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NYTimes article on PAC 12 Stuggles...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/sports/pac-12-tv-recruiting.html

In Pac-12 Football: Empty Seats, TV Woes and Recruiting Gaps

 

 

Here's another link if you get blocked by nytimes paywall....

https://www.enmnews.com/2019/09/20/in-pac-12-football-empty-seats-tv-woes-and-recruiting-gaps/

 

 

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Yep, issues abound. Quite a few good to very good teams this year, none elite. Makes for a real fun conference race and little hopes for CFP participation.

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1) Oregon

2) Washington - One could easily argue for #1.

3) Utah - Move back into position as #1 in the south, this time with an offense to show for it

4) Colorado

5) USC - They need to heal up before they take on the Domers

6) ASU - Solid road win. They are a good, talented team on the upswing

7) Cal - They will (only) go as far as their depth takes them

8 ) WSU - Two losses in a row. Maybe Leach is right...

9) Stanford - Unimpressive last-minute win at home 

10) Arizona - See #9

11) UCLA - A bad team with proven upset potential. Host the Beavs in next week's pillow fight.

12) OSU - Blew their best shot at a win for the rest of the year...

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14 minutes ago, berlinerbaer said:

1) Oregon

2) Washington - One could easily argue for #1.

3) Utah - Move back into position as #1 in the south, this time with an offense to show for it

4) Colorado

5) USC - They need to heal up before they take on the Domers

6) ASU - Solid road win. They are a good, talented team on the upswing

7) Cal - They will (only) go as far as their depth takes them

8 ) WSU - Two losses in a row. Maybe Leach is right...

9) Stanford - Unimpressive last-minute win at home 

10) Arizona - See #9

11) UCLA - A bad team with proven upset potential. Host the Beavs in next week's pillow fight.

12) OSU - Blew their best shot at a win for the rest of the year...

I'd put Washington ahead of Oregon. Admittedly, I only saw Oregon play Auburn, but Washington is a damn good team. I just don't buy the Cristobal/Oregon hype. 

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I bumped this thread from page 4. Tells you all you need to know about the league this season.

1) Oregon - Indisputable

2) Utah - Current leader in the South

3) USC - Helton keeps his job at this rate

4) ASU - They seem good, just young

5) Washington - Three conference losses? Maybe fifth place is generous...

6) WSU - Too much love early, too much hate late

7) UCLA - Streak-breaking wins are worth extra in this ranking

8 ) Arizona - Respectable season if Tate stays healthy

9) Stanford - I don't think it's just injuries...

10) OSU - Beavers have bottomed out and are turning the corner

11) Colorado - Depth, or lack thereof, rears its ugly head in nasty 3-week bender

12) Cal -  See #11

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2 hours ago, texifornia said:

Ralphie is TOO POWERFUL to continue

 

 

What’s really the worst that could happen?

 


oh.

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What a fucking clown show:

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The Pac-12’s statement Sunday evening about a momentous officiating gaffe in Berkeley provided some insight into what happened but missed the mark with regard to why and how it happened.

Why was Washington State called for, and assessed, an illegal hands-to-the-face penalty that was committed by Cal?

How did the gaffe, which resulted in a 57-yard mistake in field position, go unnoticed by officials on the field, in the replay booth and in the command center in San Francisco?

Without the why or the how, the Pac-12 statement intended to provide transparency fell short.

Worry not: The Hotline has cracked the case.

It’s not a satisfying answer for Washington State, or for anyone frustrated with Pac-12 officiating.

But it solves the mystery.

In the headline of its statement, the Pac-12 used the phrase “mechanics error” to describe the breakdown.

Disregard that. It’s misleading.

Referee Matt Richards, who called and assessed the penalty, had a mental lapse.

He had a titanic brain fart.

It’s as simple and painful (for the Cougars) as that.

It was so simple, in fact, that the conference had no way to prevent Richards from making the error and no way to correct the situation before it was too late — before the next play was run and the gaffe became permanent.

What happened?

The Hotline has reviewed multiple replays of the sequence over the past 48 hours, allowing us to spot the shortcomings in the conference’s statement and ultimately discover the crucial how and why.

Richards, as the referee, was positioned in the end zone behind Washington State returner Travell Harris on a kickoff with approximately 10 minutes remaining in the third quarter.

He correctly spotted the hands-to-the-face infraction committed by Cal’s Ben Moos (uniform No. 15) on Washington State’s Halid Djibril (No. 42) — a sequence that began at the 19 yard-line and culminated at the 16.

Then Richards, from behind the play, threw his flag and alerted his crew.

He then followed routine: He flipped on his mic, addressed the crowd and announced the penalty “on the receiving team number 15.”

Harris had returned the punt to the 50, but the infraction “on the receiving team” was committed at the 16.

Account for half the distance to the goal-line, and the ball was spotted at the eight.

Then the Cougars threw a short pass on first down … and Richards realized his mistake.

The wires had gotten crossed in his brain: He had believed Cal was the receiving team.

And in those few seconds, the damage was done.

Because the ball had been snapped for the ensuing play, there was no going back … no way to correct what had been a 57-yard mistake.

Washington State, which trailed 20-11, should have started its drive at Cal’s 35 yard-line: The kick return to the 50, plus 15 yards for the penalty.

How do we know Richards had a mental lapse — that it was human error, not a “mechanics error”?

The Hotline was able to review footage of the sequence that we hadn’t previously seen.

Listen carefully to Richards as he announces the penalty to the crowd.

At the end of his explanation is this:

“First down, Cal.”

In the moment, you think nothing of it. You assume he misspoke, as referees sometimes do.

But when added to the entirety of the sequence, the mystery is solved:

From the moment Richards spotted the hands-to-the-face, he had it stuck in his head that Cal was the receiving team.

And from his perspective, everything was executed properly:

He saw the infraction committed by a Cal player, he announced the penalty “on the receiving team,” and he walked off the yardage “on the receiving team.”

A titanic — and unstoppable — brain fart.

Why didn’t members of the officiating crew correct Richards?

Because he saw the penalty — it was his call.

Wires crossed in his head, he told the crew that No. 15 “on the receiving team” had committed the penalty, and they assumed that meant WSU.

When Richards walked off the yardage, the other officials had no reason to think he was doing so in error.

None of them looked around for No. 15 on the receiving team, because officials don’t typically check uniform numbers.

They count bodies to make sure each team has 11 on the field, but they don’t check numbers.

Had they looked, the crew would have realized No. 15 on the receiving team, a freshman named Armauni Archie, was on the WSU sideline during the kickoff.

Richards not only had assessed a penalty on the wrong team but on a player who wasn’t in the game.

Why didn’t the replay booth or the command center in San Francisco get involved?

Because illegal hands-to-the-face, like holding, isn’t a reviewable play.

Reviewable plays involve the boundary, the goal-line, control of the ball, targeting, etc.

As Richards was processing, explaining and assessing the penalty, the replay booth and command center were focused  on Harris, the returner:

At the end of his run, the ball popped loose — there was the potential for a fumble.

Because the identification of the penalty originated with Richards, there was no way for officials on the field or in the booth to know the wires had crossed in his brain … that he had flipped the kicking and receiving teams.

They had no reason to assume a mistake had been made.

And WSU lost 57 yards.

According to the conference statement Sunday evening, Richards informed the Cougars’ sideline of the mistake “after the next play was run.”

The Hotline asked Mike Leach on a teleconference Monday about the timing of events, and Leach said he was told of the mistake “later in the quarter.”

(Not wanting to get fined, Leach was vague on the topic.)

In contrast to corrective statements issued earlier this season, the conference did not provide an accompanying video explanation with narration by David Coleman, the vice president of officiating.

The reason, we suspect, is that Richards got the call right (hands to the face by No. 15).

There was nothing to show.

There is no section in the rulebook for referees confusing the kicking team with the receiving team.

The description of the mistake by the conference — a “mechanics error” — was misleading. It made clarity elusive in a statement intended to provide transparency.

In reality, it was human error, a giant mental lapse.

Why not call it an error in judgment?

The statement also explained the consequences:

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Richards has been suspended for one game; the crew has been “downgraded,” which (we assume) could undermine their postseason assignments.

Is one game enough for Richards?

(We’re sympathetic. Washington State fans probably feels differently, and understandably so.)

There is precedent, as those who follow WSU might recall.

 

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On 11/29/2019 at 1:07 PM, berlinerbaer said:

Some stories rumors about Chip leaving Westwood at season's end to be a coordinator in the NFL.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/chip-kelly-ucla-parting-ways-tony-pauline/

Yeah, that has been dispelled.  Unfortunately.  Wish he would go.

Going tonight.  Rain, late start and shitty team means we may not break 30k at the Rose Bowl

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Hahahahahahaha. Forget ESPN or FOX, the Pac-12 couldn't even get YoutubeTV, Hulu, or Amazon Prime to stream their network? WTF is Vidgo???

 

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16 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Vidgo doesn't have an office, or staff, or any money, that I can tell. 

ftfy

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59 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

What a fucking embarrassment Larry Scott is.

and all of the school presidents that keep extending him

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19 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I think this is their lead investor.

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GIF by Silicon Valley Jian-Yang must be the Vice President

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I thought larry had the chicoms on the hook for BILLIONS to subscribe to the PAC12n

and what happened to the "investors" that were going to pay $500 million (no wait was it $750 million) for 10% (or was it 3%) of the PAC12n?

 

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not to interupt the circle jerk here, but the P12 networks are on the same number of streaming services as LHN and 2 of them are the same.    

 

P12; Sling, Fubu, & Vidgo.

 

keep in mind AT&T may be going away soon.  

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not to interupt the circle jerk here, but the P12 networks are on the same number of streaming services as LHN and 2 of them are the same.    
 
P12; Sling, Fubu, & Vidgo.
 
keep in mind AT&T may be going away soon.  

To be clear, LHN is a joke too.

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18 hours ago, SDG said:

not to interupt the circle jerk here, but the P12 networks are on the same number of streaming services as LHN and 2 of them are the same.    

 

P12; Sling, Fubu, & Vidgo.

 

keep in mind AT&T may be going away soon.  

AT&T has been gone for over a month.  

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18 hours ago, TeddyBearStallion said:

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving conference.  

Yet your bitchass, third-rate university is not even worthy of it.Try to catch back up to Utah State before you cry any more about the Pac-12.

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20 hours ago, gmr548 said:


To be clear, LHN is a joke too.

But my verizon Fios carries LHN.. so the Pac12 network is still the bigger joke

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20 hours ago, TeddyBearStallion said:

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving conference.  

How is that being an Independent working out for you?

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21 hours ago, TeddyBearStallion said:

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving conference.  

Gonzaga dropped from number 1 to number 2 after beating your team by 23. That's your place. 

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On 1/22/2020 at 7:32 PM, gmr548 said:


To be clear, LHN is a joke too.

1. LHN has more traditional cable carriage

2. while I understand the aspect of being on more streaming services is a little better because of the small amount of additional revenue for just being crammed onto subscribers.....from a "I want to see this" standpoint with streaming you really only need to be on a few services and about anyone in the world can get your network if they really want it.....unlike with traditional cable that has defined markets for each provider and if your provider(s) in your city do not have the network you are SOL

3. the LHN pays $20 million per year to ONE team while the PAC12n pays about $30 million per year to TWELVE teams

4. the LHN carries one football game (maybe 2) for ONE team and some mens BB and a lot of other stuff many people are not going to miss watching....the PAC12n carries a shit tonne of football, mens bb and other sports for 12 teams

5. this does not mean there are not a lot of really shitty things about the LHN or that ESPN has not just fucked it off and given up on production quality and programming......but it does mean that Texas is making a shit tonne more money for content that basically would still be difficult if not impossible for most people to see without the LHN

6. the biggest fuck up IMO with the LHN is the lack of UNIVERSITY and ACADEMIC programming that could be on there.....there is a shit tonne of really cool and interesting stuff going on at UT every day all day and sometimes all night.....that shit should be all over the LHN and if it was I can guarantee you that the LHN would be much more successful financially and for exposure for the university and even for athletics and much more successful even for ESPN.....but ESPN is a shit company with shit programming in general so that will never happen now if ever

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Seeing the Pac 12 beginning to really implode on itself and Larry Scott still leading the way...  Feels like a merger will happen between some PAC schools and of course Texas with Oklahoma.  I am hoping the Big 12 could stay, add another school or two. Let WVA go and kick out Baylor.  But with the PAC doing so bad, think the only thing that can save FOX/ESPN interests out there is for a new 16 school league.  Hope I'm wrong

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I'd really like to believe the PAC can survive with it's current membership. It's one of two present conferences that still feel relatively cohesive and regional, constrained to the major universities of the American west. But it's looking shitty. 

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