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The belief in her as a viable candidate for anything greater than the house is on par with that fuckin idiot wulaw’s cfp claim on the football board. 

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2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is like running Stephen Miller for senate in California. 

Not her best idea doing this. She won’t win the primary and she’ll just be wasting Talarico’s time having to focus on her in this primary. Democrats seem to have terminal bad decision disease.

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3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is like running Stephen Miller for senate in California. 


Should she be the Dem nominee, I think the result is going to depend on how desperate people are come November. We just saw a gigantic swing in Miami, where the mayor has been a Republican for 28 years. 

She's going to have to run an exceptionally tight, smart campaign. No gaffes like Beto saying he would take your guns or whatever it was he said, but I don't think it's impossible. We could see a gigantic Latino/Hispanic swing next year, who knows?  



 

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6 hours ago, bluto said:

The belief in her as a viable candidate for anything greater than the house is on par with that fuckin idiot wulaw’s cfp claim on the football board. 

Wulaw also thought that Dodgers getting Ohtani for the price they paid was a bad decision. He's like an older Helo.

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Interesting-  apparently the NRSC ran a bunch of push polls and robocalls to push Crockett into the race. 
Smart.
 

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But the Republican efforts didn’t stop there. In what the source dubbed an “AstroTurf recruitment process,” the NRSC had “allies that were seeding these new polls pretty aggressively into progressive digital spaces.”

There were several recruitment phone calls and text messages that went out to Democrats and high-propensity voters across the state that would urge voters to contact and advocate for Crockett to join the race, the source said.

 

 

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4 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

Not her best idea doing this. She won’t win the primary and she’ll just be wasting Talarico’s time having to focus on her in this primary. Democrats seem to have terminal bad decision disease.

I’m glad she’s running. Primaries are good. If Talarico can beat her he’ll be in a much stronger position against whoever. 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I’m glad she’s running. Primaries are good. If Talarico can beat her he’ll be in a much stronger position against whoever. 

I'm just totally befuddled that this board has defaulted into a position that Talarico's candidacy is hindered by having a primary opponent.  

No one was claiming he was doomed running against charisma vacuum Allred.  Presumably surly would believe competition good in other arenas...

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6 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I’m glad she’s running. Primaries are good. If Talarico can beat her he’ll be in a much stronger position against whoever. 

I feel primary challengers are good in normal times and in states that are not like Texas. Talarico gains nothing by having to make his case against Congresswoman Crockett. 

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1 minute ago, UpperWestside said:

I feel primary challengers are good in normal times and in states that are not like Texas. Talerico gains nothing by having to make his case against Congresswoman Crockett. 

Why not?  Texas has 4 million or so African Americans, at least half of whom are voting age, and Crockett looks and sounds far more like them than Talarico does.  You think he’s entitled to their vote just because Cornyn is awful in the kitchen and Paxton is a felon in a just universe?  

I bet of those 2.3 million (old data, 2015 census), maybe 10% could even name who is running and Talarico needs help getting his name out.  
 

Who would you rather he be facing in the primary?

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3 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

Talarico gains nothing by having to make his case against Congresswoman Crockett. 

Except attention, community exposure, a raised profile in the general electorate, money, at-bats, learning to win, etc. And she gains the same from him. Remember- other than political junkies not many people know either of them. 
 

Not picking on you because that’s the conventional wisdom, but let me turn the idea around- why would a compelling, high contrast race between two good candidates who are very different from each other be bad? 

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3 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

I just clearly stated my position on this. 

 

39 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Nobody.

 

And I’m a black

I can’t tell if you both agree with me that Talarico has some real weaknesses as a candidate and worry that Crockett might expose them, or think him invincible and therefore any challenge is unworthy of him.  
 

Regardless, I’m on team @Bozo_Casanova on this-he needs the testing and we just had all the evidence in the world that annointing a candidate, essentially forgoing a primary leads to a bad result.  
 

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Except attention, money, at-bats, learning to win, etc. And she gains the same from him.
 

Not picking on you because that’s the conventional wisdom, but let me turn the idea around- why would a compelling, high contrast race between two good candidates who are very different from each other be bad? 

I feel like I already answered this, but I’ll try and restate it with more words. I do not, in theory, think it is ever a bad idea to have this in a time of normalcy where you have a modicum of decorum etc. These are not normal times. Every single day he is not out canvassing the state presenting to voters in Texas his ideas for how to attempt to right a ship that’s leaning heavily towards sinking is a day wasted. You want to hold this contested primary in a time where contrasting two candidates and their ideas matter is different than the current landscape of combatting fascism that now has a fairly firm grip on Texas. Time is of the essence in attempting to fight back. Talarico is, and I think this will hold true, the right sex and color for that state. I find that abhorrent because I’d personally rather vote for women of color almost all of the time. I was able to vote for AOC once when I lived in her district. Talarico will be able to talk to people who normally do not want to hear one of those evil libtards because of how he looks and that he’s a man. It’s not right, but it is what it is. 
 

I also happen to like Congresswoman Crockett quite a bit. Her and AOC are two that I enjoy listening to. She just is not going to win a statewide race in fascist Texas. I want ideas to matter and I want to hear a diverse array of them. I won’t agree with every single thing a Democratic candidate thinks or says, but I want to hear their ideas in a normal time. This just is not it. 

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54 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

he needs the testing and we just had all the evidence in the world that annointing a candidate, essentially forgoing a primary leads to a bad result.  

And not for nothing. she needs it too.

40 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

You want to hold this contested primary in a time where contrasting two candidates and their ideas matter is different than the current landscape of combatting fascism that now has a fairly firm grip on Texas.

Absolutely I do! Nothing could be more important than Democrats getting attention as alternatives. Which they cannot do without spectacle. What would you have them do otherwise? Write editorials and put out position papers?

40 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

I want ideas to matter and I want to hear a diverse array of them. I won’t agree with every single thing a Democratic candidate thinks or says, but I want to hear their ideas in a normal time. This just is not it. 

There is no day but today and no world but what we make. Sack up, pick one, throw them some dollars, and be prepared to vote for the other if you need to. 

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1 hour ago, UpperWestside said:

I feel like I already answered this, but I’ll try and restate it with more words. I do not, in theory, think it is ever a bad idea to have this in a time of normalcy where you have a modicum of decorum etc. These are not normal times. Every single day he is not out canvassing the state presenting to voters in Texas his ideas for how to attempt to right a ship that’s leaning heavily towards sinking is a day wasted. You want to hold this contested primary in a time where contrasting two candidates and their ideas matter is different than the current landscape of combatting fascism that now has a fairly firm grip on Texas. Time is of the essence in attempting to fight back. Talarico is, and I think this will hold true, the right sex and color for that state. I find that abhorrent because I’d personally rather vote for women of color almost all of the time. I was able to vote for AOC once when I lived in her district. Talarico will be able to talk to people who normally do not want to hear one of those evil libtards because of how he looks and that he’s a man. It’s not right, but it is what it is. 
 

I also happen to like Congresswoman Crockett quite a bit. Her and AOC are two that I enjoy listening to. She just is not going to win a statewide race in fascist Texas. I want ideas to matter and I want to hear a diverse array of them. I won’t agree with every single thing a Democratic candidate thinks or says, but I want to hear their ideas in a normal time. This just is not it. 

This is where I’m at.  My fear is that if she wins the primary, she will lose by 30 points in the general. Talarico will probably lose by the regular 4-8 points, but I’d rather him get close and have a slim chance than her get waxed. It would might effectively end her career too. She should keep her powder dry for when/if we wrest control from the fascist, racist magats. 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Absolutely I do! Nothing could be more important than Democrats getting attention as alternatives. Which they cannot do without spectacle. What would you have them do otherwise? Write editorials and put out position papers?

There is no day but today and no world but what we make. Sack up, pick one, throw them some dollars, and be prepared to vote for the other if you need to. 

I do not know how else I can say why this is not in the best interests of Texas Democrats. Fascists run Texas right now. Ms. Crockett is not going to win a statewide race under those circumstances. I have a better chance of the Lakers signing me to play shooting guard than she would have flipping that state right now. No amount of spectacle is going to change that. Talarico, once again, should be out canvassingTexas trying to break the fever grip of fascism that has engulfed the state. He’s the one for this cycle. Whether he wins or not I do not know. I do know Ms. Crockett should’ve ran for Congress again. That is where she can affect change. 

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5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is where I’m at.  My fear is that if she wins the primary, she will lose by 30 points in the general. Talarico will probably lose by the regular 4-8 points, but I’d rather him get close and have a slim chance than her get waxed. It would might effectively end her career too. She should keep her powder dry for when/if we wrest control from the fascist, racist magats. 

This is more/less my view. Talarico is obviously an underdog in Texas. That whole being kind to others and treating all people with dignity and love doesn’t play well with the die-hard in the cult. Out of the two he still has the better shot to win, even if it’s a long one.

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Adding on, I think it’s completely fucked that it purely comes down to her being a woman and a woman of color. She could have some amazing ideas and policy stances, but she is disqualified in Texas from the jump. This is also the lesson we have learned about the presidency. White males only please. 

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2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Adding on, I think it’s completely fucked that it purely comes down to her being a woman and a woman of color. She could have some amazing ideas and policy stances, but she is disqualified in Texas from the jump. This is also the lesson we have learned about the presidency. White males only please. 

If I had to put co one that I would want to see win it would be her, but for the reasons you stated it won’t happen and I also find that extremely disappointing. So incredibly ignorant to judge her because she is a black woman and one that has no qualms about voicing her thoughts. I love that about her. 
 

I have only been in relationships or dated black women since my 2nd year of college. They’ve all been women who work twice as hard as their white counterparts and I can say that they were all exceptionally intelligent as well. All beautiful too, but that’s another story. I say that to say that I feel strongly about seeing black women in the halls of power. The more the merrier.

 

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11 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

My fear is that if she wins the primary, she will lose by 30 points in the general

So vote for Talarico. But if she’s truly that bad of a candidate and Talarico/his surrogates can’t make the case, how could he possibly be expected to run a good campaign in a general election?

11 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

I do not know how else I can say why this is not in the best interests of Texas Democrats. Fascists run Texas right now. Ms. Crockett is not going to win a statewide race under those circumstances. 

I don’t know how else I can say this is not in the best interests of Texas Democrats. Clearing the field for low profile candidates who are perceived to be the most electable doesn’t help and has literally never worked for a Democrat in this state. 

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I hope she whoops his ass. Neither of them is going to win the general but I would rather see her giving Cornyn / Paxton a ton of shit than the usual lame ass, middle of the road “we need to come together as Texans” bullshit. 
 

Fuck him up, bae. 

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On 12/10/2025 at 5:41 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

Interesting-  apparently the NRSC ran a bunch of push polls and robocalls to push Crockett into the race. 
Smart.

Republicans aren't dumb, and know that a black female Democrat ain't winning a statewide election anytime soon (i.e., our lifetimes), so from an objective standpoint this is a good strategy.

I'm little worried that a significant number of Republicans will vote in the Democratic primary in an effort to get Crockett on the ballot for the November general election.  On the one hand, they do have their own contested primary to consider.  On the other hand, I wonder if they really don't care which dipshit MAGA wins that Senate seat, just as long as the Democrats have less of a chance with a weaker candidate.  

And I say this all as a fan of Crockett.  But I know my state.

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

So vote for Talarico. But if she’s truly that bad of a candidate and Talarico/his surrogates can’t make the case, how could he possibly be expected to run a good campaign in a general election?

I don’t know how else I can say this is not in the best interests of Texas Democrats. Clearing the field for low profile candidates who are perceived to be the most electable doesn’t help and has literally never worked for a Democrat in this state. 

She’s a great candidate. In normal times. We are not in normal times. 

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2 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I hope she whoops his ass. Neither of them is going to win the general but I would rather see her giving Cornyn / Paxton a ton of shit than the usual lame ass, middle of the road “we need to come together as Texans” bullshit. 
 

Fuck him up, bae. 

I like Talarico but you make a great point. There’s something to be said for an attention getter who is willing to go scorched earth. Plus she’s funny and doesn’t seem like a scold, and that’s the biggest of the many reason why the comparison to Stacy Abrams is so hollow. 

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

She’s a great candidate. In normal times. We are not in normal times. 

We never are.

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