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52 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

How many votes did this cost Kamala Harris?

That’s unknowable, but it’s representative of how distant the progressive political class is from actual people and how they see themselves. And if you think they people don’t hear progressive class discourse you’re wrong. 
I third-hand know a guy in the RGV who volunteered for Bill Clinton back in the day and was the involved in the farm workers movement. 
in 2024 he had two bumper stickers on his truck: 

1) “My Pronouns are Mexi/Can”

2) MAGA

Republicans didn’t take that guy. Democrats lost him. And if your reaction  is “good riddance,” then get used to losing and living with the consequences. 

55 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Unfortunately, any bill that transitions this country away from employer provided health care is going nowhere. 

Yep. 
 

46 minutes ago, troph said:

I’m clearly in “one of the groups”

You’re a member of a marginalized group, but you’re not a representative of “The Groups,” meaning the complex of political non-profits that presume to speak for you and assert the power to withdraw or apply your vote and support.  
And look, some of The Groups are great! But some are just grifters. 
 

 

53 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I cannot believe that there are still people in 2025 who think "LatinX," a term used even less widely than "CRT," ever got traction at any time.

Then you need to step out of your bubble. Are you saying it wasn’t part of the progressive discourse, or that people in South Texas aren’t aware of national political language?

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Cancel culture was created by democrats and lead to further alienating average voters 

Truly one of the silliest things I’ve ever read. Bravo.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

. That how you wind up with Democratic politicians in South Texas calling people “LatinX,” among so many other things. 
 


This didn’t happen.

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4 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Ain't nobody talking to you bitch

Yeah cause cancel culture/me too movement definitely didn’t alienate white males or males in general. 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yeah cause cancel culture/me too movement definitely didn’t alienate white males or males in general. 

jack off please GIF

Go be a pussy somewhere else, nobody gives a fuck

Posted
2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Are you saying it wasn’t part of the progressive discourse, or that people in South Texas aren’t aware of national political language?

What you said was that people switched parties in South Texas because of people using "LatinX."

To believe that is to believe that South Texans are both extremely online and reactionary. I'm sorry but you can't cherrypick a few annoying blue-haired SJWs from twitter and call them "national political language." Definitely not in 2024, when Kamala Harris was campaigning with Liz Cheney, mocking Trump for killing the Jim Lankford Border Wall legislation, and kicking Palestinians out of the DNC.

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5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

And this isn’t great, bob

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

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Go be a pussy somewhere else, nobody gives a fuck

You’re the exact reason the above is happening. Sad part is the party is filled with people just like you. 

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I saw it in person with my eyes, but OK

And I've seen people argue for cutting programs they themselves are on because the programs also help the wrong kinds of people. So what?

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

I cannot believe that there are still people in 2025 who think "LatinX," a term used even less widely than "CRT," ever got traction at any time. Nobody switched party affiliation over "LatinX." Whoever told you otherwise is fucking with you, and laughing at you behind your back.

I like you, but I’m going to have to jump all over this one.  If we’re going to try to make data based decisions then there’s non-partisan polling and survey data, both before the 2024 election and since, that Hispanics REALLY dislike LatinX as a descriptor.  
 

It’s a little less of a problem for younger voters, but it’s a self-own by the left and is easily swept up in the whole “it’s a party of woke white elites who don’t even know you” that’s alienating the working class.  

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44 minutes ago, immamac said:

I don't think that's why, I think it's because there's a complete lack of accountability or merit based anything. 

Look at Wells Fargo, why are they still allowed to be a bank? 

There is no accountability top to bottom it's way beyond politics and it is all the way deep deep in corporate culture.

Cancel culture is not one of accountability its one of outrage. 

Lack of accountability is a symptom. FUPM is the disease.

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1 minute ago, LCHorn said:

Hispanics REALLY dislike LatinX as a descriptor.  

Even if this wasn't completely exaggerated (if there's data, show it) that doesn't make it a slur, and it doesn't mean it had the power to push Hispanics to vote against their own interests. That's at best a comfortable lie, because the truth is more painful to the Democrats (and especially the overpaid consultants whose careers depend on the failed playbook never being thrown out).

The truth is that South Texas has been ruled by Democrats for decades, and those Democrats have completely and utterly failed their constituents. Not because Republican policies would've been better for them (that has never been true) but because the Democrats that South Texas sends to Austin and DC are weak, lazy, and totally out of touch. This is not something you can fix by adopting the "tough guy" anti-woke aesthetic. You can only fix it with politicians who have a spine and a competing vision.

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17 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I saw it in person with my eyes, but OK

You said Democratic politicians in the RGV were using "latinx." Now you're suggesting that the use of latinx by "The Groups" was the problem.  Did the first actually happen?

To the extent it was simply rhetoric from "The Groups," you're implicitly proposing an impossible solution (somehow get "The Groups" to achieve perfect party message discipline). I agree that certain organizations purporting to represent special interests have too much power and influence within the party, but that's a different problem and much more easily fixed than if the problem is that literally anything anyone who doesn't vote Republican says can be effectively weaponized against the Democratic party.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

literally anything anyone who doesn't vote Republican says can be effectively weaponized against the Democratic party.

Democrats hate white women with big boobs. It's a fact. Don't believe me, check out @killeverycishetwhiteman and tell me I'm wrong

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I’m from Victoria and spent a lot of time in Corpus as well as areas immediately south of San Antonio. It’s not RGV, but plenty of Hispanic men have joined the “I know you didn’t ask, but let me tell you my conservative opinions” club that white guys were exclusively members of for most my life. The dismissive hand-waving on the effect of pushing LatinX, albeit small in time led to a dam break and it is very real and very measurable now. 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

What you said was that people switched parties in South Texas because of people using "LatinX."

You silly thing I didn’t even imply that. Here’s what I said 

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Ezra Klein makes my ears bleed so any amount is too much, but he’s right about the way the various Washington and NY based groups in the Nonprofit/Think Tank Industrial complex have FAR too much influence on the thinking of staffers and politicians than they should based on the false premise that they actually represent the people they claim to, and a lot of them are just straight up grifters. That how you wind up with Democratic politicians in South Texas calling people “LatinX,” among so many other things. 

Hope that helps. 

31 minutes ago, safe sex said:

 So what?

Pancho said it didn’t happen and I’m saying I saw it happen.

24 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

Hispanics REALLY dislike LatinX as a descriptor.  

Sure, but Chainsaw implies above that they aren’t on the internet, so they don’t know about it. Latinx is our little secret!

15 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

You said Democratic politicians in the RGV were using "latinx." Now you're suggesting that the use of latinx by "The Groups" was the problem.  Did the first actually happen?

Because The Groups influence politicians to talk a certain way and promote certain things, and then they get out in the real world and the distance becomes apparent. That’s how it works. That’s why Democrats go around chanting litanies of magic words instead of addressing their potential constituents in a way that connects. 
By the way, I love it when people who don’t know if a thing happened or not argue with me about whether it matters. 

15 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

literally anything anyone who doesn't vote Republican says can be effectively weaponized against the Democratic party.

Sure, but this is not about what Republicans say about Democrats. This is about how Democrats present themselves. 

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

That’s why Democrats go around chanting litanies of magic words instead of addressing their potential constituents in a way that connects. 

Republicans do the exact same thing. 

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Bozo, very simple question: did any Democratic politicians in the RGV use "latinx"? 

It’s amazing that yall can’t see that it doesn’t have to be used specifically by a politician in a certain area to make a difference or be used as a weapon against democrats as a whole. 

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13 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Even if this wasn't completely exaggerated (if there's data, show it) that doesn't make it a slur, and it doesn't mean it had the power to push Hispanics to vote against their own interests. That's at best a comfortable lie, because the truth is more painful to the Democrats (and especially the overpaid consultants whose careers depend on the failed playbook never being thrown out).

The truth is that South Texas has been ruled by Democrats for decades, and those Democrats have completely and utterly failed their constituents. Not because Republican policies would've been better for them (that has never been true) but because the Democrats that South Texas sends to Austin and DC are weak, lazy, and totally out of touch. This is not something you can fix by adopting the "tough guy" anti-woke aesthetic. You can only fix it with politicians who have a spine and a competing vision.

Democratic leadership in this state is mostly symbolic.  When the state decides to overrule the voters will, steal from the Blue regions to pay for the Red regions, and remove their representation even further via gerrymandering there is little one can do legally to combat it.  Right now, in our fucking shithole state, lawmakers are being followed around by the Governor's gestapo detail.   On the national level we are watching the Biden economy get destroyed by Republicans, farmers again getting fucked over by their stupidity, and a national gestapo running around unchecked, while the republican party is strategizing how to rig the next election.   

An out of touch, lazy Democratic party member is still a better choice than any republican for any office.  A Democratic Party member that said they support Israel is better than any republican.   A Democratic party member that said they were against abortion is still better than any republican.   

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Posted
Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

It’s amazing that yall can’t see that it doesn’t have to be used specifically by a politician in a certain area to make a difference or be used as a weapon against democrats as a whole. 

Anything can be used as a rhetorical weapon. If the party that uses it wins, pundits and consultants think it worked. When the party loses, pundits and consultants think it didn't.

Rinse, repeat.

Posted
1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Anything can be used as a rhetorical weapon. If the party that uses it wins, pundits and consultants think it worked. When the party loses, pundits and consultants think it didn't.

Rinse, repeat.

Democrats don’t do well and/or know how to do it, period. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Democrats don’t do well and/or know how to do it, period. 

You must have missed the time the Democrats got a black guy elected president of the United States of America.

Twice.

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It’s amazing that yall can’t see that it doesn’t have to be used specifically by a politician in a certain area to make a difference or be used as a weapon against democrats as a whole. 

It's amazing that you manage to post here despite being functionally illiterate. 

Posted
13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Republicans have a snowflake problem. My god.

They have always been this way.  Republicans are always trying to prove how tough and not gay they are.  It always comes off as a weak.   It is why some of us can be comfortable getting a make-over by our little girls while my father and brother run out of the room scared a little girl was going to paint their nails.   

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It's amazing that you manage to post here despite being functionally illiterate. 

Yeah continue the typical democratic rhetoric of talking down to people. That surely will help the party and definitely not add to the elitist stigma that exist and prominently emerging. It will for sure help bring in average people!!!

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Yeah continue the typical democratic rhetoric of talking down to people. That surely will help the party and definitely not add to the elitist stigma that exist and prominently emerging. 

Republicans do the exact same thing.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Republicans do the exact same thing.

Except Republicans, regardless of their policies, are far more welcoming so long as you vote for them in their messages. It’s why they are quite literally taking the working class and average voters from democrats 

Posted
19 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Republicans do the exact same thing. 

The nature of the Republican voting coalition is completely different. 

18 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Bozo, very simple question: did any Democratic politicians in the RGV use "latinx"? 

Yes of course. There was even a Texas Young Democrats LatinX Caucus focused on getting the vote out in the RGV plus big cities. 
 

Meanwhile in the real world. 

 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Except Republicans, regardless of their policies, are far more welcoming so long as you vote for them in their messages. It’s why they are quite literally taking the working class and average voters from democrats 

They are not in any way more welcoming than Democrats. That's a load of horseshit.

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27 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Republicans have a snowflake problem. My god.

Snowflakes make up a big portion of the voting public.  They are drawn to the GQP, thus Republicans don't have a snowflake problem.  They have a snowflake advantage.

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Posted
1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

They are not in any way more welcoming than Democrats. That's a load of horseshit.

The perception definitely is more welcoming. Which in 2025 is all you need. A welcoming perception to secure vote. Where as the other side degrades people with differing opinions and makes them feel inferior. 

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The perception definitely is more welcoming. Which in 2025 is all you need. A welcoming perception to secure vote. Where as the other side degrades people with differing opinions and makes them feel inferior. 

Then why do more people identify as Democrats than Republicans?

And are we really calling racist, homophobic, and misogynistic views "differing opinions" now?

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9 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Except Republicans, regardless of their policies, are far more welcoming so long as you vote for them in their messages. It’s why they are quite literally taking the working class and average voters from democrats 

CSB: many years ago some local politicos thought I was considering a run for something. One of the local Republicans met with me, and when I reminded them I had a long and public history of voting and supporting Democratic stuff essentially the message was - we don’t care what you’ve done in the past and aren’t going to dictate any positions in the campaign. We only thing we ask is that you not criticize President Bush or the Governor. If you can handle that, we’ll help you with whatever you need to win. 

Then the local Democratic people came to see me. Their message was - you’re trying to skip the line, and that *may* be OK but you need to meet with this list of groups and clubs, and you better get your check book out and contribute to these people and these causes. Once you do that, we can revisit the topic. 
 

And that was for an office that had been held by a Republican! And the Republican who ended up running won.

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Posted
Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Why are democrats hemorrhaging voters and struggling to register new voters 

I have no idea if it matters in August of 2025. Check back on election night 2026.

Posted
40 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Even if this wasn't completely exaggerated (if there's data, show it) that doesn't make it a slur, and it doesn't mean it had the power to push Hispanics to vote against their own interests.

Let’s not exaggerate a voting group’s interest as all about any one particular issue.  I’m not sure why you’re so defensive over Latinx but you’re welcome to google pew research.  You can even have Gemini summarize the findings.  

 

17 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

If the party that uses it wins, pundits and consultants think it worked. When the party loses, pundits and consultants think it didn't.

I mean, that’s basically how we figured out everything that we think we know about how the universe and science works.  What’s your preferred method?

 

19 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Democrats don’t do well and/or know how to do it, period. 

I tend to wildly overuse this in conversation, but I think there’s an element of Billy Beane’s “my shit doesn’t work in the playoffs” applicable here.  It worked fine for the Dems until it didn’t.  
 

 

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27 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yeah continue the typical democratic rhetoric of talking down to people. That surely will help the party and definitely not add to the elitist stigma that exist and prominently emerging. It will for sure help bring in average people!!!

I only talk down to you because you've repeatedly demonstrated anything more would be a waste of time. 

Posted
19 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

. Where as the other side degrades people with differing opinions and makes them feel inferior. 

As to actual behaviors and policies to degrade and hurt people. Oy... what a world. 

Posted
1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Cancel culture was created by democrats and lead to further alienating average voters 

Ok, whatever you say Steve Bannon.

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BO&W and bozo are doing a weird "push all the Republican rhetoric as unimpeachable fact" bit. I have no doubt that the perception of using those terms was damaging, but I definitely didn't see it in regular use in my life and online time. 

I did see a whole shitload of republicans pushing that as a grievance to motivate their base though. So it's a bummer to see people so uncritically repeating the anecdote as if it's reflective of reality 

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