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And I can think that a&m was overrated because they beat no one all year AND that because they were rated so highly that we should get credit in other people’s eyes for beating the team they rated so highly. 

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7 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

This is my favorite message board stupidity. 

"I think I am wise because I point out the logical disconnect between different posts but in reality I'm too slow to realize that different people having different opinions is not hypocritical."

Also known as

"My stupid ass thinks everyone else on this message board is one person."

You don’t think there were a lot of posters calling the aggies trash and now bragging about beating #3?  

Posted
1 minute ago, Your Mom said:

You don’t think there were a lot of posters calling the aggies trash and now bragging about beating #3?  

I never called them trash. I was already calling them aggies...no need to be redundant.

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2 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

You don’t think there were a lot of posters calling the aggies trash and now bragging about beating #3?  

We aren’t the ones who had them rated 3. But we should get credit for beating them. 

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2 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

You don’t think there were a lot of posters calling the aggies trash and now bragging about beating #3?  

we aren't the ones that make the rules and rated them #3.  we can tell you and show you we were right and brag about beating #3.  what is so difficult?

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2 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

You don’t think there were a lot of posters calling the aggies trash and now bragging about beating #3?  

Name them

For example I believe they were overrated at #3 but we should still get credit for another Top 10 win. Explain in detail how that's incorrect or hypocritical. 

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It's not a playoff, it's a brand name invitational when teams with more losses are being campaigned for and included based on the brand name while excluding and campaigning against other schools with more merit, based on having a better record.  No 3 loss (or even 2 loss teams should be campaigned for and included over programs with only 1 or 2 losses and equal SOS).   What is being done to BYU is downright criminal (in a way)  Something needs to change or I'm tuning out on college football.  

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6 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

It's crazy for the #16 ranked team to beat the #3 team by 10 points and then only move up 2 spots while they move down to #7. Both should have moved more spots. 

I don’t think enough credit is placed on head to head wins unless you end up with the same record. I also think the head to head is discounted if it is a rivalry game—zero u and ag. They only look at the loss total. I agree with you. If one drops 4 spots, the move up for the lower team should be same—problem is we are back into the number of losses bs.

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57 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

What? It’s a meaningless game. Play Arch so he gets more game reps. Why would we play someone who won’t be here next year?

Im not playing Arch behind a backup line. 

The game belongs to Lacy with Caldwell backing up

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Posted
1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Has a 9 win-regular season team ever played in the Texas bowl?

2023 - OkSt came in at 9-4 and won.
2009 - Navy: 9-4 and won.
2008 - Rice: 9-3 and won.
2008 - WMU: 9-3 then lost.
2006 - Rutgers: 10-2 then won.

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32 minutes ago, RecoveringAlcoholic said:

It's not a playoff, it's a brand name invitational when teams with more losses are being campaigned for and included based on the brand name while excluding and campaigning against other schools with more merit, based on having a better record.  No 3 loss (or even 2 loss teams should be campaigned for and included over programs with only 1 or 2 losses and equal SOS).   What is being done to BYU is downright criminal (in a way)  Something needs to change or I'm tuning out on college football.  

Holy shit you fucking retard. This is literally the dumbest thing I’ve seen posted all day. 

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Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Holy shit you fucking retard. This is literally the dumbest thing I’ve seen posted all day. 

Because it doesn't fit your orange-colored narrative?  Maybe you can counter with something substantive to counter and refute?

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Posted
14 minutes ago, RecoveringAlcoholic said:

Because it doesn't fit your orange-colored narrative?  Maybe you can counter with something substantive to counter and refute?

Who is your school?

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26 minutes ago, RecoveringAlcoholic said:

Because it doesn't fit your orange-colored narrative?  Maybe you can counter with something substantive to counter and refute?

Maybe you can take your salty ass back to Mormonsoak.com

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24 minutes ago, RecoveringAlcoholic said:

Because it doesn't fit your orange-colored narrative?  Maybe you can counter with something substantive to counter and refute?

I appreciate your opinion and I don’t think you should get banned for having it. There’s a lot about the way CFB is run that’s not fair. We’re getting shafted this year, but we mostly have ourselves to thank for it. 

I think BYU is a decent team, but I don’t think you have a strong resume and certainly not a strong SOS. Y’all can’t help that. We’ll both be on the outside looking in unless y’all can beat Tech. 

But don’t be mad at us. We played 5 top ten teams, beating 3 of them. 

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Nobody seriously believes that any other team in the CFP conversation would have won three of five against Ohio State, Vandy, ousux, aggy, and Georgia. If BYU were to sneak in, they would be blown out and embarrassed. Same goes for Utah, Virginia, and whichever G5 gets in.

"Deserve" should not have anything to do with it. The task of the committee is to find the five best conference champions and the seven best at-large teams, using all of the information available to it.

The five best conference champs will come from the P4 conferences and from one G5 conference. I don't think anyone here would disagree that Texas for most of the season was not one of the seven best at-large teams, but they clearly improved and are currently better at least six of the other teams in the CFP conversation. I don't think any of the other six teams should come from the Big XII, and the only teams outside the SEC and B1G who have any business being considered one of the seven best at-large teams are Miami and Notre Dame (in that order). We should not be rewarding teams for avoiding tough competition by granting them playoff spots.

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21 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

I appreciate your opinion and I don’t think you should get banned for having it. There’s a lot about the way CFB is run that’s not fair. We’re getting shafted this year, but we mostly have ourselves to thank for it. 

I think BYU is a decent team, but I don’t think you have a strong resume and certainly not a strong SOS. Y’all can’t help that. We’ll both be on the outside looking in unless y’all can beat Tech. 

But don’t be mad at us. We played 5 top ten teams, beating 3 of them. 

Maybe if the CFP committee puts a stone in a hat, they’ll see that BYU is deserving

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Posted
13 hours ago, 6th Street said:

The CFP result is what it is. But all things considered, 9-3 with a terrible OL and secondary and inconsistent Arch in a transition year with this schedule is damn solid. If not for Ryan Niblett's late game heroics at UK and MSU, the season could have gone sideways. 

With a good offseason in the portal (rebuilt OL, new RB, TE, and CB) and a more mature Arch we should be vastly improved.

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Nobody seriously believes that any other team in the CFP conversation would have won three of five against Ohio State, Vandy, ousux, aggy, and Georgia. If BYU were to sneak in, they would be blown out and embarrassed. Same goes for Utah, Virginia, and whichever G5 gets in.

"Deserve" should not have anything to do with it. The task of the committee is to find the five best conference champions and the seven best at-large teams, using all of the information available to it.

The five best conference champs will come from the P4 conferences and from one G5 conference. I don't think anyone here would disagree that Texas for most of the season was not one of the seven best at-large teams, but they clearly improved and are currently better at least six of the other teams in the CFP conversation. I don't think any of the other six teams should come from the Big XII, and the only teams outside the SEC and B1G who have any business being considered one of the seven best at-large teams are Miami and Notre Dame (in that order). We should not be rewarding teams for avoiding tough competition by granting them playoff spots.

Of course deserves matters, why fucking play the games if we are just going to decide games based on Vegas lines? that said playing an extremely hard schedule, one specifically chosen to be brutal by picking a deathstar program in tOSU, means that Texas with 3 losses does deserve to be in over a team with much weaker schedule and two losses, and yes SOS calculations are not good enough to measure 5 top 10 games. Hell there were 3 top 5 games.

The answer is simple If you obsess about losses than only Q1 record matters, SOS is irrelevant

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Kinda ridiculous that the only way now to get additional practice time per NCAA rules if you don’t make the CFB playoffs is to show up at an embarrassing tool bowl. With NIL and CFB playoffs sloppy seconds bowls really are a waste as well as risk of injury. It’s not even at the level of a “friendly” in soccer. All teams should get the same practice time for a season. No need for an NIT equivalent in football these days IMO. Make the playoffs , or go home , nurse your wounds, work the portal, and get better for next season.

As for the “bowl swag”I am sure players would rather have cash than the Temu junk , unless you’re an aggy.

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3 minutes ago, linux said:

Of course deserves matters, why fucking play the games if we are just going to decide games based on Vegas lines? that said playing an extremely hard schedule, one specifically chosen to be brutal by picking a deathstar program in tOSU, means that Texas with 3 losses does deserve to be in over a team with much weaker schedule and two losses, and yes SOS calculations are not good enough to measure 5 top 10 games. Hell there were 3 top 5 games.

The answer is simple If you obsess about losses than only Q1 record matters, SOS is irrelevant

The mission of the CFP committee, from its website:

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol

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MISSION
The committee’s task will be to select the best teams, rank the teams for inclusion in the playoff and then assign the teams to the playoff bracket and their game sites.

It does not say to select the "most deserving" teams. It says to select the "best" teams. That's a very meaningful distinction.

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The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:

  • Strength of schedule,
  • Head-to-head competition,
  • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
  • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.

The key phrases to me here is: "comparable teams"

Must Team A have the same record as Team B in order for them to be "comparable" enough that the "process" comes into play? Because I believe Texas has everyone else beat as far as these factors are concerned. The only principled way to avoid using these factors is by saying 3-loss teams cannot be "comparable" to 2-loss teams.

Honestly, they should record and televise the entire deliberation process. Full transparency, like an ACC video review of a ruling on the field.

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Just now, chainsaw said:

The mission of the CFP committee, from its website:

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol

It does not say to select the "most deserving" teams. It says to select the "best" teams. That's a very meaningful distinction.

The key phrases to me here is: "comparable teams"

Must Team A have the same record as Team B in order for them to be "comparable" enough that the "process" comes into play? Because I believe Texas has everyone else beat as far as these factors are concerned. The only principled way to avoid using these factors is by saying 3-loss teams cannot be "comparable" to 2-loss teams.

Honestly, they should record and televise the entire deliberation process. Full transparency, like an ACC video review of a ruling on the field.

This is not correct, see the conf champs autobids that also include a G5 champ. They are just using the colloquial definition of best, in this definition Tulane, JMU, et al are the colloquial best when we all know they are not in what WE define as best, in what Vegas defines as best.

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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The mission of the CFP committee, from its website:

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol

It does not say to select the "most deserving" teams. It says to select the "best" teams. That's a very meaningful distinction.

The key phrases to me here is: "comparable teams"

Must Team A have the same record as Team B in order for them to be "comparable" enough that the "process" comes into play? Because I believe Texas has everyone else beat as far as these factors are concerned. The only principled way to avoid using these factors is by saying 3-loss teams cannot be "comparable" to 2-loss teams.

Honestly, they should record and televise the entire deliberation process. Full transparency, like an ACC video review of a ruling on the field.

good stuff.  as I have been saying, yes comparable teams mean the loss column which is 90% of the criteria.  the others can be used for tie breakers in loss column.

it doesn't matter that we pants'd OU, Vandy and Aggy.  we have 3 losses.

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5 minutes ago, linux said:

This is not correct, see the conf champs autobids that also include a G5 champ. They are just using the colloquial definition of best, in this definition Tulane, JMU, et al are the colloquial best when we all know they are not in what WE define as best, in what Vegas defines as best.

For rankings purposes, they are selecting who is "best" and ranking accordingly. The five "best" conference champs take up five of the spots on the bracket, and the seven "best" remaining teams on the rankings are the teams who fill out the rest of the bracket, which is seeded according to their ranking.

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3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

comparable teams mean the loss column which is 90% of the criteria.

Well, sure, but if that were actually the case an undefeated G5 team would always be ranked ahead of a 1-loss P4 team, and a 1-loss G5 team would always be ranked ahead of a 2-loss P4 team, and so-on and so forth, but that clearly isn't true. There are 1-loss teams who are currently ranked behind ND, ousux, and Alabama.

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7 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

For rankings purposes, they are selecting who is "best" and ranking accordingly. The five "best" conference champs take up five of the spots on the bracket, and the seven "best" remaining teams on the rankings are the teams who fill out the rest of the bracket, which is seeded according to their ranking.

It's still just semantics, until they go with something like FPI then they are not picking what we define Best on this board, it is a subjective interpretation of Best AND Deserving. 

Texas is better than BYU IMHO, even with 7 losses, that said considering our brutal SOS a one loss delta should be enough to overcome,Texas is more deserving than a 2 loss BYU, but not more than a 1 loss BYU.

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Just now, linux said:

It's still just semantics, until they go with something like FPI then they are not picking what we define Best on this board, it is a subjective interpretation of Best AND Deserving. 

Texas is better than BYU IMHO, even with 7 losses, that said considering our brutal SOS a one loss delta should be enough to overcome, a 2 loss BYU we are more deserving, but not a 1 loss BYU.

I would avoid indulging concepts like "more deserving," but I agree that the argument for who's better is easier to make when BYU has two losses instead of one. If Tech loses, the argument that Texas is better is easier to make. The committee would be dumb to allow two teams from that conference to get in.

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Well, sure, but if that were actually the case an undefeated G5 team would always be ranked ahead of a 1-loss P4 team, and a 1-loss G5 team would always be ranked ahead of a 2-loss P4 team, and so-on and so forth, but that clearly isn't true. There are 1-loss teams who are currently ranked behind ND, ousux, and Alabama.

My problem is, if it's not about "who do we think the best 12 are" I'd like to know what exactly these three teams have accomplished to justify their ranking other than having a 0/1/ 2 in the L column.

Indiana

Texas Tech 

Notre Dame 

 

We're giving a team #2 for beating Oregon and not really anything else. 

A team #5 for beating BYU and Utah

And a team #9 for losing to #7 and #12 closely. 

 

What the fuck are we doing? 

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2 hours ago, RecoveringAlcoholic said:

What is being done to BYU is downright criminal (in a way)  Something needs to change or I'm tuning out on college football.  

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Watching the game back, Id keep us out of the playoff for whoever's decision it was to put Baxter in the game over Wisner in the middle of the 4th.  Wisner was destroying them, why go away from him at all?

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9 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

My problem is, if it's not about "who do we think the best 12 are" I'd like to know what exactly these three teams have accomplished to justify their ranking other than having a 0/1/ 2 in the L column.

Indiana

Texas Tech 

Notre Dame 

 

We're giving a team #2 for beating Oregon and not really anything else. 

A team #5 for beating BYU and Utah

And a team #9 for losing to #7 and #12 closely. 

 

What the fuck are we doing? 

You're right. I would say all of those teams are overranked and overrated. Notre Dame I sort of understand the invisible hand of moneyed interests trying to help them qualify since they have no access to an auto bid. Indiana and Tech could very easily be exposed in the playoffs, though. Assuming Indiana loses to Ohio State in the conference title game, I don't have an issue with them having a playoff bid just like they had one last year.

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7 minutes ago, chemHORN said:

Watching the game back, Id keep us out of the playoff for whoever's decision it was to put Baxter in the game over Wisner in the middle of the 4th.  Wisner was destroying them, why go away from him at all?

Sark likes to freak out the fans. 

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I don't understand how BYU is being mistreated here. They beat Tech and they are in as the Big 12 champ right? What's the problem? They control their own destiny.

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2 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I don't understand how BYU is being mistreated here. They beat Tech and they are in as the Big 12 champ right? What's the problem? They control their own destiny.

A team that thinks they deserve the chance to play Georgia, Alabama, Ohio St is afraid they won't beat Texas Tech.... 

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1 minute ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

A team that thinks they deserve the chance to play Georgia, Alabama, Ohio St is afraid they won't beat Texas Tech.... 

Don't be a bitch Cougars. If you think you deserve to be national champions you should be able to beat anybody. If you lose well you weren't good enough.

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3 hours ago, RecoveringAlcoholic said:

No 3 loss (or even 2 loss teams should be campaigned for and included over programs with only 1 or 2 losses and equal SOS).

I'm not 100% sure what we're talking about, but that has never stopped me before.

BYU's SOS is 35. Texas SOS is 8. 

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38 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Well, sure, but if that were actually the case an undefeated G5 team would always be ranked ahead of a 1-loss P4 team, and a 1-loss G5 team would always be ranked ahead of a 2-loss P4 team, and so-on and so forth, but that clearly isn't true. There are 1-loss teams who are currently ranked behind ND, ousux, and Alabama.

It applies for SEC and Big Ten and ND.  I am not saying it never happens but it is probably 95% of the time.  Indiana last year is an example because they were "new money" and their schedule was so weak.

10-1 BYU is the only team in the top 16 not ranked in order of loss column.  And that is probably because they expect them to get drilled by Tech and will drop anyway.  They always sprinkle in the other 2 P4's and a G5 to make it look good, especially farther down the poll you go(again where it doesn't really matter).

The portion of the poll that actually matters is basically loss column and pretty much as been that way for the last  50 to 60 years or so.  before that the east coast media bias had situations where loss column was sometimes ignored for national champions. 1960 is a good example Minnesota was 9-1, Ole Miss was 9-0-1 but there are others, especially before AP and UPI/Coaches moved to post Bowl game ranking.

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1 hour ago, SarksJuggs said:


shitty ass resumé 😂

 

the new mythical SOR - this seems like some bullshit 

The "strength of record" (SOR) for an average top 25 team is the probability that an average team in the top 25 would achieve the same record or better given the team's specific schedule. It’s a metric that measures both the quality of a team's record and the difficulty of the games it has played. 
  • How it's calculated: SOR compares a team's actual record against its schedule to the record an average top-25 team would likely achieve with that same schedule.
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1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

Don't be a bitch Cougars. If you think you deserve to be national champions you should be able to beat anybody. If you lose well you weren't good enough.

Haha. Texas has 3 losses and it required overtime to beat Kensucky. A&M is a total fraud and you exposed them (good job btw), so don't get too mighty off that win. Maybe tap the breaks on the bitch talk. 

I think Tech is capable of winning it all and I think BYU is one of the 12 best teams in the country that deserves a shot in the playoff. We have lost 3 games in two years. The playoff should not be the SEC Season 2 Electric Boogaloo. 4 teams from the SEC is more than enough. 

This is the age of NIL and talent is more spread around. Tech has one of the best defenses money can buy. The SEC does not have the talent advantage it use to have, but some people are looking at Tech and BYU with a pre-NIL lens and just assuming an SEC team is superior because it's in the SEC. Fake news. 

Also, by your logic, anyone who loses their conference title game should be out of the playoff. If they can't beat that opponent, then they don't deserve to be in. Only Ohio State or Indiana but not both? Only Alabama or Georgia? Is that how your logic works? 

 

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9 minutes ago, Crockett said:

Haha. Texas has 3 losses and it required overtime to beat Kensucky. A&M is a total fraud and you exposed them (good job btw), so don't get too mighty off that win. Maybe tap the breaks on the bitch talk. 

I think Tech is capable of winning it all and I think BYU is one of the 12 best teams in the country that deserves a shot in the playoff. We have lost 3 games in two years. The playoff should not be the SEC Season 2 Electric Boogaloo. 4 teams from the SEC is more than enough. 

This is the age of NIL and talent is more spread around. Tech has one of the best defenses money can buy. The SEC does not have the talent advantage it use to have, but some people are looking at Tech and BYU with a pre-NIL lens and just assuming an SEC team is superior because it's in the SEC. Fake news. 

Also, by your logic, anyone who loses their conference title game should be out of the playoff. If they can't beat that opponent, then they don't deserve to be in. Only Ohio State or Indiana but not both? Only Alabama or Georgia? Is that how your logic works? 

 

The sooner you accept that nobody respects the big 12, the easier all of this is.

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36 minutes ago, Crockett said:

Haha. Texas has 3 losses and it required overtime to beat Kensucky. A&M is a total fraud and you exposed them (good job btw), so don't get too mighty off that win. Maybe tap the breaks on the bitch talk. 

I think Tech is capable of winning it all and I think BYU is one of the 12 best teams in the country that deserves a shot in the playoff. We have lost 3 games in two years. The playoff should not be the SEC Season 2 Electric Boogaloo. 4 teams from the SEC is more than enough. 

This is the age of NIL and talent is more spread around. Tech has one of the best defenses money can buy. The SEC does not have the talent advantage it use to have, but some people are looking at Tech and BYU with a pre-NIL lens and just assuming an SEC team is superior because it's in the SEC. Fake news. 

Also, by your logic, anyone who loses their conference title game should be out of the playoff. If they can't beat that opponent, then they don't deserve to be in. Only Ohio State or Indiana but not both? Only Alabama or Georgia? Is that how your logic works? 

 

I am aware. I am not losing any sleep over the fact that Texas will probably not be going to the playoff. This isn't 2008. We don't have a truly great team that just fell short in some tragic way. We sucked in some games and deserved each of our three losses. Probably should have lost a few more. I am perfectly fine calling it a season at this point. But hey if by some weird fluke Texas gets in, well let's fucking go.

If we were going to the SEC title game and had a chance to beat Georgia and get in, and lose and we were out that would be fine by me. If we were in the same situation BYU was in that would be great. But Texas doesn't have that opportunity, we are sitting at home hoping a series of unlikely miracles occur. BYU can play their way in.

I guess my logic is you want to be in the playoff it is because you think you are good enough to win it. Not just to be there. If you don't think you can beat Texas Tech then you probably won't beat Ohio State. Besides the Big 12 Championship is clearly sort of a playoff game anyway. The winner moves on, the loser goes home. I like it. Nice and pure.

Or maybe Texas Tech gets in either way, that's lame. But what can you do?

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