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I feel compelled to update

William Strampel, former Dean of the College of Osteopathic Medicine and Larry Nassar's boss, was arrested yesterday. They have not released the charges, but have confirmed that he is in the county jail.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/26/larry-nassar-william-strampel-arrest/460785002/

I will try not to rehash old items, but I will also try not to brush anything away either.

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I wonder how vigorous Sparty's going to defend itself when the civil suits start rolling in.  So many victims, with so much prior notice.  Title IX ain't no joke.

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There is more to Strampels arrest story - the Detroit New, the other local fish wrap is reporting 4th degree sexual misconduct (not sure what that is) and that porn and videos of Nassar treatments were found on his computer.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/26/william-strampel-arrest-larry-nassar-msu/33310095/

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Michigan State Police Lt. Ryan Pennell outlined the case against Strampel in a court affidavit, which included accusations again Strampel by four women. Investigators said they also discovered pornographic videos on Strampel's work computer at MSU and a video of Nassar performing his "treatment" on a young female patient.

It should be noted that a year ago there were hundreds of videos on youtube that showed Nassar performing various diagnostics and treatments. IMO this was all part of his cover that he used to hide his sexual assaults.

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4 hours ago, DocZaius said:

I wonder how vigorous Sparty's going to defend itself when the civil suits start rolling in.  So many victims, with so much prior notice.  Title IX ain't no joke.

It likely won’t be up to Sparty, but their insurance carrier.  The costs could very easily get into the hundreds of millions.   

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Jesus shit.

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Strampel allegedly allowed Nassar, who worked in the MSU clinic, to see patients while he was under investigation in 2014 and then failed to enforce treatment protocols after Nassar was cleared by a flawed investigation and allowed to practice again.

Authorities also noted that they found a video of Nassar performing his so-called treatment on Strampel's work computer, which they seized Feb. 2 after getting a credible tip about the dean.

But the new revelations in the court documents focus on Strampel's own behavior while he was dean of MSU's College of Osteopathic Medicine, some of which occurred even after Nassar was arrested and the university was rocked by scandal.

A police affidavit filed with the criminal complaint says that as recently as last June, during a meeting with a medical student over a test score, Strampel said a woman her age could "put out" for an old man and then also initiated a conversation about sending nude photos.

"[She] interpreted these statements as a request to send him nude photographs in exchange for special consideration with respect to her education at the College," the affidavit said.

Police who seized his computer in February found 50 photos of "bare vaginas, nude and semi-nude women, sex toys and pornography," they said. There were also pornographic videos and evidence that someone had tried to delete some of the material.

"Many of the photos are of what appear to be nude selfies of female MSU students, as evidenced by the MSU clothing and piercings featured in multiple photos," the affidavit says.

 

The affidavit catalogs complaints from three other women, two students and a junior staff member.

One of them said that after she was summoned by Strampel for falling asleep in class in 2011, he told her she would never make it in the profession if she didn't dress sexier. Two years later, when she met with him to discuss complaints about her residency, he allegedly had her turn around so he could look at her body and told her: "What do I have to do to teach you to be submissive and subordinate to men?"

At a scholarship dinner in 2014, as she posed for a picture with Strampel, the dean grabbed her buttock and squeezed it, she told police. A few months later at a luncheon, she asked him to stop looking at her body and he allegedly replied, "Eye candy is eye candy."

The other student said that during a 2014 meeting to discuss an exam she failed, Strampel suggested she become a centerfold model and then agreed to let her retake it, she told police.

"In return, Strampel said, [she] would be required to do anything for him," the affidavit said. "Given the context, [she] understood that she was being asked to do anything he wanted sexually in exchange for the favor."

The staff member told police Strampel told her in 2006 that "it was good when women were drunk because then it was easy to have sex with them." Four years later, at a college dance, he allegedly approached her from behind and grabbed her buttock.

 

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On 3/27/2018 at 8:34 AM, DocZaius said:

I wonder how vigorous Sparty's going to defend itself when the civil suits start rolling in.  So many victims, with so much prior notice.  Title IX ain't no joke.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/costs-from-nassar-case-likely-to-exceed-500-million-for-michigan-state-1521975601

20 hours ago, Chet Steadman said:

It likely won’t be up to Sparty, but their insurance carrier.  The costs could very easily get into the hundreds of millions.   

http://www.wsj.com/articles/costs-from-nassar-case-likely-to-exceed-500-million-for-michigan-state-1521975601

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When I read shit like this, I wonder how in the hell it's possible.  And then I remember that I'm faculty at a university, and that many of the university administrators I deal with are among the most clueless, tone-deaf people I have ever met.

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EAST LANSING - A public relations firm billed MSU for more than $500,000 for January as it tracked social media activity surrounding the Larry Nassar case, which often included the accounts of victims and their families, journalists, celebrities and politicians.

The work, which also included collecting and evaluating news articles, had previously been done by members of Michigan State University's Office of Communication and Brand Strategy, some of whom continued to do so in January.

The work by Weber Shandwick, a New York-based firm, totaled $517,343 for more than 1,440 hours of work, according to documents obtained through a public records request. The firm billed for work done by 18 different employees, whose hourly rates ranged from $200 to $600 per hour. Five of those employees billed MSU for more than $50,000, including one who billed for $96,900 and another who billed for $120,893. 

Weber Shandwick no longer works with the university, an MSU spokeswoman said. She did not provide a reason and referred comment to the firm. A message seeking comment from Weber Shandwick wasn't immediately returned. 

 

 

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Unreal, also found it sad that a PSU fan of course had to defend Penn State in the replies to the most recent awful MSU tweets. 

Pot/Kettle fucking idiot.

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From todays Lansing State Journal (I won't link it because paywall & I've used my 3 free articles this month)
 
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EAST LANSING - A survivor of abuse at the hands of former Michigan State University doctor Larry Nassar said Friday that interim President John Engler offered her $250,000 during a sit-down meeting where they discussed what the university has done in the wake of the Nassar scandal.

 

 


Kaylee Lorincz, who spoke during public comment at Friday’s MSU Board of Trustees meeting, said she asked for a meeting with Engler two weeks ago, hoping to share her story, that she thought it would help MSU heal.

After explaining what MSU has done in recent weeks, Engler told Lorincz and her mother, Lisa, that cooperation between survivors and the university couldn’t occur until settlements in the civil litigation were reached.

That’s when Engler offered her $250,000, Lorincz said during her public comment at a meeting of MSU's Board of Trustees.

"Mr. Engler then looked directly at me and asked, 'Right now, if I wrote you a check for $250,000 would you take it?'" Lorincz said. "When I explained that it’s not about the money for me and that I just want to help, he said, 'Well give me a number.' He also said that he had met with Rachael Denhollander and that she gave him a number."

Lorincz said she later spoke with Denhollander, the first woman to publicly accuse Nassar of sexual abuse, and was told that she hadn't given Engler a number, nor met with him.

Lorincz said she felt she was being bullied into something and without her lawyer present.

It was at that point, Lorincz said, that Carol Viventi, vice president and special counsel to the president, stepped in to say the civil litigation was about money.

Lorincz referred to Viventi as Engler's attorney during her comment. That prompted Engler to respond that Viventi isn't his attorney.

He did not formally respond to Lorincz's statement following her comment. When he attempted to have her step away from the podium after her three minutes were up, protest erupted inside the meeting room.

Chants of "Let her speak" rang out from a crowd of more than two dozen student activists and parents of Nassar survivors. Protestors also supported Lisa Lorincz when she spoke prior to her daughter.

In a conversation with Lisa Lorincz on Friday morning, MSU spokesperson Emily Guerrant, who was in the meeting with Engler, said her interpretation had been that Engler wasn't offering a settlement, but engaging in a “philosophical discussion” about what amount would be appropriate.

Guerrant said Engler would not be available to media for comment immediately following the meeting but promised that MSU's communications office would respond to emailed questions later today.

Engler addressed the Jane Doe lawsuit at the MSU Board of Trustees meeting

Engler said during the Board of Trustees meeting Friday morning that mediation with the people who have filed civil suits against MSU over abuse by Nassar would begin again on April 25 and 26.

"Enough is enough. I just want to see a just and equitable settlement where we do right by our courageous survivors," Trustee Brian Mosallam said in a statement sent out over Twitter on Friday morning.

Engler, speaking to a committee of the state legislature in March, said he hoped the lawsuits would be settled by the end of the semester. MSU's spring semester ends May 5.

In a press release, Manly, Stewart & Finaldi, the law firm representing Lorincz in a civil suit against MSU, noted that the $250,000 Lorincz said Engler offered her "was less than 10% of the average amount that Penn State University paid to the male victims of Jerry Sandusky."

Check back for updates.

 

 

Well I can't click back for updates, because I out of freebies this month on the LSJ.

But if you believe Kaylee Lorincz, then no only did Engler offer a negotiate a settlement with her but he lied to her about having talked to Rachel Denhollander.
I'm sure there will be another press release soon, explaining that it wasn't an offer and that this is not how he (or anyone else on the BOT or in the meeting) remembers it.

Seriously, these things will not be won in the media, or on twitter. What a shitshow all around.
FWIW - I wasn't really aware of the last weeks worth of stuff, due to being busy. But I heard it being discussed on talk radio coming back to work this afternoon.

Also seeing reports that MSU people are saying that is not how they remember the exchange and it was not an offer to settle.

#shitshow continues for the President Engler and BOT
(sadly, like PSU there are many who are supporting the "strong" position that Engler is taking in the ongoing rebuttal with ESPN and other ongoings)

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here are the most fucked up things about this latest story

1. you are the INTERIM president so you are pretty much in the clear you have surely (well not surely in this case, but you can at least pretend) been "vetted" and are clear of overall "cover up" involvement

2. you are not going to be in the job long term so you do not have to be as concerned about longer term consequences costing you the presidents job because you are not going to be the long term president

3. so why would you not just start lining shit out to get the cases to court, get the lawyers going, clear shit up and get payouts made either pre or post court cases WITH LAWYERS and move on and along with that fire people with the appearance of involvement and again move on

4. there could be large tuition hikes to cover this

 

at this point it looks like the interim president was just the "next man up" to try and obfuscate or cover up or otherwise pretend this is going away like they just told him when he was moved up to the presidents spot "well your days are numbered here no matter what happens so here is more money for how ever long you last go get'em" and sent him out there to do more stupid shit

who in the fuck will they get as even an interim president after this dumb fuck and if they can't get one what will they do until shit is cleared up and they can try and find a new president

they might have to go with the "well we do not have an interim president, but the VP of some bullshit will handle day to day operations until this is settled with an increase in pay" or they might have to go to that organization of retired university presidents and administrations that has people that will come in short term to clear up fuckups until you can get a new administration (where north Texas state got V. Lane Rawlins from and if you are not familiar with that V. Lane was a figure head that was asleep at the wheel while north Texas state finalized the theft of tens of millions of state dollars and while the dallas based system fucked over the main Denton campus to the benefit of dallas proper system entities)

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26 minutes ago, ButtFumble said:

they might have to go with the "well we do not have an interim president, but the VP of some bullshit will handle day to day operations until this is settled with an increase in pay" or they might have to go to that organization of retired university presidents and administrations that has people that will come in short term to clear up fuckups until you can get a new administration (where north Texas state got V. Lane Rawlins from and if you are not familiar with that V. Lane was a figure head that was asleep at the wheel while north Texas state finalized the theft of tens of millions of state dollars and while the dallas based system fucked over the main Denton campus to the benefit of dallas proper system entities)

They already did that in the time between LA SImon resigning and Engler being appointed, and that VP of some bullshit was then appointed the interim AD. IMO that interim title could just be a long term thing, as I can't imagine who would want the AD job under an interim President and a BOT that is being tone-deaf and battered in the media.

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15 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

They already did that in the time between LA SImon resigning and Engler being appointed, and that VP of some bullshit was then appointed the interim AD. IMO that interim title could just be a long term thing, as I can't imagine who would want the AD job under an interim President and a BOT that is being tone-deaf and battered in the media.

 

so the reward for being the next man up is they shuffle you off to some other position for a while so the smoke from your fuckups can clear and they shuffle you back to a more fitting position like the one you left....probably bumping pay each time and you keep that pay rate even if you go back to faculty or maybe you are at retirement age and your state retirement explodes in value based on your having a major bump in pay the last three years of employment

don't worry though tuition hikes got this (and some state tax dollars for the pension)

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Wetzel rips them a new one:

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The Larry Nassar scandal has been so horrific and so horrible that new shock and outrage didn’t seem possible. Then Kaylee Lorincz stepped to a podium at a Michigan State Board of Trustees meeting on Friday and told a story that ought to lead to a sweeping out of university leadership.

Lorincz is 18. When she was 13, Nassar, then a doctor in the Michigan State College of Osteopathic Medicine, began sexually abusing her after she came to him as a patient.

She said she and her mother were recently on campus to sign up to speak at Friday’s board meeting when they ran into MSU interim president John Engler. Lorincz asked if she could meet with him because she had found many of his comments since assuming office in late January “hurtful.”

“My hope was if he actually met a survivor he would be more empathetic,” Lorincz said.

Engler agreed to the impromptu meeting, but rather than listen, Lorincz says, she was told not much could be discussed until civil litigation against the school is complete. Lorincz is one of nearly 200 women suing the university.

If this was MSU’s opinion, and on a legal basis it had merit, then Engler never should have met with Lorincz in the first place. Such a meeting exposed Michigan State to considerable liability in a case they already have considerable liability. Instead they did meet and Engler had something to say.

“Mr. Engler then looked directly at me and asked, ‘Right now, if I wrote you a check for $250,000, would you take it?” Lorincz said.

There were gasps and shouts from the audience of the Board meeting. Lorincz wasn’t with her attorney at the time and the meeting, she said, wasn’t about settling a lawsuit. Engler, sitting directly in front of Lorincz as she spoke at the board meeting on Friday, didn’t dispute her allegation.

(On a side note, a check for $250,000 is a ridiculous offer in this case. Victims in the somewhat-similar Jerry Sandusky scandal received an average of about $3 million from Penn State. It is possible MSU’s culpability here is actually greater than Penn State’s.)

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Mostly though, it was stupid on Engler’s part. Either don’t meet with Lorincz or make sure her lawyer is present before discussing lowball payoffs. This is abject failure by a CEO.

Engler is the former three-term governor of Michigan and the way he’s conducted himself since taking the interim job in January is not to gently manage a highly sensitive and troubling scandal. Rather, he’s used the opportunity to engage in some kind of hardball political fight, for old-time’s sake. He likes to pit sides against each other. He likes to stir things up in the media.

It’s why he was never a fit for the job and shouldn’t hold it for an hour longer.

“When I explained that it’s not about the money for me and that I just want to help, he said, ‘Well, give me a number,'” Lorincz said.

Give me a number?

“He also said that he met with Rachael Denhollander [the first of Nassar’s victims to come forward publicly] and that she gave him a number,” Lorincz said.

“Give me a number” would be inappropriate but more problematic is that when Lorincz and her mother contacted Denhollander later, Denhollander denied ever meeting with Engler, let alone engaging in settlement negotiations. Denhollander, in a statement to reporter Kate Wells, backed this story up, calling Engler’s assertion “a bald-faced lie.”

Lorincz wasn’t done.

“Then President Engler started saying how sad it was that hundreds of good osteopathic doctors at MSU are being judged by one bad doctor,” Lorincz said. “My mom interrupted and said, ‘Well, what about former Dean William Strampel, wasn’t he just arrested?’ (Strampel, Nassar’s boss, was arrested on four counts, including a sexual assault of his own.)

“President Engler rolled his eyes and tried to fluff it off and said, ‘Oh, that was no big deal, it was just a slap on the butt,'” Lorincz said. “My mom and I were just so shocked.”

 

This was now something out of a Hollywood movie. Could Engler have really said such a thing? Could he have really rolled his eyes?

Well, Engler sat there, however, and disputed nothing. Earlier in Lorincz’s speech he cut her off when she inaccurately called another person in the meeting Engler’s lawyer. On this, however, he was silent. Engler did not make an immediate public comment or defense at any time and did not make himself available to the media after.

Engler instead went and huddled with his MSU team before, hours later, issuing a brief statement that declared, “our memories and interpretations of the March 28 meeting are different. I am sorry if anything said during the meeting was misunderstood.”

A MSU spokeswoman who said she was at the Lorincz-Engler meeting told the Lansing State Journal the $250,000 figure wasn’t a direct settlement offer but part of a “philosophical discussion.”

Why in the world would John Engler think Kaylee Lorincz was a good partner for a philosophical discussion about civil litigation?

This is all par for the course with Engler, who since taking the job has struck nearly every wrong chord.

Earlier Friday, he had to express “regret” that the school released confidential information about a MSU student who in a separate lawsuit is alleging rape by three men’s basketball players in 2015. Engler noted the school “provided an unnecessary amount of detail … which has been perceived by some as violating privacy expectations.”

He’s also stated that Nassar payouts would fall to students and taxpayers, something he alluded to again Friday when he proposed a nearly three-percent tuition increase. He’s tried to battle the media. Upon getting the job, he endorsed the current attorney general in his race for governor. That’s the same AG who is investigating MSU, albeit months or even years after he should have.

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None of this has done much to move Michigan State or the community forward.

Neither did Friday’s meeting when Lorincz was trying to get through her statement in the allotted three minutes. As she detailed the worst of Engler’s alleged behavior, she was, quite incredibly, told to stop talking … by no less than John Engler.

“Kaylee, your time is up,” Engler said. “Your time is up.”

Time’s up? It was said without irony or awareness. This is what John Engler wanted to say to Kaylee Lorincz, who as an injured 13-year-old came to MSU to see a MSU doctor for treatment and wound up repeatedly raped?

Time’s up? That was his first thought? That’s how he thought to help Michigan State? This is who MSU wants as its leader?

Lorincz and her family have been front and center on this case, attending even rudimentary Nassar hearing. She, like so many others, has carried herself as an inspirational hero far beyond her years, not some shattered victim.

If nothing else, Engler should have known this was not a woman to be combative with. She is small, petite and youthful. She is also fierce, smart and confident. Whatever power he thinks he has (or once had as governor) is meaningless at this point.

He was going to lose this fight. He will every time against Kaylee Lorincz.

“Let her speak, let her speak,” the crowd began chanting.

Kaylee decided her time was not up.

“I’m not don’t yet.”

“You are out of time, I’m sorry,” Engler said.

Lorincz barreled through.

“President Engler, you wanted to talk about money,” Lorincz said. “I wanted to talk about helping and healing. You tried to make us feel like we were the problem and MSU was the victim because of the civil suits. This is how it works. When you protect and promote a sexual predator and foster a culture of lies and cover-ups, you are responsible.”

Engler kept trying to interrupted her.

“I have like four sentences left,” she pleaded.

“Finish your four sentences,” she was told. “You are done.”

“You are so rude,” someone shouted from the crowd.

“If you could turn back the hands of time and take Larry Nassar’s fingers out my 13-year-old vagina we wouldn’t be here today,” Lorincz said. “The fact is you can’t … You are the ones who care about the money, and I just want my life back. Now I am done. Thank you.”

The room erupted in applause. Engler tried to continue the meeting.

In January, Lou Anna K. Simon was forced into resignation because she was incapable of handling the Nassar fallout. Somehow, someway, John Engler has proven even worse at the job.

If Friday’s meeting isn’t the last thing he does for that school, every one of the many right-minded alums, professors, staff members and students ought to storm the place.

Someone’s time is up and it sure isn’t Kaylee Lorincz.

 

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On 3/27/2018 at 11:38 AM, Wally Fairway said:

There is more to Strampels arrest story - the Detroit New, the other local fish wrap is reporting 4th degree sexual misconduct (not sure what that is) and that porn and videos of Nassar treatments were found on his computer.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/26/william-strampel-arrest-larry-nassar-msu/33310095/

It should be noted that a year ago there were hundreds of videos on youtube that showed Nassar performing various diagnostics and treatments. IMO this was all part of his cover that he used to hide his sexual assaults.

Never understood why someone would have porn on their work computer.  Are you going to crank it in the office?

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Wetzel rips them a new one:

The Larry Nassar scandal has been so horrific and so horrible that new shock and outrage didn’t seem possible. Then Kaylee Lorincz stepped to a podium at a Michigan State Board of Trustees meeting on Friday and told a story that ought to lead to a sweeping out of university leadership.

Lorincz is 18. When she was 13, Nassar, then a doctor in the Michigan State College of Osteopathic Medicine, began sexually abusing her after she came to him as a patient.

She said she and her mother were recently on campus to sign up to speak at Friday’s board meeting when they ran into MSU interim president John Engler. Lorincz asked if she could meet with him because she had found many of his comments since assuming office in late January “hurtful.”

“My hope was if he actually met a survivor he would be more empathetic,” Lorincz said.

Engler agreed to the impromptu meeting, but rather than listen, Lorincz says, she was told not much could be discussed until civil litigation against the school is complete. Lorincz is one of nearly 200 women suing the university.

If this was MSU’s opinion, and on a legal basis it had merit, then Engler never should have met with Lorincz in the first place. Such a meeting exposed Michigan State to considerable liability in a case they already have considerable liability. Instead they did meet and Engler had something to say.

“Mr. Engler then looked directly at me and asked, ‘Right now, if I wrote you a check for $250,000, would you take it?” Lorincz said.

There were gasps and shouts from the audience of the Board meeting. Lorincz wasn’t with her attorney at the time and the meeting, she said, wasn’t about settling a lawsuit. Engler, sitting directly in front of Lorincz as she spoke at the board meeting on Friday, didn’t dispute her allegation.

(On a side note, a check for $250,000 is a ridiculous offer in this case. Victims in the somewhat-similar Jerry Sandusky scandal received an average of about $3 million from Penn State. It is possible MSU’s culpability here is actually greater than Penn State’s.)

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Mostly though, it was stupid on Engler’s part. Either don’t meet with Lorincz or make sure her lawyer is present before discussing lowball payoffs. This is abject failure by a CEO.

Engler is the former three-term governor of Michigan and the way he’s conducted himself since taking the interim job in January is not to gently manage a highly sensitive and troubling scandal. Rather, he’s used the opportunity to engage in some kind of hardball political fight, for old-time’s sake. He likes to pit sides against each other. He likes to stir things up in the media.

It’s why he was never a fit for the job and shouldn’t hold it for an hour longer.

“When I explained that it’s not about the money for me and that I just want to help, he said, ‘Well, give me a number,'” Lorincz said.

Give me a number?

“He also said that he met with Rachael Denhollander [the first of Nassar’s victims to come forward publicly] and that she gave him a number,” Lorincz said.

“Give me a number” would be inappropriate but more problematic is that when Lorincz and her mother contacted Denhollander later, Denhollander denied ever meeting with Engler, let alone engaging in settlement negotiations. Denhollander, in a statement to reporter Kate Wells, backed this story up, calling Engler’s assertion “a bald-faced lie.”

Lorincz wasn’t done.

“Then President Engler started saying how sad it was that hundreds of good osteopathic doctors at MSU are being judged by one bad doctor,” Lorincz said. “My mom interrupted and said, ‘Well, what about former Dean William Strampel, wasn’t he just arrested?’ (Strampel, Nassar’s boss, was arrested on four counts, including a sexual assault of his own.)

“President Engler rolled his eyes and tried to fluff it off and said, ‘Oh, that was no big deal, it was just a slap on the butt,'” Lorincz said. “My mom and I were just so shocked.”

 

This was now something out of a Hollywood movie. Could Engler have really said such a thing? Could he have really rolled his eyes?

Well, Engler sat there, however, and disputed nothing. Earlier in Lorincz’s speech he cut her off when she inaccurately called another person in the meeting Engler’s lawyer. On this, however, he was silent. Engler did not make an immediate public comment or defense at any time and did not make himself available to the media after.

Engler instead went and huddled with his MSU team before, hours later, issuing a brief statement that declared, “our memories and interpretations of the March 28 meeting are different. I am sorry if anything said during the meeting was misunderstood.”

A MSU spokeswoman who said she was at the Lorincz-Engler meeting told the Lansing State Journal the $250,000 figure wasn’t a direct settlement offer but part of a “philosophical discussion.”

Why in the world would John Engler think Kaylee Lorincz was a good partner for a philosophical discussion about civil litigation?

This is all par for the course with Engler, who since taking the job has struck nearly every wrong chord.

Earlier Friday, he had to express “regret” that the school released confidential information about a MSU student who in a separate lawsuit is alleging rape by three men’s basketball players in 2015. Engler noted the school “provided an unnecessary amount of detail … which has been perceived by some as violating privacy expectations.”

He’s also stated that Nassar payouts would fall to students and taxpayers, something he alluded to again Friday when he proposed a nearly three-percent tuition increase. He’s tried to battle the media. Upon getting the job, he endorsed the current attorney general in his race for governor. That’s the same AG who is investigating MSU, albeit months or even years after he should have.

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None of this has done much to move Michigan State or the community forward.

Neither did Friday’s meeting when Lorincz was trying to get through her statement in the allotted three minutes. As she detailed the worst of Engler’s alleged behavior, she was, quite incredibly, told to stop talking … by no less than John Engler.

“Kaylee, your time is up,” Engler said. “Your time is up.”

Time’s up? It was said without irony or awareness. This is what John Engler wanted to say to Kaylee Lorincz, who as an injured 13-year-old came to MSU to see a MSU doctor for treatment and wound up repeatedly raped?

Time’s up? That was his first thought? That’s how he thought to help Michigan State? This is who MSU wants as its leader?

Lorincz and her family have been front and center on this case, attending even rudimentary Nassar hearing. She, like so many others, has carried herself as an inspirational hero far beyond her years, not some shattered victim.

If nothing else, Engler should have known this was not a woman to be combative with. She is small, petite and youthful. She is also fierce, smart and confident. Whatever power he thinks he has (or once had as governor) is meaningless at this point.

He was going to lose this fight. He will every time against Kaylee Lorincz.

“Let her speak, let her speak,” the crowd began chanting.

Kaylee decided her time was not up.

“I’m not don’t yet.”

“You are out of time, I’m sorry,” Engler said.

Lorincz barreled through.

“President Engler, you wanted to talk about money,” Lorincz said. “I wanted to talk about helping and healing. You tried to make us feel like we were the problem and MSU was the victim because of the civil suits. This is how it works. When you protect and promote a sexual predator and foster a culture of lies and cover-ups, you are responsible.”

Engler kept trying to interrupted her.

“I have like four sentences left,” she pleaded.

“Finish your four sentences,” she was told. “You are done.”

“You are so rude,” someone shouted from the crowd.

“If you could turn back the hands of time and take Larry Nassar’s fingers out my 13-year-old vagina we wouldn’t be here today,” Lorincz said. “The fact is you can’t … You are the ones who care about the money, and I just want my life back. Now I am done. Thank you.”

The room erupted in applause. Engler tried to continue the meeting.

In January, Lou Anna K. Simon was forced into resignation because she was incapable of handling the Nassar fallout. Somehow, someway, John Engler has proven even worse at the job.

If Friday’s meeting isn’t the last thing he does for that school, every one of the many right-minded alums, professors, staff members and students ought to storm the place.

Someone’s time is up and it sure isn’t Kaylee Lorincz.

 

The depravity of these institutions and their leaders continues to make my jaw drop. MSU. PSU. Baylor. The institutions are beyond redemption.

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11 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Never understood why someone would have porn on their work computer.  Are you going to crank it in the office?

Is that wrong? Should I not have done that?

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11 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Never understood why someone would have porn on their work computer.  Are you going to crank it in the office?

Haha!  Your office doesn't have a door!

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I'm trying to tune it out to be honest. I'm so just exhausted by it all. 

I think they need to settle as soon as fucking possible and get Engler out. 

The Trustees aren't going anywhere unless they step down or the Governor decides he can remove them, which is a stretch. He's the only one with the authority to do it. 

Sadly, I think the best guy to run the place at current is on the BoT and thus he's tainted and would never be considered for anything. He was a sitting board member during the Nassar ordeal and part of the crew that appointed Engler. But there is only one person in any prominent position there who is consistently saying and trying to do the right thing, and it's trustee Brian Mosallam. Check his Twitter account. Guy held a town hall by himself that none of the other members had enough balls to show themselves at. He took it from the angry mob. He didn't fight back. He listened, and stood through it. That's what Engler should be doing. Settle the damn thing. Get new leadership in and move on. 

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It's crimes like these where I wish they would bring back the use of the stocks.


We’re deceptively too civil for that, but there’s no doubt that shit works. A lot of chicken shit criminals have no problem with the prospect of a bed, hot meals, and thug life camaraderie in prison.

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2 hours ago, JimmyHoffa said:

FOR FUCK SAKES CLEAN HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

MSU spokeswoman Emily Guerrant was in the meeting with Engler. In a conversation with Lisa Lorincz in the crowded board room after the meeting Friday, Guerrant said her interpretation had been that Engler wasn't directly offering a settlement but engaging in a “philosophical discussion” about what amount would be acceptable. 

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3 hours ago, JimmyHoffa said:

FOR FUCK SAKES CLEAN HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Jesus.

Tapdancing.

Christ.

 

They need to fire everyone above the rank of janitor.  Just to be safe.  What a fucking pit of evil.

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Never understood why someone would have porn on their work computer.  Are you going to crank it in the office?


If it’s on the home computer, his wife or daughters might find it.

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Unbefuckinglievable:

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The motion filed Wednesday by a special prosecutor appointed by Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette does not contain any new charges, but it details allegations from two unnamed witnesses.

 

One of them said she was a Central Michigan University student in 2002 when Strampel hired her as an exam model. She did 10 sessions, with the dean performing breast, pelvic and anal exams in front of a small group of med students.

She stopped taking the $100-per-hour gigs after Strampel, during a post-class dinner, told her he had been "turned on" and physically aroused during the exam, prosecutors said.

The second witness said she applied to get into Strampel's college but didn't have high enough test scores. While discussing her chances of being admitted, he suggested she apply for the modeling job, she told authorities.

Strampel then took her to a private room and performed a breast and vaginal exam himself, with no student present, the motion alleges. During a later exam with one student present, Strampel made "inappropriate" remarks and said he could let her into the school with substandard scores, she said.

 

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1 hour ago, JimmyHoffa said:

Whoops...........

 

 

1 hour ago, Parliament said:

Jesus, guys.

ETA:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/msu-dean-who-was-larry-nassar-s-boss-hit-new-n869161

He hired "models" to let him perv on them.

So as bad as it is, Strampel is still a professor at MSU; because they are going through the hearing process to revoke his tenure.
While I understand the benefits of tenure, what in the hell is going on when there has been votes of no confidence for the Interim President and the BOT by the students and faculty and yet they have this uphill fight to fire this guy.

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On 4/14/2018 at 10:42 PM, Baboontyme said:

Sadly, I think the best guy to run the place at current is on the BoT and thus he's tainted and would never be considered for anything. He was a sitting board member during the Nassar ordeal and part of the crew that appointed Engler. But there is only one person in any prominent position there who is consistently saying and trying to do the right thing, and it's trustee Brian Mosallam. Check his Twitter account. Guy held a town hall by himself that none of the other members had enough balls to show themselves at. He took it from the angry mob. He didn't fight back. He listened, and stood through it. That's what Engler should be doing. Settle the damn thing. Get new leadership in and move on. 

Couple of decent reads here if you're interested. Mosallam (my opinion) appears to be getting stonewalled with the other trustees in actually, you know, doing the right thing. So he went public with an 8 page report on changing University culture. https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/05/08/brian-mosallam-msu-trustee-sexual-assault-larry-nassar-reforms/590152002/

This led to the media seeking out dipshit asshole trustee Joel Ferguson for comment, who ripped Mosallam and then said he was going to play golf, to which Mosallam responded that Turd Ferguson was exactly part of the problem and that he should go play golf permanently. Fun!

There are some opinions, though I think mostly of the insular PSU sort that Mosallam is seeking to raise his profile and that he should have kept this internal to the Board to discuss. My .02 is when you have people on the board like Turd Ferguson and Mitch Lyons , good luck with that. 

The other article is about resigned President Simon and how despite her many accomplishments, her leadership style helped create a top down, Executive type of culture. https://www.chronicle.com/article/How-a-Transformational/243369?cid=wsinglestory_hp_1

Edited by Baboontyme

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The "acting" general counsel for MSU has resigned, after reports that she was part of a 2005 meeting with Dean Strampel about his inappropriate behavior and she was also aware of the 2014 Nassar investigation and reported neither to the BOT.

In all fairness - they did put a letter into Dean Strampel's personnel file - SMDH

Seriously, this is a case study in institutional lack of control. One that was not seen by those at the highest levels of the University administration nor by the BOT. Who were, seemingly, more worried about protecting the brand and not having bad news in the headlines.
That strategy backfired, has cost some their positions and will likely cost many more their representing the school as Trustees.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/10/michigan-state-university-william-strampel/590146002/

Edited by Wally Fairway
typoing correctioning

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8 minutes ago, Baboontyme said:

That's a pretty decent chunk of change.

Was it worth it, MSU?

Every other admin in the world -- look at this.  That's just the DIRECT FINANCIAL COST of being cover-up shitheels.  Never mind the indirect financial costs of reduced enrollment, reduced giving, shattered reputation, etc.  Oh, and you know, the indirect social cost of choosing to protect fucking EVIL.  That's bad.  So, total cost: $500 million direct, maybe another $500 million indirect, and YOUR SOUL.

Don't cover up for evil.  Just don't.  Ever.

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