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6 hours ago, Mileslong said:

UCF shouldn’t allowed anywhere near the Playoff. There is a good chance they won’t play a single ranked opponent during their regular season.

If they want to be considered then play some ranked schools in their non-conference...

Not quite as easy as calling "Ranked-Teams-R-Us" before the season and scheduling a game. And good luck getting a name school (one highly likely to be ranked when the time comes) to add them to their non-conference schedule at this point.

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44 minutes ago, SurlyORama said:

Not quite as easy as calling "Ranked-Teams-R-Us" before the season and scheduling a game. And good luck getting a name school (one highly likely to be ranked when the time comes) to add them to their non-conference schedule at this point.

Beat me to it. There’s no benefit for a P5 team to schedule them and they’ll kindly avoid it if offered.

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ucf got pushed all over that hideous Missouri field for 4Qs...  they don't have the horses to play a p5 schedule, they've never beaten the big 3 in Florida...   sorry but these boys are not legit contenders.

 

Would Texas beat ucf on a neutral field, would it even be close?

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4 minutes ago, Loco said:

Would Texas beat ucf on a neutral field, would it even be close?

If you follow us you should know that every game we play against anybody with a pulse is probably going to be close.

Different topic, but that RB from Memphis seems pretty legit.  I'm not sure there is a faster RB at any level.

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Not quite as easy as calling "Ranked-Teams-R-Us" before the season and scheduling a game. And good luck getting a name school (one highly likely to be ranked when the time comes) to add them to their non-conference schedule at this point.

We don’t seem to have s problem doing it, and schools like Louisiana Tech, UTEP, Troy and UNLV do it all the time. Rice has done it for years. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to schedule a school that will most likely be ranked in top 25 year in year out.

 

So until they start getting at least one major contest like a USC, Florida or even. Boise State they need to shut up about being number one.

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2 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

If you follow us you should know that every game we play against anybody with a pulse is probably going to be close.

Different topic, but that RB from Memphis seems pretty legit.  I'm not sure there is a faster RB at any level.

Maybe my point was different than what you surmised it was...  The trenches, the lines, UCF doesn't have the hosses or depth to compete.  Do you think ucf has a quality 3 line rotation?  spoiler...  they don't

Texas would control both lines and run the ball down their throat ... rush 4 cover on the back end...  it would be ugly by the start of the 4th.

memphis owned the ol & dl and they aren't exactly Bama in the trenches either. 

UCF's best hope is to get a highly placed bowl and smoke an unmotivated p5 team and wrangle a conf invite and get some big time recruits.  If they keep that up a few years (4) then they might be ready to grind with the big boys.

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48 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

We don’t seem to have s problem doing it, and schools like Louisiana Tech, UTEP, Troy and UNLV do it all the time. Rice has done it for years. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to schedule a school that will most likely be ranked in top 25 year in year out.

Totally ignoring the fact that, on average, those schedules are made well enough in advance to where you won't be facing the current players on the team at the time of scheduling them, of those teams you listed, how many of them have even mildly threatened going undefeated for multiple seasons?

It's those kinds of teams the P5's tend to avoid. I could count the number of big time matchups Boise State has had going back to 2003 on one hand and have superfluous fingers. I could do the same for Utah in its pre-PAC 12 days. Teams like LaTech and UTEP have no difficulty getting scheduled because the Top 25 teams that do so see them as an easy win. When Bill Snyder was asked back in 1998 or 1999 what his logic is in non-conference scheduling, he simply said "AWCBBF." When asked what that meant, he elaborated "anyone we can beat by 50." UCF isn't one of those teams that you listed, which constitute damn near the bottom of the barrel. Yeah Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State et al probably would beat them the majority of the time if they each played them 10 times, but a lot of those would be hard-earned victories and UCF is good enough to pull upsets on them. They don't want that. They want to beat the opponent by 50, easily establish the run, have a few lights out defensive series, and empty the bench. 

EDIT: And to the person who said that Texas would cruise past UCF, you're out of your fucking mind. Texas had to play fucking Tulsa and Baylor close. That's not to denigrate Texas in any way, but the fact is that Texas isn't a world beater. Watching them play, even when they win, is like pulling teeth. They're a grind-it-out team because they don't have dominant players across the board and that significantly lessens the margin for error every week that they play.

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2 hours ago, SurlyORama said:

Not quite as easy as calling "Ranked-Teams-R-Us" before the season and scheduling a game. And good luck getting a name school (one highly likely to be ranked when the time comes) to add them to their non-conference schedule at this point.

Are you saying South Carolina State, UConn and SMU aren't quality opponents? 

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48 minutes ago, Loco said:

UCF's best hope is to get a highly placed bowl and smoke an unmotivated p5 team and wrangle a conf invite and get some big time recruits.  If they keep that up a few years (4) then they might be ready to grind with the big boys.

2014. Played in a NY6 Fiesta Bowl vs then #6 Baylor. 52-42, they won. They had an immediate drop off the next year but have rebounded and pretty much kept pace since including beating Auburn last year.

They're TCU without the Show Girls.

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16 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

EDIT: And to the person who said that Texas would cruise past UCF, you're out of your fucking mind. Texas had to play fucking Tulsa and Baylor close. That's not to denigrate Texas in any way, but the fact is that Texas isn't a world beater. Watching them play, even when they win, is like pulling teeth. They're a grind-it-out team because they don't have dominant players across the board and that significantly lessens the margin for error every week that they play.

Texas would wear ucf's ass out

 

they gave up almost 400yds on the ground....  to Memphis..   Mem fucking phis

the week before Tulane held the tigers to 31yds  lol

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they gave up almost 400yds on the ground....  to Memphis..   Mem fucking phis

the week before Tulane held the tigers to 31yds  lol

Memphis did have 31 yards but they barely ran the ball at all against Tulane so that is not really a fair and honest comparison.

UCF beat Auburn last year. They have not lost since December 2016. I don't want to hear all the BS about how they would or would not do something. They deserve a chance to prove they would be worn out by Texas or anybody else.

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So until they start getting at least one major contest like a USC, Florida or even. Boise State they need to shut up about being number one.

They have several times and nobody gives a shit, and you wouldn't either because this is not about them having major contests. I do not believe you are actually being honest about this, that if they beat Boise State you would give them the respect they deserve. Because they beat Auburn last year and you still don't. This is about them being called Central Florida and P5 bullshit snobbery, not about scheduling.

Oh and they scheduled UNC but that game will probably never be played now because of the hurricane.

They do have two, probably three, games left against top 25 competition for the rest of the year though. So they probably will not finish unbeaten but if they do, they should be in the playoff. If they are not, that is total bullshit.

 

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5 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Memphis did have 31 yards but they barely ran the ball at all against Tulane so that is not really a fair and honest comparison.

UCF beat Auburn last year. They have not lost since December 2016. I don't want to hear all the BS about how they would or would not do something. They deserve a chance to prove they would be worn out by Texas or anybody else.

 

by that logic, every top 10 team deserves a shot at Bama, because, who knows?!

I want an 8 team playoff, but until then, they just don't have the resume to be in the playoff discussion...  unless somehow they get to count last years' wins with a different coach. 

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On 10/9/2018 at 9:48 AM, ztejas said:

5 P5 champions and 3 at large bids. Why is this so hard?

G5 teams beat P5 teams all the time. The worst 10 P5 teams in the country are not comparable to the best 10 G5 teams. 

I say this every time the issue comes up, but I want 8 teams because it would make the regular season better. Stick with me.

1) With auto bids for the P5 champs, teams are more incentivized to schedule tough opponents in the OOC. As is, if you’re already a playoff favorite, one loss in the OOC can doom you. Get that one extra loss in conference and you’re done. If you know a P5 champ earns a bid, then there’s no risk to playing the big time matachup OOC, plus you know it will bring in money. Additionally, if you’re a fringe playoff hopeful, you schedule that big game to hope it helps you get an at large bid.

2) With P5 champs getting auto bids, winning your conference becomes the big goal each year, like it used to be in college football. Nowadays the talk is all playoff all the time, everyone wondering if a non champ will get in and conference championships becoming diminished in prestige. Get college football back to talking about the conference races all year, and let the talking heads yabber about who’s going to get the at large bids if they want.

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Totally ignoring the fact that, on average, those schedules are made well enough in advance to where you won't be facing the current players on the team at the time of scheduling them, of those teams you listed, how many of them have even mildly threatened going undefeated for multiple seasons?
It's those kinds of teams the P5's tend to avoid. I could count the number of big time matchups Boise State has had going back to 2003 on one hand and have superfluous fingers. I could do the same for Utah in its pre-PAC 12 days. Teams like LaTech and UTEP have no difficulty getting scheduled because the Top 25 teams that do so see them as an easy win. When Bill Snyder was asked back in 1998 or 1999 what his logic is in non-conference scheduling, he simply said "AWCBBF." When asked what that meant, he elaborated "anyone we can beat by 50." UCF isn't one of those teams that you listed, which constitute damn near the bottom of the barrel. Yeah Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State et al probably would beat them the majority of the time if they each played them 10 times, but a lot of those would be hard-earned victories and UCF is good enough to pull upsets on them. They don't want that. They want to beat the opponent by 50, easily establish the run, have a few lights out defensive series, and empty the bench. 
EDIT: And to the person who said that Texas would cruise past UCF, you're out of your fucking mind. Texas had to play fucking Tulsa and Baylor close. That's not to denigrate Texas in any way, but the fact is that Texas isn't a world beater. Watching them play, even when they win, is like pulling teeth. They're a grind-it-out team because they don't have dominant players across the board and that significantly lessens the margin for error every week that they play.

Look I realize how far out you have to schedule teams and that doesn’t guarantee a certain team will be at the same level in five years, I’m pretty sure everyone knows that.

But guess what, you can still schedule perennial good teams just like Texas does and Texas continuously has one of the toughest schedules in the country.

In the past UCF would lose to ranked teams in non-conference, they have been better in last two years but when you have the 124th easiest schedule I don’t want to hear about “we should be number one” or “we should be in the playoff”

If you want to be seriously considered then play someone. You act like it’s impossible for them to schedule a hard non conference game. That’s a cop out. There is a reason SOS is a major factor in determining who gets in.
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Y'all suggesting UCF just schedule P5s for all of their OOC are completely forgetting that they aren't getting home and homes unless they're the non-traditional football powers in those conferences. The UCF AD probably wants to try and have as many home games as possible, that means they could probably slot one away game at a P5 team which wouldn't give them a return game.

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Y'all suggesting UCF just schedule P5s for all of their OOC are completely forgetting that they aren't getting home and homes unless they're the non-traditional football powers in those conferences. The UCF AD probably wants to try and have as many home games as possible, that means they could probably slot one away game at a P5 team which wouldn't give them a return game.

That’s probably true but UCF doesn’t have the pull to be dictating home and home to anyone. You have to earn that status and you do that by becoming road warriors and scheduling good non conf teams and playing them in their house.

 

Follow TCU’s lead and play anyone, start beating them, then you will earn you way into a top conference and can play for it all or at least be considered for the playoff when you run the table. They don’t have to make all non conf big schools but at least a couple.

 

They don’t play anyone worth a crap now and the rest of their schedule is a cake walk. People always gripe about ND’s schedule each year but theirs is way more difficult than UCF’s is every year.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, hpslugga said:

Totally ignoring the fact that, on average, those schedules are made well enough in advance to where you won't be facing the current players on the team at the time of scheduling them, of those teams you listed, how many of them have even mildly threatened going undefeated for multiple seasons?

It's those kinds of teams the P5's tend to avoid. I could count the number of big time matchups Boise State has had going back to 2003 on one hand and have superfluous fingers. I could do the same for Utah in its pre-PAC 12 days. Teams like LaTech and UTEP have no difficulty getting scheduled because the Top 25 teams that do so see them as an easy win. When Bill Snyder was asked back in 1998 or 1999 what his logic is in non-conference scheduling, he simply said "AWCBBF." When asked what that meant, he elaborated "anyone we can beat by 50." UCF isn't one of those teams that you listed, which constitute damn near the bottom of the barrel. Yeah Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State et al probably would beat them the majority of the time if they each played them 10 times, but a lot of those would be hard-earned victories and UCF is good enough to pull upsets on them. They don't want that. They want to beat the opponent by 50, easily establish the run, have a few lights out defensive series, and empty the bench. 

EDIT: And to the person who said that Texas would cruise past UCF, you're out of your fucking mind. Texas had to play fucking Tulsa and Baylor close. That's not to denigrate Texas in any way, but the fact is that Texas isn't a world beater. Watching them play, even when they win, is like pulling teeth. They're a grind-it-out team because they don't have dominant players across the board and that significantly lessens the margin for error every week that they play.

This is why it's dumb to have P-5 and G-5 together in the same division fighting for the same 4 playoff spots.  Even if UCF could get 3 P-5 teams in their non-con schedule, their season would still not compare the the grind of a P-5 conference schedule.  And as you've mentioned, once a G-5 gets pretty good P-5 teams don't want to play them because they have nothing to gain if they win and lots to lose if they get beat.  Add to it that the P-5 will want a one-off at their place or a 2-for-1.  Never home-and-home.  An 8 team playoff with a guaranteed G-5 spot is the only thing that would help.    

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17 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

That’s probably true but UCF doesn’t have the pull to be dictating home and home to anyone. You have to earn that status and you do that by becoming road warriors and scheduling good non conf teams and playing them in their house.

 

Follow TCU’s lead and play anyone, start beating them, then you will earn you way into a top conference and can play for it all or at least be considered for the playoff when you run the table. They don’t have to make all non conf big schools but at least a couple.

 

They don’t play anyone worth a crap now and the rest of their schedule is a cake walk. People always gripe about ND’s schedule each year but theirs is way more difficult than UCF’s is every year.

 

 

 

 

TCU didn't "earn" their way into the BXII. They were the recipients of the Maroon Award For Being Available.

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10 hours ago, Mileslong said:

UCF shouldn’t allowed anywhere near the Playoff. There is a good chance they won’t play a single ranked opponent during their regular season.

If they want to be considered then play some ranked schools in their non-conference...

It's easy for an 8 team playoff.  5 team conference champions and 3 wild cards.  For a wild card bid-must be ranked in top 8 if from a power 5 conference.   Non-power conference teams get in if ranked in top 10 or undefeated.   A max of 2 non-power 5 teams can qualify although this is not likely to happen. 

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TCU didn't "earn" their way into the BXII. They were the recipients of the Maroon Award For Being Available.

Totally disagree, they earned their way into expansion by dominating the mountain west. They had a couple of undefeated regular seasons in 09 and 10 I believe and went like 11-2 in 2011 and that made them attractive to the big 12. There’s a reason they were picked over Rice and Houston.
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It's easy for an 8 team playoff.  5 team conference champions and 3 wild cards.  For a wild card bid-must be ranked in top 8 if from a power 5 conference.   Non-power conference teams get in if ranked in top 10 or undefeated.   A max of 2 non-power 5 teams can qualify although this is not likely to happen. 

I don’t have a big problem with UCF in an 8 team playoff but they have no business being considered for a four team when you see the schedule those teams have to play
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UCF has been unbeaten for two years....and I get it, they beat Auburn. They beat Auburn in a bowl game that meant the world to them and their departing coach, and meant absolutely nothing to Auburn.

This is how life works. The QB gets the pretty girls, the rich get richer, and P5 schools get the 4 playoff spots. If UCF wants to get in there, then they have to schedule teams that will increase their strength of schedule, or find a P5 conference that will take them. Is that fair, no, probably not, but that's life and not everyone gets a trophy.

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25 minutes ago, Mileslong said:


Totally disagree, they earned their way into expansion by dominating the mountain west. They had a couple of undefeated regular seasons in 09 and 10 I believe and went like 11-2 in 2011 and that made them attractive to the big 12. There’s a reason they were picked over Rice and Houston.

I guess you've forgotten the circumstances under which they received an invitation. They weren't even on the radar. It wasn't "expansion" that brought them in, it was contraction and the potential for the entire conference to lose hundreds of millions in revenue. They were the least ugly of the available sisters of the poor, you're right about that.

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1 hour ago, Mileslong said:

That’s probably true but UCF doesn’t have the pull to be dictating home and home to anyone.

Their stadium seats 48k and is in Orlando.  That might not attract a home-and-home with tOSU or Texas, but the majority of P5 schools would jump all over that.

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I guess you've forgotten the circumstances under which they received an invitation. They weren't even on the radar. It wasn't "expansion" that brought them in, it was contraction and the potential for the entire conference to lose hundreds of millions in revenue. They were the least ugly of the available sisters of the poor, you're right about that.

If they were a losing football team that never won anything they wouldn’t have been invited regardless.
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58 minutes ago, JBJ said:

 

Their stadium seats 48k and is in Orlando.  That might not attract a home-and-home with tOSU or Texas, but the majority of P5 schools would jump all over that.

about that...

1) It's orlando...  so cheap flights, bedbugs, and tourist traps

2) They have a horrible environment...  see this tweet from last year...you know during their "title run"

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The attitude of some posters on this thread are exactly why CFB needs a promotion/relegation system. It’s impossible for a school to “climb the ranks” unless they’re really good when a TV deal is being negotiated. And even then, they have to be in a big market. It’s a scam. 

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18 minutes ago, RiceOwl said:

The attitude of some posters on this thread are exactly why CFB needs a promotion/relegation system. It’s impossible for a school to “climb the ranks” unless they’re really good when a TV deal is being negotiated. And even then, they have to be in a big market. It’s a scam. 

No. College football needs to split FBS into 2 divisions. Promotion/relegation is dumb when you can't actually pay for players. Rice can't just decide they want to get the talent of a P5 team. Move the P5 to a separate division, let them play one G5 team in OOC and all the rest of the games have to be within the new division. The schedules instantly get closer in quality and you can add 4 playoff teams without as much worry about TV complaining about the quality of games or fan bases. Maybe some G5 teams get called up if expansion occurs, but having teams dropping down and moving up is silly.

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2 minutes ago, rickyspub said:

No. College football needs to split FBS into 2 divisions. Promotion/relegation is dumb when you can't actually pay for players. Rice can't just decide they want to get the talent of a P5 team. Move the P5 to a separate division, let them play one G5 team in OOC and all the rest of the games have to be within the new division. The schedules instantly get closer in quality and you can add 4 playoff teams without as much worry about TV complaining about the quality of games or fan bases. Maybe some G5 teams get called up if expansion occurs, but having teams dropping down and moving up is silly.

I’m not even talking about Rice. We’ve dug our own grave through lack of investment of 60+ years. I’m referring more to the Boise’s of the world, who no matter what they do, won’t get invited to the P5 because they’re in Idaho. 

You bring up separating the division. OK, fine. But it’s fundamentally unfair to do that by just looking at who’s in the P5 today and who’s not. What has Oregon State done to deserve being in P5 conference (in both football and MBB) lately compared to say, San Diego State (just thinking of a decent west coast G5 with decent hoops and football)? 

If the test is that you have to have a football budget of above $X, and if you don’t do that, you won’t get to be in the new D1, that’s fair. 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, RiceOwl said:

I’m not even talking about Rice. We’ve dug our own grave through lack of investment of 60+ years. I’m referring more to the Boise’s of the world, who no matter what they do, won’t get invited to the P5 because they’re in Idaho. 

You bring up separating the division. OK, fine. But it’s fundamentally unfair to do that by just looking at who’s in the P5 today and who’s not. What has Oregon State done to deserve being in P5 conference (in both football and MBB) lately compared to say, San Diego State (just thinking of a decent west coast G5 with decent hoops and football)? 

If the test is that you have to have a football budget of above $X, and if you don’t do that, you won’t get to be in the new D1, that’s fair. 

The world ain't fair. I agree that in principle all the P5 don't deserve their spot, but unfortunately we are stuck with the independence of the conferences, which mean they aren't going to willing shed membership to allow potentially more deserving programs a place in the upper division. Half the ACC probably could be left out with no real change for the average college football fan, but the ACC won't go along unless all their dregs get a pass.

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I doubt it's going to be an issue. Memphis is terrible and UCF barely got past them.  They'll stumble somewhere along the way.  And if they don't make it?  Too bad.  I don't see it as bad for the sport.  In fact, it would be a hell of a lot better if we DID split FBS into two divisions IMO.  There's no need for 120 'major' college teams.  We have plenty of upsets and excitement when the 'also rans' in the P5 step up once in a while.  Hell, maybe we'd see it more often if you didn't have teams from the G5 taking talent away from those teams.

And if it comes down to us or them?  Fuck 'em!  We're Texas.

 

And anyone wringing their hands over how this 'delegitimizes' the CFP or college football in general, take a look at your history.  There were plenty of years where some non-power conference team went undefeated and never got a shot at #1.  The only difference now is that you can see those teams on TV and SportsCenter.  

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13 hours ago, Mileslong said:

UCF shouldn’t allowed anywhere near the Playoff. There is a good chance they won’t play a single ranked opponent during their regular season.

If they want to be considered then play some ranked schools in their non-conference...

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2 hours ago, Hellraiser97 said:

I doubt it's going to be an issue. Memphis is terrible and UCF barely got past them.  They'll stumble somewhere along the way.  And if they don't make it?  Too bad.  I don't see it as bad for the sport.  In fact, it would be a hell of a lot better if we DID split FBS into two divisions IMO.  There's no need for 120 'major' college teams.  We have plenty of upsets and excitement when the 'also rans' in the P5 step up once in a while.  Hell, maybe we'd see it more often if you didn't have teams from the G5 taking talent away from those teams.

And if it comes down to us or them?  Fuck 'em!  We're Texas.

 

And anyone wringing their hands over how this 'delegitimizes' the CFP or college football in general, take a look at your history.  There were plenty of years where some non-power conference team went undefeated and never got a shot at #1.  The only difference now is that you can see those teams on TV and SportsCenter.  

The system has never been legitimate, so there is no worry about it being delegitimized.   

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23 hours ago, Mileslong said:

Look I realize how far out you have to schedule teams and that doesn’t guarantee a certain team will be at the same level in five years, I’m pretty sure everyone knows that.

I don't think you do. You paid your lip service to acknowledging that reality, but then continued on with your little screed about how they needed to schedule better. It's like you're saying "I realize it's that it's impossible to gauge how good teams will be by the time you've scheduled them, but the burden is on them to be able to predict it." This is just a lot of nonsense.

23 hours ago, Mileslong said:

But guess what, you can still schedule perennial good teams just like Texas does and Texas continuously has one of the toughest schedules in the country.

Just stop. That's flatly misleading and you know that full well. Texas commands that type of freedom to schedule anyone. The UCF's of the world do not. Those Boise State vs. Virginia Tech are few and far between for reasons already explained to you: they do not benefit the P5 team in the equation at all and there's definitely a risk at losing. Fuck, Michigan lost to the FCS national champion in 2007 and the only reason that stands out to anyone is precisely that: Appalachian State won. Had Michigan won that game, most (if not all) of us would have forgotten that game was even played. 

If you stand to gain nothing and lose everything, what any competent AD will do is say "I'm gonna schedule South Dakota State instead," which is why those bullshit scrimmage matchups are far more common. And in the rare event there is some sort of big time matchup in OOC scheduling, it's either a traditional rivalry game (Florida vs. Florida State) or some other contest between two P5 teams (Texas vs. USC). A P5 vs. very good G5 matchup is about as frequent as a Halley's Comet sighting. UCF can call and propose these games all they want, but that doesn't mean the P5 AD's have to accept them, which is why they currently do not.

23 hours ago, Mileslong said:

You act like it’s impossible for them to schedule a hard non conference game.

It's not impossible, but it's damned difficult and when you're dealing with a concept like 3-4 OOC games, the difference between the two is a flea's hop. The record speaks for itself. You're not gonna find a whole lot of games like Boise State vs. Georgia in reviewing the regular seasons of the last 20 years, especially not in the last 10. You knew that.

23 hours ago, Mileslong said:

That’s a cop out.

Reality isn't a cop out. That's just you using false bravado to justify an untenable position. You knew that. What is a cop out is you using the scheduling excuse because even if they had 3 Top 10 teams on their schedule, you'd just argue something else. You'd probably say that their conference is the shits or something else to that effect. That's the one thing we can count on when examining arguments from people who take these ridiculously dogmatic status quo positions: it's always going to be about something.

22 hours ago, Mileslong said:

Follow TCU’s lead and play anyone, start beating them, then you will earn you way into a top conference and can play for it all or at least be considered for the playoff when you run the table. They don’t have to make all non conf big schools but at least a couple.

As has already been explained to you, TCU did not "earn their way into a top conference." They backdoor'ed into it. They happened to be close by geographically and had a modicum of success during the time where the Big 12 lost 4 teams in a span of two seasons. They needed two teams to stop the bleeding. Why else do you think they reached all the way to fucking West Virginia, of all places? WVU has no prior connection to any of the Big 12's teams. At least for TCU you could say they used to be in a conference with 3 of the still existing charter members. As to why they didn't pick Rice or Houston, that's simply a choice between the DFW TV market and the Houston TV market. They chose DFW, and I can understand that because the headquarter being in freaking Irving creates a home bias for that question.

Conferences don't hand out merit-based awards out of some sense of altruism. They do what's most beneficial to them. In the case of Utah and CU, the PAC 12 wanted a CCG and had to add two teams...so they added two teams. If conferences really had the kinds of altruistic tendencies that you seem to think, and if they were 100% merit-based as you seem to think, Boise State would have been invited to the PAC 12 instead of Colorado, a team that had accomplished jack shit in the past decade before being invited. From 2002-2009, Boise was 94-11, had a 4-4 bowl record and won 2 BCS Bowls to cap 2 perfect seasons. Colorado was 45-56, had only 3 winning seasons, won no conference titles, appeared in only 4 bowls and was 1-3 in those games.

And now you're reading that and you're gonna feel compelled to say "they're a traditional power!" Resist that urge and understand that Colorado is there for exactly 2 reasons: 

1. The PAC 10 wanted to become the PAC 12 and have a CCG
2. The PAC 10 wanted to add the Denver TV market.

Seriously, that's it.

Back to TCU/UCF, you're being dishonest and deceptive by pretending that the Big 12 was looking to expand and chose TCU based solely on their resume. That's not what happened. If A&M, Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado had stayed and never declared intentions to leave, that pickup never takes place even though the Big 12 would have been well within their right to do so. And that's especially a dishonest comparison because there is no parallel situation with UCF.

Tell us, which conference on the East Coast is hemorrhaging 1/3rd of its teams and is at a point where they're so desperate that they'd even been willing to talk to Central Florida? Go ahead. We'll wait.

The fact is it doesn't matter how many games in a row UCF wins, they're never going to be invited to the ACC/SEC because

-This is only their 40th season playing football (and they've only been a D1A/FBS team since 1996)
-The SEC already has a Florida TV market
-The ACC has two Florida TV markets.
-Both conferences are already stable 
-Both conferences have more than enough teams to justify 2 divisions and a championship game

There's seriously no benefit for either conference to add them, even if it really is true that their team is all it's cracked up to be.

21 hours ago, Mileslong said:

If they were a losing football team that never won anything they wouldn’t have been invited regardless.

You don't know that. The Big 12 was going to offer someone and they were going to offer someone close by. I suppose if TCU was a lesser team at the time that it'd be a crap shoot between them, SMU, UH and Rice, but that's about it. It certainly didn't help the others that TCU was winning; that's certainly true. But this black and white portrait you're painting isn't very useful.

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UFC has had 2 P5 scheduled for OOC for the last several seasons. They have even had decent teams like Stanford and Michigan. So scheduling a Top 20-level team isn't out of the question. Their second P5 has generally been a middling team. They also always have a G5 and an FCS OOC. Without UCF publicly negotiating with Top 20 teams, it is hard to say what the reality is. I am guessing they aren't even trying to get 4 high quality P5 games. They get 2 and then schedule a complete patsy and a G5 and then expect everyone to act like they are playing a comparable schedule to a team like Texas.

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3 minutes ago, rickyspub said:

UFC has had 2 P5 scheduled for OOC for the last several seasons. They have even had decent teams like Stanford and Michigan. So scheduling a Top 20-level team isn't out of the question. Their second P5 has generally been a middling team. They also always have a G5 and an FCS OOC. Without UCF publicly negotiating with Top 20 teams, it is hard to say what the reality is. I am guessing they aren't even trying to get 4 high quality P5 games. They get 2 and then schedule a complete patsy and a G5 and then expect everyone to act like they are playing a comparable schedule to a team like Texas.

Who does Texas play OOC? The only thing that really separates them from the UCF’s of the world is their conference schedule. Whatever control UCF has over its OOC, they have that much less over conference.

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4 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Who does Texas play OOC? The only thing that really separates them from the UCF’s of the world is their conference schedule. Whatever control UCF has over its OOC, they have that much less over conference.

First off we don't play an FCS team...

Second UCF controls what division they play in. If they want to compete for national titles then they need to move down to a lower level.

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You don't know that. The Big 12 was going to offer someone and they were going to offer someone close by. I suppose if TCU was a lesser team at the time that it'd be a crap shoot between them, SMU, UH and Rice, but that's about it. It certainly didn't help the others that TCU was winning; that's certainly true. But this black and white portrait you're painting isn't very useful.

Jesus Christ, I don’t have time to read all that garbage. You think more words makes your position more “tenable”.

As far as the schedule, I have no idea what the hell your blathering about. You don’t have to predict the future to schedule good teams. You play the odds obviously. You keep scheduling historically good teams and chances are you will have a good matchup. That’s hard to understand?

Calling my positions black and white means you have no answer. Of course I know if the big12 didn’t have room for a new team they wouldn’t have expanded to 13 to add TCU. Thats bloody stupid to bring that up, OBVIOUSLY, the big12 lost teams and needed to add some. My point is again, TCU being good at football made it a no brainer to add them which in turn makes them a candidate to play in the playoff.

I don’t even know what your point is, are you saying UCF deserves to play in the four team playoff? Well I’m saying anyone with an SOS of 124 +/- doesnt deserve to play in it. It’s that simple.
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