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3 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

These are the 11 crimes.

  • Murder
  • Extermination
  • Enslavement
  • Deportation or forcible transfer of population
  • Imprisonment
  • Torture
  • Sexual violence
  • Persecution against an identifiable group
  • Enforced disappearance of persons
  • The crime of apartheid
  • Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health

Assad, all of them. Kim, most. Apartheid would be a tough one. Imans (I think the Revolutionary Council should be held accountable) all of them.

I agree with you, for sure. I don't think that the perspective that certain people are offering, that the arrest warrants are invalid because they didn't also issue arrest warrants for every other shitty person in the world, is a good one.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I agree with you, for sure. I don't think that the perspective that certain people are offering, that the arrest warrants are invalid because they didn't also issue arrest warrants for every other shitty person in the world, is a good one.

The ICC is fucked.  Assad is not listed since Syria does not participate. It means not a damn thing. Bashir (Sudan) had no problem traveling around Africa and the ME when under indictment.

Want it to have meat? Go after the kids of those listed. Go after their business partners. Not unilateral sanctions AND the ICC.

Bibi will see zero jail time. It is a band aid feel good for certain sectors. See, See, we are serious about war crimes. Bull shit

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2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

The ICC is fucked.  Assad is not listed since Syria does not participate. It means not a damn thing. Bashir (Sudan) had no problem traveling around Africa and the ME when under indictment.

Want it to have meat? Go after the kids of those listed. Go after their business partners. Not unilateral sanctions AND the ICC.

Bibi will see zero jail time. It is a band aid feel good for certain sectors. See, See, we are serious about war crimes. Bull shit

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Yeah I mean obviously there is no meat here. I'm more referring to all the freaks (including United States senators) bleating about how we should invade the Hague over this. Who gives a shit? It's just another way to demonstrate displeasure with Israel's actions.

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2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah I mean obviously there is no meat here. I'm more referring to all the freaks (including United States senators) bleating about how we should invade the Hague over this. Who gives a shit? It's just another way to demonstrate displeasure with Israel's actions.

That we don't have a vote on. We are not a member.

Maybe we can go get Kony one of these days. Or someone can.

Anyways, the why is not news.

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10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges
 

Today, on 21 November 2024, Pre-Trial Chamber I of the International Criminal Court (‘Court’), in its composition for the Situation in the State of Palestine, unanimously issued two decisions rejecting challenges by the State of Israel (‘Israel’) brought under articles 18 and 19 of the Rome Statute (the ‘Statute’). It also issued warrants of arrest for Mr Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr Yoav Gallant.

For those quibbling about no consequences:

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The Chamber issued warrants of arrest for two individuals, Mr Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr Yoav Gallant, for crimes against humanity and war crimes

"Alleged War Criminal and Criminal Against Humanity Ben Netanyaju" is not a favorable epithet for a leader much of the world believes to be just those things. This is now quotable by the credible world press which is generally timid about such proclamations even when they document them in person. Now they can quote the court.

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26 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

For those quibbling about no consequences:

"Alleged War Criminal and Criminal Against Humanity Ben Netanyaju" is not a favorable epithet for a leader much of the world believes to be just those things. This is now quotable by the credible world press which is generally timid about such proclamations even when they document them in person. Now they can quote the court.

Depends where he is buried. Could become a pilgrimage site.

Posted
2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Kim Jong Un, Khamenei, and Assad don’t ruffle the feathers of the ICC like Israel. Israel has been pretty much at war with ICC, which is a joke organization, for 10 years. That doesn’t help. We did the right thing by never ratifying the Rome Statute. 

Have they killed nearly as many women and children? We should expect better from a supposed ally.

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30 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Have they killed nearly as many women and children? We should expect better from a supposed ally.

Assad, for sure. Kim, probably adding in starvation. Khameni, no. Not directly. But under the history of the Revolutionary Council, probably.

Agree our allies should do better. We pick shitty ones some times.

But don't matter. ICC is a toothless animal unless you are serbian.

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I agree he probably won't be convicted, but this is still a big deal. I can't remember any US ally having an arrest warrant issued for them over the loud objections of the US. It has symbolic value and decreases the legitimacy of the US government's smear campaign against the growing movement worldwide in opposition to the genocide.

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Optics, ok, sure. Really? Nope. What is going to change? He cannot go to Mauritius? This won't stop shit. Main reason- ICC has no teeth. I mean, they did not arrest the ex-Leader of Sudan. He did commit genocide for a long ass time. Crickets. And events in Sudan continue today as bad as they before.

Does this stop the Gulf States from trading with Israel? I mean there are container ships leaving Israel everyday to ports around the globe. Do you see a worldwide real boycott against them like South Africa faced?

The war in Gaza will continue until one thing is too much for one group of the other. Pain. It really sucks, but looking at something like this, emotions are rarely correct. Another one that meant nothing. Land mine bans. Did not mean shit. It made Princess Diana look cool and that she gave a fuck, but did not change the world. Neither will the ICC.

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21 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I don't think it's been crickets for Sudan, actually. The culprits first need to set foot in a Rome Statute nation.

When is the last time you heard about El Fasher? I am sure it is daily discussion in your circle, but not many know what is going on there.

And the Pres went to South Africa. Was a pretty big deal at the time.

What big dictators/leaders has the ICC grabbed that were not Serb? The reason I point that out is usually it was NATO that found and arrested them. They don't do that in many places.

Anyways, don't want to keep discussing why it is toothless. But you can read the stuff in the spoiler if you want. And I do think Bibi is a war criminal. Just don't think the ICC will do anything and he really does not care.

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Bashir- Sudan

Al-Bashir was the first sitting head of state ever indicted by the ICC.[24] However, the Arab League[136] and the African Union condemned the warrant. Following the indictment Al-Bashir visited China,[137] Djibouti,[138][139] Egypt, Ethiopia, India,[140] Libya,[141][142] Nigeria,[143] Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and several other countries, all of which refused to have him arrested. ICC member state Chad also refused to arrest al-Bashir during a state visit in July 2010.[144] He was also invited to attend conferences in Denmark[145] and Turkey.[146] On 28 November 2011, following a visit to Kenya, Kenya's High Court Judge Nicholas Ombija ordered the Minister of Internal Security to arrest al-Bashir, "should he set foot in Kenya in the future".[147] In June 2015, while in South Africa for an African Union meeting, al-Bashir was prohibited from leaving that country while a court decided whether he should be handed over to the ICC for war crimes.[148] He, nevertheless, was allowed to leave South Africa soon afterward.[149] Luis Moreno Ocampo and Amnesty International claimed that al-Bashir's plane could be intercepted in International Airspace. Sudan announced that the presidential plane would always be escorted by fighter jets of the Sudanese Air Force to prevent his arrest. In March 2009, just before al-Bashir's visit to Qatar, the Sudanese government was reportedly considering sending fighter jets to accompany his plane to Qatar, possibly in response to France expressing support for an operation to intercept his plane in international airspace, as France has military bases in Djibouti and the United Arab Emirates.[150

 

 

Posted
12 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Just don't think the ICC will do anything and he really does not care.

Boils down to this. It is a statement, nothing more. He won't visit any of those countries, anyway.

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Don't worry guys, the protest non-votes from a few weeks ago were meant to fix all of this, smooth sailing going forward. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Highlights.

1- Hezbollah withdraws north.

2- Lebanese Army takes those positions.

3- IDF retains the right to strike if threats are real.

 

So same shit, different decade.

Yup. Kicking the can down the road etc

Posted
1 hour ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

The way that article was written is exactly why other sources are needed.

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Why don't you make a list of approved sources.

And also elaborate on what you mean instead of dropping a one liner and dipping.

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21 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

The way that article was written is exactly why other sources are needed.

 

 

Because you don’t like the content because it makes you feel bad. We get it. 

Posted
21 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Why don't you make a list of approved sources.

 

20 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

 

And also elaborate on what you mean instead of dropping a one liner and dipping.

Lol it's pronghorn. Dude acts like he's paid to discredit reputable news and pump up whatever formerly PLANDEMIC Twitter accounts are now rabidly pro-Israel. Of COURSE Reuters is not an acceptable source for him

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19 minutes ago, Captainant said:

 

Lol it's pronghorn. Dude acts like he's paid to discredit reputable news and pump up whatever formerly PLANDEMIC Twitter accounts are now rabidly pro-Israel. Of COURSE Reuters is not an acceptable source for him

You could have a verified video of IDF personnel dropping a 2-ton bomb on a Gaza daycare center and he’d say the camera was antisemitic.

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This quote hits close to home:

While his appearance provided a crescendo in the judicial process, it was also, to many Israelis, anti-climactic. The charges against Mr. Netanyahu have been a part of Israeli discourse for so long that the spectacle of a prime minister in the dock no longer seems as shocking as it once did.

“The public has completely accepted the idea that we have a sitting prime minister who has been investigated, indicted and is now on trial — even in the middle of a war,” said Dahlia Scheindlin, a political analyst who attended the hearing on Tuesday.

“What would have been unimaginable 10 years ago has been completely normalized,” she added.

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Outside the courthouse, he is one of the most powerful men in the Middle East, overseeing Israel’s military campaign in Gaza, its occupation of southern Lebanon and recent strikes in Syria.

As he stepped into a cramped and sweltering underground courtroom in Tel Aviv on Tuesday morning, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel morphed into the defendant in Case 67104-01-20 — charged with bribery, fraud and breach of trust.

Eight years after the police started investigating him and four years after his trial began, Israel’s longest-serving prime minister was taking the stand for the first time to respond to accusations of corruption that have defined and disrupted Israeli public life for nearly a decade.

“Like everyone who is brought to the witness stand, you are charged with speaking the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth,” said Rivka Friedman-Feldman, one of three judges hearing the case.

An audience of roughly 100 journalists, lawmakers, government ministers and lawyers craned their necks to catch his response.

“I have waited eight years for this moment — to tell the truth, the truth as I remember it,” replied Mr. Netanyahu, gripping the sides of a wooden lectern as he stood to the left of the judges.

It was a humbling moment — a sitting prime minister, forced to answer accusations of graft before a courtroom filled with his peers. It was also a moment Mr. Netanyahu seemed determined to transcend.

“I am shocked by the magnitude of this absurdity,” Mr. Netanyahu said.

“I am the prime minister, I am running a country, I am running a war,” he continued. “I am not occupying myself with my future, but rather with that of the state of Israel.”

For nearly a decade, the corruption charges against Mr. Netanyahu have divided Israel, leading to years of political turmoil. The electorate has been roughly evenly split on the question of whether Mr. Netanyahu should remain in office while he stands trial — a dynamic that has created an electoral stalemate, leading to five elections in less than four years.

Apart from a brief court appearance to plead not guilty in 2021, Mr. Netanyahu’s day-to-day schedule had rarely been affected by the trial proceedings.

Prosecutors and defense lawyers spent years interviewing witnesses instead of the defendant himself. The hearing on Tuesday — 1,661 days since the trial began — was Mr. Netanyahu’s first full day in court.

While his appearance provided a crescendo in the judicial process, it was also, to many Israelis, anti-climactic. The charges against Mr. Netanyahu have been a part of Israeli discourse for so long that the spectacle of a prime minister in the dock no longer seems as shocking as it once did.

“The public has completely accepted the idea that we have a sitting prime minister who has been investigated, indicted and is now on trial — even in the middle of a war,” said Dahlia Scheindlin, a political analyst who attended the hearing on Tuesday.

“What would have been unimaginable 10 years ago has been completely normalized,” she added.

Mr. Netanyahu is charged with bribery, fraud and breach of trust in three separate but related cases. The charges center on claims that he gave regulatory favors and diplomatic support to prominent businessmen in exchange for gifts, including cigars and Champagne, as well as sympathetic media coverage.

The trial is expected to continue for years, and Mr. Netanyahu will likely take the stand several times a week for several months.

To Mr. Netanyahu’s critics, the trial is a litmus test for democracy: a chance to see whether a sitting prime minister, who has refused to resign, can be held to account for crimes he is accused of committing in office.

To his supporters, it constitutes an attack on democracy: an attempt by the country’s liberal establishment to oust Mr. Netanyahu on spurious legal grounds after failing to do so at the ballot box.

“A disgrace,” shouted Tally Gotliv, a lawmaker from Mr. Netanyahu’s party, shortly before the hearing began.

“Persecution,” said Itamar Ben-Gvir, one of several government ministers who attended the hearing in solidarity with their leader.

Mr. Netanyahu had sought to delay his testimony by several months, arguing that his management of the war campaign had disrupted his preparations. But the court agreed to a postponement of only a few days.

Still, in recognition of the threat that Mr. Netanyahu faces as a wartime prime minister, the judges agreed to hold the hearing in a more secure, underground courtroom in Tel Aviv instead of the East Jerusalem courthouse where the trial usually takes place.

For most of the day, Mr. Netanyahu was interviewed by his own lawyer, Amit Haddad; the prosecution will cross-examine Mr. Netanyahu in the coming weeks.

Mr. Haddad’s opening questions allowed Mr. Netanyahu to describe how, as a busy prime minister, he has little time to devote to corrupt activity — or to the trial.

“Sometimes I even indulge in a cigar, although I can’t even finish it all at once, because I’m having so many meetings and briefings,” Mr. Netanyahu said.

As if to illustrate his point, the prime minister’s aides approached the stand several times to pass him notes, apparently about matters of state. At one point during the morning session, the trial was briefly paused to allow Mr. Netanyahu to deal with what he said was an urgent matter.

“There needs to be a balance between the necessities of the trial — which I appreciate — and the necessities of the country,” the prime minister said of the notes.

Still, neither Mr. Netanyahu or his lawyer were in a rush to discuss the substantive parts of the prosecution’s case.

For more than an hour, Mr. Haddad asked open-ended questions about Mr. Netanyahu’s life and opinions, allowing the prime minister to expand at length about his political achievements. At times, Mr. Netanyahu’s words felt more like a political speech aimed at his right-wing base than the responses of a defendant in a courtroom.

He described his policies as finance minister during the 2000s, as well as his efforts to oppose Palestinian sovereignty in the 2010s — positions that led to him to clash, he said, with the Obama administration as well as the Israeli media establishment.

“I worked to strengthen Israel’s security, to strengthen Israel’s economy, to change it to a free market,” he said. “That is what I have devoted my life to, standing against pressures at home and abroad.”

As the afternoon wore on, Mr. Netanyahu began to speak to some of the specific corruption charges against him. In one case, prosecutors say he authorized regulatory benefits for an Israeli telecoms magnate, Shaul Elovitch, in exchange for favorable coverage on Mr. Elovitch’s popular news site, Walla. Mr. Elovitch is also on trial and has denied wrongdoing.

Mr. Netanyahu dismissed Walla as a “negligible news site,” rebuffing accusations that he would seek to shape its content. “It’s a site of dogs and cats,” he said.

He also disputed the idea that he had signed off on regulatory changes specifically to favor Mr. Elovitch, saying that he simply signed documents that civil servants had presented him.

“Many times you don’t even know what you’re signing,” said Mr. Netanyahu. “It comes from the bureaucracy, so you sign.”

The court’s granular and domestic focus stood in stark contrast to the grander accusations leveled at Mr. Netanyahu by the International Criminal Court in The Hague. The court has issued an arrest warrant for Mr. Netanyahu, accusing him of war crimes during the ongoing war in Gaza.

At the courthouse on Tuesday, the main reminder of Gaza came from a group of left-wing demonstrators who stood outside the courthouse calling for a cease-fire.

 

 

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Israelis promised Bibi was over, like 30 times including over the last year for allowing Oct 7 to happen, they seem to have as much predictive power over their own country than democrats do over here.

Golda Meir resigned over YKW because she did not belong to the axis of fascism, that is it, get off your high horse.

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49 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Joe Biden sinking deep into the cuck chair like that kid in Get Out

Dems have lost the Arab vote for generations, if true.

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Dems have lost the Arab vote for generations, if true.

Far worse than that. It will further decimate the already fragile Arab/American international relationship.

Posted
3 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Joe Biden sinking deep into the cuck chair like that kid in Get Out

the memo said that the adults were in charge. 

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Um, you all realize this was the plan all along, right? Bibi and Trump are peas in a pod, shit was always gonna happen, but not for Biden or any democrat. "We surrender to almighty trump" should have been the clue. In exchange, Bibi gets support to wiggle out of his trials, and he'll take Gaza later anyway. JFC, amercians are really getting stupider by the minute.

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8 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Um, you all realize this was the plan all along, right? Bibi and Trump are peas in a pod, shit was always gonna happen, but not for Biden or any democrat. "We surrender to almighty trump" should have been the clue. In exchange, Bibi gets support to wiggle out of his trials, and he'll take Gaza later anyway. JFC, amercians are really getting stupider by the minute.

Well, like the poster above said, the real fall-out of all this is that the D's lose credibility in the Arab and Arab-American eyes as a serious party who can implement and execute on their behalf instead of just lip service (if that).

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Um, you all realize this was the plan all along, right?

I mean, yeah. It's one of the least surprising things to happen, except pretty much every liberal Zionist or genocide cheerleader that sees this will probably be shocked, as they were all dutifully parroting the "Trump is going to turn Gaza into a glass parking lot on Day 1" and "There's nothing Biden can or should do to pressure Israel" lines. Not that I'm saying Trump is going to be good for Palestinians at all, the entire region will be much worse off because of him.

The point is, Biden could have put a stop to this very quickly but he very clearly did not want to. Instead he decided to permanently damage his party's reputation/credibility, both internationally and domestically, and hand Trump one of the easiest W's he's going to get as President on a silver platter.

It was plain as fucking day what was going on from the very start, and we had to fucking argue about it nonstop for over a year and listen to the administration's lies from the pulpit about this conflict every goddamn day.

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