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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Oh good. This is the part where we act like human life doesn't have intrinsic value and that the people who think that it does are zealots. What a world. 

Folks smarter than you concluded that breath gave life, and, further, that conclusion was God. I get a narcissist would think their own beliefs inviolate. And, so, fuck you.

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1 minute ago, Willfully Horn said:

Folks smarter than you concluded that breath gave life, and, further, that conclusion was God. I get a narcissist would think their own beliefs inviolate. And, so, fuck you.

Tell us more about religious zealots. In this house we believe in science. 

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3 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Folks smarter than you concluded that breath gave life, and, further, that conclusion was God. I get a narcissist would think their own beliefs inviolate. And, so, fuck you.

Luke 1 41-44. 

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Tell us more about religious zealots. In this house we believe in science. 

Conception?

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1 minute ago, workswithseed said:

Conception?

Very basic biological sciences life cycle shit. 

But that is not really the issue. It is refreshingly honest when posters like Willfully say this quiet parts out loud. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Very basic biological sciences life cycle shit. 

But that is not really the issue. It is refreshingly honest when posters like Willfully say this quiet parts out loud. 

Funny how a Catholic still is given life.

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Oh, I guess don't cheat, or your husband will make you not have children again. Not so much that you are pregnant. 

Tough to cheat when you are dead. You and the other man’s child.

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On 11/26/2024 at 2:48 PM, Gap03 said:

I mean, it's just gambling with your medical license and freedom on a law written and likely to be interpreted by the same group of religious zealots - I'm sure the odds are in the doctors' favor, right?  Ana is one disingenuous bastard if he says he'd have the balls to get anywhere near the fucking line here in Texas, which, as others have pointed out, is entirely by design.  All in the name of plausible deniability for the Christian Taliban when it comes to the entirely foreseeable results of their POS law.

Exactly.  I got an idea.  Lets pass a law that says unsurance companies and those that work for them must make coverage decisions that are “medically ethical and in the interests of preserving life” or some other vague criteria under criminal punishment of murder if those standards are not met.  I am sure everyone here will support this proposal  for the sake of the “sanctity of human life and basic himan rights”.  

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On 11/26/2024 at 2:12 PM, Anastasis said:

honestly don't think that miscarriage management should be a gray area

Then you should vote dem and encourage everyone you know to do the same until the nuts that voted for this insanity are run out of the legislature 

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10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Oh good. This is the part where we act like human life doesn't have intrinsic value and that the people who think that it does are zealots. What a world. 

Human life absolutely has inherent value. Human rights sometimes come into conflict, directly impacting human life. Reasonable people can find  resolution for those instances. But right now, in 2024 in the most medically advanced country in history, women are dying after routine miscarriages 

 

What a world indeed

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Posted
10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

That's just a completely false framing. But tell us more about disingenuity.

~7k abortions among individuals on their 3rd go around in Texas alone 2021. Tell me more about barbarism and a society that embraces it. 

I am sure that the N=3, and the people like me that would like to see that reduced to N=0, are really repulsive to you. 

And you are fine with innocent women dying to reduce that number. 

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I’m so mad I can’t see straight at bullshit like this. Many of us here are high achievers with wives who are the same. We put off having children, and older couples have more trouble conceiving and have a higher risk complicated pregnancies.
 

Many of us have posted about pregnancies that ended in miscarriages that required D&C. I can’t imagine the added stress of pregnancy in Texas in the current environment for a young healthy woman (and partner), much less a couple in their 30’s trying to conceive. 
 

My youngest daughter and several of her friends are getting IUDs, not because they are sexually active or plan to be in the near future, but in case they get raped

 

What a world right?

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

And you are fine with innocent women dying to reduce that number. 

I think the most charitable take of Ana’s view on this is that he sees them all as whores who deserve that risk, either because they had sex knowing the risk of pregnancy or for those who were raped, because Eve ate the forbidden fruit and now all women are condemned by her.

Of course he’ll pretend that he doesn’t believe anything like that, he’s a special snowflake who holds very artisanal archconservative religious beliefs that don’t align with those of other archconservative religious believers on anything that might be the immediate topic of discussion. He’s like a woke inquisitor, basically.

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12 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Human life absolutely has inherent value. Human rights sometimes come into conflict, directly impacting human life. Reasonable people can find  resolution for those instances. But right now, in 2024 in the most medically advanced country in history, women are dying after routine miscarriages 

 

What a world indeed

What is amazing is someone who works for a health insurance company, who’s very livelihood is based on the idea of assigning a monetary value on life and life decisions, is lecturing us about the inherent (?priceless)value of human life.  The people that work for these companies (rightfully imo) decide it is not right to spend a million dollars to prolong a 90yr old life a few days.  They make these decisions comfortably with no threat of criminal prosecution or loss of livelihood. So do fertilized human cells have value?  Sure.  Are they priceless?  Well no otherwise we would be spending trillions to prevent the thousands of daily miscarriages.  Are those fertilized human cells “worth” more than a fully functioning adult woman or a medical professional trying to save that adult? Most would logically say no and rightfully expect our laws to unequivocally reflect that.

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16 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

And you are fine with innocent women dying to reduce that number. 

You know what is actually taking place in these cases, sawbonz. You've posted it yourself up thread. It's medical malpractice hiding behind a smoke screen. The law doesn't differentiate between misoprostol and D&C in these cases. 

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46 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Then you should vote dem and encourage everyone you know to do the same

25 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I think the most charitable take of Ana’s view on this is that he sees them all as whores who deserve that risk

 

You guys have absolutely zero interest in fixing, or even rationally discussing, the flaws that exist in the Texas laws.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You guys have absolutely zero interest in fixing, or even rationally discussing, the flaws that exist in the Texas laws.

There's nothing to fix, if you're a republican. All the bad health outcomes for women are a feature, not a bug. None of what's happening is unexpected, and was predicted when the legislation was passed. 

You didn't give a shit then, and you don't give a shit now. 

 

Go enjoy your victory over women's health with WWS, your peer here on surly 

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40 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

My youngest daughter and several of her friends are getting IUDs, not because they are sexually active or plan to be in the near future, but in case they get raped

Those will probably be banned before long. 

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On this day of giving the thanks, I’m thankful that I don’t have any disingenuous narcissists in my life that spout pseudo-intellectual drivel like they breathe air. Thanks be given.

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Posted
40 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

 

You guys have absolutely zero interest in fixing, or even rationally discussing, the flaws that exist in the Texas laws.

No you don’t 

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Posted
45 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You know what is actually taking place in these cases, sawbonz. You've posted it yourself up thread. It's medical malpractice hiding behind a smoke screen. The law doesn't differentiate between misoprostol and D&C in these cases. 

These cases? I posted about one instance where I think malpractice could have. But for the draconian laws in place it never would have gotten to the point of hemorrhage and sepsis

 

 

I hope you have daughters 

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33 minutes ago, royiv said:

On this day of giving the thanks, I’m thankful that I don’t have any disingenuous narcissists in my life that spout pseudo-intellectual drivel like they breathe air. Thanks be given.

You forgot "and literally crush the bones of children with cancer and others that are downtrodden." Just get it all out. 

And you guys wonder why y'all lose the important elections. 

 

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27 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I do. She's awesome. We made a cake together using a surly recipe from the food board. 

Good. Then you can feel the pain of her anxiety about being a teenager and then young woman in this new reality 

 

Assuming she feels comfortable sharing those fears w you. 

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Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Good. Then you can feel the pain of her anxiety about being a teenager and then young woman in this new reality 

Assuming she feels comfortable sharing those fears w you. 

I am sorry that your daughter has an overwhelming sense of anxiety about being raped, to the point that it requires medical intervention. 

There is a reason that mental health outcomes among our girls are poor, esp among liberals. There is a lot of projection playing out.

There are other pathways to empower our daughters. 

But we would probably agree that the Texas laws are not helping. 

 

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am sorry that your daughter has an overwhelming sense of anxiety about being raped, to the point that it requires medical intervention. 

There are other pathways to empower our daughters. 

There is a reason that mental health outcomes among our girls are poor, esp among liberals. There is a lot of projection playing out. 

But we would probably agree that the Texas laws are not helping. 

 

Your daughter does as well, if she’s a teenager. Unless you physically keep her from other girls, she knows a girl who has been sexually assaulted or who has an older sister who has. Assuming your daughter is 7th grade or older, I am sorry she doesn’t feel comfortable enough to talk with you about it. Hopefully she confides in your wife, or the parents of a close friend 

 

ETA interesting you try to throw mental health into this. Some of the most anxious of her friend group have the most right wing parents. And those parents have no idea 

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Posted
Just now, Sawbonz said:

Your daughter does as well, if she’s a teenager. 

Hold on, I am going to go ask my wife to ask her what her anxiety level is with regard to getting raped and impregnated. I hope this doesn't get weird. I'll be right back. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Hold on, I am going to go ask my wife to ask her what her anxiety level is with regard to getting raped and impregnated. I hope this doesn't get weird. I'll be right back. 

Please do

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7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Hold on, I am going to go ask my wife to ask her what her anxiety level is with regard to getting raped and impregnated. I hope this doesn't get weird. I'll be right back. 

 

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I mean y'all do understand why your girls in particular have more mental health problems compared to conservatives, right? 

 

Just now, Anastasis said:

I couldn't even get it past the wife as first level. She asked me wtf was wrong with my brain. 

You are going buckwild on Thanksgiving lol. 

I guess you do feel a little guilty somewhere for voting the way you did. I don't understand someone being this unhinged before noon on a holiday when it's not a gameday

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Posted
1 hour ago, royiv said:

On this day of giving the thanks, I’m thankful that I don’t have any disingenuous narcissists in my life that spout pseudo-intellectual drivel like they breathe air. Thanks be given.

I’m thankful for the ignore function. More people should use it.

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I mean y'all do understand why your girls in particular have more mental health problems compared to conservatives, right? 

Joining the Johnny sack “conservatives don’t need therapy” party I see.

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Posted (edited)
26 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I mean y'all do understand why your girls in particular have more mental health problems compared to conservatives, right? 

Oh, fuck you all the way home.  Asshole.  You are reprehensible.

I sincerely hope the best for your daughter.  She's gonna need it.

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1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

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I mean come on. Posters here think that they can say nasty shit to me without me coming back at them. Bunch of clowns. Enjoy your pie and SSRIs. 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

 

I mean come on. Posters here think that they can say nasty shit to me without me coming back at them. Bunch of clowns. Enjoy your pie and SSRIs. 

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Posted (edited)
38 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I mean y'all do understand why your girls in particular have more mental health problems compared to conservatives, right? 

They actually talk w their parents about their concerns 

 

 

36 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I couldn't even get it past the wife as first level. She asked me wtf was wrong with my brain. 

She knows it’s pointless

 

or your daughter doesn’t talk to her either. Very common sadly

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