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1874 SAA.  4 digit frame.  Not factory grips but been on the gun as long as anyone knows.  At least 80 years.  

Just got my .264 win mag back.  This is a pre-64 Model 70 I had picked up at auction. Barrel was somewhat shot out when I got it and had some rust damage to the finish.  Action was very clean so

Got my new hog rig in today (Tavor 7). May have to quarantine my ass to the pig stand tomorrow night to see if I can get my first kill with it. It's a heavy SOB, especially with the thermal, but beca

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11 minutes ago, davidg said:

38 Super is to 9mm as 10mm is to 40S&W*

Lots of IPSC shooters run 38 Super guns to meet major power factor requirements.









*Not 100% accurate statement but close enough.

Pretty damn accurate I’d say- with the one difference being that the 9mm predated the .38 super in contrast to the 10mm and the .40’s birth order. 

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9 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Full auto is for the most part silly.  Not the greatest of choices, but in an open area, and one guy has a semi and one full auto, I'd take my chances with the full auto guy.  After that first shot or two, can't hit shit with them except as laughably close range.

Belt-fed weapons are another story, as are SMG's...but in a rifle you shoulder, FA is just a waste of ammo.

Wish I could retrieve the prewar “bring back” FN-made  BAR DEWAT we donated to the Texas Military Museum at Camp Mabry over10 years ago. They have never put it on display, and it has just sat in their vault ever since.

It looked just like this one:

 

 

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On 4/4/2021 at 11:19 AM, Scooter Monzingo said:

Anyone else have their tax stamp for a fully auto weapon?

 

 

On 4/4/2021 at 4:15 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

 I hoped so, but we’ve got dog killers on this board, so...

Is it Scooter?

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On 4/4/2021 at 12:25 PM, Gil Bang said:

Was doing some work on my GF’s mom’s house. She’s been widowed for several years. Somehow guns were discussed, and she disappeared into a back room. Came out with a little Rossi .38 that her husband bought her; she thinks sometime around 1970. She said he took her to the range 1 time, and it’s been in the closet since then.

Anyway, she told me that she doesn’t want it, and told me to take it home. I don’t know anything about Rossi, but it looks pretty well built and it’s it good condition. 87a0f7d1f6be539f70732c869a1b74d7.jpg

Rossi has a rep for poor quality control, but that doesn't mean your revolver is a bad gun. Unload and cock the hammer and let it down until all of the chambers cycle through. Check the lock up of the cylinder for each chamber and make sure that the bolt holds it in battery. If all that timing checks out it should be good to go. It's 150 year old technology, but it still requires a good deal of precision to make all the parts work together well. I have a Rossi .44 mag snubbie that looks a lot like that, and the only issue it has really is that it likes to rust easily. Just keep it clean and oiled and it should be good to go.

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9 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Wish I could retrieve the prewar “bring back” FN-made  BAR DEWAT we donated to the Texas Military Museum at Camp Mabry over10 years ago. They have never put it on display, and it has just sat in their vault ever since.

It looked just like this one:

 

 

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That would drive me up the wall.  Do you have any recourse?  Could you make a monetary donation as a good faith gesture and take it back?

I've heard that's an all too common outcome on donated items.  Most places have far more stuff than space.

I'm not sure I could let that go without a fight.

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12 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

So, a realtor buddy just called me from his vacation.   He asked a favor:  he just got a listing on a foreclosure from one of his banker buddies, and, being out of town, he asked me to go meet the locksmith and collect the keys.   

He's a good guy, and it's close-by, so I agreed.   Well, the house was completely vacant, but I noticed something on the top shelf of a closet (I'm pretty tall).  AMMO BOXES FUCK YEAH!!!  OH SHIT, THERE ARE ABOUT 10 BOXES HERE!!!

Oh shit, it's "38 Super".   WTF is 38 super?  Never heard of it.  Looks kinda 9mm to me.  Anybody shoot this shit?

38 super is mega popular on the shooting circuits.  Ballistic equivalent of a .357 fired from a 1911 platform (generally).  Can easily sell online and it will be gobbled up quick

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12 hours ago, Reagan1k said:

Pretty damn accurate I’d say- with the one difference being that the 9mm predated the .38 super in contrast to the 10mm and the .40’s birth order. 

Performance wise, yes.  Construction wise the 40's parent case is the 10mm, and is just shortened with all other dimensions the same.  The 38Super has the 38ACP as the parent case and the 9mm uses the 7.65x21 as a parent case.  You  could trim 10mm case down to make 40 if you needed but you cant make 9 from a 38S or vice versa. 

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1911is arguably the smoothest pistol platform you can buy.  Event requirements on power preclude many 9mm options, and the width of .45acp makes for capacity issues.  Enter the .38 super.  Double-stack 1911 mags give you the capacity of the 9mm, and the power to run with the .45acp crowd.  

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Anyone have recs for 1-6x24 optic for an AR?  Will be using it on hogs, target shooting, etc.  7.62x39 AR. Would like to spend less than $500.  The Vortex Strike Eagle seems like a good buy at $299.  Thanks for any suggetions.

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15 minutes ago, heinhorn said:

Anyone have recs for 1-6x24 optic for an AR?  Will be using it on hogs, target shooting, etc.  7.62x39 AR. Would like to spend less than $500.  The Vortex Strike Eagle seems like a good buy at $299.  Thanks for any suggetions.

I've heard that the Primary Arms 1-6 is better yet cheaper than the Vortex Strike Eagle. YMMV

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6 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Got this for $300 on gunbroker. Whiskey and gun eBay are dangerous. 
 

Ar 12 

Radikal MKX-3

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5 hours ago, Scooter Monzingo said:

Fuck it, I’d bought it too. Well done.

Yeah, that's pretty sweet.

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I've heard that the Primary Arms 1-6 is better yet cheaper than the Vortex Strike Eagle. YMMV

Not cheaper but I’d say just as good if not slightly better. But a nod to PA for having more versions like the 300blk/7.62x39 bdc version etc and the 7.62x39 lpvo from them is first focal plane.

I have a 1-8 strike eagle and I’ve found that the 8x has a really narrow short eye relief/box vs any other magnification. But that’s on my ar10 pistol
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On 12/19/2020 at 12:54 PM, Gatorubet said:


lol. He is not going to waste political capital on a ban he can’t get with congressional support. He’s gonna need every vote in every issue to clean up some of Trump’s poison pill, and pissing off the right on an issue that is not as important is not happening.

On 12/12/2020 at 11:31 AM, crimsonlonghorn said:

And it's all going to be executive orders because "this crisis can't wait for congress to act!"

 

barf

 

Careful, Joe! You're going to waste political capital!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-gun-control-executive-actions-violence-epidemic/

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7 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I look forward to the equal and opposite  EO reactions in a few years.  

Equally marginal, I'd expect. Everybody freak out.

 

Speaking of which - 150round 9mm range packs and bulk m855s at academy this AM, and I was the 2nd person in line 45mins before opening. Did the hoarders run out of storage space or are people relaxing about this nonsense?

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

Equally marginal, I'd expect. Everybody freak out.

 

Speaking of which - 150round 9mm range packs and bulk m855s at academy this AM, and I was the 2nd person in line 45mins before opening. Did the hoarders run out of storage space or are people relaxing about this nonsense?

How much was the m855s?

 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Equally marginal, I'd expect. Everybody freak out.

No one freaking out. But getting braces back would be nice. It’s low hanging bullshit that will accomplish nothing.  You want to do something, do something benign but meaningful like working on making sure we enforce the laws we already have.  Then move onto things most Americans agree on like better back ground checks etc.   Banning an accessory is stupid and largely useless. 

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34 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

You want to do something, do something benign but meaningful like working on making sure we enforce the laws we already have.  

Like prosecuting people, like his crackhead son, for lying on form 4473's.  That makes too much sense, so we can't do that.

 

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1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

No one freaking out. But getting braces back would be nice. It’s low hanging bullshit that will accomplish nothing.  You want to do something, do something benign but meaningful like working on making sure we enforce the laws we already have.  Then move onto things most Americans agree on like better back ground checks etc.   Banning an accessory is stupid and largely useless. 

 agree  - here's my take as a unworried lifelong gun owner who is inconvenienced by political freakouts on the EO and "actions":

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The Justice Department, within 30 days, will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of “ghost guns.” We are experiencing a growing problem: criminals are buying kits containing nearly all of the components and directions for finishing a firearm within as little as 30 minutes and using these firearms to commit crimes. When these firearms turn up at crime scenes, they often cannot be traced by law enforcement due to the lack of a serial number. The Justice Department will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of these firearms.

I honestly don't know how big of a deal this is, but I can't think of any reason why somebody should be able to get an 80% lower as an alternative to normal channels. I do want to build one at some point, so it's a hassle but I'm happy to get a stamp and put a number on it just like I would with an oil catcher.

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The Justice Department, within 60 days, will issue a proposed rule to make clear when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turns a pistol into a short-barreled rifle subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act. The alleged shooter in the Boulder tragedy last month appears to have used a pistol with an arm brace, which can make a firearm more stable and accurate while still being concealable.

This has always seemed dumb to me (along the same lines as restrictions on suppressors, not sure why SBRs are problematic in the first place). But either way, I guess I could get a stamp. 

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The Justice Department, within 60 days, will publish model “red flag” legislation for states. Red flag laws allow family members or law enforcement to petition for a court order temporarily barring people in crisis from accessing firearms if they present a danger to themselves or others. The President urges Congress to pass an appropriate national “red flag” law, as well as legislation incentivizing states to pass “red flag” laws of their own. In the interim, the Justice Department’s published model legislation will make it easier for states that want to adopt red flag laws to do so.

Good. I want red flag laws and so do the majority of the American people. 

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The Administration is investing in evidence-based community violence interventions. Community violence interventions are proven strategies for reducing gun violence in urban communities through tools other than incarceration. Because cities across the country are experiencing a historic spike in homicides, the Biden-Harris Administration is taking a number of steps to prioritize investment in community violence interventions.

Whatever.

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The Justice Department will issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) issued a report summarizing information regarding its investigations into firearms trafficking, which is one way firearms are diverted into the illegal market where they can easily end up in the hands of dangerous individuals. Since the report’s publication, states, local, and federal policymakers have relied on its data to better thwart the common channels of firearms trafficking. But there is good reason to believe that firearms trafficking channels have changed since 2000, for example due to the emergence of online sales and proliferation of “ghost guns.” The Justice Department will issue a new, comprehensive report on firearms trafficking and annual updates necessary to give policymakers the information they need to help address firearms trafficking today.

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The President will nominate David Chipman to serve as Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. ATF is the key agency enforcing our gun laws, and it needs a confirmed director in order to do the job to the best of its ability. But ATF has not had a confirmed director since 2015. Chipman served at ATF for 25 years and now works to advance commonsense gun safety laws.

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

but I can't think of any reason why somebody should be able to get an 80% lower as an alternative to normal channels.

Agreed. Easy one. 
 

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Good. I want red flag laws and so do the majority of the American people. 

I don’t want anything to do with this unless it is absolutely bipartisan.  If it’s something that gets shoved up our ass with a VP tiebreaker then they can go fuck themselves, and I would absolutely expect  equally painful legislation the other way when that time comes.  

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So this new director of the ATF was one of the agents at Waco and has claimed during a Reddit AMA that cult members used two .50 caliber rifles to shoot down two Texas National Guard helicopters. He is also currently a gun control lobbyist. Seems like he was kinda poorly vetted, and this will probably come back to bite.

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4 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

Who wants red flag laws where a vindictive spouse or family member, or police can petition to have your guns confiscated?  That's utter bullshit. A psychiatrist should be the one that makes that determination.

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We going back to this nonsense of preliminary studies with carefully crafted questions as validation for "national support".  Funny how after the specifics come out, approval craters.  Rinse, wash, repeat.  

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25 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

So this new director of the ATF was one of the agents at Waco and has claimed during a Reddit AMA that cult members used two .50 caliber rifles to shoot down two Texas National Guard helicopters. He is also currently a gun control lobbyist. Seems like he was kinda poorly vetted, and this will probably come back to bite.

Failing up...hallmark of virtually every government agency across the country.  So stupid.  

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1 hour ago, CHIEF said:

Who wants red flag laws where a vindictive spouse or family member, or police can petition to have your guns confiscated?  That's utter bullshit. A psychiatrist should be the one that makes that determination.

CHIEF

We'll need a new slang term like "swatting" to describe bogus calls resulting in Red Flag seizures. 

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We going back to this nonsense of preliminary studies with carefully crafted questions as validation for "national support".  Funny how after the specifics come out, approval craters.  Rinse, wash, repeat.  

Some people are too ignorant to accept that. Plenty of gun owners are quick to be ok with giving up stuff that they deem unnecessary.
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2 hours ago, CHIEF said:

Who wants red flag laws where a vindictive spouse or family member, or police can petition to have your guns confiscated?  That's utter bullshit. A psychiatrist should be the one that makes that determination.

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That seems like a strawman. What makes you think there wouldn't be a professional determination? And how common do you think that these false reports actually are?

Ever tried to get a spouse or family member care? That slope just isn't slippery. 

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10 minutes ago, Reagan1k said:

We'll need a new slang term like "swatting" to describe bogus calls resulting in Red Flag seizures. 

Lets create a term for a  non-existent phenomenon, sure. Guys, this kind of paranoia is why everything is so expensive. The price of your freedom is not letting crazies and wife beaters walk around strapped despite warning signs. 

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Yeah, I have no problem with red flag laws assuming they are well written and allow for proper due process. Similarly, I'm in favor of universal background checks as long as they can be done free and conveniently. Unfortunately, we are not likely to get either of those things done properly because neither side is actually interested in doing things that would make an actual difference. The republicans are most likely to just oppose everything on principle (it makes a great wedge issue), and the democrats will write bills that are blatantly punitive and discriminatory towards minorities (as evidenced by the House versions of their universal background check bills that they pass every session).

As an aside, this whole thing about classifying pistol braces as SBR's really sticks in my craw. I can acknowledge that they are a workaround of federal law, but outlawing them will accomplish absolutely nothing while costing millions of gun owners. There is nothing to prevent a crazy individual from purchasing a regular stock and installing it on an AR pistol. It takes maybe ten minutes. So outlawing braces does nothing. It's kinda like the whole SBS thing. I someone wants to shoot somewhere up with a short barreled shotgun, nothing is going to prevent them from spending a couple minutes with a hacksaw. It's not like they care about the additional charges. The whole thing stems from an outdated assumption that barrel length has an effect on shot pattern, and deprives lawful gun owners of a tool that could be effectively used for self defense. It also has been upheld as lawful based on one of the worst, most corrupt, and poorly argued SCOTUS cases in our history.

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We'll need a new slang term like "swatting" to describe bogus calls resulting in Red Flag seizures. 

Swatting is already a thing.

In the gaming/online community threats have been called into police and raids caught on live mics and eventually live streams.

I believe it’s turned deadly at least once.
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Swatting is already a thing.

In the gaming/online community threats have been called into police and raids caught on live mics and eventually live streams.

I believe it’s turned deadly at least once.

And that’s related to the non-existent phenomenon of red flag laws deployed by angry ex-wives how?

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So I think if red flag laws don’t get mixed with no-knock warrants and raids, things shouldn’t get too messy.

But I don’t know how LEO isn’t going to push for the return of no-knocks if they are having to separate, say, a sovereign citizen from his firearms. I should clarify maybe not a true sovereign citizen but someone on that path

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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Lets create a term for a  non-existent phenomenon, sure. Guys, this kind of paranoia is why everything is so expensive. The price of your freedom is not letting crazies and wife beaters walk around strapped despite warning signs. 

I'm not opposed to certain measures being taken to help stop criminal activity.  That doesn't mean I also can't foresee that this law will be abused in certain situations, just like the weaponization of other laws.  IMO, that's simply good policy, to look at the worst case scenario for any legislative proposal and try to create checks and balances to prohibit abuse.

I can be for Red Flag laws, still wonder what we are going to call it when someone twists it in an act of vengeance, and hope for something to balance the scales in that event to make the "price of freedom" something we can afford.

 

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.capitalgazette.com/news/ac-cn-red-flag-20191001-zjzsbra735eatkkm2qmobz5z4a-story.html%3foutputType=amp
 

The Anne Arundel County police officers were serving an extreme risk protective order that required them to confiscate guns from a man they’d never encountered at a home they’d never visited.
 

That morning would end with the death of Willis, the only known fatality during the year since Maryland’s red flag law — designed to take weapons away from people who pose an extreme risk to themselves or others — went into effect on Oct. 1, 2018. 

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On 4/9/2021 at 4:51 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

And that’s related to the non-existent phenomenon of red flag laws deployed by angry ex-wives how?

The point is that it can be and will be done, and the secret to gain real support and make it beneficial is to craft the legislation in such a way that there is relief and due process in the event of such a thing.  

We have due process for things, and need to have due process for Red Flag laws as well - Just blindly saying I support this because it is good in theory isn't something I'm willing to do until I see the specifics.  If at that point they seem fair, reasonable, and just with adequate safeguards from abuse, I'll be in support.

 

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9 minutes ago, Speedtrucker said:


Swatting is already a thing.

In the gaming/online community threats have been called into police and raids caught on live mics and eventually live streams.

I believe it’s turned deadly at least once.

I know the term.  I was saying swatting is a term used for a certain type of bogus claim, and I wonder what the term will be for this when someone thinks its funny or seeks revenge by calling in a Red Flag claim.  I wasn't suggesting it will be called swatting as if that was original to me.

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Gun control is emotional on both sides.  There is a tendency for proponents and opponents alike to be knee jerk in their actions and opinions.  

If we don't address things like this and have an open discussion with intellectual honesty about what could and will happen, then we do disservice to the cause of making the country more safe.

@Bozo_Casanova  My point is, to completely dismiss this idea could lead to bad legislation and innocent people being hurt.  Your calling it non-existent in my opinion is a bit naive and could lead to a bad law without certain safeguards if the drafters of the legislation think the same way, or don't think through it at all.

I'm not opposed rational laws.  Don't jump to conclusions in the same way you think I'm jumping to conclusions. 
 

Edit- maybe I’m just old and cynical, but there are people in this country who want to ban all firearms and others who want zero regulation.  They’re vying for the votes from all of the rest of us and attempting to influence legislation toward their end goals.

I don’t trust either side to ever act in 100% good faith. 

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4 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Agreed. Easy one. 
 

I don’t want anything to do with this unless it is absolutely bipartisan.  If it’s something that gets shoved up our ass with a VP tiebreaker then they can go fuck themselves, and I would absolutely expect  equally painful legislation the other way when that time comes.  

So that's interesting, that you believe GOP congress asswipes need to vote for something for it to be "bipartisan".  

If a good chunk of GOP voters support something that dems do, I don't give a fuck what GOP congress asswipes do, it's fucking "bipartisan".   

Get it through your head dude, the GOP is bought and paid-for by the gun lobby.  They aren't gonna do shit unless LaPierre tells them it's OK, regardless of what their constituents think. 

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