence criticism of Israel. It’s also targeted reporters, resulting in threat to them, from the AP, Reuters, NYT, CNN claiming they had foreknowledge of the Oct 7th attacks and claiming their accomplices with Hamas.  And (2) Henry Jackson Society a right wing, neoconservative think tank whose own founder calls it a far right, racist, anti-Muslim propaganda outfit.  
 

So just as someone should be very hesitant to believe Hamas numbers, you should be equally hesitant about this article.  

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12 hours ago, Jatrain said:

Maybe they were inflated, maybe they weren’t, no-one here is qualified to judge, but that article gets its info from (1) Honest Reporting, an Israeli pressure group that describes its mission as "combat[ting] ideological prejudice in journalism and the media, as it impacts Israel".  It has a decades long history of campaigns designed to silence criticism of Israel. It’s also targeted reporters, resulting in threat to them, from the AP, Reuters, NYT, CNN claiming they had foreknowledge of the Oct 7th attacks and claiming their accomplices with Hamas.  And (2) Henry Jackson Society a right wing, neoconservative think tank whose own founder calls it a far right, racist, anti-Muslim propaganda outfit.  
 

So just as someone should be very hesitant to believe Hamas numbers, you should be equally hesitant about this article.  

I will absolutely not be equally hesitant here as I am with Hamas. Call me crazy. 

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Oops?

 

Gaza aid worker killings: One humanitarian still missing in mass grave

 

Humanitarians work to recover the bodies of 15 first responders killed in their uniforms, who had been driving clearly marked vehicles, when they came under fire by Israeli forces on 23 March near Rafah, southern Gaza.

© UNOCHA
 
Humanitarians work to recover the bodies of 15 first responders killed in their uniforms, who had been driving clearly marked vehicles, when they came under fire by Israeli forces on 23 March near Rafah, southern Gaza.

“This is a huge blow to us…These people were shot,” said Jens Laerke, spokesperson for the UN aid coordination office, OCHA.

UN human rights chief Volker Türk issued a statement on Monday condemning the Israeli military's attack, calling for an independent, prompt and thorough investigation into the apparently systematic killings. 

“Normally we are not at a loss for words, and we are spokespeople, but sometimes we have difficulty finding them. This is one of those cases,” he told journalists in Geneva, referring to video footage taken near Tal-As-Sultan by an OCHA rescue party showing a crushed UN vehicle, ambulances and a fire truck that had been flattened and buried in the sand by the Israeli military.

Rafah mission
The clearly identified humanitarian workers from the Palestine Red Crescent Society, Palestinian Civil Defence and the UN Palestine refugee agency, UNRWA, had been despatched to collect injured people on 23 March in the Rafah area.

They came under fire from Israeli forces who were advancing in the area, OCHA’s top official in the Palestinian Occupied Territory said, in a detailed post on X.

Jonathan Whittall explained that on the day of the attack, five ambulances, a fire truck – and a UN vehicle which arrived following the initial assault – were all hit by Israeli fire, after which contact was lost with teams.

One survivor said Israeli forces had killed both of the crew in his ambulance, Mr. Whittall said. “For days, OCHA coordinated to reach the site but our access was only granted five days later…After hours of digging, we recovered one body - a civil defence worker beneath his fire truck.”

Bodies buried in the sand
The week-long rescue operation ended on Sunday 30 March with the recovery of the bodies of 15 humanitarian colleagues: eight from the Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS), six from the Palestinian Civil Defence (PCD) and the UNRWA worker.

The body of one more PRCS worker is still missing at the site, according to the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC), which on Monday repeated its calls for information from the Israeli military.

Available information indicated that the first team had been killed by Israeli forces on 23 March; the other emergency and aid crews were struck one after another over several hours as they searched for their missing colleagues, OCHA said.

High Commissioner for Human Rights Türk said in his statement that the discovery of the bodies buried next to their "clearly destroyed" vehicles was "deeply disturbing".

"This raises significant questions with regard to the conduct of the Israeli army during and in the aftermath of the incident," he added.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/04/1161736

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On 4/3/2025 at 3:30 PM, Enemy07 said:

The person makes it funny and easy to understand for the un-educated people. Americans need to wake the fuck up.

 

1st video was good until the 6:45 mark when it veered into utter nonsense. 2nd video was nonsense. Most Americans are awake and videos like these don’t change any minds. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Captainant said:

Pretty funny how one of the nation states funding hamas and Islamic extremism is just straight up bribing POTUS at this point

But Kamala was mean to some protesters who interrupted a rally, so same thing.

Posted
Just now, Brian Fantana said:

Do you ever stop jerking yourself off about this

Fuck no, I remain infuriated that a group of people let this happen on a false pretense, all in the name of moral self righteousness with zero fucks to give about actual Palestinian lives. 

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Just now, 'stache said:

Fuck no, I remain infuriated that a group of people let this happen on a false pretense, all in the name of moral self righteousness with zero fucks to give about actual Palestinian lives. 

You're making a lot of false assumptions here if you actually believe the scary Dearborn Arabs were at all responsible for Kamala not getting elected, and that no pro-Palestinian abstainer gives a fuck about Palestinian lives.

It actually just sounds like projection.

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Friendly reminder that Zionism is Nazism but don't kill random Israeli LARPers over it, or anyone else really. That cover it? Or should I just link to the thread that is covering this.

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4 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Friendly reminder that Zionism is Nazism but don't kill random Israeli LARPers over it, or anyone else really. That cover it? Or should I just link to the thread that is covering this.

Define "random Israeli LARPers"

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7 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

Thanks for the link, but it seems like the only data point stating he's a terrorist is from the Israeli government. From the article, he's gone to court and won monetary judgements over it because they could never produce anything to back their claims

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In 2013, Mr Birawi was designated by Israel as a Hamas operative in Europe and is the head of the Europal Forum, which Israel designated as a terrorist organisation in 2021.
The Europal Forum strongly denied any terror links, and in 2021 Mr Birwani received compensation after taking legal action against a financial database, which he said had wrongly placed him on a terrorism watch list.
He denied ever being involved in any illegal acts within the scope of terrorism crimes.

The article even states that its just being repeated over and over and sourcing the 12 year old claim without evidence from Israel. C'mon, man. Read better.

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2 hours ago, Captainant said:

Thanks for the link, but it seems like the only data point stating he's a terrorist is from the Israeli government. From the article, he's gone to court and won monetary judgements over it because they could never produce anything to back their claims

The article even states that its just being repeated over and over and sourcing the 12 year old claim without evidence from Israel. C'mon, man. Read better.

 

Did you read it? 

 

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Mr Birawi was photographed in 2012 with Ismail Haniyeh, the former Hamas leader who was assassinated last year by an explosive device suspected to have been placed by Israeli agents in his guest house in Tehran.
Mr Birawi was photographed in 2012 with Ismail Haniyeh, the former Hamas leader
Mr Birawi was photographed in 2012 with Ismail Haniyeh, the former Hamas leader

 

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Speaking in the Commons in October 2023, Christian Wakeford, the Labour MP for Bury South, used parliamentary privilege to name 63-year-old Mr Birawi as a Hamas operative living in Barnet, north London.
“He is listed as a trustee of a UK-registered charity, Education Aid for Palestinians, and publicly available video shows him hosting a 2019 event in London titled Understanding Hamas,” Mr Wakeford told MPs.
“Two weeks ago, Hamas launched the deadliest terror attack [the Oct 7 attack on Israel] the world has seen since 9/11. 
“It is therefore a serious national security risk for Hamas operatives to be living here in London, especially where at least one appears to have done so through the use of fake documents in obtaining British citizenship.”

 

Don't try to lawyer ball this, Birawi is an operative. 

Posted
8 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Did you read it? 

 

 

 

Don't try to lawyer ball this, Birawi is an operative. 

I mean, if we want to argue that simply being photographed over a decade ago means you're associates and complicit in their crimes... I don't think you're gonna like where that leads.

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Just to reiterate, the accusations made in parliament that you are highlighting are simply repeating the old claim from Israel. There is no new information or data to back your assertion, and Birawi has won monetary judgements over those unsupported accusations of him being a terrorist. 

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U.K., Canada, Australia and Others Impose Sanctions on Far-Right Israeli Ministers
The coordinated move highlights the hardening of several countries’ stance toward Israel amid the dire humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Five Western countries announced on Tuesday that they would impose sanctions on two far-right Israeli cabinet ministers, a remarkable rebuke of Israel’s leadership and a striking escalation of Western pressure on Israel over settler violence in the West Bank and the conduct of the war in Gaza.

Australia, Britain, Canada, New Zealand and Norway jointly imposed the sanctions, which will restrict the right to travel and will freeze the financial assets of the Israeli security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir; and the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich.

Mr. Smotrich and Mr. Ben-Gvir are among the most hard-line members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet. Both have called for the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza in statements that the British foreign secretary, David Lammy, has previously condemned as “monstrous.”

“Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich have incited extremist violence and serious abuses of Palestinian human rights,” Mr. Lammy and the foreign ministers of the four other countries said in a joint statement on Tuesday. “That is why we have taken action now — to hold those responsible to account.”

While the measures are in response to violence in the West Bank, British officials said they were also calculated to ratchet up the pressure on Mr. Netanyahu’s government to negotiate a cease-fire with Hamas in Gaza, at a time when the humanitarian situation in the enclave had become increasingly dire.

The Israeli foreign minister, Gideon Saar, reacted defiantly, describing the move as “unacceptable,” and saying the government would meet next week to discuss a response.

“It is outrageous that elected representatives and members of the government are subjected to these kind of measures,” Mr. Saar said.

The move to blacklist Mr. Ben-Gvir and Mr. Smotrich had been weeks in the making and came after Britain, Canada and France issued a stark statement last month about the treatment of civilians in Gaza.

But France did not join in imposing sanctions on Mr. Smotrich and Mr. Ben-Gvir, illustrating some differences in how allies are approaching Israel. British officials said they had sounded out officials in the Trump administration about the planned move in recent weeks and had not encountered strong resistance.

In their joint statement, the five countries said, “We will strive to achieve an immediate cease-fire in Gaza, the immediate release of the remaining hostages by Hamas, which can have no future role in the governance of Gaza, a surge in aid, and a path to a two-state solution.”

Speaking in Parliament in late May, Mr. Lammy denounced Israel’s conduct of the war. He said that Britain would suspend talks on a trade agreement and blasted comments by Mr. Smotrich about “cleansing” Gaza and moving its two million people to other countries.

“We must call this what it is,” Mr. Lammy said. “It is extremism. It is dangerous. It is repellent. It is monstrous.”

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I encourage all those nations (especially those that have recognized a Palestinian state) to establish consulates in Gaza and the West Bank. 

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Posted
9 hours ago, Captainant said:

Just to reiterate, the accusations made in parliament that you are highlighting are simply repeating the old claim from Israel. There is no new information or data to back your assertion, and Birawi has won monetary judgements over those unsupported accusations of him being a terrorist. 

 

What makes you think the parliamentary information didn't come from British intelligence? And Birawi winning judgements in civil court doesn't mean anything, he publicly supported Hamas before Oct 7th, and he publicly supported Hamas after Oct 7th. He is an agent.

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